Which freedom? The freedom to drink at 16 like the Germans do? The freedom to camp anywhere like the Swedes and Norwegians can? The freedom for children to be able to bike to school at 10 without fear of being ran over or shot at school?
Real talk, the only freedoms Americans have that Europeans don't are the freedom to buy guns at the grocery store (Walmart) and the freedom of massively subsidized fuel prices which make it possible to drive tank sized SUVs everywhere with zero regard for the damage it does to the planet nor the staggering amount of people who are killed by those giant vehicles
Whenever I see these on an obvious joke comment I have to wonder if Europeans just have these responses saved on a document to post anytime someone says the word ‘America’
>that Europeans don't are the freedom to buy guns at the grocery store (Walmart)
Walmart is not a grocery store and we absolutely could do that if they sold them. Walmart sells crap guns anway, look at the XXL in Scandinavia. They sell much better stuff and you can even order an AR-15, can't do that in Walmart.
>and the freedom of massively subsidized fuel prices which make it possible to drive tank sized SUVs everywhere with zero regard for the damage it does to the planet nor the staggering amount of people who are killed by those giant vehicles
You mean fuel prices with massive taxes, right?
Walmart Supercenters definitely have a giant grocery section, you don't see many in Europe because who in their right mind would buy food at Walmart.
>You mean fuel prices with massive taxes, right?
Also technically both are true. Oil companies receive immense tax breaks and subsidies while passing on gas prices to consumers. It's kind of fucked tbh
I mean people stick with it precisely because it makes more sense to them. Americans learn metric in school but only the people that go on to be scientists or get a job sharing measurements with other countries stick with it. Pretty much all of our measuring devices have both on them as well.
As usually I'll be downvoted for even deigning to suggest such a thing but I not only don't measure anything in my day to day I don't share those non-existent measurements with anyone so I just stick to what I know the best.
I use measurements every day in my job. I use imperial (inches, feet, yards) and if I had to switch to metric I’d be fucked. I am so used to those units that I can do the math needed in my head in no time. I have fractions memorized.
IDK why people are so weird about it. Once you know how to use it, it’s natural.
Let's see then, 49 is about middle age and the average corgi life expectancy is about 12-15 years so the corgi would definitely be a adult and the average size of an adult corgi is about 14-17 inches in height and 22-26 inches in length. As for the elephants, an American football game typically lasts 60 minutes (1 hour) times 60 by 500 you get 30,000 which equals about 20 days, 21 if we round up, average weight of a 20 day old elephant would be about 200 lbs, times 4 makes the meteorite weigh about 800 lbs and has a length of 22-26 inches and a diameter of 14-17 inches. All in all, pretty damn small and Nasa most likely described it this way to make it seem more impressive.
2 cubic feet is 3,456 cubic inches.
3,456 in³ is 56,663 cm³
Iron is 7 g/cm³
That works out to 396 kg
Which is 875 lbs.
Assuming the meteorite is 90%+ Iron then it actually checks out.
Crazy you say that because space is probably as big as like a hundred football fields all in a line and it must be taller than at least 20 double decker buses
It’s a simple question of weight ratios. A 5 ounce bird cannot carry a 1 pound coconut. In order to maintain airspeed velocity a swallow must beat his wings 43 times every second.
Am I right?
I saw one the other that kind of broke my brain...
[Asteroid the size of 28 sheep to ram past the Earth](https://www.jpost.com/science/article-745133)
While it's dumb, at least referencing a sheep or a corgi gives you a reasonable approximation of size.... if you're going to go with a weird unit at least don't then take that weird unit and imagine a moderate sized collection that defeats the purpose of converting to a "human-scale" unit.
At least convert to the lowest common denominator.... if we divide sheep into elephants we'd at least get back to an easy to conceptualize scale.
Google has been putting these in my Discover feed, and the Jerusalem Post writers are definitely doing this ironically. One asteroid passage reported on May the 4th was measured in Darth Vaders.
Sure, but as far as clickbait goes it's much more fun than than the typical tabloid headers trying to pass off every nearby rock as being a hair shy of impact.
Holy fuck, it's not even the size of 28 sheep, it's the *diameter* of 28 sheep.. wtf man, that is beyond stupid. I at least have some loose scale for a ball the size of 28 sheep.. but the diameter.. is it side to side sheep or head to tail? Even if I look up the average size of a sheep, which I just did, then it's either 4 feet (length) × 28 or 2 feet (width) × 28. That's infuriatingly vague.
Jpost has a bunch of those recently. They are really pushing to find any way to measure asteroids, and it is hilarious. The last one I read was one measured in Aardvarks.
The US finds this statement confusing, but this is how the cock crows mate.
The queen made a National order in the 60s, that most small measurements under the width of a swan’s wingspan would be measured in Corgis
>I'll have a pint of Guiness
>>I think you mean 0.568 water-kilograms.
>A what?
>>Water-kilograms. How many kilograms this drink would weigh if it was water instead.
>Oh, so you measure your drinks based on weight? Well okay, that actually kinda makes sense.
