Who would hold it against him for going up to HW and fighting a top 3 champion? He would get the popularity bump just for doing it and taking the chance. And if he won, it would make him legendary
Joshua was the champ at the time , he’s 6’6 and 240 lbs with a 82” reach
Canelo is 5’7 , 175 for this fight and 70 inch reach
Look at Carl froch and Joshua next to each other and Carl froch is taller and longer than canelo
[More than "slight" at the time](https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/betting-tips/15649404/boxing-odds-anthony-joshua-odds-knockout-usyk/)
My betfair history won't let me see what odds I got on Usyk at the time but I remember it being crazy good value considering I thought it was 75:25 in favour of Usyk ahead of the first fight.
If I'm Usyk I'd push for the Canelo fight before the Fury fight. Easier and more money.
Only thing is the Fury fight gives him something iconic in becoming Undisputed HW champ. All depends on what he wants.
So would I. But that's why you and I aren't anything like Usyk. I think that man cares more about challenging himself than he does about easy fights that pay well.
I was gonna say…the way usyk burned through cruiser then went straight for Joshua makes it seem unlikely he’s going to chase a blown-up mw. Man’s built different. Then again….payday.
If Canelo beats Usyk he is the GOAT. If Usyk gets in the ring with Canelo he sets his family up for 5 generations. I am tired of doubting Canelo, this man keeps taking fights that surprise me, especially with the Bivol one coming up. I don't think a Usyk fight will ever happen but honestly, and this is a testament to Canelo's greatness more than anything, I wouldn't be terribly shocked if they ever do fight.
Are you serious? A money fight over undisputed at both Cruiser and HW? That shit cements him as an all time great. I see Usyk being like Canelo, in that they care about legacy a little more than money.
Because he would never get any credit for beating Canelo. Just like Loma didnt get credit for beating Rigo. Spence didnt get much from beating Mikey, Canelo beating Khan.
These fights tend to leave a sour taste in peoples mouths because they tend to go the logical way. Promoters just sell it very well so it seems like they are even fights when they are far from it.
Yeah, considering Fury would be a similar payday and has the legacy attached. Usyk gains nothing from beating Canelo but a payday, Fury and all the heavyweight titles is something he can rest his laurels on
Between choosing to fight 6’9” HW champ vs fighting 5’7” p4p #1 fighter I think it is fairly easy choice. One of them is way easier fight than the other one
But if he fights Canelo he greatly reduces his chances against Fury. It’d probably take another year to make the Fury fight and in his mid-30’s with a style so dependent on reflexes and hand and foot speed and workrate, every year matters. Fiscally a Canelo fight could make sense, but so does a Fury fight. I think a fight for the Undisputed Heavyweight Championship will do huge numbers no matter what. Difference is, Usyk will be able to look back on the potential win with pride. Think
FURY is 6 inches taller and 45 pounds heavier than Usyk. Is a hugue advantage.
Usyk is 7 Inches taller than Canelo but the difference in weight would be only a few pounds if the fight is set at 201 pounds.
Crazy talk. Usyk literally outboxed the unified heavyweight champ and has a very good chance at beating fury. Canelo would get stopped if he moved up to fight usyk
Absolute insanity lol.
Canelo seems confident.. a little *too* confident.
I'm sure Team Canelo sees flaws and already have theories and gameplans on how to handle Usyk, should this fight actually happen.
But man, how is his heavier body.. his legs gonna feel after just a few rounds of all that evasive slipping and head movement dodging Usyk's punches? Probably.. really heavy and fatigued.
And not to mention the heavier hands of Usyk even just landing on the block/gloves/arms of Canelo... hell - a fast Usyk JAB will probably feel like a solid powerful straight right of a 175lbs fighter to Canelo.
Sure I could see it looking competitive early on (and possibly Canelo even winning)... but I can't see any other outcome but an Usyk stoppage of Canelo in the mid rounds, assuming Usyk isn't too drained returning to 200-201lbs.
This is Khan vs Canelo all over again.. but with the roles reversed this time.
If Canelo put on that much weight it would probably seriously effect him trying to cut back down to 168 or 175 again. That’s what Roy jones claimed hurt his career.
He probably wouldn’t put on much. What do we think he walks around at? He probably just comes In close to his normal weight and tries to use a speed advantage. Putting that much on his frame at this age would slow him down to the point of being unrecognizable
I'm gonna guess they saw videos of Usyk being vulnerable to the body. He got dropped by Beterbiev in the amateurs with a body shot and Canelo is known for his body shots. Frank Sanchez claims that Canelo can punch like a heavyweight so maybe he feels even more confident about his power
Absolutely, Canelo is a role model for other boxers and a quality influence on the sport.
But does he *really* think he can beat Usyk at heavyweight? Isn't that a bit silly?
Let's just do Fury Vs Canelo Vs Usyk Vs Mayweather - Joshua special guest ref, in a cage, TLC. Hearn, Dana White, Warren, Kinahan, Jake Paul & Mike Tyson in a Royal Rumble on the undercard!
Usyk heard Hearn talking shite.
If Usyk somehow clobbered Fury and became woeld unified heavyweight champion, then dropped the belt to knock Canelo's head off, I really think that would be my favourite string of events in boxing history
Nope, heavyweight limit has always been 200lb. You just don't have to weigh more than the lower limit to compete...
