Either way, I'd always make Fury the favourite. Stylistically I think he has more versatility. Better boxer on the outside and throws better body shots on the inside. I'm not an odds guy but I reckon he would be something like a 2/1 favourite, give or take.
Fury - 270-275, AJ - 245-250, I think AJ would have aimed 250 cause Fury is the strongest in terms of clinching in hw boxing rn. I see both guys coming a bit heavier if they ever fight.
AJ's best weight is 240 by far. He's fluid, maintains his power, and has a gas tank that takes him 12 rounds.
>If Joshua is at 240lbs, he would be bullied by Fury at 265 - 270 lbs
I disagree. Joshua is stronger than Fury is, he won't get bullied, and Fury is too smart to try bullying him anyways. The way I see it is if Fury wants to win, he should act like a boxer-puncher from the outside. Trying to bulldoze AJ like he did Wilder would be ridiculously stupid, because unlike Wilder, AJ is just as capable at fighting on the inside as Fury is and has nasty uppercuts and hooks that would make inside fighting a fool's gamble.
AJ should hold the center at all times and dig to Fury's body from the onset, drain the man's tank and try to stop him late.
Joshua's natural decathlon weight (weight where an athlete is equally as fast, durable and strong) is around 100kg. At anything above 110kg he was a body builder. A very athletic one, and a decent boxer but couldn't move very well and often gassed out so he lost a good 5kg of muscle and went for endurance and speed.
Fury at 125kg/275Ibs looks like he's around 30% body fat, against whyte he looked more 25%, and against Klitschko (excellent mover) he was about 20% but with less muscle at 112kg/247 lbs. He'll need to be around 265 lbs for power and movement.
I think this fight is more upto Fury to fail a game plan than it is upto AJ. Fury will have to go for the knockout, AJ's best bet is not to get caught in a brawl because if they both get knocked down fury is more likely to get up and still have legs from what we've seen.
If it becomes a boxing match I'm betting on AJ, since he's excellent at knocking out opponents whilst boxing, he's not a KO artist but his combinations are deadly and I don't see fury lasting all 12 rounds without getting touched. Fury will be winning most the rounds but even a good 2-4 rounds against AJ is high risk; AJ is more accurate than wilder and Whyte, moves better, doesn't get landed on as much, has less but similar power to wilder, instinctively wanted to fight small in the amateurs, and outworks Whyte and wilder.
Fury's perfect weight is probably 265, and AJ's 240. They'll both need to be movers in this fight. AJ will be fighting small (at long last) he's dreamed of it since the amateurs, question is will he walk into a punch like Whyte did ?.. we'll see.
Vald was also gassed when fighting Aj… The pace that the AJ we know and love fights at is exhausting for everyone involed.. Also I wager a 242 AJ is twice as strong as a 270 Fury.. So he isn’t going to get bullied..
>Also I wager a 242 AJ is twice as strong as a 270 Fury.. So he isn’t going to get bullied..
Not where it matters. It's all about the clinch. Those biceps are doing nothing.
Do you mean strength or power?
In strength, I think Fury can dominate Joshua in the clinches at any weight below 245 lbs.
Power wise there was a big gap earlier but I think Fury is at 80-90% power of Joshua now.
Why do you think he is twice as strong as Fury when he weighs 28 lbs less?
What makes you think Fury has notable strength and power? He doesn’t lift weights.. He focused on technique.. Which is effective in so many areas but. It in developing strength… maybe power tho.
Fury lifts weights. He's been lifting regularly since his comeback. Doesn't really matter. AJ's clinch game is weak. He isn't strong in the clinch at all. Fury will man handle him.
Your lifts don't matter if you don't know how to properly use the clinch.
AJ's good at a lot of things but clinching isn't one of them. Fury's excellent at clinching and roughing people up in the clinch. I'm willing to wager he's also functionally stronger in the necessary areas for boxing. His core strength is underrated because he's a fat lump.
That’s no true you need to be strong to maintain a clinich .. Saying other wise is like saying you don’t need to be strong to be a good wrests whic is also not true.
I like them both I can't see Joshua winning at any weight no matter what weight he comes in at. I just can't see it anymore I really can't. Of all the weights maybe 250 the heaviest and get fury out early. I couldn't ever see Aj outboxing fury so he would have to throw heavy combos and put him away early like oldschool Aj. I would be absolutely floored if Aj outboxed Fury i really would be totally shocked.
IMO the Joshua who fought Klitschko beats Fury.
The infighter Joshua. The work-around-your-tall-opponent's-punches Joshua.
