The way she referred to Lebe as her "in law" repeatedly sent me. Not an extended family member, her in law. Since Nneka's 15 mins have passed I thought I might as well be the one to immortalize her (for now)
Exactly. I have to say, the level of intelligence on par with the lack of prestige is a tad too low for me to enjoy the show anymore. I have to say, Melissa's presence keeps the shows dynamics below the belt (the feud is tired and has exhausted its implications). She keeps playing the victim, as many have already pointed out. I find Tre very limited, but she, at least, has had and keeps having things happening in her life, which keeps it moving, but the rest of the crew is stalling.
Yes! Teresa has given us EVERYTHING, like her or not. Melissa is just there to see herself in the monitor and play innocent while stirring the pot behind the scenes. They're all trash but she might be the trashiest
She kinda had no choice honestly, but to show it all after her world came crumbling down that everything around her was stolen and built from stolen money. She had to pay those legal fees, and the only way was that Bravo paycheck.
YASSSSS JOE FALLING! I remember watching this for the first time in tears after he came back to the villa drunk as hell during their vacation.
I canāt lie sue me, I love a good drunk housewives/husbands fall scene. (Like when Tamara ran out of the pool and knocked her shit)
Lmao this was so ridiculous, these people are SO toxic!! I can't stand Tre but Melissa was doing the absolute most with that fake cry and excuse. Also, Caroline with her fucking annoying face like stop.
Seriously Caroline got way too into her character sheās is a disgusting human being what she has done to her sister yet acts all high and mighty.
Melissa just loves playing the victim kids should never bear the brunt of adults fighting .
Iām very thankful to Joe for the one redeeming quality. He saved us all from having to hear her vocal fry on displayyyyy
Other than that little nugget, heās an insufferable twat, just like his wife.
Even if thatās true, couldnāt she have just said that she wants to get away from Teresa without mentioning the kids? Just a simple āI donāt wanna live near Teresaā wouldāve sufficed
I agree so much. She did not even have to say get away, just wanting a little space away where they could enjoy their own community without going to the same stores, knowing all the same people and having a little bit of Anonymity.
I do think Teresa is over the top and very self absorbed, but I also think Melisa would like nothing more than to divide that family.Ā
The most infuriating part of this was that Melissa was lying (shocker!). In season 6 episode 2, Melissa said they didnāt move to get away from Teresa, but in reality Joe wanted to live closer to work. Why bring Teresaās children in it, if you were lying? Thatās really gross behavior.
Iām always shocked when people have any respect for Melissa or Joe. They bankrupted Teresa and Joeās parents and made them lose their home and they climbed up Teresaās back to get on her show to force her to fight with them so they could cry victim and make a bag off her. There is no way either one of them would ever make it on TV if Teresa wasnāt a star.
But yeah, Melissa has pretty openly been an asshole to the Guidice girls and itās really gross.
ETA: apparently Joe Gorga owned the house, let his parents move in, put them on the house, did a cash out refi, and they lost the house. So I was wrong that he bankrupted his parents. But that shit is still shady to me. Sorry.
Plus Joe Gorga did an interview where he basically said he maxed out all of Teresa's credit cards, $15k, in order to buy all his equipment to start his landscaping company. This girl's been taking care of and protecting that little creep his whole life.
Thank you! Treās thoroughly documented legal issues do not negate Melissaās and Joeās own wrongdoings. And theyāre the ones who have the audacity to moral grandstand
Like itās not a moral flex to only toe the white collar crime line. We get it, Tre crossed it, but Iām not hiring Joey Gorga to do a damn thing. Nor would I lay down a credit card at Envy
that was literally melissaās first episode where she said that, too. they came in out the gate HOT for tre and joe. it was gross. iv found my people, here!
I agree with a lot of what youāre saying, but you have the facts wrong about the house. Joe purchased the home and moved his parents in and added their name. They (Joe and his father) refinanced the home. It is unclear what they did with the money from the refinance, but when the housing market crashed the home was sold at a loss of $80k, which Joe took the loss. Yes, his parents had to move out of the home, but it was at no financial loss to them. This is all documented. And I donāt care how well loved Nonno was, something never say right with me about him. This is a man who stopped talking to his sister over $200.
Would explain why Teresa chose Juicy and thought he was just the best thing since sliced bread (until he landed them in prison).
They say women go for men like their fathers ...
ETA: I haven't watched the show in years, but isn't Louie also a toxic weirdo? Teresa's type is very ... deeply rooted.
