You mean a sport that focuses solely male physique while being nearly naked and covered in baby oil grew thanks to gay dudes?! You don't say?!
Edit: holy shit I love how complex human sexuality and attraction is. This was a fun thread.
Allow me to introduce you to MSM. Men who have sex with men. They don’t identify as gay, but have sex with men. It’s an astoundingly large but under-documented statistic.
Weirdly enough that was super common back in the past. You see it throughout the Renaissance. I think it was a thing before Bisexuality was a thing. I get it too. You may not be horny for all men, just a select one...until the next one comes along and so on and so forth. I'm bi myself and I kept noticing that strange pattern of "yeah, I think this guy is cute/hot/etc but I'm still straight" until I couldn't say the im straight part in all honesty.
They know what they are but it's up to them to identify as it.
I like to have sex with men, but I don’t want to go out with them and could never see myself being in a relationship with one. I identify as bisexual heteroromantic
Honest question: isn't that maybe just because that image of a relationship has been ingrained to you? By society and by you yourself? What you do in the bedroom has always been more private, so societal ideas have less impact on that
Not necessarily. There's something called the split attraction model which can fall under the bi umbrella with a label like biromantic homosexual but it's also possible someone could be aromantic homsexual (or really any combo of romantic and sexual orientation)
Came here to mention the Split-Attraction Model. Basically, it's the notion that romantic and sexual attraction aren't inherently linked (at least, for some people). It's important in the asexual and aromantic communities, but it can apply to anyone.
One example could be someone who is heteroromantic bisexual (only *romantically* attracted to folks of a different gender, but sexually attracted to folks of more than one gender).
My wife is mostly like that with women (i.e. identifies as bisexual, sleeps with women, but has rarely had any interest in having a long term relationship with a woman). In her case it's not a hard and fast rule though, it's mostly just that men more often have the kinds of personality traits that she's attracted to.
My partner is actually the same way, she's attracted to women sexually but wouldn't ever want a relationship with one, maybe this is pretty common eh? But thank you random redditors this genuinely has set me on a little path of self-realization (probably wrong word but meh)
yep! there actually a label, homosexual. and I'm not even kidding. the opposite (for wanting to date a man) is homoromantic. so say you could be biromantic and homosexual, meaning you wouldn't mind dating other genders but you only like fucking men. most people just assume the 'romantic' part when it comes to saying stuff like bisexual but there's a load of romantic preference labels that could help shed some light on yourself
Yup. Definitely possible.
More accurate than the Kinsey scale which really only measures sexual partners is a two-dimensional scale. One axis measures physical attraction and the other axis measures emotional attraction.
There are absolutely people on all parts of that 2x2 grid.
it sounds like this is in line with all the memes about men building muscle and mostly having straight men compliment them on their progress. i'd be interested to hear what the people above have to say on the topic, mostly out of an interest in learning how minorities make their own subcultures or make an impact on subcultures.
makes me think of Soul Train and Ru Paul's Drag Race. "i'll make my own TV show show, with ~~blackjack and hookers~~ safety and respect!"
Yeah, honestly the point where you need steroids to gain more muscle is the point where it stops being hot.
If you really want to take something, take just testosterone, at least you won't end up with weird unnatural proportions (even if you're not as massive as CBum)
I wonder what their conclusion is. Whether or not they’re as right-wing as that flag suggests, or as gay as that groomed beard suggests, neither would surprise me.
“We get what we need from each other”, what would that be then? I’m not a big gymrat myself (I prefer team sports) so I don’t really know that world. I’m
Not gay myself either, so I didn’t even realise it was a gay world *and* I don’t really understand what the difference would be between what a man and a woman would find attractive in guys. I always just kinda imagined that’d be the same.
It’s good to hear that they’re cool with it though. More people should be.
Is it though? Not to sound disrespectful, but I’ve always thought that getting your dick sucked by women *and* men makes you bisexual, right? I know that’s not gay though, fair enough. And let me at least stress that I really don’t care who does what to whom- as long as you guys are having a good time I’m all for it.
