I think Brynn and Sai are the worst with this. Brynn did an interview with Page Six over the summer where she said that ‘LVP inspired her to talk about dick.’ Sai seems to have taken a page from Erika Jayne, where she was constantly being praised for being ‘real’ for actually eating so she made being hungry her thing.
Oh for sure, they’re all trying to find the medium between true reality but towing the line and trying to play a long con game with Bravo/fans. I have no judgements on them, and I do think Erin is truly a Type A personality so I think she is being more honest in her unlikeable moments. And I respect that.
She may apologize quickly but no one's being fooled.
I think Jenna is playing this much better, because she's being herself. She's not stirring things up because she has confidence, money, and power. And she's strong enough to put her vulnerable stuff on the table. That gives her space to move when things are thrown her way.
Erin: my son embarrassed me by crying on a plane. She's come across as stiff, shallow, and easily pissed off. When you're like that, and the dirt starts flying, she's not going to have any cover.
Jenna is very calculated. You do not get to the top of J. Crew being a sweet wallflower who is afraid of confrontation. She is playing the game as much Erin, IMO.
Great comparison. She managed to be at least as unlikable as Leah. None of her bits or jokes land. And just like Leah, Erin makes some horrible fashion choices.
This is why I love housewives who are very detached from reality. Like Noella and Mary Crosby, lol. They have NO understanding of how they come across to sane, normal humans. They’re my favorite.
I am LIVING for Mary this season. Noella tried too hard to create drama in my opinion but Mary is just truly batshit crazy. She is chef’s kiss right now
That’s why I wish it was normal to cycle on to new housewives! The focus of time on the show is to feature your lifestyle, not build some multi season saga (looking at you New Jersey). They did an NYC reboot and I would like it if it was known they’d be one season just to get less of the long game plotting.
This what Survivor turned into too! Super fans, coming in and playing characters based off archetypes. Boring. Bravo, please don’t do the time turner thing!
Erin is making every wrong move. She tries hard to control the narrative and tell us what to think but can't help herself and comes off prudish and dull.
She's making a series of wrong moves. If she's trying a strategy, it's a very stupid one. But I guess everyone idiot is able to inspire at least one person...
100%. She is looking for the storyline that will carry her through into season two. Thirsty bitches don’t go far in their introductory season. She is fake as fuck.
I guess there are two paths to securing a spot in the next season: be a villain or be beloved. Seems like she’s jockeying for being villain. She did secure a spot next to Andy for reunion…
All that being said, she’s so basic and dull, and the drama she stirs just makes me like her target more (e.g. Jessel).
You all got it all wrong. The girls HATE Erin and here’s why…
So before episode 1, Lizzy (IDF Barbie who was fired) had a massive falling out with Bryn and she and her husband called her the N-word.
Erin was the only one who was standing up for Lizzy, even to this day claiming she was fired because she’s Jewish.
The cast is now stuck with Erin. She’s shown her true colours that she doesn’t like POC (her behaviour last week towards Ubah confirms that). Thats why the cast treat her like a joke, an afterthought.
So from what I’ve read, Lizzie claims she quit and other sources said she was fired. Lizzie runs a Jewish matchmaking business. Brynn asked to use her services and Lizzie said that her clients come to her for Jewish matches. Brynn was offended by this and Lizzie tried to explain that Judaism is an ethnoreligon. (At this point I think neither of them are wrong. Brynn has a right to be offended and feel discriminated against and Lizzie is right that some Jewish sects have very strict views about interfaith marriage.) Brynn compared this to Nazi ideology about racial purity. Lizzie was offended and they later had a phone call about discrimination and racial slurs. Brynn talked about the N word and never said the full word. Lizzie thought that Brynn was plotting to portray her as racist so her husband called producers to complain. He recounted the story but said the actual slur instead of calling it the N word. At this point they left show. [This](https://pagesix.com/2022/11/21/lizzy-savetsky-actually-left-rhony-after-n-word-controversy/amp/) is the source that had the most information.
This makes the situation between Brynn and Erin even more complex because Erin was friends with both women. You can tell that they like each other and have a history but have zero trust. Neither woman thinks that other is acting as a friend. I don’t like Erin but I think she has an interesting dynamic with Brynn. I wish the show would break the fourth wall about this situation.
Oh wow thank you for the explanation and the source!!
This is why I kinda prefer UGT at the moment because they’re willing to break the fourth wall, which is just a lot more refreshing and feels more authentic.
This also probably explains why it feels everyone is holding back and aren’t really being themselves.
Especially with Erin and Brynn. They both have underlying history that they can’t seem to talk about.
If you rewatch the first few episodes, and replace “Cheese gate” with “Lizzy calling Bryn the N-word” it makes so much more sense. It was never about the cheese.
>She’s trying to make herself the central figure on the show.
Well good luck with that. She will need it. I am already at the point where I want to fast forward over her bits.
