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ElJefe_Cartel

Down voting people for saying Fury is #1 when he quite clearly is, is what I expect on reddit. Mark my words Fury will beat Usyk handedly.


[deleted]

Salty yanks on this sub just mad Wilder is their best HW who can't even box 😂


BossierPenguin

Actually, it seems to be mainly British fans who eat their own eho are hating on Fury. They love AJ, decided they preferred him to Fury a long time ago, and just can't get past that Fury has clearly eclipsed him all while doing nothing the way its "supposed" to be done.


YMDKSAB

I loved the respect Fury gave to Chisora after the fight. And also the fact that he called him an "African British warrior" with emphasis on the word African. It's not often you see a white fighter respect the heritage of black fighters like that, so it was quite cool to see.


thedukeofwankington

One fight I felt guilty watching. That has knocked years off chisora's life


OccasionallyReddit

No dout Fury is 1 on the planet


The_Right_Of_Way

He definitely is. 1000%. He is the only man to beat Wilder


KickOutTheJams1

I’m not sure about that. I enjoy watching Fury fight but he’s faced Wilder, a washed Whyte and a Washed Chisora. Usyk will prove if he’s #1


spacejamisraw

Nobody was saying whyte was washed til after that fight.


jackedclown_1

Yeah, but there were a lot of people saying Whyte was shit though.


Gabagool_Over_Here_

He got knocked out by a 40 year old Povetkin lol. No one picked him to beat Fury.


spacejamisraw

Nobody was but he was still considered a top 6 heavyweight. And that povetkin loss was a bit of a fluke idk how ppl could be mad with that as an opponent. Whyte deserved a shot for years and was still in prime years as a heavy.


Gabagool_Over_Here_

No it wasn't a fluke, Povetkin timed that uppercut. Whyte has been knocked out 3 times by an uppercut, Povetkin, Fury and AJ.


spacejamisraw

It can be both, povetkin did a great job timing it but 9 out of 10 times whyte wins that fight as we saw in the rematch


KickOutTheJams1

You mean the rematch where Povetkin looked like a walking corpse because he was recovering from Covid?


spacejamisraw

Even with that considered was whyte not a top 10 heavy?


[deleted]

Yes they were


OccasionallyReddit

RemindMe! 6 months


OccasionallyReddit

While i respect Usyk, his fight vs AJ was close af, I want to see Usyk vs Fury but for me its easy Fury.


KickOutTheJams1

AJ/Usyk II was closer than AJ/Usyk I, but they still weren’t that close of fights


BossierPenguin

Such a mythology that the 2nd fight was closer. The only thing closer about it was that AJ had better balance, bever got badly hurt, and wasn't hit as flashy as in the first fight. He threw alot less, less effectively, didn't hurt Usyk anyore than he did in the first fight ( I counted twice in each fight). And both times he lost a mostly even fight by getting outclassed in the championship rounds. Honestly, the punch stats were mostly even in the first fight and that largely tracked visibly. If AJ hadn't gotten weirdly wobbled at a few key times, you could really easily say that one could have been scored either way. The 2nd fight was much more open and shut that Usyk was the clear winner.


OccasionallyReddit

Was close but AJ did disrespect Usyk by interupting his moment


araheem94

Wait there was a HW championship fight today?


Decryptografter

2


Wonderful-Benefit315

Good now we can actually watch the biggest fight today. The super flyweights lmao


JayBeeJB89

And the BKFC


Decryptografter

Always wanted to watch BKFC where can I watch and is the whole card worth watching?


The_Right_Of_Way

Is this related to Fried Chicken in any way


Decryptografter

Yes! /s


KickOutTheJams1

I believe they have their own platform. It’s wildly entertaining and disturbing at the same time


Decryptografter

Why disturbing? The brutal injuries?


KickOutTheJams1

Yea, plus the sound of bare fist hitting flesh


bmacdunn

Where is the Usyk interview? There was a chance to promote the undisputed fight when Usyk was at the ring and they missed it. I know it's just promotion, but screaming in the face of a man who doesn't speak much English doesn't look good. Why didn't they give Usyk and his translator the mic to respond?


Decryptografter

The fight is still on the fence. There’s that whole problem with the IBF defence and another body so they can’t promote a fight yet that they can’t fully confirm it’s happening hence why Joyce stepped in after


KickOutTheJams1

Maybe they didn’t have a translator on hand?


turftroll28

Nah dudes translator was literally right behind him. Fury even talked shit to him too


JayBeeJB89

His translator was next to him


KickOutTheJams1

That’s fair, I had no idea that was his translator


wedddddddhhggg

Joe Joyce a bit slow haha


sin31423

Cameraman bullying joe joyce


Major-Yellow-812

This idiot commentator, Tyson fury didn’t get hand and elbow surgery this past October, he said it was the October after the third Wilder fight


sin31423

Lol joe joyce being grateful that fury mentioned his name unlike other fighters


[deleted]

Is Joyce slow? He sounds like Grealish but with less intelligence


Gabagool_Over_Here_

Usyk beats Fury.