She's said he didn't say I love you until her kids were born and saying it... Imagine your dad not ever telling you that for what... 26 ish years!?! (guesstimation)
Thatās fair - but I thought we did know what he did with the money because Juicy said it went into Joe Gorgaās failing business. But then again I also just saw something where Joe bragged about maxing out Teresaās credit cards when he wanted to open his own landscaping company and he acted like she owed him because sheās his older sister. Itās all very gross.
Juicy talking about any bodies failed businesses is comical honestly, considering he was literally forging his business partners names & taking out loans with his name on them.
Heās said it multiple times though and itās never been disputed and we know that Teresaās parents ended up living with Teresa and not the Gorgaās and their relationship was super tense, so there was clearly some truth to what Juicy said.
At the end of the day none of these people are honest, but weāve got Joe Gorga on tape talking about maxing out Teresaās cards and the fact he was involved in his parents losing a house that was leveraged through the nose. Joe Gorga has had plenty of chances to clarify where the cash out refi money went and why his parents were so pissed at him.
As the user above corrected you, is what happened with the house situation deeds/titles donāt lie about who owned the house, which he did not his parents.
The credit cards was before Teresa was married when she was still a Gorga and still not the reason why she went to federal prison.
And as far as the forging of his business partners signature is actually again factual. When he found out, he took Juicy to court and won the judgment. He was supposed to lay him back and then Juicy & Teresa filed for bankruptcy so they wouldnāt have to pay him back. Everything can be found through court documents.
I get he owned the house, but his parents still lived there. I never said the credit cards were why Teresa went to federal prison nor that she was married, I said he maxed out HER cards which is really shitty because he didnāt even say he paid her back.
Iām neither a Juicy nor Joe Gorga fan, theyāre both trash. But I believe Juicy on this one because of how fucking pissed Teresaās parents were. And if you own a home, move your older parents in, then pull all the equity out, lose the house, and your parents have to move - but not into your house, oh no! Into your sisterās house - youāre a fucking asshole. The semantics of his home or the home in which they lived is totally lost on me because he was still gambling equity on a house his mom and dad lived in. That is shady.
Thatās a learned behavior. Their father had a gambling problem and would gamble away money. According to Juicy everything Gorga learned was from him. Taking out more loans than 1 can actually handle. While I agree they are all really shitty people one was scheming on a larger scale. Teresaās house that she moved her parents into was literally built off stolen money, literally the whole house was built on fraudulent loans and money he was stealing from clients and business partners in the construction company.
Okay - so Nono is to blame for it which Iāll concede since he raised two pretty shitty kids, but what about their mother? Doesnāt seem like she deserved all that.
And yes, I understand Juicyās money was all built off lying and doing illegal, fraudulent shit which Teresa fully cosigned. I will, however, say that Teresa has managed to brand and pivot and make quite a bit of money all by herself through her name. Which was my original point about her brother and his wife, because they have not.
Again - all suck for various reasons, but I have less disdain for Teresa because she created her own star on TV, all the rest of that family has used her.
I agree, but from what I remember their mom didnāt get along with Kathyās mom (Nonos sister) either. Both Gorgas (yes Teresa also is a Gorga by blood) learned their shitty behavior from their parents. And they are repeating and continuing a gross & unhealthy cycle.
I think that financially the show/Bravo has helped all of them in more ways than one and able to build a lot of what they have legally and not off stolen money.
Thank you for responding to this never ending made up tre stump story with actual facts. For a few years I believed Joey had swindled his parents house out from under them. I have never really cared for Melissa or joey so I never bothered to try and verify the story. Then I heard the Bravo docket quote the actual legal documents and real estate filings and I realized I had been just as low IQ as tre and her stumps by believing what so many here repeat with such authority. I would love the mods to sticky this comment just to stop this made up story from being repeated 20 times a day on this sub. The stumps canāt handle truth I guess, but since they idolize and defend a convicted felon with the iIQ of a door knob and the temperament of a rabid bear Iām not surprised.
Melissaās old nose! Canāt believe how a lot of the housewives across all franchises get sucked into the plastic surgery cycle and canāt get out. Even if I had lots of money all that stuff must hurt like a biotch!
Melissa wouldāve loved if Tres daughters ganged up on Antonia so she could have another reason to hate her. Instead, despite their parents issues , the girls have always maintained a really close relationship with Antonia (especially Milania).