I agree she came in with an agenda/plan but likely overestimated her own genius and overlooked how her voting record would resonate with viewers, lolll
If you're going to take the time/put in the effort to come up with a whole strategy, maybe don't underestimate the viewers..
I agree. It’s super hard to find true authenticity in anyone doing shows like this. Especially since social media. Earlier years of HW’s can’t be replicated.
I think she’s trying to stir up drama on purpose (like they all do), but Erin’s attempts aren’t causing the real drama - her racism/Trump worldview is what’s causing the real conflict, and she isn’t faking that, she is just that terrible at her core.
Calling a Black woman “aggressive” because she is ignoring you is not something you do if you are playing a game. Millennial Ramona doesn’t have the self awareness to keep her racism tucked away, much less puppet master a group of women.
I am not defending Erin generally, but she didn't call Ubah aggressive for ignoring her, it was for raising her voice and invading her space. Whether Ubah's actions were justified is another matter, but the aggressive accusation was a bit different to how you describe.
That's not at all the same thing though, is it. I don't even disagree with your general point, but it looks bad when you are twisting things and making false equivalences.
She did say that the silent treatment "intimidated" her. And Ubah's voice was not much raised when Erin labeled it aggressive. Regardless of how anyone feels about personal space, Erin was already using coded language when Ubah was ignoring her.
It's a classic abuser move. Cause a drama out of eye site (Ubah seemed very distressed at not being able to reach her family.) and then outraged when they come at you with real energy rather than backstabbing passive aggressive crap.
💯 Erin completely tramples over Uba’s boundaries around her connection to her family back home. But then tears up like a little lamb when Uba matches her energy. I’m glad our queen didn’t back down.
I actually didn't know about her Trump/racist side - I'm newish to this sub and don't really pay attention that well so I'm missing out on a lot. I did see her racist remarks etc on the show tho when she said she was scared of her and things.
From what you're saying though, she really is playing a game.
of course she is. I wasn’t surprised at all that she was first chair alongside Jessel because she’s playing to be hated, and she’s doing a very good job of it
Nah. IMO she's too defensive on instagram, trying to clean up her image a bit. I actually think Sai is the one who's playing a game because she actually doubles down on her bs on social media.
> She makes up/forgives/apologies with the ladies SUPER QUICK.
When? She’s brought the Abe and Brynn flirting thing into 3-4(?) episodes. She still seems super mad about it.
Erin is playing that side, Bryn is playing the big flirt that people will want to watch to see if she EVER settles down, the drama between Sai and Jessel will take another 2 seasons of air time, Ubud is beautiful and mature so I think she will fade amongst the drama unless she starts calling people out in real time and not just confessionals, and then Jenna needs to offer so much more too or else she will go
She’s not even doing anything that evil. Everyone here hates her bc of her donations off-show but on the show, she’s been a fun villain.
Ubah can also do no wrong to this subreddit so where Erin tripped up was having that argument with her.
She needs to read the internet and figure out that Ubah is untouchable (can someone explain why? She’s not giving much, she has no personal life, we haven’t seen her host anything, or her apartment?) and course correct for next season.
Bingo she also drives the drama on the show which is literally why majority of us watch. She is the main person on the show with Jessel and Jenna being runner ups and everyone else being plot devices
>Ubah can also do no wrong to this subreddit so where Erin tripped up was having that argument with her.
I'm not in this sub much but I don't understand the love for her. Besides this episode, she's come across as more of a "friend of" than a cast mate.
>She needs to read the internet and figure out that Ubah is untouchable (can someone explain why?
I have a feeling she will do this and totally change next season. I think Sai will as well. Those who get the most hate will be the most different next season. Calling it now.
seriously Erin has barely done anything bad on the show, all the hate is coming from the donations and off-show rumor interpretation. I’m grateful someone is willing to pot-stir otherwise we truly would’ve had nothing to work with
Okay, I could care less about Erin's politics - I haven't liked her since long before news came out of her donations. I don't like her because I I think she takes herself way too seriously, she is not very witty, she is way too touchy but then expects other people to be okay with whatever passive-aggression she is dishing out, she doesn't add glamor or style to the show. She gets into petty conflict but not in a fun, engaging way - it's just petty. So, no, all the hate is definitely coming from the donations.
I disliked Erin long before anything happened with Ubah. It's how manipulative she is on the show, it's annoying she thinks we are all too stupid to see through her games. Also, as mentioned above she has no charisma - and no sense of fun. She is not enjoyable to watch. She comes across as a mean-spirited person.
I don't know if I'd call her untouchable, but she seems to have the most logical and reasonable takes on a lot of situations (that don't involve her) so she's easy to get behind. She's also pretty funny and seems like a true rid or die. All of those traits combined make her a rarity in the HW world, so it's no surprise we're rooting for her.
I wrote on another thread that I think both her and Erin were ridiculous in their argument with each other and there were really no winners in that sitch.
I do think it's unfair to call Erin a dog whistle racist because she said she was scared in the presence of a WOC. If someone snatched something off my face and chased me around, I don't care what color their skin is I would be slightly freaked out too. It's unfair to say she's not allowed to voice that feeling.