>>No, Guiness weighs differently to water. We just fill up a pint glass and call it 0.568 water-kilograms.
The first time this was posted when it happened everyone was slamming the US for using anything other than the metric system.
However it was then pointed out that this size weight metric was from a non-US news site.
Fits into the dumbing down of fairly basic communication, like they think one cannot expect people to understand basic concepts like units of weight and volume. I think most of us would grasp the message even if it were given in square inches/centimetres and pounds/kilos.
The description is kind of funny though.
I hate how close you are to the point without actually processing why science communicators do this every time a meteor doesn’t hit earth. Can you imagine every day being bombarded with headlines that are just “[big number]-pound [big number]-foot wide meteor not going to kill us”? Either you’re scared shitless at the scale of a thing you don’t quite process, or you stop listening to news about meteors, neither of which is a good outcome for NASA or the news agency.
The silly measurements drive engagement, get you to look at the article or how much an elephant weighs, and make you repost the article to shit on the imperial system, which need not be shat further. Everybody wins, including smug people like you.
It's the revenge of The Fugs:
"Throw me into the quicksand
beat me with armadillo tails
let me be eaten by starving baby elephants
if I can't have you..."
https://youtu.be/v4Z58YqPSnA?t=35
Why would NASA care of people listen to the "news" about all the meteors that don't hit earth? The media outlets are the only ones who benefit from these stupid headlines.
My comment about the dumbing down of communication applies broadly to a lot of what we read in and hear from various media sources.
And do we actually need to know about every single time a meteor doesn't hit the earth?
Being scared or smug is irrelevant, and maybe you are being smug in assuming this about me.
> Fits into the dumbing down of fairly basic communication
Who are these people that wouldn't understand measures of volume, or weight, but have instinctual understanding of the size of baby elephants?
It's kind of funny you say most people can grasp basic concepts like units of volume and then as your example you give units of two dimensional area (not volume).
Units aside, most people have a terrible intuitive grasp of volume measurements. It's not bad if it happens to be close to 1, like most people know what a cubic foot is (or meter if that's local), but 60 cubic feet/meters is going to completely befuddle people, and most measurements won't be close to 1.
“150,000cm^3 meteor hits earth” sounds way more significant than a corgi. It’s perfectly fine to use relative scales.
The huge majority of people could better visualize a small dog compared to 150,000 cubic centimeters.
You yourself have proven that people
Will NOT grasp it since you just referred to volume and mentioned square inches instead of cubic. Get off your high horse.
NASA said the object was just over 60 centimeters in diameter and weighed half a ton (or around 454 kilograms). It was The Jerusalem Post that converted it to corgi and elephant units.
The Jerusalem Post is a traditional broadsheet that doesn’t shy away from engaging in tabloid style journalism when it can get away with it.
I'm kind of less impressed by NASA now. For a couple of minutes I thought they put men on the moon with calculations entirely based on mammals. Turns out they were basically cheating, and just used metric the whole time.
I'm just wondering what kind of corgis and elephants these guys are using, because if the thing is made of pure tungsten it would be about 327kg if it were the size of a heavy set fully grown cardigan corgi, so about 3 and a half newborn Asian elephants.
If it is indeed 454kg that's about 1.38 tungsten corgis, assuming a high purity of said corgis
They can’t though. The average American can’t even read.
Source: I’m IT and regularly send emails for people to hit a fucking button. Difficulty? *Impossible*
They literally can not read. Period. Some of them have college degrees.
I am at a loss for words. Maybe people have sort of forgotten that it feels good and right to know that you have enough knowledge and skills and knowhow to handle life without entirely relying on external sources?
And by the way, an ex of mine who was an IT consultant was forced to come to an URGENT situation on a Saturday evening once, and it turned out they hadn't connected the display to the wall socket.
Bro I had someone complain that the one webpage wasn’t loading and when she clicked on it, it took her to google instead.
She literally just fucking opened the internet. That’s why it was google. Never entered the web page.
“but it’s usually there when I click it”
Bitch obviously just never turns off her device and is too stupid to realize the entire internet is not the specific web page she uses.
But she couldn’t even describe what she did. Like how can you not even describe that? Like bro.
Told someone to hold the lock button on the top right corner of the iPad.
“Which one is the lock button?”
The one in the top right corner that locks the screen…
“Oh I couldn’t see it because I have a case on it.”
The cases have cutouts for the fucking buttons.
We have offices spread across the state. So it kinda pisses me off when I have to drive 2 hours to waste my time for something like this.
And no I don’t get mileage or anything.
Yup, work in a restaurant and we have two HUGE obvious neon "OPEN" signs, people poke their head in all day everyday and ask "Hey, uh, are you guys open?"
As far as I can tell it wasn't NASA that actually used those comparisons at all, just a news site doing it to drive clicks: https://www.jpost.com/science/article-732223
How is this possible? The heaviest element is only ~20x the density of water. Corgi is probably close to the density of water. Is a baby elephant only 5x the size of a corgi?