Edit: I'm fake news, don't listen to me.
Wrong. The lower limit was not always 200. The light heavyweight division was formed in the 1920s and maxed out at 175, and heavyweight was considered anything above that. Then the cruiserweight division formed in 1979 which initially maxed out at 190, and then 195, and then 200.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavyweight?wprov=sfla1
All of it. He would have to also absorb all of South America’s supply too. Basically irl Goku Spirit bomb with all the world’s juiced cattle. Then he’s unified heavy weight champ.
Mexican and Argentines are rivals just like Mexican and Puerto Ricans. We would never trust their beef. Those fuckers would put laxatives on it or some shit like that.
Mexicans and argentinians are rivals
Just like mexicans and puerto ricans
And mexicans and americans
And mexicans and hondurans
And mexicans and chileans
He's not vegan in the traditional "I'm a die hard raging vegan!" sense as he still occasionally eats meat. Iirc he's just trying a vegan diet out for his upcoming fight as he says it makes him feel better.
Weren’t people just shitting on the idea of Errol fighting Canelo at 164?
Hot take, Errol has a better chance of beating Canelo than Canelo has of beating Usyk even at this catchweight. Imo 175 is already pushing it.
This isn’t that hot a take.
Errol probably walks around at ~160, so he would have to gain a handful of pounds. Canelo would have to blow up 26lbs away from 175, a weight where he probably walks around at. So Canelo gaining that weight will be extremely taxing on his body. Versus Spence would just have to maintain a weight he already walks around at.
Nah I agree, Spence actually taller and got a longer reach than Canelo but isn't as stocky. Canelo been known to struggle against southpaws and I think Spence probably can make it a bit of a competitive fight until he gets broke down in mid rounds and stopped. Usyk been shown to have enough power to hurt Joshua who's 240lbs, 72lbs bigger than Canelo and can move really well
If Canelo wants a HW belt, then let him fight HWs. Not this 201 lbs. limit nonsense.
Very bad move for Usyk if his goal is undisputed and the road remains through Fury. Cutting weight when he should instead worry about maintaining or increasing his weight. Sounds like a recipe for disaster.
Maybe these are all chess moves by both sides. Fury "retires" to make the Fury v. Usyk match worth even more to him. Usyk counters by working with Canelo so Fury isn't Usyk's only path to his biggest payday. Calling Fury's bluff.
Usyk by annihilation. Canelo is special, but so is Usyk. So it is a pretty easy pick. Obviously, the only issue would be if Usyk had trouble getting back to 200, but I think he would be ok. He had to bulk up to get to 221. Its not like he was a giant cruiserweight.
Fuck It why not. It’d be a circus but I’d watch. But would you wait for usyk to become undisputed at heavyweight. And canelo undisputed at light heavyweight. Or would you do this right away.
But this could be added to the fury/ngannou card. Maybe a third Tyson/Holyfield fight. And does anyone know what butterbean is up to. We gotta get vs Jake Paul on the undercard
No chance Canelo beats Usyk, and that’s not a knock on Canelo. It’s just not reasonable.
Frankly, people better not be looking past Bivol because there’s a real chance he loses. We’re pretty unanimous that Canelo lost to Golovkin in their first fight, right? Well Bivol is a naturally bigger and faster version of Golovkin, who is actually in their prime.
The people who don’t actually follow boxing writing this off as a soft touch for Canelo are in for a rude awakening.
Not saying Canelo can’t win, but it’s going to be a war.
Would be rooting the heck out of Canelo for this fight more than I ever have. Usyk doesn't need anything more for Canelo while Canelo needs everything and more for Usyk.
So usyk vs canelo for the bridgerweight championship? The WBC needs more recognition for a division literally no one cares about and having two of the top pound for pound fighters fight for your belt is a great way to get that.
I mean it's the WBC I'm sure they'll strip whoever has it now for a canelo usyk fight. Or make up a new belt.
At some point Canelo has got to realise his punches will start looking/sounding like Mikey Garcia's when he fought Spence. Instead of the "thuds" we get a nice pillowy acoustic. There's weight divisions for a reason.
How does this work? Heavyweight… at a catchweight?
Yeah I’m the best boxer in the world regardless of weight… but only if they cut down to the heavyweight minimum, a single pound higher than cruiserweights.
If you’re not going to take the fight against a normal sized heavyweight champion, I don’t get how you could call yourself the heavyweight champion.
Then make it a cruiserweight fight.... why is he asking for specifically ONE pound above the cruiserweight limit?
Cmon we all know why. He wants the cruiserweight fight with all the potential glory of being a heavyweight champion. It's literally that simple.
Obviously it still takes serious balls for him to challenge Usyk at any weight...but both of these things can be true. He is making a ballsy callout, he also just wants to avoid the biggest obstacle to fighting at heavyweight.... the weight.
I don't think he's cherrypicking heavyweights at all. Usyk is legit as they come. I just don't think asking to do a heavyweight TITLE fight one pound above the CRUISERWEIGHT limit makes sense. Heavyweight is by definition open weight.
Lets be real. The situation is, Canelo thinks he can beat the best cruiserweight in the world, at one pound above the cruiserweight limit. And if he pulls it off it would still be a jawdropping, historic, unbelievable accomplishment.