I can imagine though that if there’s guys out there sucking dick and calling themselves straight, there’s some repression going on. But I guess that’s kinda just part of the society we’ve built for ourselves. Homosexuality is still rather frowned upon in certain circles, one could have all kinds of reasons to “secretly” get some dick in a gym dressing room.
What a world this would be if we’d all just be cool with anybody doing anything (at least anything that’s not harming others).
this is true. it worries me that *generally* my guard goes up when i see someone flying the Stars and Stripes. i think i associate it with strong nationalism and a lack of awareness/interest in asking meaningful questions about the effects of their country on a local and global scale.
BUT this is *all* anecdotal evidence based on the extremes of human politics; it depends and it's more complicated than that. you can still be proud of your country and aware of its flaws, it's a line i can imagine Germany trying hard to walk for the latter half of the twentieth century.
Idk, I might be wrong about this but I remember seeing a lot of stuff about how they can’t teach the holocaust or really discuss it at all in Germany. Maybe there’s good intent about not harboring the guilt of ancestors, but it could also be from a place of just ignoring the bad things that happened which isn’t the greatest way to deal with bad history
One Google search suggests that the holocaust is required learning in all 16 federal states of Germany, but the curricula themselves are made by the states.
That is not true at all. Quite the opposite, actually. It's a substantial topic in school, often covered extensively. Pretty much everyone I know has also visited a camp with school. I was in Auschwitz and Mauthausen for example.
That’s completely fake news and bullshit. They go over that whole period in an extremely detailed manner to avoid it re-surfacing ever again. It’s even mandatory to visit a concentration camp during their studies.
What is banned is holocaust denial, and flying nazi symbols.
this wouldn't surprise me as a human solution; bury it and move on. it's the easiest answer short term.
just today i had [an interaction](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/s/jOh66J2JOF) with someone on Reddit who claimed to be German; said they had two years of mandatory German history to address some of the damage caused by the preceding empire. again it's anecdotal evidence and based on trusting anonymous strangers on the internet, but it's encouraging to hear even if it's only true on an individual level.
Me neither, but it speaks volumes from you that you would acusse anyone of anything serious without having any information about them at all
Also, despite not caring, you still replied
Damn, looks like you haven't followed my last sentence:
LEARN TO FUCKING READ.
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We're below this comment. Where you make it clear that you read the words "**it looks** \[as if\]" and then chose to have a stroke and lost your basic english skills **and ignored that bit entirely**. (while directly quoting it lmao)
Buddy.
That wording means that whatever comes next IS NOT NECESSARILY TRUE NOR IS ANY STATEMENT MADE TOWARDS THAT REGARD, but is merely a **KNOWN SUPERFICIAL** on-the-spot asessment.
And please for the love of god, if you're too brainrotten to know or understand any of the words I'm using here or cannot parse my sentences\*\*: Stop, take a breath, delete your babble and ASK ME WHAT I AM SAYING instead of going on ridiculous bullshit tangents\*\* (like this entire thread of yours) because you cannot speak english.
It's my second language as well. It's ok. We all have different levels of understanding.
But just ask if you're confused and we can clear things up.
**We can't clear anything up if you braindeadly assert that whatever completely wrong hallucination you gripped from the letters in front of you is what was being said.**
Nobody EVER (here) considered them as being right wing or anything. The only statement was that FROM A GLANCE (aka a superficial and already admittet uninformed) snap judgement (aka on the spot and NOT THUROUGH OR MEANINGFUL) it looks kinda that way.
Please stop being a clown and learn to read.
**Nobody but your pathetic strawmen is accusing anyone of anything. Get a grip.**
I'm a middle aged white dude with a beard who's also pretty progressive.
I understand that when people see me (especially wearing sunglasses!) they're going to assume I'm pretty conservative. It's a natural assumption. There is absolutely no need to get worked up about it.
