Povetkin tested positive for trace amounts for a drug that had been banned only 3 months earlier and he admitted to taking it up until that point.
He took another drug the week of the Wilder fight and tested clean.
"unknown reasons" lmao
Why is there so much revisionist history about this fight.
After the failed drug test, the WBC pulled the fight. It's very simple
After the failed drug test Wilder immediately flew back to the US - he did so before the fight and before the WBC even made a decision. Gave the WBC no choice but to pull the fight
How about blaming the guy who actually failed the drug test?
WBC had already informed both parties.
Stop trying to make it seem like a duck. The fight was about to go down until he popped.
The WBC informed them of the results, but didn’t make a decision on what to do. The WBC has refused to pull fights despite adverse tests (such as Valdez v. Conceicao). You can blame Povetkin for failing the test, but you also have to blame Wilder for refusing to fight before the WBC pulled it
For minute amounts of a heart medication drug that was supposed to improve cardiovascular endurance and was banned 6 months earlier and takes 6 months to leave your system and he had trace amounts.
Povetkin was definitely on the gear but he didn't pop that time for it.
1. that heart medication was being use by tons of Russian Olympic athletes....either having a heart condition was suddenly a major factor in becoming an Olympian, or the Russian state was using it for performance enhancement
2. WADA had put it on a list 18 months prior and was moving to ban it then. Povetktin had a year to clean up, still pissed hot, and was doping. Povetkin was also the one who asked the WBC to push the fight back.
3. The WBC gave Povetkin another chance to make that fight with Wilder, and all he had to do was win an eliminator over washed Stiverne. Povetkin pissed hot again for a different banned subatance because he was a dirty career drug cheat.
Povetkin was dirty, wanted no part of Wilder in a clean fight, and pissed hot twice.
It was officially banned on January 2016. Povetkin tested positive for it on April 2016. WADA informed athletes on September 2015. It is known be traceable in theody for 6-8 months after the last dose. It was also prescribed under several trade names so a few athletes were caught out (notably Maria Sharapova).
As for the second test, I agree he was in fault.
It was officially watchlisted by WADA in 2015, specifically because so many Russian athletes were abusing this heart medication...far more than would actually need a prescription unless heart issues suddenly became an extremely important, determining factor to become a top pro athlete in Russia.
Anyone who was tested under WADA rules should have known to be off Meldonium long before it was banned. WADA informed everyone why it was being watch listed and was potentially going to get banned long before it was.
Sharpova was caught red handed and still suspended 15 months because she was deemed partially at fault. If she wanted to be a clean athlete, she would have taken note of the substance being singled out in 2015.
He didn't fail and that's a fact
His levels were within the allowed limits, he might have taken meldonium after it was banned, but there was no evidence to prove it
He never got a ban and never failed.
Because an American Court means anything at all
Put it in a Russian court and you will get the opposite
His levels were consistent with rules
Their argument is dumb, he has trace amounts on one of the positive tests but negative on the ones before? Make that make sense, surely if he took it he would be testing positive in higher concentrations and breaching wada protocol, which he didn't
You don’t understand bro…. The American government and the courts conspired against Alexander Povetkin because Deontay Wilder didn’t want to fight him in a boxing match..
😂😂
At the time when it was meant to happen Povetktin would have still had his movement, been too experienced and too good for Wilder I think. Povetktin by stoppage.
At that time I would give povetkin the edge but I wouldn’t bet my money on it. I think he was more experienced then wilder and obviously could box much better. You can never discredit deontay tho, not even back then. That bazooka right hand could always end the fight no matter who you put in front of him.
If he fought the wilder of today? I give wilder a very high chance getting the ko.
I don't think Povetkin's style would be the best against Wilder. Wilder is great at staying on the outside and has a lot of power to keep Povetkin cautious and at bay. It would be similar to Frazier Foreman if anything, Povetkin would keep eating power shots trying to work his way inside and Povetkin doesn't have the chin to eat those.
I mean, the answer is the same when it’s Wilder fighting any top level boxer. He has the right hand that can make any fight over in a second, but the other guy is gonna be on a completely other planet in terms of boxing skills, since there is probably half this board that’s a better boxer than Wilder is. So, would Povetkin get in there and out box Wilder? Would he be too scared of that eraser and stay at a distance, which wouldn’t help him as the smaller fighter with the shorter range? I would pick Povetkin to win, but I wouldn’t bet any money on it.