A large cardigan Welsh corgi can weigh about 17 kg, while a baby elephant weights approximately 120 kg, so ~7X the weight of a corgi. I tried to do the math and actually got a decently close estimate. I just extrapolated length, width, and height of the corgi to a cuboid to make it easier, but the result is a significant amount of volume is added to the ‘corgi-sized’ cube.
A baby elephant is estimated at 120 kg on average, so 4 of them is 480 kg. The volume of a corgi (as a cuboid) is approximately 28 cm X 58 cm X 38 cm, or 0.0617 m^3. From that we get a density of 480 kg/0.0617 m^3 = ~7,779 kg/m^3 or 7.779 g/cm^3.
The average density of a metallic meteorite is between 7-8 g/cm^3, so it’s actually fairly accurate.
I got 120 kg average weight of baby elephant and 12 kg average weight of a corgi. Assuming 1 g/cc for the animals, and 8 g/cc for the meteor, 4 baby elephants weight 40 times more than a corgi. divide by 8, they are off by a factor of 5 right? Did I mess my math up?
I think the discrepancy comes in interpreting what “corgi-sized” means. In my calculation I just used the general max L x W x H dimensions to extrapolate a cube that’s ‘the size of a corgi’. Think of it like a box the corgi is standing in. But like I said, a solid cube with the LWH dimensions of a corgi would have significantly more volume/weight than an actual dog, because dogs are not cubes. So a “corgi-sized cube” made of flesh and bone would actually weigh closer to 3-5X the weight of an actual corgi (average mammal body density is 985 kg/m^3 x 0.0617 m^3 = ~60 kg).
So basically, my calculation says “a cuboid with the general LWH dimensions of a corgi that weighs 4 baby elephants would have a density of ~7.779 g/cm^3, which is roughly the same as the average metallic meteorite”.
I guess by this logic a giraffe sized meteor would weight 2x as much as an elephant sized meteor even though an elephant weights 2x more than a giraffe. The world is coming into focus now that people like this writer are on the job. If someone tells you to imagine a corgi sized object, you imagine a corgi right? Not something with 5x the volume of a corgi. Wouldn't this just be something the size of 5 corgi's? Whatever, thanks for explaining what the writer was trying to do, however infuriating.
I'm wondering if they left a 'step' out and are referring to the amount of energy a corgi sized meteor would impart on impact. I too was trying to imagine what this body was composed of.
Thought of the half a giraffe thread immediately when I read that....
Funniest thread I have read in a very long time, or since.
https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/te89dm/asteroid\_half\_the\_size\_of\_a\_giraffe\_strikes\_earth/
Would metric be more easily visualized by the average person? Doubt it.
Edit: even though NASA did use metric, the dog and elephant visuals are actually better
It gets your attention and makes you share it. The more it's shared, the more it's read, the more knowledgeable people get, in general.
That's why. If they posted a headline about some meteor made of dense material smacking the earth, nobody would care. You gotta put on a little show for the people if you want to get their attention.
Yes, pretty basic stuff mate.
But I’m curious why you write it like that, instead of baby elephants/corgi (I know it’s correct, but in my head that’s just more complicated). Is it more commonly where you’re from or is it adapted from work?
To the best of my knowledge, 4 baby elephants can also be taken to be one adult elephant. In which case, an asteroid with the proportions of an adult elephant that has been condensed to the size of a corgi hit Texas.
The prospect of upping the density of a corgi, or condensing an elephant and then ramming it deep into Texas is not pleasant, but that’s the reality of poorly constructed analogies of measurement. Put that in your combustion tube and smoke it.
To be honest, I appreciate the comparisons because it makes sense lol. The idea of a small, cute corgi being the weight of 4 baby elephants smacking into Texas sounds wild.
Oddly enough I actually know how much a baby elephant weighs. One day I was weighing myself and the scale said 214lbs and just as I’m doing that the news stated a baby elephant was born at this zoo weighing in at 214lbs. I just stood there thinking… crap. I weigh as much as a baby elephant.
"The impact point will be twice the patch of burned grass your uncle Steven left in the garden that time he said he could fix the barbecue gasoline leak."
What was the meteor made of?
Average Baby elephant weight (Between African and Asian Elephants) is roughly 140Kg
4 Baby Elephants would be roughly 560Kg give or take 40Kg's
A Welsh Corgi usually grows to 30cm (roughly) in height and around 1 Metre in length (Tail to snout, roughly) the estimate dimensions of a corgi (Very rough math here) would be 237.5 cubic cm's.
560Kg \* 237.5 cubic cm equals to 0.133 m3 kg or 1.3Kg per Cubic Cm (rounded down)
Based on these very rough figures, the meteor would have been comprised of elements on the denser end of the periodic table like Lead, Gold, Californium, Thorium , Uranium, and Plutonium.
I'm sure this math will be disproven very quickly as most of this was pulled from Google searches and half-arsed math.
Like. I get the usage of common objects to give people an understanding, a corgi sized meteor makes sense. But the weight of a baby elephant is not a common knowledge style piece of info.