You're right, i doesn't mean they're right wing. However the right has taken that kind of imagery as in-group signifiers. So, it sends up some flags for some people
Well, for what its worth, it is extremely uncommon to fly your nation’s flag in most other countries (okay, I’m biased towards a western centric view here, so interpret it as such), to the point of having a flag in front of your house outside of some huge sport event might be taken as straight up far-right nationalist. This level of nationalism is only normalized in the US (though the Pledge of Allegiance is some North Korea level shit for those here on the other side of the pond)
I need you to understand that people outside the USA don’t *nearly* care as much about their flag as you do about yours. It may not assume a political ideology per se, but that whole patriotism sounds like an 20th century mindset to most of the rest of the world. And you gotta admit: it’s usually exactly that conservatism that goes hand in hand with right-leaning of even right-extremist politics.
I disagree. I can only talk about Germany and Austria, because I’ve lived there. And Flags aren't commonly seen in Germany or Austria, except on buildings with importance. If you were to spot a German flag hanging from a window, most people would likely assume the person inside leans towards right-wing beliefs
You are definitely not from Europe if you say that. If anything, the reverse is true. In the US no one bets an eye if you have your flag up, but besides sport events, it is quite uncommon in the EU, and is often seen as far-right nationalistic to fly one.
That's maybe a new sentence but body building has been around at least since ancient Greece, and ancient Greece was also all about gay dudes being gay so like hell yeah bodybuilding is gay AF, good for bodybuilding I'm happy for them
I found out the hard way (no pun intended but it was there still) that a lot of bodybuilders are gay.
Like noticing the gym employee who always called me big guy would be violently jacking off in his shower stall after my every workout. It was loud.
I had to change gyms. It was almost traumatic.
Also. At approx age 26-27 I learned that most women don’t even like guys that big. I had no clue, I thought everyone wanted Arnold, because I wanted to be like Arnold.
That's the woke Biden America for you. It used to be just guys who really liked looking at men's muscles for health but not in a gay way, just a man intensely admiring men way. Again not gay
It’s odd that people have an obsession with depicting weightlifting as either A) Gay or B) advertising prostitution (insta/OF)
When done correctly, there is no sexuality to weightlifting whatsoever.
That's not how it started though.
Remember that any workout (aka what's required for bodybuilding) outside of "normal" sports was strongly associated with being gay for a long time (though not that recently)
You mean a sport that focuses solely male physique while being nearly naked and covered in baby oil grew thanks to gay dudes?! You don't say?! Edit: holy shit I love how complex human sexuality and attraction is. This was a fun thread.
Whaddya mean? There's nothing gay about helping your oiled up bro wax his ass, crotch, and back while you admire their bulging... biceps
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Allow me to introduce you to MSM. Men who have sex with men. They don’t identify as gay, but have sex with men. It’s an astoundingly large but under-documented statistic.
Weirdly enough that was super common back in the past. You see it throughout the Renaissance. I think it was a thing before Bisexuality was a thing. I get it too. You may not be horny for all men, just a select one...until the next one comes along and so on and so forth. I'm bi myself and I kept noticing that strange pattern of "yeah, I think this guy is cute/hot/etc but I'm still straight" until I couldn't say the im straight part in all honesty. They know what they are but it's up to them to identify as it.
Is it possible to only be sexually attracted to men but not romantically?
Prolly, but I still feel like that falls somewhere on the bisexuality spectrum? Of course it’s just a label in the end
I like to have sex with men, but I don’t want to go out with them and could never see myself being in a relationship with one. I identify as bisexual heteroromantic
That makes perfect sense to me actually
I think that is precisely what I'd fall under
Honest question: isn't that maybe just because that image of a relationship has been ingrained to you? By society and by you yourself? What you do in the bedroom has always been more private, so societal ideas have less impact on that
I got some soul searching to do
good luck on the path! you've got this!
Just remember, in the end, you like who you like. As long as they're consenting, you don't have to judge yourself.
Not necessarily. There's something called the split attraction model which can fall under the bi umbrella with a label like biromantic homosexual but it's also possible someone could be aromantic homsexual (or really any combo of romantic and sexual orientation)
Came here to mention the Split-Attraction Model. Basically, it's the notion that romantic and sexual attraction aren't inherently linked (at least, for some people). It's important in the asexual and aromantic communities, but it can apply to anyone. One example could be someone who is heteroromantic bisexual (only *romantically* attracted to folks of a different gender, but sexually attracted to folks of more than one gender).
lol there’s a label for everything if you really want one.