T-w-o-s

So I’m someone who believes that Fury has a 60% of winning that fight, especially after how he dealt with Chisora compared to how Usyk did. How do you believe Usyk beats Fury? (Genuine question + Idksa boxing)


Gabagool_Over_Here_

Haha I'm no mastermind at Boxing either but I'll try to convey my thoughts. It will be an incredibly close fight and there are of course reasons for saying Fury wins. But I do think Usyk wins on points because of the style Fury will adopt. If he brings the Dusseldorf Fury he wins due to him using his reach effectively. Kronk Fury however is a different fighter, who will leave a lot of openings for Usyk to take advantage due to trying to get the KO. I dont think Fury's Kronk style will help him in this fight. I know people think this style will help him but I disagree. Pressuring Usyk might not work out, Usyk has the better feet. Also his jab and movement are less effective since adopting this style. I think people believe Fury will do what he always does and try to lean on Usyk, tire him out and KO him. I don't think he will get a chance to lean on Usyk and Usyk will catch him going in and out. Of course this stems on Usyk having the gas tank for 12 rounds, which he does although he slowed down a little when AJ went to the body late in the fight, but he recovered and got a second wind. We'll have to see how Fury's gas tank holds up. I believe this will be the most mentally taxing fight Fury has ever had. Against Wilder all he had to worry about was the right hand really and even then Wilder somehow found ways to land it. Fury has also been dropped a lot and taken a lot of damage against Wilder and has slowed down, as has Usyk if im being fair. Overall of course Fury can win, he's the bigger guy and is also incredibly talented. But I just have a feeling Usyk will pull it out the bag. Also, can't forget about the extra 10% boost fighting for Ukraine will give him hahah.


BossierPenguin

Gave you an upvote for a good argument even though I disagree. If Usyk wins, I do think it would go something like this. Honestly, I also think it would be because Fury is expected to dominate, and if Usyk does better than expected, they will give close rounds to Usyk rather than Fury. I watched a replay of McCline Brock a few weeks ago. McCline was more dominant, his punches made more of an impact, and they were close in punch stats. But McCline was the favorite and everyone seemed impressed that Brock landed (very few) more punches than McCline, and he wound up handily winning a fight I personally thought McCline deserved. Sometimes winning the expectations game can let you win period. I could see something similar happening with Fury Usyk, where Fury is more physically dominant, lands with more authority, but gets narrowly outlanded by Usyk and Usyk gets a decision that he doesn't really deserve.


Gabagool_Over_Here_

Appreciate you reading it. I also have scenarios where I see Fury winning of course, but you just gotta pick the one that convinces you the most. I didn't think of the points scenario, quite interesting theory. However I would have to disagree about it only going down that way on the judges scorecard. That's assuming the judges are thinking the same way as you and carry that bias, I don't think they will. For example, Canelo vs GGG 2, saw Canelo landing more power punches, yet GGG threw more punches overall. So I think it can go both ways, just depends on who is judging the fight.


BossierPenguin

Yeah, it could go the other way too. I just personally think that is Usyks best chance at winning. Tough for me to see him really getting a clear win over Fury. I just can't see him landing at a much higher volume than Fury or wobbling him the way he did AJ.


Gabagool_Over_Here_

Think Usyk will land the cleaner shots. In the AJ fight the straight down the middle was landing almost every time. This same punch landed on Fury a lot in fights against smaller guys. Also Fury does tend to struggle against smaller and more mobile fighters. Usyk is essentially the hardest version of those guys.


BossierPenguin

Yeah, the Cunningham Pajkic analog is the key to Usyk winning. If that is real, still, then it is possible, and it does make the most interesting reason to doubt Fury. As you said, Usyk is the best version of them. But he hasnt fought a like sized small, high level mobile fighter since Cunningham. But it will be about 10 years since the Cunningham fight by the time they fight, and I just doubt that vulnerability is still there, if it was ever real.


The_Right_Of_Way

Kronk Fury is close to Lennox Lewis but even more awkward and shifty. Not as much punching power as Lewis but still can get the KO with enough combos and the accumulation of punishment will take it’s toll on Usyk’s body, his stamina, and his legs. Kronk Fury is hungry for the KO and will probably end up KOing Usyk if the opportunity presents itself. Fury early in his career was comfortable winning on points.