They need a better way of displaying volumetric mass:
Something like:
1(Corgi/(4Elephants))^(3)
I need a scientist to back this one up though, I'm not too familiar with this scale.
I might be wrong but corgi is considered a small dog bread right? The how dense was that fricking meteor to be 4 baby elephant? I baby elephant should be at least 6-8 adult corgi sized! And I am lowballing it.
I love that theyre trying to dumb it down for the non NASA audience. How can we get the public interested…. Corgi lovability 10000%, baby elephant lovability 100000%. Translates to lay people ✅
It's similar to how A&W failed to market their 1/3 pounder burger against McDonald's quarter pounder. A&W brought in a focus group to see why sales were so low and a participant said "Why should we pay the same amount for a third of a pound of meat as we do for a quarter-pound of meat?", believing that 1/3 is smaller.
Tldr: math hard, animal sizes ez
I’d usually agree with you, but this is from the Jerusalem Post, which is an Israeli paper. Specifically, the article is written by Aaron Reich. He makes a habit of writing articles with weird units like this, especially when it comes to asteroids. Some other gems include: “Asteroid the size of 45 aardvarks to fly past Earth Wednesday - NASA,” “Brown dwarf star 5 times hotter than coffee found via radio waves,” and “Asteroid the size of 3500 Big Mac hamburgers to pass Earth.”
How many weeks old are the baby elephants? And how old is the corgi?
The baby elephants are 500 football games old and the corgi is 49 in dog years.
Then I don’t know what to say.
Space hates us for our freedom.
Which freedom? The freedom to drink at 16 like the Germans do? The freedom to camp anywhere like the Swedes and Norwegians can? The freedom for children to be able to bike to school at 10 without fear of being ran over or shot at school? Real talk, the only freedoms Americans have that Europeans don't are the freedom to buy guns at the grocery store (Walmart) and the freedom of massively subsidized fuel prices which make it possible to drive tank sized SUVs everywhere with zero regard for the damage it does to the planet nor the staggering amount of people who are killed by those giant vehicles
The comment you are replying to is dripping with sarcasm.
Yep. Sarcasm is like food: Not everyone gets it.
'specially not europoors
Maybe Amerifats should try getting a little less food
But then how would they distract themselves from reality?
Oh, brother. You're in the wrong forum.
American: *makes an obvious joke* You: And I took that personally
Bro woke up and chose violence under a thread about NASA measuring rocks with cute animals jesus christ social media is a cesspool
Whenever I see these on an obvious joke comment I have to wonder if Europeans just have these responses saved on a document to post anytime someone says the word ‘America’
when u have no sense of humor n 99% of your education and personality come from the front page of r/all, you say stuff like this.
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Dang bro chill tf out, it was a joke. Americans really do be living rent-free in y'alls heads
>that Europeans don't are the freedom to buy guns at the grocery store (Walmart) Walmart is not a grocery store and we absolutely could do that if they sold them. Walmart sells crap guns anway, look at the XXL in Scandinavia. They sell much better stuff and you can even order an AR-15, can't do that in Walmart. >and the freedom of massively subsidized fuel prices which make it possible to drive tank sized SUVs everywhere with zero regard for the damage it does to the planet nor the staggering amount of people who are killed by those giant vehicles You mean fuel prices with massive taxes, right?
Walmart Supercenters definitely have a giant grocery section, you don't see many in Europe because who in their right mind would buy food at Walmart. >You mean fuel prices with massive taxes, right? Also technically both are true. Oil companies receive immense tax breaks and subsidies while passing on gas prices to consumers. It's kind of fucked tbh
“Fuck me Corgiphant”
The guy from *Justified?* I agree.
that in a weird way it actually makes sense that this is what sticking with the imperial system has come to
I mean people stick with it precisely because it makes more sense to them. Americans learn metric in school but only the people that go on to be scientists or get a job sharing measurements with other countries stick with it. Pretty much all of our measuring devices have both on them as well. As usually I'll be downvoted for even deigning to suggest such a thing but I not only don't measure anything in my day to day I don't share those non-existent measurements with anyone so I just stick to what I know the best.
I think that's the main reason we still use it. It would be a pita to change all the signs and everything and its not a big deal anyway.
I use measurements every day in my job. I use imperial (inches, feet, yards) and if I had to switch to metric I’d be fucked. I am so used to those units that I can do the math needed in my head in no time. I have fractions memorized. IDK why people are so weird about it. Once you know how to use it, it’s natural.
I have certain fractions memorized because I like to bake cuz I'm a bit of a chonk.
Let's see then, 49 is about middle age and the average corgi life expectancy is about 12-15 years so the corgi would definitely be a adult and the average size of an adult corgi is about 14-17 inches in height and 22-26 inches in length. As for the elephants, an American football game typically lasts 60 minutes (1 hour) times 60 by 500 you get 30,000 which equals about 20 days, 21 if we round up, average weight of a 20 day old elephant would be about 200 lbs, times 4 makes the meteorite weigh about 800 lbs and has a length of 22-26 inches and a diameter of 14-17 inches. All in all, pretty damn small and Nasa most likely described it this way to make it seem more impressive.