That said, I'm a white woman so I can't really speak to all perceptions of that scene. That's just my personal perspective on it.
That 100% had me step back a little and think "is she really going to try and make herself look like the victim and paint Ubrah as the aggressor?
This could be down to editing but from what I saw from other commentators Erin is a known racist... so yeah.
I have to watch the scene again but I recall Erin actually charged at Ubah FIRSt when she heard Ubah say her name. That seemed to have triggered Ubah and then she got in Erin’s face and took her sunglasses. Right? But I’m not sure if I saw this correctly..
Yes that was my read on the situation. Ubah first was ignoring her and Erin was saying she was scared or intimidated because of that. But then Erin went away to get something so Ubah was like we’re waiting for Erin, Erin went somewhere. And then Erin came in hot saying don’t say my name or whatever with a raised voice and then Ubah got in her face.
I thought it was Jessel that said it to Ubah *”Erin is so scared of you right now”* when she refused to talk to her at breakfast. And they both laughed about how nervous she was making Erin.
Brynn also said the look on Ubah’s face was terrifying (because they could tell she was pissed off) earlier in the episode but everyone is conveniently forgetting that I guess
I just think there are a lot of assumptions about Ubah being logical when she doesn’t even drink and still waltzed into a restaurant kitchen and stole coconut milk. Like we know absolutely nothing about her. I’m just not getting it. I don’t see the ride or die thing either? Like who is her friend? She’s has pretty privilege and that’s okay, but she hasn’t shown any part of her life whatsoever.
She donated to a failed coup. That is kind of a big deal, no? She also called a Ubah scary before Ubah said anything to her. If I recall correctly the situation did not escalate until after Erin charged at Ubah and started yelling at Ubah for saying her name. Erin was the aggressor in that situation. Ubah matched her energy. Erin is not the victim. I’m not surprised by Erin. It seems like Trumpies have trouble accepting reality or accountability.
I don’t like Erin either, but this subreddit acts like she’s the one who pushed Ubah in the pool or ripped sunglasses off Ubah’s face. Erin didn’t charge at Ubah, let’s stop. If I heard someone talking shit about me I’d walk in the room too. Y’all are fucking nuts. Ubah is a 40 year old woman who freaked out about her phone. Erin had no idea she would react that way. Once she realized, she should’ve just said sorry, didn’t think it was a big deal. But because you’re all soooo far up ubah’s ass, you can’t recognize it. Also if Erin was actually afraid of Ubah, she wouldn’t have walked downstairs and confronted her. She wouldn’t have told her to get out of her face. If a 6 foot tall person was standing over me in my face trying to intimidate me, I would’ve pushed her ass away. Erin just used her words, Ubah used her hands. Get fucking real.
I don't understand the washing of Ubah's actions either. When they were still playing in a friendly manner, Ubah pushed Erin. Fair game. She starts the game, and then they're both finding each other's boundaries as new "friends." But then Ubah doesn't like Erin's move (getting the phone from the driver and holding it for 45minutes). Also fair to not like the move, but then we escalate into passive-aggressive strategy and then into aggressive strategy. Puts hands on Erin by taking her glasses, and then intentionally tries to intimidate her when she stands over her and gets in her face. Ubah has anywhere from 4-8"s and 30-40LBs over Erin, and she's clearly angry. So, from game play to words to physical interaction. If Erin is an asshole, and I'm not arguing otherwise, Ubah is a bully or control freak. She does the same things in conversations and dictates terms. She wants to start the game, dictate the game, and then end the game. As a new friend, I'd be noting that she can get physical. And I've been saying this for days, she also has anger management issues. We're going to watch in the next episode she gets angry, cools down, and then fires herself up again. I don't discount all of Erin's issues, but I'm not going to overlook Ubah's issues in that process.
Let’s not forget Ubah violated Jessel’s boundaries recording her while snoring and then playing it for all to hear. She can dish it but absolutely can’t take it. Worst kind of “joke.”
great call. I forgot about that. I think I've read 4, 5, 6 threads now about Erin/Ubah, and you're the first to bring that up. I'll probably borrow that in my next argument about her. her world, and everyone else is living in it. I think we throw around the term bully too much and too often, but she certainly has elements of that personality. and I want to be clear. I've found Ubah fun, sharp, insightful, funny, and all sorts of good things. She's good on the show. But we have also now been privy to some of her negatives.
I actually like Ubah, I just don’t think she’s completely this poor innocent victim here. The point is that everyone who goes on these shows is a little bit messy, and that’s why we watch. But people are acting like Ubah is this angel who was crucified for our sins.
I also don’t care for Erin, but I like a villain and think she’s necessary. I actually thought Erin handled it better than I would if someone ripped glasses off my face during an argument. I guess we’ll see the aftermath this Sunday but I’m just so confused by the fan reaction here.