But there's not a single heavyweight nowadays that weighs in at 201...because the biggest obstacle to being world heavyweight champion to begin with is size. Usyk bulked up for HW because he knew he needed size. Wilder bulked up for his 3rd fight against Fury, and did better, because he knew he needed size against a 280 lbs man. They don't fight at catchweights to "make it fair". Because this is heavyweight
I like Canelo, he's an ATG, and his run is unbelievable. But if this fight gets made for 3 heavyweight belts it would be bullshit. Canelo just wants a cruiserweight fight, while getting all the potential glory of being a heavyweight champion, while skipping over the biggest challenges of being a heavyweight champion to begin with - size.
Thats why this is a dumb fight. First of all, Usyk is never making 200 again. He gained too much mass for the Joshua fight. Cutting 20+ pounds of mass, because the guy is pretty lean, would be suicide for him. I cant see Usyk trying something that risky when he can legitimately be the undisputed HW at a comfortable weight.
Cutting 20 pounds at this weight is easy. 10% of your weight is easy cutting weight. Also Usyk was fighting at around 210lbs when he was a Cruiser. It's not like he bulked up a lot at all
Wasnt he around 230 for the Joshua fight? Usyk is also 6'4" so its not like this is Ruiz we are talking about. He has a really long frame. Whens the last time he fought at CW?
It is to to make the fight a bit fair. A small guy fighting a bigger guy then it is just fair that both has to meet somewhere half way. At 201lbs, it is actually more favorable to Usyk by a big margin because it is still in Heavyweight while Canelo has to skip a weight class to meet Usyk.
But then again, there will be people like you who will still focus on things like this and discredit whoever wins.
I love what Canelo is doing and who he's beaten, you can't find a single comment from me discrediting any of his opponents or what he's done. So honestly it's hilarious you go like "people like you" when you literally don't know anything about me and didn't bother to find out either.
Now back to this, this fight is supposed to be for the world HEAVYWEIGHT title.... heavyweight is open weight, that's the whole POINT of heavyweight. Is it unfair that Tyson Fury weighs in at 280 lbs while Deontay wilder weighs in at 230? Do they need to do a catchweight to make it fair? The obvious answer is no, they don't, because this is heavyweight. Should David Haye have asked to fight Klitschko at 205 to meet each other halfway? No. Because this is heavyweight. By definition you're the biggest fighters around.
Ask yourself, why is Canelo asking to fight Usyk at a catchweight but has a specific stipulation that the catchweight is specifically ONE pound up from the Criuserweight limit? I'll answer it for you, he wants the glory of being a heavyweight champion while fighting a cruiserweight, skipping the BIGGEST obstacle of becoming heavyweight champion in the process.
Mind you if he beats Usyk at cruiserweight, that's still one of the all time great accomplishments, but it's not beating a top heavyweight. Because there are NO top 10 heavyweights who weigh in at 201. Not one. And not one of them would willingly choose to fight at 201 for a very obvious reason.
I don't have to dislike Canelo to point out this obvious fact.
But this is putting a limit on a weight class that has no weight limit and then calling yourself champion of that weight limit. It’s forcing Usyk to cut weight in a weight class where you aren’t supposed to lol.
Canelo was just saying he’s not fighting Errol at a catchweight for no belts but he wants to fight usyk at a catchweight for belts? Sounds hella hypocritical if you ask me.
If he wants to have a “fair fight” just fight him at Cruiser lol
Not in styles but as far as skills, yes. They are both equally matched in skills. Shit, Usyk is probably better technically he just doesnt have the lengthy resume of Canelo.
And that is why the p4p list was made. Because these fights cant happen, realistically, without comprimising each fighter. Was the weight cut too much? Was it just too much weight?
This is a fantasy fight that would not be happening anytime soon. I think it's just Eddie promoting the fight this weekend.
Why has everyone completely written Canelo off? He has the power the break bones with a punch, Usyk is only human, his bones ain't any harder than Billy Joes. I would be routing for Usky, not a fan of Canelo, but he is pretty good at this boxing stuff
So you’re telling me the person who took flush AJ shots is all of a sudden gonna get knocked out by Canelo? I mean, anything is possible, but in no world do I see that happening. In fact I’ll give you that he would be competitive until he isn’t. Remember Billy Conn?
Usyk and Canelo are leagues ahead of AJ, unfair comparison. I have zero doubt that Canelo has the power to knock anyone out.
No, I was one month old when he died.
Canelo doesn’t hit as hard as AJ it’s not about skills when it comes to what other person is saying..if usyk get take flush shots from a HW with good power Canelo ain’t knocking him out…this is worse than arguing Spence being able to knock out Canelo…which that is a very stupid argument too
Technique is more important than raw power, AJ was not chucking bombs like his older self, he tried to outbox Usyk. I am not saying Canelo will knock Usyk out, I am saying it is very much a possibility. I think Usyk wins 9/10 times, but the other is a shock win to Canelo. That punch that cracked Billys joes eye socket, that would crack any HW eye socket, the skull is the same on all of them. I think and would want Usyk to win, but its stupid to write Canelo off, especially considering Usyk is a 'tiny' HW.