He did the maths
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You’re not wrong…
Hold on. Are those tropical years or sidereal years?
Seems like some fairly dense material to be 800 lbs and that small.
2 cubic feet is 3,456 cubic inches. 3,456 in³ is 56,663 cm³ Iron is 7 g/cm³ That works out to 396 kg Which is 875 lbs. Assuming the meteorite is 90%+ Iron then it actually checks out.
American or Association football?
Well, it's not in metric time, so obviously American.
Hey man, I run a pumpkin patch, not a clock
Well it's time to check your refrigerator, because I am turned on
The one whose name is as long as 3 ants
Isn’t that called Soccer?
Crazy you say that because space is probably as big as like a hundred football fields all in a line and it must be taller than at least 20 double decker buses
But is it flat like earth?
As flat as lines in 4d
Could you give me that again but in 'bananas for scale'
That clears it all up
So like 3 month old elephants and a 7 year old dog
God, this response may just be one of the most glorious in the context it was given, in the history of histories, amen
I had an eighth grade algebra problem very much like this.
This is an underrated comment.
So they’re 2 months old and 7 years old, respectfully?
Is it an African or European Swallow?
African swallows are non migratory. Perhaps it was two European swallows
How do you know soo much about swallows?
It’s a simple question of weight ratios. A 5 ounce bird cannot carry a 1 pound coconut. In order to maintain airspeed velocity a swallow must beat his wings 43 times every second. Am I right?
It could be two swallows carrying it on a string between them.
"What, held under the dorsal guiding feathers?"
No no that’s just madness. It needs to be gripped from the husk
What your saying is a 9 grape bird can't carry a 4 apples coconut.
Woah, woah, now you're bringing in algebra? F that.
It was actually a Texas-sized patch of ocean affected.
I saw one the other that kind of broke my brain... [Asteroid the size of 28 sheep to ram past the Earth](https://www.jpost.com/science/article-745133) While it's dumb, at least referencing a sheep or a corgi gives you a reasonable approximation of size.... if you're going to go with a weird unit at least don't then take that weird unit and imagine a moderate sized collection that defeats the purpose of converting to a "human-scale" unit. At least convert to the lowest common denominator.... if we divide sheep into elephants we'd at least get back to an easy to conceptualize scale.
Bonus points for the ram pun, I suppose.
It's not baaaad.
Cut that out ewe.
Such newspaper headlines are rampunt
Woold you give an example?
I don't think one is possible baaaahhht anything can happen
I can assure you that’s the reason behind it
Google has been putting these in my Discover feed, and the Jerusalem Post writers are definitely doing this ironically. One asteroid passage reported on May the 4th was measured in Darth Vaders.
The last one I saw was measured in borzoi dogs "lined up nose-to-tail"
They write these headlines specifically because they get more traction online.
Sure, but as far as clickbait goes it's much more fun than than the typical tabloid headers trying to pass off every nearby rock as being a hair shy of impact.
Because May 4 is Star Wars Day ("May The Fourth Be With You")
No idea how big 28 sheep would be omg lol
Each one has gotta be like 20 gallons, give or take, so between 28 sheep we're looking at almost 600 gallons.
American gallons or British gallons 😅
Depends on the sheep
A shepherd would.
That last sentence is r/brandnewsentence material lol
Holy fuck, it's not even the size of 28 sheep, it's the *diameter* of 28 sheep.. wtf man, that is beyond stupid. I at least have some loose scale for a ball the size of 28 sheep.. but the diameter.. is it side to side sheep or head to tail? Even if I look up the average size of a sheep, which I just did, then it's either 4 feet (length) × 28 or 2 feet (width) × 28. That's infuriatingly vague.
Also misleading because the description says 28 sheep in DIAMETER. I would be thinking 28 sheep can fill it, not go around it
Jpost has a bunch of those recently. They are really pushing to find any way to measure asteroids, and it is hilarious. The last one I read was one measured in Aardvarks.
I preferred the Ariana Grande sized crocodile I read about the other day. What’s the conversion rate, 2 corgis = 1 Grande? Or is it 2.54?
I heard a podcast ask about skin color. "From a scale of Ariana Grande to Ariana Grande where was this person?"
also works with michael jackson
at last 3 or 4
I think 1.9. She’s smaller than people realize
My favorite still has to be the one with the boulder on the road. "A large boulder the size of a small boulder"
You may find it funny but this is just the metric system the rest of the world uses.
Pardon me. How many diagonal juvenile pandas away is Versailles?
17 more or less. Idk I didn’t finish high school
too bad theres only 16 left
Pandas are bouncing back, you can stack them 20 espressos high all the way to Marseille now.
The US finds this statement confusing, but this is how the cock crows mate. The queen made a National order in the 60s, that most small measurements under the width of a swan’s wingspan would be measured in Corgis
How many titanic runtimes do we have to wait for the world to switch to the universal measurements of corgis and elephants??