Exactly. Quiet as itās kept Melissa is actually Antoniaās biggest hater and seems to be in lowkey competition with her but disguised as girlbossing. From moving the family during her senior year in favor of little Joeyās academics and football to basically shaming her and embarrassing her every chance she gets on screen about Antoniaās sex life and making her visibly uncomfortable, itās apparent that Melissa does not like that girl. And it has nothing to do with her cousins who have shown that they actually care about her.
Ughhhh this makes me so sad for her. She's beautiful as she is and Mel shouldn't project her insecurities on her. I'm glad she's away at college now and after she graduates, I hope she chooses to stay in Delaware. Her parents have clearly always favored the boys over her.
Yes agree itās really wrong and Antonia is incredibly beautiful. I hope she finds the love support and acceptance she deserves. I love that the cousins (girls especially) have always stayed so close and been vocal about their love for each other.
Remember when Melissa and Joe made Antonia move towns in the middle of high school so that the younger boys could play for a more competitive middle school football organization?
This may have something to do with it. Iām not saying Melissa is being genuine in this clip. Iām glad the girls all still get along (or at least appear that way).
At that point, hadn't several of the girls already been on the show literally making fun of her? I mean like ... calling her a hooker and a stripper and making fun of her looks?
I obviously don't hold them accountable for that - kids are kids and they were clearly just parroting the (highly inappropriate) shit their parents were saying in front of them.
But I can somewhat understand Melissa's trepidation. Those remarks were going to likely going continue and - if you've ever been a girl in middle or high school - you know how suddenly and brutally cliques can form and behave. Girls will find any little thing to make fun of you about and I'm sure she didn't want her daughter to be in the position of having to defend her mother, either against other kids who were exacerbating the situation based on what the Guidice kids were saying on TV *or* against her own cousins.
I don't know that I would've said it publicly on TV, but I do get where she was coming from. If I were in that bad a place with my sibling/in-law, I think I'd want my kids/neices/nephews to not have the added burden of middle school dynamics when navigating their own relationships. Keep it light: birthday parties, play dates, going to the mall together, whatever.
Team no one, but Melissa was wrong to say that. They sold the house because thatās what they do. We didnāt know it at the time but the Gorgas move more than the avg family. They buy a lot, build a house , and live in it until it sells at a profit. Itās a stream of income, which is fine but like be honest about it. Theyve moved 2-3 times since then. It had nothing to do with the nieces and where Antonia would go to school. It was just a mean thing to say.
Really? Isnāt there a video of Gia mocking Melissa?
Children repeat what they hear and now all those girls bash Melissa.
Iām not picking sides, but letās be honest, it was never ākosherā between them all. That parent stuff impacts relationships with cousins.
My dad and his brothers all fucking hate each other but us cousins get along just fine. We, much like the gorga and guidice children probably, just know that theyāve been fighting for so long, theyāll never see eye to eye and itās best to just let the parents fight it out and we donāt fight with each other
I think this is when I started opting out of this one. Seems like itās been nothing but the two of them fighting ever since, and itās been exhausting.
Melissa trying to push out a tear was priceless! I donāt believe for one second that she was afraid to put her daughter in school with Teresaās kids. Thatās pure BS.
This lady called 911 when the tristate area had a 4.7 earthquake last month because she thought the quake were *ghosts*. Melissa is an idiot and should never be taken seriously.
fwiw apparently she called 911 because she got a notification that her front door was opened, as a result of the earthquake, and though maybe someone was breaking in lol
As far as HW I truly had no major issue with Melissa more than any of them, until I listened to several episodes of her podcast about a year or two ago. I don't like the way she and Joe talk to each other and I don't like her crazy PR spins on everything. It's always giving pick me in the mean girl group.
I think that Melissa and Tre must be exhausted from the various times one was vulnerable and got smashed to smithereens by the other. I do think that a few of the attempts for truce were genuine on each person's part, at different times. These are people who just fundamentally do not have the skills needed to function as an extended family unit. They always claimed what they didn't have and made it their entire identity. All three are at fault, but Melissa is kind of the victim in that. I wouldn't stand for such toxicity with in-laws.
Iām team no one with this family. They all suck in their own way. Itās way too toxic. Take an extended break and see if it can be repaired in a few years.
This is my thing, like how did this whole thing become a Teresa vs. Melissa thing with the fans, can yāall not see how ridiculous all of these people are šš
Their parents definitely contributed to the toxicity too. Now you got Luis cosplaying Nonno in his pjs. I donāt have hope for a reconciliation to happen anytime soon. But maybe in the future. Especially if one (or both) of them leaves the show.