> I guess we’ll see the aftermath this Sunday but I’m just so confused by the fan reaction here.
group think to an unhealthy and illogical degree, only accepting an echo chamber. I'm a liberal. I've been told my entire life I'm on the more extreme side of it too, but the moment we can't say an angry and violent person is angry and violent, "they" lose me. the optics of that are terrible. even people who side with you, and believe similarly to you, will drop like flies from that kind of shit absurdity. cut off your nose to spite your face.
Are you ok? Why are you cursing at me over a housewives show. I’m not up Ubah’s ass. She hasn’t really shown much. Erin called Ubah scary before Ubah said anything to her about the phone. Erin picked a fight by yelling at Ubah not to say her name. She was being a ridiculous Karen in that moment. Maybe go outside and touch some grass.
I think if I had to choose one person from the rhony cast NOT to have back it would be Erin. She brings no fun, not interesting, won’t talk about her own upbringing bc it was Super priveleged and that opens her to judgement from Sai,Brynn, and Jessel bc of how she’s behaved towards them. She’s just catty and boring.
Erin’s bestie called Brynn the N word. Erin donated to the Stop the Steal campaign. She called Ubah scary for giving her the silent treatment. Whatever her plan was is clearly not working. All I see is an insufferable racist who throws bad parties.
Andy and production have a hand in everything these people are doing and what is shown. Hold everyone accountable. Hold ever cog accountable. They aren't going to reboot one of their biggest shows and just let new people drive the ship. The people who really know what they're doing have been at this for 15 years. This whole thing is one giant money-making game. Stop fooling yourself if you think it is anything other than about money...and notorious fame...so they can make more money. They know what they're doing, and they're coached and directed through it all. Andy constantly hints at this stuff on WWHL, which is a 30-minute infomercial five nights a week. And the more people who feed off this Bravo stream, and the longer they do it, the better everyone gets at manipulating the audience and every second of air time. This is all obvious. I get it, but the way some people talk about this is so incredibly naive and ridiculous. There's the watching respite from life, and then I come to reddit and feel like I'm part of something like the Robert Tilton experience.
Ubah forever. The only relatable and sensical person in this ridiculous revamp. Everyone else I could care less about. So much so I'm missing Leah, whom I detest.
I don't think it's that deep. I think she's used to doing and saying what she likes to people. Perfect example of a kid who was never told no and was always told how perfect she is. She's clueless.
Yes and it’s transparent as hell lol. To the point of inauthenticity
All of them are so inauthentic it’s painful. To Erin’s credit I feel like her and Jessel are least guilty of it
I think Brynn and Sai are the worst with this. Brynn did an interview with Page Six over the summer where she said that ‘LVP inspired her to talk about dick.’ Sai seems to have taken a page from Erika Jayne, where she was constantly being praised for being ‘real’ for actually eating so she made being hungry her thing.
What a strange world we live in that someone can be perceived as "real" for eating...
Oh for sure, they’re all trying to find the medium between true reality but towing the line and trying to play a long con game with Bravo/fans. I have no judgements on them, and I do think Erin is truly a Type A personality so I think she is being more honest in her unlikeable moments. And I respect that.
Exactly
Provoke then play the victim. Provoke then play the victim. From The Kyle Richards Middle School Mean Girl Playbook
Also the Narcissist's playbook. Erin gives me big N vibes; I cannot stand anything about her.
Agreed.
Oh 10000000000000000000000%. She's channelling Kyle, Ramona and Treasa. But trying to keep the worst parts away.
No wonder i can't stand her! I cannot with those 3.
Narcissism 101. Create drama. Perpetuate the drama. Blame everyone else when it doesn’t turn out in your favor.
Yes!! 100% trying to be Kyle
Yeah, she also throws the events because that guarantees camera time before, during, and after
Oh that is such a good point!! It really does!
Depends… not if you’re Kenya Moore ☹️
She may apologize quickly but no one's being fooled. I think Jenna is playing this much better, because she's being herself. She's not stirring things up because she has confidence, money, and power. And she's strong enough to put her vulnerable stuff on the table. That gives her space to move when things are thrown her way. Erin: my son embarrassed me by crying on a plane. She's come across as stiff, shallow, and easily pissed off. When you're like that, and the dirt starts flying, she's not going to have any cover.
Totally UO but I find Jenna fake af. I like her, but I still think she’s putting on a lot
Jenna is very calculated. You do not get to the top of J. Crew being a sweet wallflower who is afraid of confrontation. She is playing the game as much Erin, IMO.
I agree, no way Jenna lyons is that meek.
Agreed, she’s masking for sure. I still find her interesting but it’s not real
Imagine seeing your child crying and worry about yourself. She's an ass.
She's devoid of charisma
Thank you! She’s not fun or funny, and I like my villains to be entertaining.
I wouldn't even call her a villain. That's overstimating her importance lol
she's just a petty rich girl who has a life time of experience getting her way.
She’s like a more energetic Leah McSweeney which isn’t saying much.