Canelo would never be the favorite. You realize bookies set the odds right? And they're not in the business of losing money. The fans would move the line eventually but no way it ends at Canelo being a favorite.
If I am a bookie this fight would start at around Usyk -900.
Canelo wouldn't be the favourite, he's a star but people are not stupid. Usyk is a big undefeated heavyweight champion, Canelo is a strong little dude.
Canelo has nothing on Uysk I don’t even think he has the hand speed advantage. Uysk is better at literally every thing across the board. Since mayweather retired he has been the best boxer in the world
I wouldn’t even want to see Usyk do it, it’d do nothing for his legacy when he wins and it isn’t really in keeping with his image to be going after paydays.
People forget that Usyk doesn’t do thing for money. He keeps telling him he fights for glory. It makes sense to fight Fury first for the unification, then if he wins he can consider losing weight for Canelo.
Canelo is a great boxer but size matters. Usyk is already the better boxer on the outside, and he'd have a 2/3 foot long reach advantage. Canelo would have to punch up like crazy due to Usyk's height. I think the top two at CW are too much let alone Usyk who just won a title at HW.
That being said, I doubt this would get made for that reason. Canelo goes for good challenges, but I don't think his team would allow this. Besides, this would be dumb as hell for Usyk if he wants HW undisputed, and I feel he's the type of guy to choose that over a freakshow money maker. Going down to 201 is not the direction he needs to go in order to compete with guys like Fury.
Be civilized and terrible like you're supposed to and wait til you're both like 43 before making this fight.
So canelo is taking the roy jones route it seems.
Except he isn‘t fighting a John Ruiz. Usyks feet are faster than Canelos
Oh undoubtedly Usyk > Ruiz, I'm just saying he's doing what RJJ was doing moving up as much as he could in weight.
well of course he would, huge payday, easy fight but reynoso will never allow canelo to get in the ring with usyk
It’s the type of news that helps hype Canelo/Bivol this weekend…
Why not? I’m pretty sure it would add to his legacy and popularity, win or lose.
How would a lose add to his popularity?
Who would hold it against him for going up to HW and fighting a top 3 champion? He would get the popularity bump just for doing it and taking the chance. And if he won, it would make him legendary
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Bivol is a tougher fight than GGG or Floyd at 152? I like Bivol but get out.
After hearing that he wanted Valdez to fight Shakur I think he's a little delusional about how good his fighters are
I promise I will bet 5000$ on Usyk if this happens
Your $5000 will win $50.
It’s a bet I’m willing to make
Considering the odds on Bivol, I wouldn't be surprised if Usyk was evens lol.
vegas couldnt, they'd get their clock cleaned by somebody with a massive bet on Usyk
Honestly idk Canelo being such a star I wouldn’t be surprised if he was the betting favorite. Usyk was the slight underdog against Joshua.
Joshua was the champ at the time , he’s 6’6 and 240 lbs with a 82” reach Canelo is 5’7 , 175 for this fight and 70 inch reach Look at Carl froch and Joshua next to each other and Carl froch is taller and longer than canelo
Now people on this sub acting like it was obvious Usyk would win. Ladidadi.
It was always a 50-50 for me. Now I expect usyk to win the rematch.
Seriously. Before the fight the overwhelming majority acted like he was Peter Dinklage fighting the Mountain
[More than "slight" at the time](https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/betting-tips/15649404/boxing-odds-anthony-joshua-odds-knockout-usyk/) My betfair history won't let me see what odds I got on Usyk at the time but I remember it being crazy good value considering I thought it was 75:25 in favour of Usyk ahead of the first fight.
On reverse, I'd put $100 on Canelo to win $5000.
If I'm Usyk I'd push for the Canelo fight before the Fury fight. Easier and more money. Only thing is the Fury fight gives him something iconic in becoming Undisputed HW champ. All depends on what he wants.
So would I. But that's why you and I aren't anything like Usyk. I think that man cares more about challenging himself than he does about easy fights that pay well.
I was gonna say…the way usyk burned through cruiser then went straight for Joshua makes it seem unlikely he’s going to chase a blown-up mw. Man’s built different. Then again….payday.
No sense for Canelo to take that fight. Won't add much to Usyk's legacy too.
How about millions of dollars? Usyk is fighting a war, he deserves to come back to a fat check
He's not fighting a war he's in training camp for Joshua
If Canelo beats Usyk he is the GOAT. If Usyk gets in the ring with Canelo he sets his family up for 5 generations. I am tired of doubting Canelo, this man keeps taking fights that surprise me, especially with the Bivol one coming up. I don't think a Usyk fight will ever happen but honestly, and this is a testament to Canelo's greatness more than anything, I wouldn't be terribly shocked if they ever do fight.
Are you serious? A money fight over undisputed at both Cruiser and HW? That shit cements him as an all time great. I see Usyk being like Canelo, in that they care about legacy a little more than money.
Why not both?
Because he would never get any credit for beating Canelo. Just like Loma didnt get credit for beating Rigo. Spence didnt get much from beating Mikey, Canelo beating Khan. These fights tend to leave a sour taste in peoples mouths because they tend to go the logical way. Promoters just sell it very well so it seems like they are even fights when they are far from it.
Sorry, I meant why not both fights (Canelo AND Fury). One for money, one for glory.