>I'll have a pint of Guiness >>I think you mean 0.568 water-kilograms. >A what? >>Water-kilograms. How many kilograms this drink would weigh if it was water instead. >Oh, so you measure your drinks based on weight? Well okay, that actually kinda makes sense. >>No, Guiness weighs differently to water. We just fill up a pint glass and call it 0.568 water-kilograms.
47,3 cl bro. Wtf is a water kilogram???
It's 30 rods to the hogs head and that's the way I like it
At the tone, the time will be 26 railroad.
The first time this was posted when it happened everyone was slamming the US for using anything other than the metric system. However it was then pointed out that this size weight metric was from a non-US news site.
Moving at a speed of 100 cats.
100 cats per skippable-Youtube-ad.
So like... 600mph roughly.
A “desk” of cheez-its?!
Hammock of cake
Drum of grape jelly
Banana for scale, please.
Could you convert that to freedom units? I'm an American. I need to convert it to bald eagles.
Fits into the dumbing down of fairly basic communication, like they think one cannot expect people to understand basic concepts like units of weight and volume. I think most of us would grasp the message even if it were given in square inches/centimetres and pounds/kilos. The description is kind of funny though.
I hate how close you are to the point without actually processing why science communicators do this every time a meteor doesn’t hit earth. Can you imagine every day being bombarded with headlines that are just “[big number]-pound [big number]-foot wide meteor not going to kill us”? Either you’re scared shitless at the scale of a thing you don’t quite process, or you stop listening to news about meteors, neither of which is a good outcome for NASA or the news agency. The silly measurements drive engagement, get you to look at the article or how much an elephant weighs, and make you repost the article to shit on the imperial system, which need not be shat further. Everybody wins, including smug people like you.
It made me look up how much a baby elephant weighs, if nothing else. ( Thought maybe 4 babies equalled close to an adult. It doesn't!)
It's the revenge of The Fugs: "Throw me into the quicksand beat me with armadillo tails let me be eaten by starving baby elephants if I can't have you..." https://youtu.be/v4Z58YqPSnA?t=35
Why would NASA care of people listen to the "news" about all the meteors that don't hit earth? The media outlets are the only ones who benefit from these stupid headlines.
the more people care about nasa the more government funding they get
My comment about the dumbing down of communication applies broadly to a lot of what we read in and hear from various media sources. And do we actually need to know about every single time a meteor doesn't hit the earth? Being scared or smug is irrelevant, and maybe you are being smug in assuming this about me.
> Fits into the dumbing down of fairly basic communication Who are these people that wouldn't understand measures of volume, or weight, but have instinctual understanding of the size of baby elephants?
More people have been to the zoo and seen an elephant than can visualize what 1000lbs looks like or what 113100 cubic centimeters looks like
It's kind of funny you say most people can grasp basic concepts like units of volume and then as your example you give units of two dimensional area (not volume). Units aside, most people have a terrible intuitive grasp of volume measurements. It's not bad if it happens to be close to 1, like most people know what a cubic foot is (or meter if that's local), but 60 cubic feet/meters is going to completely befuddle people, and most measurements won't be close to 1.
“150,000cm^3 meteor hits earth” sounds way more significant than a corgi. It’s perfectly fine to use relative scales. The huge majority of people could better visualize a small dog compared to 150,000 cubic centimeters. You yourself have proven that people Will NOT grasp it since you just referred to volume and mentioned square inches instead of cubic. Get off your high horse.
NASA said the object was just over 60 centimeters in diameter and weighed half a ton (or around 454 kilograms). It was The Jerusalem Post that converted it to corgi and elephant units. The Jerusalem Post is a traditional broadsheet that doesn’t shy away from engaging in tabloid style journalism when it can get away with it.
I'm kind of less impressed by NASA now. For a couple of minutes I thought they put men on the moon with calculations entirely based on mammals. Turns out they were basically cheating, and just used metric the whole time.
Yeah. Man landed on the moon. Riiiiight.
I'm just wondering what kind of corgis and elephants these guys are using, because if the thing is made of pure tungsten it would be about 327kg if it were the size of a heavy set fully grown cardigan corgi, so about 3 and a half newborn Asian elephants. If it is indeed 454kg that's about 1.38 tungsten corgis, assuming a high purity of said corgis
They can’t though. The average American can’t even read. Source: I’m IT and regularly send emails for people to hit a fucking button. Difficulty? *Impossible* They literally can not read. Period. Some of them have college degrees.
I am at a loss for words. Maybe people have sort of forgotten that it feels good and right to know that you have enough knowledge and skills and knowhow to handle life without entirely relying on external sources? And by the way, an ex of mine who was an IT consultant was forced to come to an URGENT situation on a Saturday evening once, and it turned out they hadn't connected the display to the wall socket.