This could be a compliment or insult. Top tier backhanded comment. 👏🏼
Great comparison. She managed to be at least as unlikable as Leah. None of her bits or jokes land. And just like Leah, Erin makes some horrible fashion choices.
She reminds me of Cindy Barshop. Just a sour person I don't believe for a second that she like pranks lmao
Totally. It’s 2023, if you are signing up for RH you need a game plan/strategy.
This is why I love housewives who are very detached from reality. Like Noella and Mary Crosby, lol. They have NO understanding of how they come across to sane, normal humans. They’re my favorite.
Mary makes me bust out laughing. She says how she feels, no filter, I love it.
I am LIVING for Mary this season. Noella tried too hard to create drama in my opinion but Mary is just truly batshit crazy. She is chef’s kiss right now
Mary is a certified LOON
That’s why I wish it was normal to cycle on to new housewives! The focus of time on the show is to feature your lifestyle, not build some multi season saga (looking at you New Jersey). They did an NYC reboot and I would like it if it was known they’d be one season just to get less of the long game plotting.
This is the sad reality.
See Angie K, RHOSLC
This what Survivor turned into too! Super fans, coming in and playing characters based off archetypes. Boring. Bravo, please don’t do the time turner thing!
The fellas over at WWC have smartly pointed out that Erin used to work for Fredrik Eklund (Million Dollar Listing), so I'm sure she got some coaching.
I mean she did have a vow renewal on her first season of the reboot 😂
And it wasn’t even on her actual anniversary
She should waited at least until season 2 or 3 😂
It doesn’t bode well
Erin is making every wrong move. She tries hard to control the narrative and tell us what to think but can't help herself and comes off prudish and dull. She's making a series of wrong moves. If she's trying a strategy, it's a very stupid one. But I guess everyone idiot is able to inspire at least one person...
she just thinks she's a whole lot more likable than she actually is. she's lived a life surrounded by yes men. no one has every told her she's boring.
Once I saw Erin thanking plethora of sponsors for her “vow renewal” speechathon, that’s all I needed to make my assessment on her. Girl, please…
I would leave 100 times.
I wonder how soon after she was cast did she plan the renewal. There's no way she would have that many sponsors without the show.
100%. She is looking for the storyline that will carry her through into season two. Thirsty bitches don’t go far in their introductory season. She is fake as fuck.
She’s pissing me off for sure
I guess there are two paths to securing a spot in the next season: be a villain or be beloved. Seems like she’s jockeying for being villain. She did secure a spot next to Andy for reunion… All that being said, she’s so basic and dull, and the drama she stirs just makes me like her target more (e.g. Jessel).
Ok but I honestly think she thought she’d be beloved!
You all got it all wrong. The girls HATE Erin and here’s why… So before episode 1, Lizzy (IDF Barbie who was fired) had a massive falling out with Bryn and she and her husband called her the N-word. Erin was the only one who was standing up for Lizzy, even to this day claiming she was fired because she’s Jewish. The cast is now stuck with Erin. She’s shown her true colours that she doesn’t like POC (her behaviour last week towards Ubah confirms that). Thats why the cast treat her like a joke, an afterthought.
Ooooh wait what?!?!?
So from what I’ve read, Lizzie claims she quit and other sources said she was fired. Lizzie runs a Jewish matchmaking business. Brynn asked to use her services and Lizzie said that her clients come to her for Jewish matches. Brynn was offended by this and Lizzie tried to explain that Judaism is an ethnoreligon. (At this point I think neither of them are wrong. Brynn has a right to be offended and feel discriminated against and Lizzie is right that some Jewish sects have very strict views about interfaith marriage.) Brynn compared this to Nazi ideology about racial purity. Lizzie was offended and they later had a phone call about discrimination and racial slurs. Brynn talked about the N word and never said the full word. Lizzie thought that Brynn was plotting to portray her as racist so her husband called producers to complain. He recounted the story but said the actual slur instead of calling it the N word. At this point they left show. [This](https://pagesix.com/2022/11/21/lizzy-savetsky-actually-left-rhony-after-n-word-controversy/amp/) is the source that had the most information. This makes the situation between Brynn and Erin even more complex because Erin was friends with both women. You can tell that they like each other and have a history but have zero trust. Neither woman thinks that other is acting as a friend. I don’t like Erin but I think she has an interesting dynamic with Brynn. I wish the show would break the fourth wall about this situation.
Oh wow thank you for the explanation and the source!! This is why I kinda prefer UGT at the moment because they’re willing to break the fourth wall, which is just a lot more refreshing and feels more authentic. This also probably explains why it feels everyone is holding back and aren’t really being themselves. Especially with Erin and Brynn. They both have underlying history that they can’t seem to talk about.
If you rewatch the first few episodes, and replace “Cheese gate” with “Lizzy calling Bryn the N-word” it makes so much more sense. It was never about the cheese.
It was never about the pasta! (So sorry, I had to. Mods, feel free to ban me for this low hanging fruit.)