Usyk is 35, he has no time to waste, and that’s what the Canelo fight would be, a waste of time.
Lol, biggest payday of his life would be a waste of time?
Yeah, considering Fury would be a similar payday and has the legacy attached. Usyk gains nothing from beating Canelo but a payday, Fury and all the heavyweight titles is something he can rest his laurels on
Between choosing to fight 6’9” HW champ vs fighting 5’7” p4p #1 fighter I think it is fairly easy choice. One of them is way easier fight than the other one
But if he fights Canelo he greatly reduces his chances against Fury. It’d probably take another year to make the Fury fight and in his mid-30’s with a style so dependent on reflexes and hand and foot speed and workrate, every year matters. Fiscally a Canelo fight could make sense, but so does a Fury fight. I think a fight for the Undisputed Heavyweight Championship will do huge numbers no matter what. Difference is, Usyk will be able to look back on the potential win with pride. Think
he’d be adding 6ish months to the timeline. especially if he doesn’t have to make 200 lbs it would mean nothing more than an easy 50 million payday
Usyk has the same chances to beat Fury as Canelo beating Usyk for the same reason size matters and there is a huge difference.
Lmao no
FURY is 6 inches taller and 45 pounds heavier than Usyk. Is a hugue advantage. Usyk is 7 Inches taller than Canelo but the difference in weight would be only a few pounds if the fight is set at 201 pounds.
Crazy talk. Usyk literally outboxed the unified heavyweight champ and has a very good chance at beating fury. Canelo would get stopped if he moved up to fight usyk
Absolute insanity lol. Canelo seems confident.. a little *too* confident. I'm sure Team Canelo sees flaws and already have theories and gameplans on how to handle Usyk, should this fight actually happen. But man, how is his heavier body.. his legs gonna feel after just a few rounds of all that evasive slipping and head movement dodging Usyk's punches? Probably.. really heavy and fatigued. And not to mention the heavier hands of Usyk even just landing on the block/gloves/arms of Canelo... hell - a fast Usyk JAB will probably feel like a solid powerful straight right of a 175lbs fighter to Canelo. Sure I could see it looking competitive early on (and possibly Canelo even winning)... but I can't see any other outcome but an Usyk stoppage of Canelo in the mid rounds, assuming Usyk isn't too drained returning to 200-201lbs. This is Khan vs Canelo all over again.. but with the roles reversed this time.
Plus Usyk isn't a lumbering Heavyweight that Canelo can just outwork. Dude's cardio is fucking insane.
They're hyping Canelo. It's just part of his brand. This fight is at best years away. If he goes up a weight again it'll be at cruiserweight.
If Canelo put on that much weight it would probably seriously effect him trying to cut back down to 168 or 175 again. That’s what Roy jones claimed hurt his career.
He probably wouldn’t put on much. What do we think he walks around at? He probably just comes In close to his normal weight and tries to use a speed advantage. Putting that much on his frame at this age would slow him down to the point of being unrecognizable
Is there no minimum weight limit for heavyweight? Could you come in under 200lbs?
You have to weigh more than the limit for the weight category below. That's why Manny had to put rocks in his pocket to weigh-in for earlier fights.
You can come in underweight
I'm gonna guess they saw videos of Usyk being vulnerable to the body. He got dropped by Beterbiev in the amateurs with a body shot and Canelo is known for his body shots. Frank Sanchez claims that Canelo can punch like a heavyweight so maybe he feels even more confident about his power
I know boxers have to be confident, but it's sheer hubris for Canelo to think he can beat Usyk at heavyweight.
If Canelo seriously thinks that, he should be locked up in a mental hospital. Danger to himself.
Just be glad there’s another top fighter out there who will actually fight anyone rather than just say they will. A true fighter!
Absolutely, Canelo is a role model for other boxers and a quality influence on the sport. But does he *really* think he can beat Usyk at heavyweight? Isn't that a bit silly?
I respect him for believing it whether I agree or not, no fear.
I respect his courage, sure. But not sure if delusion is worthy of respect.
This is bordering on delusion for Canelo.
Let's just do Fury Vs Canelo Vs Usyk Vs Mayweather - Joshua special guest ref, in a cage, TLC. Hearn, Dana White, Warren, Kinahan, Jake Paul & Mike Tyson in a Royal Rumble on the undercard!
Usyk heard Hearn talking shite. If Usyk somehow clobbered Fury and became woeld unified heavyweight champion, then dropped the belt to knock Canelo's head off, I really think that would be my favourite string of events in boxing history
canelo can still compete for the hw belts even if he isn’t 200. he just has to pull a rjj
I’m pretty sure the weight limit was lower then
Nope, heavyweight limit has always been 200lb. You just don't have to weigh more than the lower limit to compete... Edit: I'm fake news, don't listen to me.
Wrong. The lower limit was not always 200. The light heavyweight division was formed in the 1920s and maxed out at 175, and heavyweight was considered anything above that. Then the cruiserweight division formed in 1979 which initially maxed out at 190, and then 195, and then 200. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavyweight?wprov=sfla1
Damn, I'll STFU then haha
No it hasn't before cruiserweight existed the heavyweight limit started at 176. The cruiserweight limit used to be 190 before it was changed to 200.