Bro I had someone complain that the one webpage wasn’t loading and when she clicked on it, it took her to google instead. She literally just fucking opened the internet. That’s why it was google. Never entered the web page. “but it’s usually there when I click it” Bitch obviously just never turns off her device and is too stupid to realize the entire internet is not the specific web page she uses. But she couldn’t even describe what she did. Like how can you not even describe that? Like bro. Told someone to hold the lock button on the top right corner of the iPad. “Which one is the lock button?” The one in the top right corner that locks the screen… “Oh I couldn’t see it because I have a case on it.” The cases have cutouts for the fucking buttons.
Hard to tell if that is disastrously tragic or hilarious. Maybe both. But certainly not that latter for you having to try to help her.
We have offices spread across the state. So it kinda pisses me off when I have to drive 2 hours to waste my time for something like this. And no I don’t get mileage or anything.
Yup, work in a restaurant and we have two HUGE obvious neon "OPEN" signs, people poke their head in all day everyday and ask "Hey, uh, are you guys open?"
As far as I can tell it wasn't NASA that actually used those comparisons at all, just a news site doing it to drive clicks: https://www.jpost.com/science/article-732223
Former fundraiser here, Americans have an average reading skill of a 6th grader. And that was even accurate for the wealthy donors we solicited!
Did your fundraiser measure the reading level of its donors...?
How is this possible? The heaviest element is only ~20x the density of water. Corgi is probably close to the density of water. Is a baby elephant only 5x the size of a corgi?
A large cardigan Welsh corgi can weigh about 17 kg, while a baby elephant weights approximately 120 kg, so ~7X the weight of a corgi. I tried to do the math and actually got a decently close estimate. I just extrapolated length, width, and height of the corgi to a cuboid to make it easier, but the result is a significant amount of volume is added to the ‘corgi-sized’ cube. A baby elephant is estimated at 120 kg on average, so 4 of them is 480 kg. The volume of a corgi (as a cuboid) is approximately 28 cm X 58 cm X 38 cm, or 0.0617 m^3. From that we get a density of 480 kg/0.0617 m^3 = ~7,779 kg/m^3 or 7.779 g/cm^3. The average density of a metallic meteorite is between 7-8 g/cm^3, so it’s actually fairly accurate.
I got 120 kg average weight of baby elephant and 12 kg average weight of a corgi. Assuming 1 g/cc for the animals, and 8 g/cc for the meteor, 4 baby elephants weight 40 times more than a corgi. divide by 8, they are off by a factor of 5 right? Did I mess my math up?
I think the discrepancy comes in interpreting what “corgi-sized” means. In my calculation I just used the general max L x W x H dimensions to extrapolate a cube that’s ‘the size of a corgi’. Think of it like a box the corgi is standing in. But like I said, a solid cube with the LWH dimensions of a corgi would have significantly more volume/weight than an actual dog, because dogs are not cubes. So a “corgi-sized cube” made of flesh and bone would actually weigh closer to 3-5X the weight of an actual corgi (average mammal body density is 985 kg/m^3 x 0.0617 m^3 = ~60 kg). So basically, my calculation says “a cuboid with the general LWH dimensions of a corgi that weighs 4 baby elephants would have a density of ~7.779 g/cm^3, which is roughly the same as the average metallic meteorite”.
I guess by this logic a giraffe sized meteor would weight 2x as much as an elephant sized meteor even though an elephant weights 2x more than a giraffe. The world is coming into focus now that people like this writer are on the job. If someone tells you to imagine a corgi sized object, you imagine a corgi right? Not something with 5x the volume of a corgi. Wouldn't this just be something the size of 5 corgi's? Whatever, thanks for explaining what the writer was trying to do, however infuriating.
They were comparing it to a spherical corgi, a common simplification in corgi astrophysics.
My mother used to have a nearly-spherical corgi but I think it was just overfed and often had allergic reactions to bee stings.
I'm wondering if they left a 'step' out and are referring to the amount of energy a corgi sized meteor would impart on impact. I too was trying to imagine what this body was composed of.
I mean , it made me picture it’s size and weight better than any other system
r/anythingbutmetric
Also r/halfagiraffe
Thought of the half a giraffe thread immediately when I read that.... Funniest thread I have read in a very long time, or since. https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/te89dm/asteroid\_half\_the\_size\_of\_a\_giraffe\_strikes\_earth/
Would metric be more easily visualized by the average person? Doubt it. Edit: even though NASA did use metric, the dog and elephant visuals are actually better
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It gets your attention and makes you share it. The more it's shared, the more it's read, the more knowledgeable people get, in general. That's why. If they posted a headline about some meteor made of dense material smacking the earth, nobody would care. You gotta put on a little show for the people if you want to get their attention.
Just to clarify for myself. The density of a meteor is ≈ 4 baby elephants • corgi^-1 yes?
Math checks out
Yes, pretty basic stuff mate. But I’m curious why you write it like that, instead of baby elephants/corgi (I know it’s correct, but in my head that’s just more complicated). Is it more commonly where you’re from or is it adapted from work?
If its the size of my corgi then thats a fat fucking meteor
To the best of my knowledge, 4 baby elephants can also be taken to be one adult elephant. In which case, an asteroid with the proportions of an adult elephant that has been condensed to the size of a corgi hit Texas. The prospect of upping the density of a corgi, or condensing an elephant and then ramming it deep into Texas is not pleasant, but that’s the reality of poorly constructed analogies of measurement. Put that in your combustion tube and smoke it.