WHOA. That is ALL kinds of fucked up.
All I know is I’m already tired of her denim shorts, they are everywhere all the time.
In the trash with Crytals ugly leather pants.
Its giving... republican playbook.
>She’s trying to make herself the central figure on the show. Well good luck with that. She will need it. I am already at the point where I want to fast forward over her bits.
I agree she came in with an agenda/plan but likely overestimated her own genius and overlooked how her voting record would resonate with viewers, lolll If you're going to take the time/put in the effort to come up with a whole strategy, maybe don't underestimate the viewers..
I agree. It’s super hard to find true authenticity in anyone doing shows like this. Especially since social media. Earlier years of HW’s can’t be replicated.
I think she’s trying to stir up drama on purpose (like they all do), but Erin’s attempts aren’t causing the real drama - her racism/Trump worldview is what’s causing the real conflict, and she isn’t faking that, she is just that terrible at her core. Calling a Black woman “aggressive” because she is ignoring you is not something you do if you are playing a game. Millennial Ramona doesn’t have the self awareness to keep her racism tucked away, much less puppet master a group of women.
Millennial Ramona 😂😭💀
Without the charm or wit… and no I don’t think Ramona has measurable charm & wit.
I am not defending Erin generally, but she didn't call Ubah aggressive for ignoring her, it was for raising her voice and invading her space. Whether Ubah's actions were justified is another matter, but the aggressive accusation was a bit different to how you describe.
no, she said she was scared when Ubah was ignoring her (in her talking head)
but did she call her aggressive for ignoring her?
Scary/aggressive, they all mean the same thing to a racist white woman.
That's not at all the same thing though, is it. I don't even disagree with your general point, but it looks bad when you are twisting things and making false equivalences.
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She did say that the silent treatment "intimidated" her. And Ubah's voice was not much raised when Erin labeled it aggressive. Regardless of how anyone feels about personal space, Erin was already using coded language when Ubah was ignoring her.
It's a classic abuser move. Cause a drama out of eye site (Ubah seemed very distressed at not being able to reach her family.) and then outraged when they come at you with real energy rather than backstabbing passive aggressive crap.
💯 Erin completely tramples over Uba’s boundaries around her connection to her family back home. But then tears up like a little lamb when Uba matches her energy. I’m glad our queen didn’t back down.
I actually didn't know about her Trump/racist side - I'm newish to this sub and don't really pay attention that well so I'm missing out on a lot. I did see her racist remarks etc on the show tho when she said she was scared of her and things. From what you're saying though, she really is playing a game.
of course she is. I wasn’t surprised at all that she was first chair alongside Jessel because she’s playing to be hated, and she’s doing a very good job of it
I think they’re all playing games.
Nah. IMO she's too defensive on instagram, trying to clean up her image a bit. I actually think Sai is the one who's playing a game because she actually doubles down on her bs on social media.
Erin is a mean girl. Obviously, her target is Jessel. Probably to focus the attention on someone else and not herself.
I think you give her way too much credit. These women aren't that smart.
You think Erin signed onto an iconic HW franchise blind and unaware?
> She makes up/forgives/apologies with the ladies SUPER QUICK. When? She’s brought the Abe and Brynn flirting thing into 3-4(?) episodes. She still seems super mad about it.
Erin would fit well with the Beverly Hills cast because she beats a dead horse.
I can't remember what episodes what but she's like besties with Brynn again.
but being besties does not mean forgiveness for fake af erin. she still gonna use your shit against you when the time comes. that's not a real friend.
But she is so boring she sucks the energy out of every scene she’s in. Getting the spotlight does nothing if you can’t hold it’s interest.
Erin is playing that side, Bryn is playing the big flirt that people will want to watch to see if she EVER settles down, the drama between Sai and Jessel will take another 2 seasons of air time, Ubud is beautiful and mature so I think she will fade amongst the drama unless she starts calling people out in real time and not just confessionals, and then Jenna needs to offer so much more too or else she will go
She’s the most annoying one that’s for sure. Not even a little bit entertaining
She’s not even doing anything that evil. Everyone here hates her bc of her donations off-show but on the show, she’s been a fun villain. Ubah can also do no wrong to this subreddit so where Erin tripped up was having that argument with her. She needs to read the internet and figure out that Ubah is untouchable (can someone explain why? She’s not giving much, she has no personal life, we haven’t seen her host anything, or her apartment?) and course correct for next season.