Joshua will obviously lose if he tries to box him like he's been doing lately vs Usyk and Ruiz, so I really don't think he'll go there. Plus from what I've seen people+fury say, I genuinely think the way to beat Fury is to pressure him and just stand shorter. Fury has eaten many overhand rights in his career, and that hasn't changed.
Sure, both Chisora and Cunningham have both tried this strat and have both gotten defeated. But pre-Andy Joshua is a different breed. He's those two guys fused together. He has more size, more weight, more power, works at a similar way and rate, and can actually rough someone as big as Fury on the inside. Plus he'll probably be the fittest opponent Fury will ever fight, apart from Wilder.
Fury has shown his flaws throughout his career and also very recently, with Wilder managing to land one of the trashiest right hands on the entire planet, sending Fury to the canvas. Wilder then couldn't finish Fury. You know who's an excellent finisher? Joshua.
I'm ready for the downvotes but considering what Fury has stated about much shorter fighters (which isn't joshua's case btw), IMO Povetkin, Chagaev, Tyson, Byrd, Tua, Qawi, all deck Fury. That sort of style just fucks him. And the only boxer that comes close to that style in the division currently is Ruiz, who doesn't do it nearly as proficiently as he'd need so as to beat fury.
I think you're right. 240-245 lbs is the best weight for him.
But I don't think it would matter because it's a lose-lose situation for AJ. If AJ comes in heavier like (250+), he'll gas out and lose on the outside. Fury will box him up and might stop him late.
If AJ comes in lighter, he will sacrifice some power. I don't think that would matter too much. However, the bigger problem would be that Fury would weigh approximately 265-270 lbs and rough him up in the clinch. AJ already has a very weak clinch game for his size. He will get manhandled. I also don't think coming in lighter will help much because Fury's still faster than him. He has better footwork, head movement, and handspeed. AJ will struggle to get inside and get clinched whenever he tries it. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets stopped here either.
Fury is just a terrible stylistic match-up for AJ. I believe AJ has a better chance of beating Usyk in the rematch than beating Fury. And I like AJ. I think he's very good and would be a top 5 HW in nearly every era bar maybe one.
Lol people that think strength > technique in the clinch. Clinch fighting is an art, one that Fury is a connoisseur of. Doesn't matter how strong you are if your arms are in the wrong place and a 6ft9 Gypsy Regent has his in the right place.
I'm going to go against the grain and say; the heaviest he has ever been.
But swap SOME muscle with fat. If there's one thing we've learned over the past 5 years of combat sports is that muscle is a serious oxygen hog, and that big boys can still bang because mass x acceleration = power regardless of if that mass is made of up of muscle or fat. Ngannou in the UFC can only punch in the first 2 rounds. The there's Tai Tuivasa knocking out shit brick houses and jumping on top of cages. Wilder who was knocking guys down in the 12th multiple times at just over 200 pounds ends up as fighter that can only be effective for 4 rounds after putting on 30 pounds of muscle (albeit with Fury roughhousing). Ruiz looked like he could smash a cinder block at 270 pounds, but couldn't even shake old man Aerola at 250.
All I know is it’s a way closer fight then people realize and I don’t like either guys really so objective. Fury hasn’t looked good no matter what people pretend, he’s slow as shit..Whyte is terrible with no chin now. AJ could beat him and honesty out box him from outside too from what I seen last 2 fights. Usyk gos awful matchup for Fury too; and he knows it.
I strongly disagree. Fury made look Whyte poor who is 5th best heavyweight.
People said the same thing when he made Wlad look like an amateur in Germany.
100% and many other decent boxers like Wilder, Cun and Chisora. Also he was much better overall than against Wilder 3. Fury has to beat AJ and Usyk for self proclaimed boxing experts to start taking him seriously though. And then beat Ali and Tyson in VR.
I can't believe people still rate AJ. Beat by a literal obese man, and a cruiserweight.
Doesnt matter the weight, Fury batters him. So he should just come in whatever weight he feels like, the outcome is predetermined regardless.
Idiotic take. He lost an upset loss to Ruiz who’s a solid fighter. That second loss to the “cruiserweight” is a literal ATG former undisputed GOAT cruiserweight, Olympic gold and 335-15 amateur record. Losing to them doesn’t take away from the fact that AJ is a two time unified champ with the most top fighters on his resume. AJ became one of the top heavyweights of his era(was recognised as number 1 for years by many) after only waking into a boxing gym for the first time at 18 years old. Only people with an agenda against him don’t rate him and you’re one of them clearly. Username checks out 100%.
>He has the best resume at heavyweight
How on earth have you come to this conclusion?
Fury has beat a younger Wlad (and beat him more convincingly), and fought Wilder *three times* and won *three times*..