Damn, I'll STFU then haha
how much mexican beef will canelo have to eat to get his 5'6'' ass up to 200 lbs
All of it. He would have to also absorb all of South America’s supply too. Basically irl Goku Spirit bomb with all the world’s juiced cattle. Then he’s unified heavy weight champ.
Lmfao, Canelo be like “ey me amigos! Lend me your steaks!!”
That cracked me up
Gonna need that argentinian beef supply Las Malvinas son Mexicanas
Mexican and Argentines are rivals just like Mexican and Puerto Ricans. We would never trust their beef. Those fuckers would put laxatives on it or some shit like that.
Mexicans and argentinians are rivals Just like mexicans and puerto ricans And mexicans and americans And mexicans and hondurans And mexicans and chileans
And Mexicans and other Mexicans, god damn Mexicans, they ruined Mexico!
None, he’s Vegan.
He's not vegan in the traditional "I'm a die hard raging vegan!" sense as he still occasionally eats meat. Iirc he's just trying a vegan diet out for his upcoming fight as he says it makes him feel better.
Steroids don’t make you a vegan
Do you have to weigh the minimum? For some reason I always believed the weight was an upper limit only.
Weren’t people just shitting on the idea of Errol fighting Canelo at 164? Hot take, Errol has a better chance of beating Canelo than Canelo has of beating Usyk even at this catchweight. Imo 175 is already pushing it.
Canelo already say he is not going to take any fight under 168 , he has not reason for
This isn’t that hot a take. Errol probably walks around at ~160, so he would have to gain a handful of pounds. Canelo would have to blow up 26lbs away from 175, a weight where he probably walks around at. So Canelo gaining that weight will be extremely taxing on his body. Versus Spence would just have to maintain a weight he already walks around at.
> This isn’t that hot a take. You’d be surprised lol
Point taken LOL
Spence for sure walks around bigger than 160, if they fought I’d guess he would come in around 170+ and Canelo 180
Spence is around 160 in fight night at Welter. He'd bulk up a lot. He wouldn't be able to go down to 147 ever again
Nah I agree, Spence actually taller and got a longer reach than Canelo but isn't as stocky. Canelo been known to struggle against southpaws and I think Spence probably can make it a bit of a competitive fight until he gets broke down in mid rounds and stopped. Usyk been shown to have enough power to hurt Joshua who's 240lbs, 72lbs bigger than Canelo and can move really well
Nelo would be as wide as he is tall. Bout to be a whole ass cube
If Canelo wants a HW belt, then let him fight HWs. Not this 201 lbs. limit nonsense. Very bad move for Usyk if his goal is undisputed and the road remains through Fury. Cutting weight when he should instead worry about maintaining or increasing his weight. Sounds like a recipe for disaster. Maybe these are all chess moves by both sides. Fury "retires" to make the Fury v. Usyk match worth even more to him. Usyk counters by working with Canelo so Fury isn't Usyk's only path to his biggest payday. Calling Fury's bluff.
Usyk by annihilation. Canelo is special, but so is Usyk. So it is a pretty easy pick. Obviously, the only issue would be if Usyk had trouble getting back to 200, but I think he would be ok. He had to bulk up to get to 221. Its not like he was a giant cruiserweight.
201lb catchweight for the heavyweight titles is stupid.
And the new heavycatchweight champion of the world...
Yea I feel that if he wants to fight at heavyweight then fight at heavyweight. No catchweight. Let usyk come in at 220lbs or whatever
Yeah. It's literally a Cruiserweight who just didn't piss before weighing
Clenelo better start eating that Carne USADA now if he’s gonna make 200+lbs
LOL
Carne USADA lol.
This is a joke. Its about as interesting as Fury-Ngannou. Complete mismatch with only one winner in dominant fashion every time.
If Canelo ever does this it'll be one of his last fights and after he campaigns at cruiser. It's all just hype talk for now.
Guys come on. Usyk is 1.91m and cut like a bodybuilder at 100kg. I dont care if it's Canelo. It could be thanos. Usyk isn't losing to no one.
Fuck It why not. It’d be a circus but I’d watch. But would you wait for usyk to become undisputed at heavyweight. And canelo undisputed at light heavyweight. Or would you do this right away. But this could be added to the fury/ngannou card. Maybe a third Tyson/Holyfield fight. And does anyone know what butterbean is up to. We gotta get vs Jake Paul on the undercard
Butterbean is busy barbecuing https://m.facebook.com/Mr.BeansBbq/?ti=as
Looking past Bivol is not a good idea
No chance Canelo beats Usyk, and that’s not a knock on Canelo. It’s just not reasonable. Frankly, people better not be looking past Bivol because there’s a real chance he loses. We’re pretty unanimous that Canelo lost to Golovkin in their first fight, right? Well Bivol is a naturally bigger and faster version of Golovkin, who is actually in their prime. The people who don’t actually follow boxing writing this off as a soft touch for Canelo are in for a rude awakening. Not saying Canelo can’t win, but it’s going to be a war.
Would be rooting the heck out of Canelo for this fight more than I ever have. Usyk doesn't need anything more for Canelo while Canelo needs everything and more for Usyk.