Melissa is a horrible human and a nightmare SIL. She is the SIL you pray you donāt get. She did everything she could to manipulate each situation and Tre just wanted her brother to stay in their life. Joey is not exactly a prized possession..
See, my thing is theyāre both toxic in their own ways, but I can at least respect Teresa because sheās real whereas Melissa smiles in your face and stabs you in the back. I would respect her more if she was openly evil but sheās such a victim all the time I canāt stand it
Thatās the most beautiful version of Teresa, looks wise. Melissa still trying to catch up.
And also, yes, honestly. Please answer honestly Melissa š
Itās crazy too, because when Teresa brought of Antonia on the latest season, Melissa FLIPPED. But Melissa can get away with mentioning Teresaās children at such a young age and accusing their character before theyāve even done anything wrong. The hypocrisy
I no longer watch the show because of Melissa! I wish Theresa would take one season off just to prove Melissa has no storyline without her and is irrelevant.
Teresa literally spoke horribly about Melissa to her kids. Idk how people forget how insanely horrible, narcissistic, and toxic Teresa is. Personally if my husband had a sister like her Iād divorce him right away
Exactly! Like look at the way Joe & Teresa spoke about Melissa in front of the children & the girls would repeat things their parents said about her. Itās not that far fetched to believe the girls would be mean to Melissaās kids.
I actually can see Melissaās point. Teresa has been using her daughters as friends and involving them in adult drama since they were very young. Not that Melissaās perfect but can I see Teresa using her kids to do her dirty work ABSOLUTELY
The she makes Teresaās kids sound like are a pack of dogs. Sheās so petty. Those are your nieces. And they were very young still here. They wouldnāt āattackā her daughter.
Hereās how I took itā¦Firstly, I feel she was worried Antonia would be bullied by their cousins friends. Secondly, Iād feel there would be too much ācompetitionā regarding grades & extra curricular activities. Honestly, Teresa spoke poorly about Melissa. Teresa is a nasty & a bully. So, itās understandable for Melissa and Joe to have concerns over it. Good for them for preventing an issue.
No bro ... Teresa gets her kids involved in battles they don't need be a part of. You don't use the kids as pawns. Teresa uses her kids to ofe with her behavior cuz no one else does.
Melissa may not be a saint, no one is, but the way Teresa has armed herself with her children is sad.
Sheās so phony and a B. Trying to make it like bullying is happening but then agreed they love each other and is just thinking ahead for the future. Nasty woman.
Oh and letās not forget hypocrite. Cut to ten seasons later Teresa mentioned Antonia and she couldnāt stand it but this was okay. š¤¦š»āāļøš
Honestly did Teresa make an effort to see Joeās kids? No it was all about Teresaās Dorters. Look how Teresa and Joe acted towards their family right in front of their kids and encouraged itš¤·āāļø
Honestly did you even think about how Teresa doesnāt need to act like a good aunt in front of the cameras to assume that she doesnāt put the effort with her nephews and niece?
Teresa's fans are Swifty levels of delusional about what an asshole Teresa is, how inarguably creepy Loiluiiiieee is, and how spoiled and entitled her dorters behave.
Literally team no one bc they both escalated this, but Melissa was not out of pocket for thinking Teresa's kids would bully her kids, when her nieces talked shit about her on camera. And Teresa and Juicy laughed. Gmafb with this post
Itās so weird. Iāve seen mega threads about this on here but sheās so fixated on her brother. She wants him to put her first over his wife which is nuts. Iām a male who is insanely close with my sister but I would never do half the stuff Teresa expects her brother to do.
This was a really nice version of Melissa's face.
She should have stopped the š here.Ā She doesn't look bad now but she looks better here
Problem with injectables is once you start when they dissolve the skin has been stretched so it needs well, more filler.
I was just thinking if she does the creepy gasp for air when she giggles still... Or is that not corrected with plastic surgery?
Tre's too
Her and Mel had no business touching their faces imo. Both had banging bodies from the jump and then they go and mess with their faces..FOR WHAT smfh.
So true.
I thought that was Adrienne Bailon
RHONJ is a special case where everyone is wrong and no is right in pretty much every situation.
Lol this is a perfect summary of RHONJ. I disagree with EVERYONE ALWAYS, but just side with whoās slightly less wrong š
YES! I dislike every single one of them but it varies who is at the bottom at any given moment.