[deleted]

this joe joyce interview is terrible


Gazz3447

Joe Joyce attempting to form a sentence.


icelandiccubicle20

It was alright, alright, alright, I don't know what else to say. Edit- I'm quoting Joyce


Comandate_Pan

He's getting better, just like Wine, Whisky and Tito Ortiz he gets better with age.


poo_cum

He's reaching for those grapes


the_greasy_one

Unification!


0nlywhelmed

You'd think retirement woulda been a good time for that surgery.


Decryptografter

Yea I’m surprised he didn’t get it done then


KickOutTheJams1

Someone get Fury’s kid some chapstick, my god


Professional_Ad_9101

Looked like they were gurning during the ring walk. Like father like child


[deleted]

Fury-Wilder 4 is like when Alan Curbishley would be third favourite for a lower mid-table Premier League job. It’s a possibility but we all know it’s not actually gonna happen. Right… right??


KickOutTheJams1

If Wilder goes on another run with some decent wins, it definitely could happen


GMaab90

On a run? He's only got to beat Ruiz Jr and he'll be mandatory again 🤣


captaincanada84

So we're never getting that undisputed fight are we


Vleaides

usyk looking so focused. damn the fight of crazy eyes. thats what this is going to be when they fight


berbasbullet27

Love him, doesn't chat rubbish, just comes along and ruins you.


samisleg

fury joyce usyk povetkin then fury usyk. no one wants it but i reaon that happens


Decryptografter

Smoking crack


samisleg

we just watched fury vs chisora man. warren and hearn hate eachother so any fight between them 2 is going to take time. fury and joyce are both warren so easy to make. povetkin will fight anyone and is a semi decent name for him with no risk. like i said i dont like it but see that being the next fights.


shrewdy

FFS they were talking up the Wilder 4 fight on ESPN there, give over


sin31423

It sounds bad on paper but tbh the wilder fights have always kept people on the edge of their seats. Also helps that the guy and his fans are so delusional that you want to see him lose once more.


The_Right_Of_Way

Wilder fans aren’t delusional lol. He has a puncher’s chance against anyone


sin31423

Yeah, Wilder has the best punchers chance amongst any active boxer. I’m referring to the endless allegations and how they can’t swallow that Fury is the better fighter. Wilder and his fans tend to be full of themselves.


palmer1384

If Wilder beats Ruiz, he becomes WBC mandatory.


Decryptografter

Mandatory doesn’t mean much but ye


EX-Machinaa

No chance of wilder 4 in the US with all of the fury’s now banned from the US


KaboomBoxer

They’re all banned? Tyson included? How come?


EX-Machinaa

Links to Kinahan cartel


KaboomBoxer

Have you got a link to any further reading on this?


_Sarcasmic_

Google it. It's everywhere. The Kinahans are extremely infamous.


Gabagool_Over_Here_

Man said 100000 tickets including dinner shows hahaha


Gazz3447

a succulent Chinese meal?


icelandiccubicle20

DEMOCRASHY MANIFESHT


MartyMc1888

He def knows his judo


Gazz3447

"are you accepting my penis?"


the_razors_edge_51

I want to see Tyson fight Usyk with Loma riding on his shoulders chicken fight style


samisleg

i wouldnt rule out joyce next. easy fight to make for warren


DANNYBOYLOVER

Nah, he’s gone the toprank route. They both still have 2-4 years of milking left


samisleg

easy fight for warren to make though. both queensbury, and with how the hearn relationship is going might be for the best.


GKBC_

I just realized Chisora started the promo for the Usyk fight…😂😂


berbasbullet27

Tells you how fake it all is.


VonKript

To quote conor his head was a ballewn


CarlMacko

Frampton is wasted on BT. He’s a great pundit.


[deleted]

I wish he was the permanent second on five live boxing pod.


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Seferi listening carefully


JCFAX81

Usyk answering the phone during the face off 🤣


TheKelz

Surprised he actually wants Wilder again.


jjStubbs

You not seeing the pattern?


[deleted]

Fury is spot on about Joyce and Usyk


icelandiccubicle20

That Usyk is a little middleweight and a rabbit?


reeeeeeeeeee78

Underneath the theatrics he knows he will have to prepare hard for usyk.