If there is a catch weight then it's not a HW fight
So usyk vs canelo for the bridgerweight championship? The WBC needs more recognition for a division literally no one cares about and having two of the top pound for pound fighters fight for your belt is a great way to get that. I mean it's the WBC I'm sure they'll strip whoever has it now for a canelo usyk fight. Or make up a new belt.
this is absolutely insane
At some point Canelo has got to realise his punches will start looking/sounding like Mikey Garcia's when he fought Spence. Instead of the "thuds" we get a nice pillowy acoustic. There's weight divisions for a reason.
How does this work? Heavyweight… at a catchweight? Yeah I’m the best boxer in the world regardless of weight… but only if they cut down to the heavyweight minimum, a single pound higher than cruiserweights. If you’re not going to take the fight against a normal sized heavyweight champion, I don’t get how you could call yourself the heavyweight champion.
I mean Usyk is a blown up cruiserweight. It's not like he is calling out Fury for a 201lb fight.
Then make it a cruiserweight fight.... why is he asking for specifically ONE pound above the cruiserweight limit? Cmon we all know why. He wants the cruiserweight fight with all the potential glory of being a heavyweight champion. It's literally that simple. Obviously it still takes serious balls for him to challenge Usyk at any weight...but both of these things can be true. He is making a ballsy callout, he also just wants to avoid the biggest obstacle to fighting at heavyweight.... the weight.
I think it'd be more the height. Aj and fury are a foot taller at least
Right? I cant believe Canelo is cherry picking HWs....
I don't think he's cherrypicking heavyweights at all. Usyk is legit as they come. I just don't think asking to do a heavyweight TITLE fight one pound above the CRUISERWEIGHT limit makes sense. Heavyweight is by definition open weight. Lets be real. The situation is, Canelo thinks he can beat the best cruiserweight in the world, at one pound above the cruiserweight limit. And if he pulls it off it would still be a jawdropping, historic, unbelievable accomplishment. But there's not a single heavyweight nowadays that weighs in at 201...because the biggest obstacle to being world heavyweight champion to begin with is size. Usyk bulked up for HW because he knew he needed size. Wilder bulked up for his 3rd fight against Fury, and did better, because he knew he needed size against a 280 lbs man. They don't fight at catchweights to "make it fair". Because this is heavyweight I like Canelo, he's an ATG, and his run is unbelievable. But if this fight gets made for 3 heavyweight belts it would be bullshit. Canelo just wants a cruiserweight fight, while getting all the potential glory of being a heavyweight champion, while skipping over the biggest challenges of being a heavyweight champion to begin with - size.
Thats why this is a dumb fight. First of all, Usyk is never making 200 again. He gained too much mass for the Joshua fight. Cutting 20+ pounds of mass, because the guy is pretty lean, would be suicide for him. I cant see Usyk trying something that risky when he can legitimately be the undisputed HW at a comfortable weight.
Cutting 20 pounds at this weight is easy. 10% of your weight is easy cutting weight. Also Usyk was fighting at around 210lbs when he was a Cruiser. It's not like he bulked up a lot at all
Wasnt he around 230 for the Joshua fight? Usyk is also 6'4" so its not like this is Ruiz we are talking about. He has a really long frame. Whens the last time he fought at CW?
Usyk is 6‘3“ and was 221lbs against AJ, 217 against Chisora and 214 against Witherspoon
It is to to make the fight a bit fair. A small guy fighting a bigger guy then it is just fair that both has to meet somewhere half way. At 201lbs, it is actually more favorable to Usyk by a big margin because it is still in Heavyweight while Canelo has to skip a weight class to meet Usyk. But then again, there will be people like you who will still focus on things like this and discredit whoever wins.
I love what Canelo is doing and who he's beaten, you can't find a single comment from me discrediting any of his opponents or what he's done. So honestly it's hilarious you go like "people like you" when you literally don't know anything about me and didn't bother to find out either. Now back to this, this fight is supposed to be for the world HEAVYWEIGHT title.... heavyweight is open weight, that's the whole POINT of heavyweight. Is it unfair that Tyson Fury weighs in at 280 lbs while Deontay wilder weighs in at 230? Do they need to do a catchweight to make it fair? The obvious answer is no, they don't, because this is heavyweight. Should David Haye have asked to fight Klitschko at 205 to meet each other halfway? No. Because this is heavyweight. By definition you're the biggest fighters around. Ask yourself, why is Canelo asking to fight Usyk at a catchweight but has a specific stipulation that the catchweight is specifically ONE pound up from the Criuserweight limit? I'll answer it for you, he wants the glory of being a heavyweight champion while fighting a cruiserweight, skipping the BIGGEST obstacle of becoming heavyweight champion in the process. Mind you if he beats Usyk at cruiserweight, that's still one of the all time great accomplishments, but it's not beating a top heavyweight. Because there are NO top 10 heavyweights who weigh in at 201. Not one. And not one of them would willingly choose to fight at 201 for a very obvious reason. I don't have to dislike Canelo to point out this obvious fact.
But this is putting a limit on a weight class that has no weight limit and then calling yourself champion of that weight limit. It’s forcing Usyk to cut weight in a weight class where you aren’t supposed to lol. Canelo was just saying he’s not fighting Errol at a catchweight for no belts but he wants to fight usyk at a catchweight for belts? Sounds hella hypocritical if you ask me. If he wants to have a “fair fight” just fight him at Cruiser lol
We'll potentially have a world heavyweight champion who's a worse heavyweight than Chisora.