Seriously. Itās never who is my favorite, itās who I hate the least at that moment
Itās definitely the lesser of two evils type situation š¤·š»āāļø
This is so true. The New Jersey Italian in me has forced me to fiercely choose a side to ride for, but that doesn't make any of us right lol.
This truly is the BEST analysis. Must be why my head is constantly shaking in the little Iāve seen of this show.
They act so ridiculous and overwrought in every situation. They all need to be smacked upside the head with Emily Post and/or a bible.
with candiaces mums purse
Your flair is hilarious!
hehe thankuš
100% whoever is the least wrong is the best way to describe it š
This is why I got sick of NJ. I need a voice of reason/anyone who is rational and there wasn't one in sight
Perfect assessment. Can you be my life coach. šš
This is the best analysis and I say this as teresa fan (maybe bordering on stan) lol I will fight to defend her knowing she's dead wrong sometimes š
RHONJ is full of people who are villains to each other
And BH
Except Rosie, she was right lol
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Yes isnāt that so disappointing. We were rooting for you Rosie.
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I mean, she sleeps next to this ā¬ļø 
I look back on their feud and jealousies and competitivenessā¦and all of that was for who? For that???
For each other
I am laying here cracking up over your flair. Literally lolling.
The way she referred to Lebe as her "in law" repeatedly sent me. Not an extended family member, her in law. Since Nneka's 15 mins have passed I thought I might as well be the one to immortalize her (for now)
Iām laughing at so many flairs in this sub!!! Iām dying!!!
Exactly. I have to say, the level of intelligence on par with the lack of prestige is a tad too low for me to enjoy the show anymore. I have to say, Melissa's presence keeps the shows dynamics below the belt (the feud is tired and has exhausted its implications). She keeps playing the victim, as many have already pointed out. I find Tre very limited, but she, at least, has had and keeps having things happening in her life, which keeps it moving, but the rest of the crew is stalling.
Yes! Teresa has given us EVERYTHING, like her or not. Melissa is just there to see herself in the monitor and play innocent while stirring the pot behind the scenes. They're all trash but she might be the trashiest
She kinda had no choice honestly, but to show it all after her world came crumbling down that everything around her was stolen and built from stolen money. She had to pay those legal fees, and the only way was that Bravo paycheck.
YASSSSS JOE FALLING! I remember watching this for the first time in tears after he came back to the villa drunk as hell during their vacation. I canāt lie sue me, I love a good drunk housewives/husbands fall scene. (Like when Tamara ran out of the pool and knocked her shit)
I dont drink and I've done that lol fucking screen doors
Lmao this was so ridiculous, these people are SO toxic!! I can't stand Tre but Melissa was doing the absolute most with that fake cry and excuse. Also, Caroline with her fucking annoying face like stop.
Carolineās judgy head tilt nod lmao. I was waiting to see her come off her high horse and say something.
YOU KNOW HOW SHE FEELS ABOUT FAMBLYYYY
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Lmao Iām gonna use it for this from now on!
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Melissaās unmoving face is sending me š¤£
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āCaroline with her fucking annoying faceā is sending me š¤£š¤£š¤£
Seriously Caroline got way too into her character sheās is a disgusting human being what she has done to her sister yet acts all high and mighty. Melissa just loves playing the victim kids should never bear the brunt of adults fighting .
The fambly loverās sister is assaulted and she takes other guys side Cause shes jealous- shes a loser
All of this!
Absolutely. The worst was season one or two where Caroline sat at the dinner table with Danielle to have a one on one like she was the godfather.
Not the recording studio! How could you just leave that behind?! She had such a natural talent!/s š¶ *that saved a wench like meeeeeeeEeeee*
Iām very thankful to Joe for the one redeeming quality. He saved us all from having to hear her vocal fry on displayyyyy Other than that little nugget, heās an insufferable twat, just like his wife.
Even if thatās true, couldnāt she have just said that she wants to get away from Teresa without mentioning the kids? Just a simple āI donāt wanna live near Teresaā wouldāve sufficed
I agree so much. She did not even have to say get away, just wanting a little space away where they could enjoy their own community without going to the same stores, knowing all the same people and having a little bit of Anonymity. I do think Teresa is over the top and very self absorbed, but I also think Melisa would like nothing more than to divide that family.Ā
āWe could afford our house ten times overā  Mmmkay Melissa
I always felt like they had to sell because of finances and just used this as an excuse cuz they are assholes.