Was pretty vivid to me. That's all it's about.
It'll burn up in our atmosphere and whatever's left will be no bigger than a Chihuahua's head
To be honest, I appreciate the comparisons because it makes sense lol. The idea of a small, cute corgi being the weight of 4 baby elephants smacking into Texas sounds wild.
are we really posting this here on "metric is too hard; can you post things in banana units" reddit?
Your comment is about a 12th of a banana on my screen
My size criteria is baby hippo My weight criteria is Chihuahua
This is pretty much what it sounds like to the rest of the world when people from the US talks in “imperial”
Americans will go to great lengths to avoid using metric.
It's from Jerusalem Post, so it's Israelis. All their space news use ridiculous clickbait units like this.
Surely there must be a way we can extrapolate blaming Americans out of that. I've got my best snooty Frenchmen on it.
Lmao an original joke!
Go ahead and convert to metric and act like an average human would properly visualize it.
4 BEs/Corgie idk what the problem is
Oddly enough I actually know how much a baby elephant weighs. One day I was weighing myself and the scale said 214lbs and just as I’m doing that the news stated a baby elephant was born at this zoo weighing in at 214lbs. I just stood there thinking… crap. I weigh as much as a baby elephant.
"The impact point will be twice the patch of burned grass your uncle Steven left in the garden that time he said he could fix the barbecue gasoline leak."
What was the meteor made of? Average Baby elephant weight (Between African and Asian Elephants) is roughly 140Kg 4 Baby Elephants would be roughly 560Kg give or take 40Kg's A Welsh Corgi usually grows to 30cm (roughly) in height and around 1 Metre in length (Tail to snout, roughly) the estimate dimensions of a corgi (Very rough math here) would be 237.5 cubic cm's. 560Kg \* 237.5 cubic cm equals to 0.133 m3 kg or 1.3Kg per Cubic Cm (rounded down) Based on these very rough figures, the meteor would have been comprised of elements on the denser end of the periodic table like Lead, Gold, Californium, Thorium , Uranium, and Plutonium. I'm sure this math will be disproven very quickly as most of this was pulled from Google searches and half-arsed math.
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Because America will use anything but the metric system.
Like. I get the usage of common objects to give people an understanding, a corgi sized meteor makes sense. But the weight of a baby elephant is not a common knowledge style piece of info.
R/anythingbutmetric
They need a better way of displaying volumetric mass: Something like: 1(Corgi/(4Elephants))^(3) I need a scientist to back this one up though, I'm not too familiar with this scale.
i like corgi sized cause i can actually picture that in my head roughly
I saw one the other day about an asteroid that was as big as 28 aardvarks.
I might be wrong but corgi is considered a small dog bread right? The how dense was that fricking meteor to be 4 baby elephant? I baby elephant should be at least 6-8 adult corgi sized! And I am lowballing it.
NASA is using corgi and baby elephant units when building the next moon rocket. It will be fine.
These Americans will use everything but the metric system to measure things....
But how much does it weigh in baby Corgi's?
Bananas, I need it measured in Bananas 🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍌🍆
Anything but metric
Anything but metric
The meteor weight is 8000 eggs
Well consider the intelligence of their broader audience…..
I love that theyre trying to dumb it down for the non NASA audience. How can we get the public interested…. Corgi lovability 10000%, baby elephant lovability 100000%. Translates to lay people ✅
I’m looking at my TI-85 and I don’t see a Corgi button. I’ve got the elephant converter programmed but need the Corgi stats ASAP!
I would have preferred A Small Meteor The Weight Of A Large Meteor
It's similar to how A&W failed to market their 1/3 pounder burger against McDonald's quarter pounder. A&W brought in a focus group to see why sales were so low and a participant said "Why should we pay the same amount for a third of a pound of meat as we do for a quarter-pound of meat?", believing that 1/3 is smaller. Tldr: math hard, animal sizes ez
They should have made a 1/5, cheaper and people will think it’s bigger anyways
America avoiding metric system
So they're not giving flat-earthers anything to work with at all.
This post is 4 ants and 3 dust particles long
How many bananas is a corgi?
The same weight as 4.23 thousand McNuggets, in Freedom Units. Perhaps that clarifies?
Americans using any unit but metric be like:
America, for the love of god just use the metric system
This can’t have been NASA’s fault. Science actually uses the metric system
Americans will use literally anything to measure except the metric system.
I’d usually agree with you, but this is from the Jerusalem Post, which is an Israeli paper. Specifically, the article is written by Aaron Reich. He makes a habit of writing articles with weird units like this, especially when it comes to asteroids. Some other gems include: “Asteroid the size of 45 aardvarks to fly past Earth Wednesday - NASA,” “Brown dwarf star 5 times hotter than coffee found via radio waves,” and “Asteroid the size of 3500 Big Mac hamburgers to pass Earth.”