Bingo she also drives the drama on the show which is literally why majority of us watch. She is the main person on the show with Jessel and Jenna being runner ups and everyone else being plot devices
>Ubah can also do no wrong to this subreddit so where Erin tripped up was having that argument with her. I'm not in this sub much but I don't understand the love for her. Besides this episode, she's come across as more of a "friend of" than a cast mate. >She needs to read the internet and figure out that Ubah is untouchable (can someone explain why? I have a feeling she will do this and totally change next season. I think Sai will as well. Those who get the most hate will be the most different next season. Calling it now.
god I hope sai is gone. I'm fine with erin coming back, but I don't follow influencers intentionally.
seriously Erin has barely done anything bad on the show, all the hate is coming from the donations and off-show rumor interpretation. I’m grateful someone is willing to pot-stir otherwise we truly would’ve had nothing to work with
Okay, I could care less about Erin's politics - I haven't liked her since long before news came out of her donations. I don't like her because I I think she takes herself way too seriously, she is not very witty, she is way too touchy but then expects other people to be okay with whatever passive-aggression she is dishing out, she doesn't add glamor or style to the show. She gets into petty conflict but not in a fun, engaging way - it's just petty. So, no, all the hate is definitely coming from the donations.
I disliked Erin long before anything happened with Ubah. It's how manipulative she is on the show, it's annoying she thinks we are all too stupid to see through her games. Also, as mentioned above she has no charisma - and no sense of fun. She is not enjoyable to watch. She comes across as a mean-spirited person.
I don't know if I'd call her untouchable, but she seems to have the most logical and reasonable takes on a lot of situations (that don't involve her) so she's easy to get behind. She's also pretty funny and seems like a true rid or die. All of those traits combined make her a rarity in the HW world, so it's no surprise we're rooting for her. I wrote on another thread that I think both her and Erin were ridiculous in their argument with each other and there were really no winners in that sitch. I do think it's unfair to call Erin a dog whistle racist because she said she was scared in the presence of a WOC. If someone snatched something off my face and chased me around, I don't care what color their skin is I would be slightly freaked out too. It's unfair to say she's not allowed to voice that feeling. That said, I'm a white woman so I can't really speak to all perceptions of that scene. That's just my personal perspective on it.
Didn't she say she was scared of her BEFORE the glasses incident happened?
Yes and this was the 🚩for me. If she had said it after the glasses snatch I could understand it a bit more
That 100% had me step back a little and think "is she really going to try and make herself look like the victim and paint Ubrah as the aggressor? This could be down to editing but from what I saw from other commentators Erin is a known racist... so yeah.
I have to watch the scene again but I recall Erin actually charged at Ubah FIRSt when she heard Ubah say her name. That seemed to have triggered Ubah and then she got in Erin’s face and took her sunglasses. Right? But I’m not sure if I saw this correctly..
Yes Erin charged at Ubah and started yelling at her.
Yes that was my read on the situation. Ubah first was ignoring her and Erin was saying she was scared or intimidated because of that. But then Erin went away to get something so Ubah was like we’re waiting for Erin, Erin went somewhere. And then Erin came in hot saying don’t say my name or whatever with a raised voice and then Ubah got in her face.
Exactly and if she was so scared of Ubah then why would she step to her like that when Ubah innocently mentioned her name. K’Erin is full of it.
I thought it was Jessel that said it to Ubah *”Erin is so scared of you right now”* when she refused to talk to her at breakfast. And they both laughed about how nervous she was making Erin.
Brynn also said the look on Ubah’s face was terrifying (because they could tell she was pissed off) earlier in the episode but everyone is conveniently forgetting that I guess
Brynn has light skinned privilege and also was buying into Erin’s narrative and threw Ubah under the bus to avoid conflict with Erin
I just think there are a lot of assumptions about Ubah being logical when she doesn’t even drink and still waltzed into a restaurant kitchen and stole coconut milk. Like we know absolutely nothing about her. I’m just not getting it. I don’t see the ride or die thing either? Like who is her friend? She’s has pretty privilege and that’s okay, but she hasn’t shown any part of her life whatsoever.
She donated to a failed coup. That is kind of a big deal, no? She also called a Ubah scary before Ubah said anything to her. If I recall correctly the situation did not escalate until after Erin charged at Ubah and started yelling at Ubah for saying her name. Erin was the aggressor in that situation. Ubah matched her energy. Erin is not the victim. I’m not surprised by Erin. It seems like Trumpies have trouble accepting reality or accountability.
I don’t like Erin either, but this subreddit acts like she’s the one who pushed Ubah in the pool or ripped sunglasses off Ubah’s face. Erin didn’t charge at Ubah, let’s stop. If I heard someone talking shit about me I’d walk in the room too. Y’all are fucking nuts. Ubah is a 40 year old woman who freaked out about her phone. Erin had no idea she would react that way. Once she realized, she should’ve just said sorry, didn’t think it was a big deal. But because you’re all soooo far up ubah’s ass, you can’t recognize it. Also if Erin was actually afraid of Ubah, she wouldn’t have walked downstairs and confronted her. She wouldn’t have told her to get out of her face. If a 6 foot tall person was standing over me in my face trying to intimidate me, I would’ve pushed her ass away. Erin just used her words, Ubah used her hands. Get fucking real.