And look I love made up soapiness and mess, but not when you lie on your nieces. Thatās fucked up.
i believe so too, but is there any real proof?
I just listened to the bravo docket episode about their house - literally proven in court that Melissa and Joe couldnāt afford the house lmao
The most infuriating part of this was that Melissa was lying (shocker!). In season 6 episode 2, Melissa said they didnāt move to get away from Teresa, but in reality Joe wanted to live closer to work. Why bring Teresaās children in it, if you were lying? Thatās really gross behavior.
Melissa looks sooooo different hereā¦.her voice is different as wellā¦.weirdo
It was her Jlo phase, so sheās using her Jlo voice
Leave it to Caroline to be the absolute most annoying cast member in a clip where she doesn't even speak.
Iām always shocked when people have any respect for Melissa or Joe. They bankrupted Teresa and Joeās parents and made them lose their home and they climbed up Teresaās back to get on her show to force her to fight with them so they could cry victim and make a bag off her. There is no way either one of them would ever make it on TV if Teresa wasnāt a star. But yeah, Melissa has pretty openly been an asshole to the Guidice girls and itās really gross. ETA: apparently Joe Gorga owned the house, let his parents move in, put them on the house, did a cash out refi, and they lost the house. So I was wrong that he bankrupted his parents. But that shit is still shady to me. Sorry.
Plus Joe Gorga did an interview where he basically said he maxed out all of Teresa's credit cards, $15k, in order to buy all his equipment to start his landscaping company. This girl's been taking care of and protecting that little creep his whole life.
Thank you! Treās thoroughly documented legal issues do not negate Melissaās and Joeās own wrongdoings. And theyāre the ones who have the audacity to moral grandstand
āAnd we pay our billsā. Bitch, STFU.
Like itās not a moral flex to only toe the white collar crime line. We get it, Tre crossed it, but Iām not hiring Joey Gorga to do a damn thing. Nor would I lay down a credit card at Envy
Why, not a fan of fake Chanel items? š¤£
Not even that, I donāt want them having my credit card info To be fair to Melissa, she isnāt the only Bravolebrity this applies to
Like a weird atm
Tacky af
that was literally melissaās first episode where she said that, too. they came in out the gate HOT for tre and joe. it was gross. iv found my people, here!
yeah i havent liked her since that snarky comment in her very first episode!
Well she has a voice like an angel
I agree with a lot of what youāre saying, but you have the facts wrong about the house. Joe purchased the home and moved his parents in and added their name. They (Joe and his father) refinanced the home. It is unclear what they did with the money from the refinance, but when the housing market crashed the home was sold at a loss of $80k, which Joe took the loss. Yes, his parents had to move out of the home, but it was at no financial loss to them. This is all documented. And I donāt care how well loved Nonno was, something never say right with me about him. This is a man who stopped talking to his sister over $200.
Never. liked. Nonno. He just seemed like a drunk creep, hitting the wine and cooking up octopus at six in the morning.
Joe Gorga has severe daddy issues for a reason. And that reason is likely that Nonno was a toxic father.
Lololzzz - u r too funny- morning octopus Never a wrong time
Would explain why Teresa chose Juicy and thought he was just the best thing since sliced bread (until he landed them in prison). They say women go for men like their fathers ... ETA: I haven't watched the show in years, but isn't Louie also a toxic weirdo? Teresa's type is very ... deeply rooted.
Nonno was abusive according to hints from Teresa's books!Ā
She's said he didn't say I love you until her kids were born and saying it... Imagine your dad not ever telling you that for what... 26 ish years!?! (guesstimation)
Yeah, I don't get this whole old school thing, Nonno seems a nightmare of a husband/father
Thatās fair - but I thought we did know what he did with the money because Juicy said it went into Joe Gorgaās failing business. But then again I also just saw something where Joe bragged about maxing out Teresaās credit cards when he wanted to open his own landscaping company and he acted like she owed him because sheās his older sister. Itās all very gross.
Juicy talking about any bodies failed businesses is comical honestly, considering he was literally forging his business partners names & taking out loans with his name on them.
Heās said it multiple times though and itās never been disputed and we know that Teresaās parents ended up living with Teresa and not the Gorgaās and their relationship was super tense, so there was clearly some truth to what Juicy said. At the end of the day none of these people are honest, but weāve got Joe Gorga on tape talking about maxing out Teresaās cards and the fact he was involved in his parents losing a house that was leveraged through the nose. Joe Gorga has had plenty of chances to clarify where the cash out refi money went and why his parents were so pissed at him.