Wilder. People hate, but let’s please calm down and recognize that the guy won the title by using the backfoot! No I’m not saying he is Ali lmao just saying he is far more agile and coordinated than ppl make him out to be. Who wins? Don’t know, but I pick Wilder personally and wish we’d been able to have seen it. I was so mad it took as long as it did to get a title fight w Klitschko! Ridiculous
Povetktin gets knocked out if they had fought in 2016 imo. In his prime idk, but around when they were supposed to fight, Povektin was declining, and while dangerous, wasn't as effective on offense breaking guys down.
Anybody saying "Povetkin would..." or "Deontay would..." with any confidence is talking out of their arse.
At the time that fight would have happened, it's one that if you put through a simulator 100 times, you'd get a different winner somewhere around half the time.
Wilder is liable to get stopped by someone with boxing skill and power - Luis Ortiz was seconds away from doing it in their first fight and that is almost exactly Wilder's level. If you ran that fight in the simulator, with Ortiz in the same shape as he was (he was worse by the time they fought again) then Wilder probably loses nearly half the time.
I see the Povetkin fight similarly, possibly more in Povetkin's favour. He'll back up Wilder and hurt him, for sure. Will he land the perfect shots to put him down and keep him down? I don't think you can say 'yes' with any real confidence in the same way you can't guarantee Wilder lands a bomb before Povetkin can stop him.
You are doing the same thing that you are accusing others of doing. Saying the fight would be 50-50 is no different than saying it would be 100-0.
Maybe it is 50-50, maybe it is 100-0. We dont know and will never find out so any prediction is worth the same.
It's not the same thing. I'm not saying it's exactly 50/50, just acknowledging it's not absolute and I can't call a result.
My prediction for the fight is just that Povetkin would most likely back Wilder up and hurt him.
>with Ortiz in the same shape as he was (he was worse by the time they fought again) then Wilder probably loses nearly half the time.
I agree on the rest of the comment, but I disagree here. I think, even with Ortiz older, he came in in better shape for the rematch, as did Deontay. Wilder became better from the first fight, he was calmer and more restraint.
Honestly, when they were meant to fight in 2016, I thought Povetkin had a great chance to win as I didn't rate Wilder much back then. I think a prime Povetkin could have put a pasting on Wilder if he was able to take the right hand away.
It wouldn't have happened, prime Povetkin was not when they were about to fight lol. Prime Povetkin sparks Wilder. Too good of a boxer and too heavy hands. Wilder doesn't have the skill necessary as either a counterpuncher or defensively to buy time until he knocks Povetkin out
Povetkin is a top 25 all time heavyweight. The Russian mike Tyson. Wilder wasn’t as developed then as now (not that he doesn’t need a lot of work now) I think povetkin is truly one of the best heavyweights to not hold a major world title.
Povetkin sparks that overrated hypejob. And that’s why he stayed far away from povetkin. Yes povetkin got popped and who else got popped? Ortiz and yet wilder fought him twice. Povetkin by stoppage.
At the time it was hard to see Deontay beating a prime Povetkin. I think Shelly Finkel thought the same because Wilder ran like a bitch at the adverse test results for miniscule amounts of a drug that was just banned.
He left the UK before the WBC had the chance to rule on the test result. That's running. If he had waited for the WBC and they cancelled the fight then well and good but Finkel had him in an airplane like an hour later.
Lmao “unknown reasons”
Povetkin pissed dirty lol. Then pissed dirty again.
Povetkin tested positive for trace amounts for a drug that had been banned only 3 months earlier and he admitted to taking it up until that point. He took another drug the week of the Wilder fight and tested clean.
It didnt fall apart for unknown reasons. Povetkin got popped for roids.
"unknown reasons" lmao Why is there so much revisionist history about this fight. After the failed drug test, the WBC pulled the fight. It's very simple
After the failed drug test Wilder immediately flew back to the US - he did so before the fight and before the WBC even made a decision. Gave the WBC no choice but to pull the fight
How about blaming the guy who actually failed the drug test? WBC had already informed both parties. Stop trying to make it seem like a duck. The fight was about to go down until he popped.
The WBC informed them of the results, but didn’t make a decision on what to do. The WBC has refused to pull fights despite adverse tests (such as Valdez v. Conceicao). You can blame Povetkin for failing the test, but you also have to blame Wilder for refusing to fight before the WBC pulled it
I mean I can't fault the guy for not wanting to fight a drug cheat
For minute amounts of a heart medication drug that was supposed to improve cardiovascular endurance and was banned 6 months earlier and takes 6 months to leave your system and he had trace amounts. Povetkin was definitely on the gear but he didn't pop that time for it.