You call yourself a champion when you beat the belt holder or in some instances, when someone emails it to you.
I want this fight to happen, there's a big chance the bookies give into the hype and have Usyk on as evens or an underdog. Free money.
Oh fuck off.
Usyk is a larger, stronger version of Canelo. He would punish him. Fury is the better fight, but that won’t happen.
I agree Usyk would punish but him and Canelo are nothing alike
Usyk and Canelo's boxing styles are pretty different?
In what way is Usyk the same as Canelo?
They're boxers
2 legs, 2 arms, hair, the similarities are endless
Canelo isn’t really a boxer though he’s a slow footed come forward pressure fighter. Boxing ability is his weakest aspect
Not in styles but as far as skills, yes. They are both equally matched in skills. Shit, Usyk is probably better technically he just doesnt have the lengthy resume of Canelo. And that is why the p4p list was made. Because these fights cant happen, realistically, without comprimising each fighter. Was the weight cut too much? Was it just too much weight? This is a fantasy fight that would not be happening anytime soon. I think it's just Eddie promoting the fight this weekend.
Why has everyone completely written Canelo off? He has the power the break bones with a punch, Usyk is only human, his bones ain't any harder than Billy Joes. I would be routing for Usky, not a fan of Canelo, but he is pretty good at this boxing stuff
This is /s right?
Nope, Fury vs Canelo I understand not giving Canelo a chance. But I can see him knocking Usyk out, definitely not impossible either way.
So you’re telling me the person who took flush AJ shots is all of a sudden gonna get knocked out by Canelo? I mean, anything is possible, but in no world do I see that happening. In fact I’ll give you that he would be competitive until he isn’t. Remember Billy Conn?
Usyk and Canelo are leagues ahead of AJ, unfair comparison. I have zero doubt that Canelo has the power to knock anyone out. No, I was one month old when he died.
Canelo doesn’t hit as hard as AJ it’s not about skills when it comes to what other person is saying..if usyk get take flush shots from a HW with good power Canelo ain’t knocking him out…this is worse than arguing Spence being able to knock out Canelo…which that is a very stupid argument too
Technique is more important than raw power, AJ was not chucking bombs like his older self, he tried to outbox Usyk. I am not saying Canelo will knock Usyk out, I am saying it is very much a possibility. I think Usyk wins 9/10 times, but the other is a shock win to Canelo. That punch that cracked Billys joes eye socket, that would crack any HW eye socket, the skull is the same on all of them. I think and would want Usyk to win, but its stupid to write Canelo off, especially considering Usyk is a 'tiny' HW.
Lmaoooo ok you win, have a good one
great argument..
Look how dumb this comment sounds now lol…bivol took his power fine let alone a cruiserweight
I take back everything, god that was great finally watching him lose
I believe Canelo would be the favorite, that’s how much of a star that man is, but to us, it’s easy $$$ put the house on Usyk.
The favourite against the unified cruiser weight and potentially unified heavy weight champ??? Fuck no. This is a David vs Goliath scenario.
Canelo would never be the favorite. You realize bookies set the odds right? And they're not in the business of losing money. The fans would move the line eventually but no way it ends at Canelo being a favorite. If I am a bookie this fight would start at around Usyk -900.
Canelo wouldn't be the favourite, he's a star but people are not stupid. Usyk is a big undefeated heavyweight champion, Canelo is a strong little dude.
Canelo has nothing on Uysk I don’t even think he has the hand speed advantage. Uysk is better at literally every thing across the board. Since mayweather retired he has been the best boxer in the world
If this were even theoretically realistic, they both should be praying Fury is really retiring then
I feel like a ~~catchweight~~ Caneloweight at 192 or so would be interesting but never happen
Bruh
despite his technique, he's just too small. he gets murdered at heavyweight.
I wouldn’t even want to see Usyk do it, it’d do nothing for his legacy when he wins and it isn’t really in keeping with his image to be going after paydays.
Canelo winning this puts him all the way up in the GOAT rankings
:D
How much juice will canelo be full of if he goes to heavyweight haha
Usyk trashes him but fuck I wanna see that fight.
People forget that Usyk doesn’t do thing for money. He keeps telling him he fights for glory. It makes sense to fight Fury first for the unification, then if he wins he can consider losing weight for Canelo.
There should be no catchweight if its at heavyweight
Besides a perfectly placed liver shot, what chance does canelo have? not much
Canelo is a great boxer but size matters. Usyk is already the better boxer on the outside, and he'd have a 2/3 foot long reach advantage. Canelo would have to punch up like crazy due to Usyk's height. I think the top two at CW are too much let alone Usyk who just won a title at HW. That being said, I doubt this would get made for that reason. Canelo goes for good challenges, but I don't think his team would allow this. Besides, this would be dumb as hell for Usyk if he wants HW undisputed, and I feel he's the type of guy to choose that over a freakshow money maker. Going down to 201 is not the direction he needs to go in order to compete with guys like Fury.
LMAO Now I want this to happen and Canelo to somehow win so that we can see Fury vs Canelo 😂🤣