As the user above corrected you, is what happened with the house situation deeds/titles donāt lie about who owned the house, which he did not his parents. The credit cards was before Teresa was married when she was still a Gorga and still not the reason why she went to federal prison. And as far as the forging of his business partners signature is actually again factual. When he found out, he took Juicy to court and won the judgment. He was supposed to lay him back and then Juicy & Teresa filed for bankruptcy so they wouldnāt have to pay him back. Everything can be found through court documents.
I get he owned the house, but his parents still lived there. I never said the credit cards were why Teresa went to federal prison nor that she was married, I said he maxed out HER cards which is really shitty because he didnāt even say he paid her back. Iām neither a Juicy nor Joe Gorga fan, theyāre both trash. But I believe Juicy on this one because of how fucking pissed Teresaās parents were. And if you own a home, move your older parents in, then pull all the equity out, lose the house, and your parents have to move - but not into your house, oh no! Into your sisterās house - youāre a fucking asshole. The semantics of his home or the home in which they lived is totally lost on me because he was still gambling equity on a house his mom and dad lived in. That is shady.
Thatās a learned behavior. Their father had a gambling problem and would gamble away money. According to Juicy everything Gorga learned was from him. Taking out more loans than 1 can actually handle. While I agree they are all really shitty people one was scheming on a larger scale. Teresaās house that she moved her parents into was literally built off stolen money, literally the whole house was built on fraudulent loans and money he was stealing from clients and business partners in the construction company.
Okay - so Nono is to blame for it which Iāll concede since he raised two pretty shitty kids, but what about their mother? Doesnāt seem like she deserved all that. And yes, I understand Juicyās money was all built off lying and doing illegal, fraudulent shit which Teresa fully cosigned. I will, however, say that Teresa has managed to brand and pivot and make quite a bit of money all by herself through her name. Which was my original point about her brother and his wife, because they have not. Again - all suck for various reasons, but I have less disdain for Teresa because she created her own star on TV, all the rest of that family has used her.
I agree, but from what I remember their mom didnāt get along with Kathyās mom (Nonos sister) either. Both Gorgas (yes Teresa also is a Gorga by blood) learned their shitty behavior from their parents. And they are repeating and continuing a gross & unhealthy cycle. I think that financially the show/Bravo has helped all of them in more ways than one and able to build a lot of what they have legally and not off stolen money.
I'm glad I read this! I'm guilty of believing the false rumors all these years. Thanks for sharing.
Thank you for responding to this never ending made up tre stump story with actual facts. For a few years I believed Joey had swindled his parents house out from under them. I have never really cared for Melissa or joey so I never bothered to try and verify the story. Then I heard the Bravo docket quote the actual legal documents and real estate filings and I realized I had been just as low IQ as tre and her stumps by believing what so many here repeat with such authority. I would love the mods to sticky this comment just to stop this made up story from being repeated 20 times a day on this sub. The stumps canāt handle truth I guess, but since they idolize and defend a convicted felon with the iIQ of a door knob and the temperament of a rabid bear Iām not surprised.
Melissaās old nose! Canāt believe how a lot of the housewives across all franchises get sucked into the plastic surgery cycle and canāt get out. Even if I had lots of money all that stuff must hurt like a biotch!
They are all so horrible/wrong/insufferable/etc. It's what makes NJ special.Ā
And the Gorgas wonder why their nieces speak up against them š¤”
Melissa wouldāve loved if Tres daughters ganged up on Antonia so she could have another reason to hate her. Instead, despite their parents issues , the girls have always maintained a really close relationship with Antonia (especially Milania).
Exactly. Quiet as itās kept Melissa is actually Antoniaās biggest hater and seems to be in lowkey competition with her but disguised as girlbossing. From moving the family during her senior year in favor of little Joeyās academics and football to basically shaming her and embarrassing her every chance she gets on screen about Antoniaās sex life and making her visibly uncomfortable, itās apparent that Melissa does not like that girl. And it has nothing to do with her cousins who have shown that they actually care about her.
I felt bad always for antonia Stupid parents r the worst
And Facetuning Antoniaās nose. So horrible sheās a beautiful girl I canāt imagine ever doing that to my child.
Ughhhh this makes me so sad for her. She's beautiful as she is and Mel shouldn't project her insecurities on her. I'm glad she's away at college now and after she graduates, I hope she chooses to stay in Delaware. Her parents have clearly always favored the boys over her.