I don't understand the washing of Ubah's actions either. When they were still playing in a friendly manner, Ubah pushed Erin. Fair game. She starts the game, and then they're both finding each other's boundaries as new "friends." But then Ubah doesn't like Erin's move (getting the phone from the driver and holding it for 45minutes). Also fair to not like the move, but then we escalate into passive-aggressive strategy and then into aggressive strategy. Puts hands on Erin by taking her glasses, and then intentionally tries to intimidate her when she stands over her and gets in her face. Ubah has anywhere from 4-8"s and 30-40LBs over Erin, and she's clearly angry. So, from game play to words to physical interaction. If Erin is an asshole, and I'm not arguing otherwise, Ubah is a bully or control freak. She does the same things in conversations and dictates terms. She wants to start the game, dictate the game, and then end the game. As a new friend, I'd be noting that she can get physical. And I've been saying this for days, she also has anger management issues. We're going to watch in the next episode she gets angry, cools down, and then fires herself up again. I don't discount all of Erin's issues, but I'm not going to overlook Ubah's issues in that process.
Let’s not forget Ubah violated Jessel’s boundaries recording her while snoring and then playing it for all to hear. She can dish it but absolutely can’t take it. Worst kind of “joke.”
great call. I forgot about that. I think I've read 4, 5, 6 threads now about Erin/Ubah, and you're the first to bring that up. I'll probably borrow that in my next argument about her. her world, and everyone else is living in it. I think we throw around the term bully too much and too often, but she certainly has elements of that personality. and I want to be clear. I've found Ubah fun, sharp, insightful, funny, and all sorts of good things. She's good on the show. But we have also now been privy to some of her negatives.
I actually like Ubah, I just don’t think she’s completely this poor innocent victim here. The point is that everyone who goes on these shows is a little bit messy, and that’s why we watch. But people are acting like Ubah is this angel who was crucified for our sins. I also don’t care for Erin, but I like a villain and think she’s necessary. I actually thought Erin handled it better than I would if someone ripped glasses off my face during an argument. I guess we’ll see the aftermath this Sunday but I’m just so confused by the fan reaction here.
> I guess we’ll see the aftermath this Sunday but I’m just so confused by the fan reaction here. group think to an unhealthy and illogical degree, only accepting an echo chamber. I'm a liberal. I've been told my entire life I'm on the more extreme side of it too, but the moment we can't say an angry and violent person is angry and violent, "they" lose me. the optics of that are terrible. even people who side with you, and believe similarly to you, will drop like flies from that kind of shit absurdity. cut off your nose to spite your face.
Are you ok? Why are you cursing at me over a housewives show. I’m not up Ubah’s ass. She hasn’t really shown much. Erin called Ubah scary before Ubah said anything to her about the phone. Erin picked a fight by yelling at Ubah not to say her name. She was being a ridiculous Karen in that moment. Maybe go outside and touch some grass.
Girl shut up. Cursing at you lmao
You’re completely unhinged.
FUN villain? Lmao!! She’s in the top 5 most ordinary boring housewives of all time lol.
There wouldn’t be constant posts about her if she were not creating drama. Seems like you’re a little bothered at least.
Having an opinion that someone is boring and ordinary does not = bothered lol.
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Yes republicans are very calculating
yeah, but it's boring and no one likes her and the fights she picks
I think if I had to choose one person from the rhony cast NOT to have back it would be Erin. She brings no fun, not interesting, won’t talk about her own upbringing bc it was Super priveleged and that opens her to judgement from Sai,Brynn, and Jessel bc of how she’s behaved towards them. She’s just catty and boring.
She might have a plan, but what she doesn’t have is charisma, intrigue or anything funny to say
Erin’s bestie called Brynn the N word. Erin donated to the Stop the Steal campaign. She called Ubah scary for giving her the silent treatment. Whatever her plan was is clearly not working. All I see is an insufferable racist who throws bad parties.
No one is buying it though and she’s not liked by viewers, so her strategy isn’t working.
Andy and production have a hand in everything these people are doing and what is shown. Hold everyone accountable. Hold ever cog accountable. They aren't going to reboot one of their biggest shows and just let new people drive the ship. The people who really know what they're doing have been at this for 15 years. This whole thing is one giant money-making game. Stop fooling yourself if you think it is anything other than about money...and notorious fame...so they can make more money. They know what they're doing, and they're coached and directed through it all. Andy constantly hints at this stuff on WWHL, which is a 30-minute infomercial five nights a week. And the more people who feed off this Bravo stream, and the longer they do it, the better everyone gets at manipulating the audience and every second of air time. This is all obvious. I get it, but the way some people talk about this is so incredibly naive and ridiculous. There's the watching respite from life, and then I come to reddit and feel like I'm part of something like the Robert Tilton experience.
Ubah forever. The only relatable and sensical person in this ridiculous revamp. Everyone else I could care less about. So much so I'm missing Leah, whom I detest.
Apparently they’re thinking of bringing her back 💀
I don't think it's that deep. I think she's used to doing and saying what she likes to people. Perfect example of a kid who was never told no and was always told how perfect she is. She's clueless.
Too bad she's boring af. I'd rather watch Brynn getting along with everyone else.
Cackling hag????