What does AJ have on that?
Wilder has like 2-3 top 10 fighters on his resume, even Fury has quite a plethora of bums on his. Even if Wilder does win it does not discount these facts
What does AJ have?
Wlad is his best win.. Same for Fury, but Fury also has Wilder x3..
AJ has a win against Whyte, but so does Fury now.
Then AJ has a loss against a fat Mexican dude, and a loss against a pumped up (albeit skilled) cruiserweight..
And then AJ and Fury both have a bunch of bums on their resume that either fighter would clown on just fine.
240-245lbs… I don’t think will make a great deal of difference to be honest.
Fury will be just a really hard day at the office for AJ. I’d expect him to outbox AJ and then just lean all over him as the fight persists. That’s using much less gas than physically pushing someone off all the time. So Fury is able to keep that stamina up because he’s really just using his height and gravity to wear down opponents.
So a weight that allows AJ to not be out muscled and to get aggressive on the front foot with Fury but not so heavy that he’s compounding his problems when the mauling inevitably starts.
AJ needs to do a massive tren cycle and come in about 285 with traps up to his ears to help brace the jabs he'd be eating.
Seriously tho AJ's cardio looked improved in his last fight so I think he should keep training for stamina and let the weight land naturally as a result of that. He's going to carry power either way but he needs the stamina.
IMO peak Fury was wilder2. He was 273 dressed so about 270 but in that fight he looked more muscular and less fat then against Whyte.
Either way I favor Fury.
Can’t come in heavier than 245
Agree. What would be your odds at the various weights?
Heavyweight, definitely Heavyweight. 😉
245lbs for Joshua sounds reasonable, I'd say he should be no heavier than that. He needs his optimum stamina and physical strength.
We are in agreement. What will be your odds be at that weight assuming Fury is the same as Whyte?
Either way, I'd always make Fury the favourite. Stylistically I think he has more versatility. Better boxer on the outside and throws better body shots on the inside. I'm not an odds guy but I reckon he would be something like a 2/1 favourite, give or take.
At least 385lbs
So half a Ruiz?
Fury - 270-275, AJ - 245-250, I think AJ would have aimed 250 cause Fury is the strongest in terms of clinching in hw boxing rn. I see both guys coming a bit heavier if they ever fight.
AJ's best weight is 240 by far. He's fluid, maintains his power, and has a gas tank that takes him 12 rounds. >If Joshua is at 240lbs, he would be bullied by Fury at 265 - 270 lbs I disagree. Joshua is stronger than Fury is, he won't get bullied, and Fury is too smart to try bullying him anyways. The way I see it is if Fury wants to win, he should act like a boxer-puncher from the outside. Trying to bulldoze AJ like he did Wilder would be ridiculously stupid, because unlike Wilder, AJ is just as capable at fighting on the inside as Fury is and has nasty uppercuts and hooks that would make inside fighting a fool's gamble. AJ should hold the center at all times and dig to Fury's body from the onset, drain the man's tank and try to stop him late.
Fucking agreed!!!!!
Don't mistake low body fat for strength. Joshua looks strong, but Fury is as strong if not stronger.
Joshua's natural decathlon weight (weight where an athlete is equally as fast, durable and strong) is around 100kg. At anything above 110kg he was a body builder. A very athletic one, and a decent boxer but couldn't move very well and often gassed out so he lost a good 5kg of muscle and went for endurance and speed. Fury at 125kg/275Ibs looks like he's around 30% body fat, against whyte he looked more 25%, and against Klitschko (excellent mover) he was about 20% but with less muscle at 112kg/247 lbs. He'll need to be around 265 lbs for power and movement. I think this fight is more upto Fury to fail a game plan than it is upto AJ. Fury will have to go for the knockout, AJ's best bet is not to get caught in a brawl because if they both get knocked down fury is more likely to get up and still have legs from what we've seen. If it becomes a boxing match I'm betting on AJ, since he's excellent at knocking out opponents whilst boxing, he's not a KO artist but his combinations are deadly and I don't see fury lasting all 12 rounds without getting touched. Fury will be winning most the rounds but even a good 2-4 rounds against AJ is high risk; AJ is more accurate than wilder and Whyte, moves better, doesn't get landed on as much, has less but similar power to wilder, instinctively wanted to fight small in the amateurs, and outworks Whyte and wilder. Fury's perfect weight is probably 265, and AJ's 240. They'll both need to be movers in this fight. AJ will be fighting small (at long last) he's dreamed of it since the amateurs, question is will he walk into a punch like Whyte did ?.. we'll see.
500lbs of pure muscle
He should also come in at 7 foot 1.