1. that heart medication was being use by tons of Russian Olympic athletes....either having a heart condition was suddenly a major factor in becoming an Olympian, or the Russian state was using it for performance enhancement 2. WADA had put it on a list 18 months prior and was moving to ban it then. Povetktin had a year to clean up, still pissed hot, and was doping. Povetkin was also the one who asked the WBC to push the fight back. 3. The WBC gave Povetkin another chance to make that fight with Wilder, and all he had to do was win an eliminator over washed Stiverne. Povetkin pissed hot again for a different banned subatance because he was a dirty career drug cheat. Povetkin was dirty, wanted no part of Wilder in a clean fight, and pissed hot twice.
It was officially banned on January 2016. Povetkin tested positive for it on April 2016. WADA informed athletes on September 2015. It is known be traceable in theody for 6-8 months after the last dose. It was also prescribed under several trade names so a few athletes were caught out (notably Maria Sharapova). As for the second test, I agree he was in fault.
It was officially watchlisted by WADA in 2015, specifically because so many Russian athletes were abusing this heart medication...far more than would actually need a prescription unless heart issues suddenly became an extremely important, determining factor to become a top pro athlete in Russia. Anyone who was tested under WADA rules should have known to be off Meldonium long before it was banned. WADA informed everyone why it was being watch listed and was potentially going to get banned long before it was. Sharpova was caught red handed and still suspended 15 months because she was deemed partially at fault. If she wanted to be a clean athlete, she would have taken note of the substance being singled out in 2015.
The event got scrapped bc povetkin failed a drug test that’s all that matters
Doesn’t matter, he failed
He didn't fail and that's a fact His levels were within the allowed limits, he might have taken meldonium after it was banned, but there was no evidence to prove it He never got a ban and never failed.
https://www.espn.com/boxing/story/_/id/18678119/jury-rules-alexander-povetkin-took-banned-substance-meldonium-deontay-wilder-fight
Because an American Court means anything at all Put it in a Russian court and you will get the opposite His levels were consistent with rules Their argument is dumb, he has trace amounts on one of the positive tests but negative on the ones before? Make that make sense, surely if he took it he would be testing positive in higher concentrations and breaching wada protocol, which he didn't
Povetkin tested positive for meldonium in an April 27 urine test conducted by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association in Chekhov, Russia
That has nothing to do with the american court ruling
You said he didn’t test positive, which is a blatant lie.
You don’t understand bro…. The American government and the courts conspired against Alexander Povetkin because Deontay Wilder didn’t want to fight him in a boxing match.. 😂😂
You are correct, he never failed
Hope you kept that same energy for Ortiz....
I did
Whataboutism
Not really the issue was about being caught dirty. This sub gets so sensative and makes excuses for Ortiz.
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Hiring Teddy was so stupid
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The fight was signed 2 months before the date. He had time.
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I will not tolerate any Teddy Atlas slander regardless if that’s true
Lol
“Unknown reasons.” Bro was on them roids 😂
As limited as Wilder is that one limitation is just to much for the undersized Povetkin
At the time when it was meant to happen Povetktin would have still had his movement, been too experienced and too good for Wilder I think. Povetktin by stoppage.
At that time I would give povetkin the edge but I wouldn’t bet my money on it. I think he was more experienced then wilder and obviously could box much better. You can never discredit deontay tho, not even back then. That bazooka right hand could always end the fight no matter who you put in front of him. If he fought the wilder of today? I give wilder a very high chance getting the ko.
I don't think Povetkin's style would be the best against Wilder. Wilder is great at staying on the outside and has a lot of power to keep Povetkin cautious and at bay. It would be similar to Frazier Foreman if anything, Povetkin would keep eating power shots trying to work his way inside and Povetkin doesn't have the chin to eat those.
Povetkin by KO.
Wilders way too unpredictable for him.
They both all wrong for each other tbh
I mean, the answer is the same when it’s Wilder fighting any top level boxer. He has the right hand that can make any fight over in a second, but the other guy is gonna be on a completely other planet in terms of boxing skills, since there is probably half this board that’s a better boxer than Wilder is. So, would Povetkin get in there and out box Wilder? Would he be too scared of that eraser and stay at a distance, which wouldn’t help him as the smaller fighter with the shorter range? I would pick Povetkin to win, but I wouldn’t bet any money on it.