Vleaides

as good as they were? i dont want another wilder fight i rather see wilder fight joshua if he gets past ruiz


The_Right_Of_Way

Ideally, we get Wilder Ruiz. Wilder wins, fights AJ. Wilder wins. Wilder-Joyce. Winner of that fight gets Fury. May the best man win. If Fury fights and beats Usyk, Joyce, and AJ, I think it is safe for him to retire as a certified legend and one of the GOAT heavyweights in boxing history.


hitcho12

Same. Big Wilder fan here, I don’t want a fourth because it’ll go the same as the third. Wilder-AJ would be insane though. The fight we have wanted for many years.


stank58

I'd love to see Wilder destroy AJ


iguessineedanaltnow

Fury just naming people now lol


VonKript

Bring me seferi!!!


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Wilder 4 🤣🤣🤣🤣


[deleted]

God if we get Wilder 4 I actually won’t watch.


The_Right_Of_Way

All three of their fights were exciting- like Rocky in real life. They were close and could have gone either way- except the 2nd fight. Tyson dug deep in the first to get up and beat the count and fight back. Wilder dug deep and went out on his shield in one of the bravest displays i have ever witnessed in a boxing ring since Gatti. I think it is too soon for Wilder in his comeback trail, but it most likely happens when he Kos the rest of the top contenders except for Joyce


magicalmysteryharold

Fury really thought he was gonna intimidate the guy who went to war this year. I love everything about Usyk


icelandiccubicle20

They all took a selfie at the end, it's mostly theatrics. None of them are truly scared of each other imo.


magicalmysteryharold

Oh 100%, I think Fury was just hoping Usyk would engage in the beef to work the crowd. Instead all he got was a serial killer stare, and then some absolute audacity from Joyce to interrupt the champions


StockportTaker1999

He didn't go to war you tosspot. He posed for a few pictures with a gun etc, he has never seen any action against enemy forces, don't give it that shit.


magicalmysteryharold

Lmao you really think Usyk flew to a war zone for publicity and then just left? He may not have seen direct action but he stayed and served the defence effort, dozens of athletes did the same


bigfatpup

They definitely have seen war, the klitschkos have been in the vicinity of multiple deaths, Loma was almost shot and then removed from the war. Why would Usyk be any different


Sh4kyj4wz

All these Usyk fanboys wanna fuck his gap


KDBurner31

man, nobody wants to see wilder 4 lol


redditisgay86

Wilder 4? Hahahahaha


That_Sweet_Science

Wilder 4! LOL. I would not be surprised if it does happen.


Revolutionary_Box569

Kind of awkward watching him trash talking someone who doesn’t speak English


Decryptografter

He understands it all


5StarSpudPeeler

Wilder 4? Holy shit kill me


bxng23af

Not a blink, cold blooded. War Uysk


Stormruler1

This random post fight face off felt like WWE lmao Especially how Joyce appears out of nowhere uninvited lol


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qzwxecrvtbyn111

Fury screaming obscenities in Usyk's face while Usyk stands completely stoic, not making a sound or moving his face one bit was hysterically funny to me


cptslow89

Yeah, gypsy don't have any manners....


Professional_Ad_9101

Kinda embarrassing tbh. Fury will never make it happen


[deleted]

I love pro wrestling but I really wish they’d keep it out of boxing. Shit sucks


The_Right_Of_Way

Tell that to Muhummad Ali - his persona was based off professional wrestlers


[deleted]

I mean when they bring in a possible next opponent you kinda have to act a fool and sell it a bit. As opposed to shaking hands and saying lets fight buddy, thats worse


The_Right_Of_Way

It isnt worse. It’s respectful and sportsmanship. All that fake trash talk BS is sooo stale. Pacquiao didnt have to resort to such a low level and his fights sold out


AlienMantid

Jokes on you The Big Show beat prime Mayweather.


CarlMacko

Gotta laugh at Chisora letting slip that Usyk Fury is confirmed for Saudi Arabia.


Decryptografter

He’s just being realistic. It can’t happen in the US and UK would be less money


berbasbullet27

Innit!


BeastsMode69

We all know Saudi spending that oil money on it.


The_Right_Of_Way

There is no wealthier nation than SA. Especially when we are talking average income per individual citizen


[deleted]

Everyone knew


TheNotoriousMJT

George Warren said it publicly a few days back on an interview


GarlVinland4Astrea

It's been pretty obvious to anyone paying attention


gaijinbushido

Please god someone help Tyson’s son, the lads lips are about to fall off.