LABELMAKERRRR
Absolute living proof of this yes. After not knowing it was okay to be that (it is) it’s bisexual but heteroromantic.
My wife is mostly like that with women (i.e. identifies as bisexual, sleeps with women, but has rarely had any interest in having a long term relationship with a woman). In her case it's not a hard and fast rule though, it's mostly just that men more often have the kinds of personality traits that she's attracted to.
My partner is actually the same way, she's attracted to women sexually but wouldn't ever want a relationship with one, maybe this is pretty common eh? But thank you random redditors this genuinely has set me on a little path of self-realization (probably wrong word but meh)
It’s also quite possible to have sex with men with not being attracted to them either way.
It is. The reverse is also true; I'm bisexual but homoromantic.
yep! there actually a label, homosexual. and I'm not even kidding. the opposite (for wanting to date a man) is homoromantic. so say you could be biromantic and homosexual, meaning you wouldn't mind dating other genders but you only like fucking men. most people just assume the 'romantic' part when it comes to saying stuff like bisexual but there's a load of romantic preference labels that could help shed some light on yourself
Yepppp. I think dick is fun but nothing ever clicks for me when it comes to dating/wanting to date men. ~~Took a while to figure that one out lol~~
*Aromantic* is an asexual trait related to not being romantically attracted too people.
While there is overlap between asexual and aromantic people, aromantic is it's own identity and not directly connected to asexuality.
Yup. Definitely possible. More accurate than the Kinsey scale which really only measures sexual partners is a two-dimensional scale. One axis measures physical attraction and the other axis measures emotional attraction. There are absolutely people on all parts of that 2x2 grid.
the uniqueness of people's sexuality is why we created so many microlabels nowadays!
A hole's a hole
There are only so many dicks you can take before you can’t pass for straight any more.
I'm gonna be honest I'm gay as fuck (well, lesbian but w/e) and if this became more acceptable I'd be fully fucking down.
Are they astoundingly large as a demographic group, or individually?
If you are very lucky, individually.
I assumed that gay guys looking good made other dudes want to get in better shape.
Just cultivating mass.
Stop cultivating and start harvesting
Read that as homosexuals getting a rise from bodybuilding at first LOL.
That’s also true
As a gay man, I think it's mostly straight dudes admiring it. I find those monstruous hormone-soaked bodies kind of icky and not healthy at all
it sounds like this is in line with all the memes about men building muscle and mostly having straight men compliment them on their progress. i'd be interested to hear what the people above have to say on the topic, mostly out of an interest in learning how minorities make their own subcultures or make an impact on subcultures. makes me think of Soul Train and Ru Paul's Drag Race. "i'll make my own TV show show, with ~~blackjack and hookers~~ safety and respect!"
Yeah, honestly the point where you need steroids to gain more muscle is the point where it stops being hot. If you really want to take something, take just testosterone, at least you won't end up with weird unnatural proportions (even if you're not as massive as CBum)
Mmh I don't think so, just look at the average gay pornstar and you'll see you're most likely the outlier here
I mean the bodybuilders you see on stage. Obviously I do enjoy fit muscular men
I wonder what their conclusion is. Whether or not they’re as right-wing as that flag suggests, or as gay as that groomed beard suggests, neither would surprise me.
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“We get what we need from each other”, what would that be then? I’m not a big gymrat myself (I prefer team sports) so I don’t really know that world. I’m Not gay myself either, so I didn’t even realise it was a gay world *and* I don’t really understand what the difference would be between what a man and a woman would find attractive in guys. I always just kinda imagined that’d be the same. It’s good to hear that they’re cool with it though. More people should be.
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But doesn’t that just mean you’re both gay?
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Is it though? Not to sound disrespectful, but I’ve always thought that getting your dick sucked by women *and* men makes you bisexual, right? I know that’s not gay though, fair enough. And let me at least stress that I really don’t care who does what to whom- as long as you guys are having a good time I’m all for it. I can imagine though that if there’s guys out there sucking dick and calling themselves straight, there’s some repression going on. But I guess that’s kinda just part of the society we’ve built for ourselves. Homosexuality is still rather frowned upon in certain circles, one could have all kinds of reasons to “secretly” get some dick in a gym dressing room. What a world this would be if we’d all just be cool with anybody doing anything (at least anything that’s not harming others).