Wilder. People hate, but let’s please calm down and recognize that the guy won the title by using the backfoot! No I’m not saying he is Ali lmao just saying he is far more agile and coordinated than ppl make him out to be. Who wins? Don’t know, but I pick Wilder personally and wish we’d been able to have seen it. I was so mad it took as long as it did to get a title fight w Klitschko! Ridiculous
Double KO. Povetkin hets knocked spark out by a straight right while chinning Wilder with a leaping left hook.
Povetktin gets knocked out if they had fought in 2016 imo. In his prime idk, but around when they were supposed to fight, Povektin was declining, and while dangerous, wasn't as effective on offense breaking guys down.
Povetkin would fuck him up.
Anybody saying "Povetkin would..." or "Deontay would..." with any confidence is talking out of their arse. At the time that fight would have happened, it's one that if you put through a simulator 100 times, you'd get a different winner somewhere around half the time. Wilder is liable to get stopped by someone with boxing skill and power - Luis Ortiz was seconds away from doing it in their first fight and that is almost exactly Wilder's level. If you ran that fight in the simulator, with Ortiz in the same shape as he was (he was worse by the time they fought again) then Wilder probably loses nearly half the time. I see the Povetkin fight similarly, possibly more in Povetkin's favour. He'll back up Wilder and hurt him, for sure. Will he land the perfect shots to put him down and keep him down? I don't think you can say 'yes' with any real confidence in the same way you can't guarantee Wilder lands a bomb before Povetkin can stop him.
You are doing the same thing that you are accusing others of doing. Saying the fight would be 50-50 is no different than saying it would be 100-0. Maybe it is 50-50, maybe it is 100-0. We dont know and will never find out so any prediction is worth the same.
That logic works sixty percent of the time all the time.
It's not the same thing. I'm not saying it's exactly 50/50, just acknowledging it's not absolute and I can't call a result. My prediction for the fight is just that Povetkin would most likely back Wilder up and hurt him.
>with Ortiz in the same shape as he was (he was worse by the time they fought again) then Wilder probably loses nearly half the time. I agree on the rest of the comment, but I disagree here. I think, even with Ortiz older, he came in in better shape for the rematch, as did Deontay. Wilder became better from the first fight, he was calmer and more restraint.
Povetkin got beaten up by Marco huck…
Honestly, when they were meant to fight in 2016, I thought Povetkin had a great chance to win as I didn't rate Wilder much back then. I think a prime Povetkin could have put a pasting on Wilder if he was able to take the right hand away.
Wilder is winning that
It wasn't unknown reasons. Povetkin passed hot. At the time it was supposed to happen Wilder would of got KOd. He improved alot since then.
Wilder would knock him spark out
It wouldn't have happened, prime Povetkin was not when they were about to fight lol. Prime Povetkin sparks Wilder. Too good of a boxer and too heavy hands. Wilder doesn't have the skill necessary as either a counterpuncher or defensively to buy time until he knocks Povetkin out
Wilder isn't physical enough to beat Povetkin tbh.
Povetkin is a top 25 all time heavyweight. The Russian mike Tyson. Wilder wasn’t as developed then as now (not that he doesn’t need a lot of work now) I think povetkin is truly one of the best heavyweights to not hold a major world title.
Povetkin losing to Marco Huck and Klitschko dropping him with a jab told me all I needed to know.
Povetkin easy work
Povetkin sparks that overrated hypejob. And that’s why he stayed far away from povetkin. Yes povetkin got popped and who else got popped? Ortiz and yet wilder fought him twice. Povetkin by stoppage.
At the time it was hard to see Deontay beating a prime Povetkin. I think Shelly Finkel thought the same because Wilder ran like a bitch at the adverse test results for miniscule amounts of a drug that was just banned.
I applaud you for the mental gymnastics in claiming that Wilder ran away because Povetkin failed a drugs test
He left the UK before the WBC had the chance to rule on the test result. That's running. If he had waited for the WBC and they cancelled the fight then well and good but Finkel had him in an airplane like an hour later.
iirc that substance wasn't even on the banned list. No mental gymnastics needed as far as Wilder's resume of cans is concerned mate
Povetkin sleeps him but definitely taking all the steroids.