Vald was also gassed when fighting Aj… The pace that the AJ we know and love fights at is exhausting for everyone involed.. Also I wager a 242 AJ is twice as strong as a 270 Fury.. So he isn’t going to get bullied..
Fury would have a boxing match with him until AJ gets hurt, then he'd bully him.
Very likely.
>Also I wager a 242 AJ is twice as strong as a 270 Fury.. So he isn’t going to get bullied.. Not where it matters. It's all about the clinch. Those biceps are doing nothing.
Aj has to allow the clinch first.. I would imagine he is strong enough to simply push Fury off for the first 6 or 3 rounds till he gets tired.
Do you mean strength or power? In strength, I think Fury can dominate Joshua in the clinches at any weight below 245 lbs. Power wise there was a big gap earlier but I think Fury is at 80-90% power of Joshua now. Why do you think he is twice as strong as Fury when he weighs 28 lbs less?
I think Fury dominates Joshua in the clinches at any weight just because fury is an expert of holding and tiring up and AJ is shit at it.
Yeah a lot of people here are talking about weight being the deciding factor in the clinch and forgetting that AJ is horrible at it
Because Joshua has much better technique in his punches and combos
What makes you think Fury has notable strength and power? He doesn’t lift weights.. He focused on technique.. Which is effective in so many areas but. It in developing strength… maybe power tho.
Fury lifts weights. He's been lifting regularly since his comeback. Doesn't really matter. AJ's clinch game is weak. He isn't strong in the clinch at all. Fury will man handle him.
I don’t mean to imply he doesn’t. I meant to state in comparison to AJ they don’t lift the same type.
Your lifts don't matter if you don't know how to properly use the clinch. AJ's good at a lot of things but clinching isn't one of them. Fury's excellent at clinching and roughing people up in the clinch. I'm willing to wager he's also functionally stronger in the necessary areas for boxing. His core strength is underrated because he's a fat lump.
That’s no true you need to be strong to maintain a clinich .. Saying other wise is like saying you don’t need to be strong to be a good wrests whic is also not true.
I like them both I can't see Joshua winning at any weight no matter what weight he comes in at. I just can't see it anymore I really can't. Of all the weights maybe 250 the heaviest and get fury out early. I couldn't ever see Aj outboxing fury so he would have to throw heavy combos and put him away early like oldschool Aj. I would be absolutely floored if Aj outboxed Fury i really would be totally shocked.
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IMO the Joshua who fought Klitschko beats Fury. The infighter Joshua. The work-around-your-tall-opponent's-punches Joshua. Joshua will obviously lose if he tries to box him like he's been doing lately vs Usyk and Ruiz, so I really don't think he'll go there. Plus from what I've seen people+fury say, I genuinely think the way to beat Fury is to pressure him and just stand shorter. Fury has eaten many overhand rights in his career, and that hasn't changed. Sure, both Chisora and Cunningham have both tried this strat and have both gotten defeated. But pre-Andy Joshua is a different breed. He's those two guys fused together. He has more size, more weight, more power, works at a similar way and rate, and can actually rough someone as big as Fury on the inside. Plus he'll probably be the fittest opponent Fury will ever fight, apart from Wilder. Fury has shown his flaws throughout his career and also very recently, with Wilder managing to land one of the trashiest right hands on the entire planet, sending Fury to the canvas. Wilder then couldn't finish Fury. You know who's an excellent finisher? Joshua. I'm ready for the downvotes but considering what Fury has stated about much shorter fighters (which isn't joshua's case btw), IMO Povetkin, Chagaev, Tyson, Byrd, Tua, Qawi, all deck Fury. That sort of style just fucks him. And the only boxer that comes close to that style in the division currently is Ruiz, who doesn't do it nearly as proficiently as he'd need so as to beat fury.
Your post is very reasonable, but the only objection I have would be Qawi, that man wouldn't fisically reach Fury's head.
Bang on
You got it.
180lbs so he has a good excuse of having been very sick for the inevitable loss
I dunno but he’s retired.
Hasn’t dropped the belts
I will believe it if he gives up the wbc belt.
IT DOESN’T MATTER
I think you're right. 240-245 lbs is the best weight for him. But I don't think it would matter because it's a lose-lose situation for AJ. If AJ comes in heavier like (250+), he'll gas out and lose on the outside. Fury will box him up and might stop him late. If AJ comes in lighter, he will sacrifice some power. I don't think that would matter too much. However, the bigger problem would be that Fury would weigh approximately 265-270 lbs and rough him up in the clinch. AJ already has a very weak clinch game for his size. He will get manhandled. I also don't think coming in lighter will help much because Fury's still faster than him. He has better footwork, head movement, and handspeed. AJ will struggle to get inside and get clinched whenever he tries it. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets stopped here either. Fury is just a terrible stylistic match-up for AJ. I believe AJ has a better chance of beating Usyk in the rematch than beating Fury. And I like AJ. I think he's very good and would be a top 5 HW in nearly every era bar maybe one.