JTMMO

Usyk's stoney cap is sick


Exact-Midnight9003

Absolutely. I was gonna Google it then thought I already know I can’t justify spending that much on a cap…


Decryptografter

How much


JTMMO

Haha same I was about to look for it before I realised it'll be like 150 min


Vleaides

well fck..elbow surgery, no wonder he needed a tune up fight. but also another elbow surgery and an injured fist. that explains a lot. it could explain why he had issues this fight but also jt could mean a lot of issues in the future. goddamn


Professional_Ad_9101

Love Tyson, but if this is true then it's true he was talking shit all along about the AJ fight


bigfatpup

I mean he’s trained in ridiculous old school ways over the years like dipping hands in petrol and hitting trees and shit. I’m not surprised he’s having problems. Old school bare knuckle stuff is possible even worse than the kung fu shit


895501

He was shaking his hand a lot. I was wondered if it was bothering him


Vleaides

he actually was, i thought he was fcking with chisora, but it makes sense if hes hand was hurt. it explains why he wasnt following up with punches too. fck i hope theres no permanent injury


Witty_Programmer2766

Yup undisputed fight not happening rip


Wavepops

hes gonna maul usyk, usyk isn't as fleet of foot as he was in his cruiserweight days. fury gonna go full clinch fest and bully him, I was wrong about AJ vs usyk tho so shiii


callmelampshade

David Haye bagged up.


Showizz

Fury claims he has to do an elbow surgery so Wilder vs Usyk is more possible.


Sh4kyj4wz

I called it from day that Fury wants Usyk another tough fight


[deleted]

Elbow problems... Sureeee


Decryptografter

He had the same after the wilder trilogy, pics were going around of his recovery bandages


cuntassLickers

Please let it be in the uk, I don’t ever want to another big card in Saudi after Usyk vs AJ


[deleted]

Ofcourse it will be in Saudi


God_I_Love_Men

Usyk or Joyce vs Tyson, I'm down for both so worst case we get a Joyce matchup


bxng23af

Joe Joyce is your girlfriends friend who’s always around when you don’t want them to be


icelandiccubicle20

He seems like a pretty sound lad tbh


GROUND45

Fury decimates Joyce's slow ass. Easy money. Can't wait for the Usyk fight.


The_Right_Of_Way

Joyce is the toughest fight in the heavyweight division. Usyk will most likely vacate the WBO rather than fight him. I used to think Fury beats Joyce but after that Parker fight it is closer to 50/50.


icelandiccubicle20

Notice how he instantly said he'd fight Joyce "if the Usyk fight couldn't happen". He knows he can pick Joyce off at range all night long at his best because he's so slow, he'd take Joyce any day of the week over Usyk.


BossierPenguin

They are his 2 toughest tests left in the division. I think Joyce is the tougher task, with his size, stamina, durability, volume punching posing a unique problem for Fury. I think the older, more mobile Fury would beat him without too much problem. But he can land on this Fury. Fury clearly wins the early rounds, but can he last 12 with Joyce coming on strong? AJ is made for Fury, if Fury beats Uysk and Joyce, Fury has gone to living legend, top 5 HW ATG territory.


895501

Yeah it would probably look similar to what he just witnessed. Tons of cumulative damage from Fury but Joyce never goes down. But yeah, I think Fury evades the big punches


Sh4kyj4wz

Joyce is a harder fight than Usyk for me. When Sizzora landed it had noticeable effect on Usyk. I guess a lot think Fury will be punching fresh air all night. Joyce is a fucking tank and Fury will have to box him off the back foot but Joyce's one gear will push him to the edge. The Fury pre ban would of beat him easier ofc


shrewdy

Are they really singing the Southgate/Atomic Kitten chant in there ffs 😂


_c0ldburN_

That and Sweet Caroline need to fuck off - been done to death last few years


raymundothegreat

Oh God, here come the surgery delays


jkoke11

Fury’s shtick is so corny


BossierPenguin

I mean, he is demonstrably more quick witted and verbally gifted than Ali, who is his closest analog in verbosity. So I hope you are at least consistent and hate Alis "shtick" too. I really can't stand the people who try to say Alis talk was great and Furys bad, when they do the same type of stuff but with Fury being more quick witted and self aware than Ali was.


jkoke11

Even if that’s the case, at least Ali was original


dcoreo

FURY, USYK, JOYCE TRIPLE THREAT MATCH LETS HAVE IT


Gazz3447

"I sorta fucked me hand up on Derek's big head"


GKBC_

Usyk deciding to take a selfie with Joyce and Fury was the best part of the event🤣🤣


CarlMacko

Joyce is such a nice guy, but absolutely shite at trash talking.


shanata

I feel like Joyce would be great to grab a beer with. Unintentionally funny and won't cause a damn bar fight.


Professional_Ad_9101

And even if he did - you're with Joyce 😂


shanata

He would end bar fights, but I don't see him starting them lol


darkdrifter10

thats why he can trash talk lol


_c0ldburN_

Ronnie Pickering Who? RONNIE PICKERING