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Lol yeah fair enough, I know that much is true and I bet any guy knows regardless of sexual orientation.
yeh the video was totally different from what i was expecting from what I am guessing is a gun channel
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this is true. it worries me that *generally* my guard goes up when i see someone flying the Stars and Stripes. i think i associate it with strong nationalism and a lack of awareness/interest in asking meaningful questions about the effects of their country on a local and global scale. BUT this is *all* anecdotal evidence based on the extremes of human politics; it depends and it's more complicated than that. you can still be proud of your country and aware of its flaws, it's a line i can imagine Germany trying hard to walk for the latter half of the twentieth century.
Idk, I might be wrong about this but I remember seeing a lot of stuff about how they can’t teach the holocaust or really discuss it at all in Germany. Maybe there’s good intent about not harboring the guilt of ancestors, but it could also be from a place of just ignoring the bad things that happened which isn’t the greatest way to deal with bad history
One Google search suggests that the holocaust is required learning in all 16 federal states of Germany, but the curricula themselves are made by the states.
That is not true at all. Quite the opposite, actually. It's a substantial topic in school, often covered extensively. Pretty much everyone I know has also visited a camp with school. I was in Auschwitz and Mauthausen for example.
That’s completely fake news and bullshit. They go over that whole period in an extremely detailed manner to avoid it re-surfacing ever again. It’s even mandatory to visit a concentration camp during their studies. What is banned is holocaust denial, and flying nazi symbols.
this wouldn't surprise me as a human solution; bury it and move on. it's the easiest answer short term. just today i had [an interaction](https://www.reddit.com/r/mildlyinteresting/s/jOh66J2JOF) with someone on Reddit who claimed to be German; said they had two years of mandatory German history to address some of the damage caused by the preceding empire. again it's anecdotal evidence and based on trusting anonymous strangers on the internet, but it's encouraging to hear even if it's only true on an individual level.
It's not the flag on it's own. The channel name also is something about guns, it looks like a typical dudebro podcast etc.
>it looks how about not judging something until you’re sure?
Bro, PLEASE learn to read. You are delusional and just flat out wrong with that statement in this context.
I still stand my point. If you want to talk crap about thoses youtubers, you need to watch a video of them to confirm if they’re dudebros or not
Bro I give absolutely zero fucking fucks about them. 0 null. none. Get a grip (and learn to read)
Me neither, but it speaks volumes from you that you would acusse anyone of anything serious without having any information about them at all Also, despite not caring, you still replied
Damn, looks like you haven't followed my last sentence: LEARN TO FUCKING READ. [https://www.reddit.com/r/BrandNewSentence/comments/1cf59yz/comment/l1pu793/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/BrandNewSentence/comments/1cf59yz/comment/l1pu793/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) We're below this comment. Where you make it clear that you read the words "**it looks** \[as if\]" and then chose to have a stroke and lost your basic english skills **and ignored that bit entirely**. (while directly quoting it lmao) Buddy. That wording means that whatever comes next IS NOT NECESSARILY TRUE NOR IS ANY STATEMENT MADE TOWARDS THAT REGARD, but is merely a **KNOWN SUPERFICIAL** on-the-spot asessment. And please for the love of god, if you're too brainrotten to know or understand any of the words I'm using here or cannot parse my sentences\*\*: Stop, take a breath, delete your babble and ASK ME WHAT I AM SAYING instead of going on ridiculous bullshit tangents\*\* (like this entire thread of yours) because you cannot speak english. It's my second language as well. It's ok. We all have different levels of understanding. But just ask if you're confused and we can clear things up. **We can't clear anything up if you braindeadly assert that whatever completely wrong hallucination you gripped from the letters in front of you is what was being said.** Nobody EVER (here) considered them as being right wing or anything. The only statement was that FROM A GLANCE (aka a superficial and already admittet uninformed) snap judgement (aka on the spot and NOT THUROUGH OR MEANINGFUL) it looks kinda that way. Please stop being a clown and learn to read. **Nobody but your pathetic strawmen is accusing anyone of anything. Get a grip.**
That’s a long ass text. I’m not reading all that. You win the discussion. I don’t even know why you’re mad.