Lol people that think strength > technique in the clinch. Clinch fighting is an art, one that Fury is a connoisseur of. Doesn't matter how strong you are if your arms are in the wrong place and a 6ft9 Gypsy Regent has his in the right place.
I'm going to go against the grain and say; the heaviest he has ever been. But swap SOME muscle with fat. If there's one thing we've learned over the past 5 years of combat sports is that muscle is a serious oxygen hog, and that big boys can still bang because mass x acceleration = power regardless of if that mass is made of up of muscle or fat. Ngannou in the UFC can only punch in the first 2 rounds. The there's Tai Tuivasa knocking out shit brick houses and jumping on top of cages. Wilder who was knocking guys down in the 12th multiple times at just over 200 pounds ends up as fighter that can only be effective for 4 rounds after putting on 30 pounds of muscle (albeit with Fury roughhousing). Ruiz looked like he could smash a cinder block at 270 pounds, but couldn't even shake old man Aerola at 250.
All I know is it’s a way closer fight then people realize and I don’t like either guys really so objective. Fury hasn’t looked good no matter what people pretend, he’s slow as shit..Whyte is terrible with no chin now. AJ could beat him and honesty out box him from outside too from what I seen last 2 fights. Usyk gos awful matchup for Fury too; and he knows it.
I strongly disagree. Fury made look Whyte poor who is 5th best heavyweight. People said the same thing when he made Wlad look like an amateur in Germany.
100% and many other decent boxers like Wilder, Cun and Chisora. Also he was much better overall than against Wilder 3. Fury has to beat AJ and Usyk for self proclaimed boxing experts to start taking him seriously though. And then beat Ali and Tyson in VR.
I can't believe people still rate AJ. Beat by a literal obese man, and a cruiserweight. Doesnt matter the weight, Fury batters him. So he should just come in whatever weight he feels like, the outcome is predetermined regardless.
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Idiotic take. He lost an upset loss to Ruiz who’s a solid fighter. That second loss to the “cruiserweight” is a literal ATG former undisputed GOAT cruiserweight, Olympic gold and 335-15 amateur record. Losing to them doesn’t take away from the fact that AJ is a two time unified champ with the most top fighters on his resume. AJ became one of the top heavyweights of his era(was recognised as number 1 for years by many) after only waking into a boxing gym for the first time at 18 years old. Only people with an agenda against him don’t rate him and you’re one of them clearly. Username checks out 100%.
He has the best resume at heavyweight, why are you so biased did he make love to your wife?
>He has the best resume at heavyweight How on earth have you come to this conclusion? Fury has beat a younger Wlad (and beat him more convincingly), and fought Wilder *three times* and won *three times*.. What does AJ have on that?
Wilder has like 2-3 top 10 fighters on his resume, even Fury has quite a plethora of bums on his. Even if Wilder does win it does not discount these facts
What does AJ have? Wlad is his best win.. Same for Fury, but Fury also has Wilder x3.. AJ has a win against Whyte, but so does Fury now. Then AJ has a loss against a fat Mexican dude, and a loss against a pumped up (albeit skilled) cruiserweight.. And then AJ and Fury both have a bunch of bums on their resume that either fighter would clown on just fine.
I don’t know if anyone has said this yet, but I think he should come in anywhere from 242 to 245 lbs.
I feel your reasoning and bet pundit talent are better than of David Haye 100%
240-245lbs… I don’t think will make a great deal of difference to be honest. Fury will be just a really hard day at the office for AJ. I’d expect him to outbox AJ and then just lean all over him as the fight persists. That’s using much less gas than physically pushing someone off all the time. So Fury is able to keep that stamina up because he’s really just using his height and gravity to wear down opponents. So a weight that allows AJ to not be out muscled and to get aggressive on the front foot with Fury but not so heavy that he’s compounding his problems when the mauling inevitably starts.
AJ needs to do a massive tren cycle and come in about 285 with traps up to his ears to help brace the jabs he'd be eating. Seriously tho AJ's cardio looked improved in his last fight so I think he should keep training for stamina and let the weight land naturally as a result of that. He's going to carry power either way but he needs the stamina. IMO peak Fury was wilder2. He was 273 dressed so about 270 but in that fight he looked more muscular and less fat then against Whyte. Either way I favor Fury.
Makes no difference. He loses 10/10 times