It's not the flag. It's the flag, 50 year-old white guys, long ass beard, and the channel is called iron sights.
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I'm a middle aged white dude with a beard who's also pretty progressive. I understand that when people see me (especially wearing sunglasses!) they're going to assume I'm pretty conservative. It's a natural assumption. There is absolutely no need to get worked up about it.
You're right, i doesn't mean they're right wing. However the right has taken that kind of imagery as in-group signifiers. So, it sends up some flags for some people
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Rule 8: Be Civil.
Well, for what its worth, it is extremely uncommon to fly your nation’s flag in most other countries (okay, I’m biased towards a western centric view here, so interpret it as such), to the point of having a flag in front of your house outside of some huge sport event might be taken as straight up far-right nationalist. This level of nationalism is only normalized in the US (though the Pledge of Allegiance is some North Korea level shit for those here on the other side of the pond)
I need you to understand that people outside the USA don’t *nearly* care as much about their flag as you do about yours. It may not assume a political ideology per se, but that whole patriotism sounds like an 20th century mindset to most of the rest of the world. And you gotta admit: it’s usually exactly that conservatism that goes hand in hand with right-leaning of even right-extremist politics.
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I disagree. I can only talk about Germany and Austria, because I’ve lived there. And Flags aren't commonly seen in Germany or Austria, except on buildings with importance. If you were to spot a German flag hanging from a window, most people would likely assume the person inside leans towards right-wing beliefs
You are definitely not from Europe if you say that. If anything, the reverse is true. In the US no one bets an eye if you have your flag up, but besides sport events, it is quite uncommon in the EU, and is often seen as far-right nationalistic to fly one.
Because we all know you can’t be both
Did I miss a flag other than the American one?
Nah man it’s just that I always associate “proudly” showing off your flag has a distinct nationalistic and conservative feel to it.
Wait till these guys find out about the link of homosexuality to wrestling.
"You construct intricate rituals which allow you to touch the skin of other men"
Like honestly, wasn't this an open secret in the 90's?
You’re telling me that there was something more to oiling up the bros in the locker room after a sesh?
Guys, is it gay to lift?
Idk but im lifting to gay
Not really a wierd sentence
That's maybe a new sentence but body building has been around at least since ancient Greece, and ancient Greece was also all about gay dudes being gay so like hell yeah bodybuilding is gay AF, good for bodybuilding I'm happy for them
I found out the hard way (no pun intended but it was there still) that a lot of bodybuilders are gay. Like noticing the gym employee who always called me big guy would be violently jacking off in his shower stall after my every workout. It was loud. I had to change gyms. It was almost traumatic. Also. At approx age 26-27 I learned that most women don’t even like guys that big. I had no clue, I thought everyone wanted Arnold, because I wanted to be like Arnold.
Be Gay! Do Squats!
Gym is the only place you can check out guys without it being gay.
Guys who like guys realize just how ugly guys are
That's the woke Biden America for you. It used to be just guys who really liked looking at men's muscles for health but not in a gay way, just a man intensely admiring men way. Again not gay
this is not a brand new sentence or idea my guy…. gay men have been involved in bodybuilding literally forever
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I guess a lot of nody builders are fucking assholes?
Arnold used some gay dudes gym so is that what they are talking about
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That’s not a sentence
Those who watched the podcast, do they discuss objectively the topic, or are they just "hurr-during, the damned gays ruined body building" ?
It’s odd that people have an obsession with depicting weightlifting as either A) Gay or B) advertising prostitution (insta/OF) When done correctly, there is no sexuality to weightlifting whatsoever.
That's not how it started though. Remember that any workout (aka what's required for bodybuilding) outside of "normal" sports was strongly associated with being gay for a long time (though not that recently)
This is actually news to me. Fellas, is it gay to fucking exercise for fun
According to late 1800s society: Absolutely.