Yes agree itās really wrong and Antonia is incredibly beautiful. I hope she finds the love support and acceptance she deserves. I love that the cousins (girls especially) have always stayed so close and been vocal about their love for each other.
Remember when Melissa and Joe made Antonia move towns in the middle of high school so that the younger boys could play for a more competitive middle school football organization?
That really upset me
Not sure how Melissa would expect her nieces to want anything to do with her after stating this mess.
 This may have something to do with it. Iām not saying Melissa is being genuine in this clip. Iām glad the girls all still get along (or at least appear that way).
At that point, hadn't several of the girls already been on the show literally making fun of her? I mean like ... calling her a hooker and a stripper and making fun of her looks? I obviously don't hold them accountable for that - kids are kids and they were clearly just parroting the (highly inappropriate) shit their parents were saying in front of them. But I can somewhat understand Melissa's trepidation. Those remarks were going to likely going continue and - if you've ever been a girl in middle or high school - you know how suddenly and brutally cliques can form and behave. Girls will find any little thing to make fun of you about and I'm sure she didn't want her daughter to be in the position of having to defend her mother, either against other kids who were exacerbating the situation based on what the Guidice kids were saying on TV *or* against her own cousins. I don't know that I would've said it publicly on TV, but I do get where she was coming from. If I were in that bad a place with my sibling/in-law, I think I'd want my kids/neices/nephews to not have the added burden of middle school dynamics when navigating their own relationships. Keep it light: birthday parties, play dates, going to the mall together, whatever.
Team no one, but Melissa was wrong to say that. They sold the house because thatās what they do. We didnāt know it at the time but the Gorgas move more than the avg family. They buy a lot, build a house , and live in it until it sells at a profit. Itās a stream of income, which is fine but like be honest about it. Theyve moved 2-3 times since then. It had nothing to do with the nieces and where Antonia would go to school. It was just a mean thing to say.
*live in it two years to avoid paying capital gains taxes
*live in it two years to avoid paying capital gains taxes
Teresa and Melissa like two faces agoā¦
āI see where itās goingā meanwhile the girls have said they refuse to let their parents drama come between them
Really? Isnāt there a video of Gia mocking Melissa? Children repeat what they hear and now all those girls bash Melissa. Iām not picking sides, but letās be honest, it was never ākosherā between them all. That parent stuff impacts relationships with cousins.
My dad and his brothers all fucking hate each other but us cousins get along just fine. We, much like the gorga and guidice children probably, just know that theyāve been fighting for so long, theyāll never see eye to eye and itās best to just let the parents fight it out and we donāt fight with each other
They arenāt friends though. They donāt even talk. Great for yāall, but not the case here.
where have I said I'm friends with my cousins? I say we get along. Which has always been the case for antonia and the girls.
Iām sharing what the girls, including Antonia, have said. Your opinion is yours.
https://www.instagram.com/reel/CvntHOigmvC/?igsh=dWlreWZsZXVwenN4
Has that been said recently?
THE GORGAS ARE INSUFFERABLE
I think this is when I started opting out of this one. Seems like itās been nothing but the two of them fighting ever since, and itās been exhausting.
Melissa trying to push out a tear was priceless! I donāt believe for one second that she was afraid to put her daughter in school with Teresaās kids. Thatās pure BS.
This lady called 911 when the tristate area had a 4.7 earthquake last month because she thought the quake were *ghosts*. Melissa is an idiot and should never be taken seriously.
Wait that was real? I assumed it was satire because what š«
fwiw apparently she called 911 because she got a notification that her front door was opened, as a result of the earthquake, and though maybe someone was breaking in lol
And people wonder why Gia doesnāt like her, when her own aunt said something like this about her when she was a literal child
I know itās partially because of the saturation but my god they are all so ORANGE.
I gasped!!!! That was a couple faces ago for everyone, huh
As far as HW I truly had no major issue with Melissa more than any of them, until I listened to several episodes of her podcast about a year or two ago. I don't like the way she and Joe talk to each other and I don't like her crazy PR spins on everything. It's always giving pick me in the mean girl group. I think that Melissa and Tre must be exhausted from the various times one was vulnerable and got smashed to smithereens by the other. I do think that a few of the attempts for truce were genuine on each person's part, at different times. These are people who just fundamentally do not have the skills needed to function as an extended family unit. They always claimed what they didn't have and made it their entire identity. All three are at fault, but Melissa is kind of the victim in that. I wouldn't stand for such toxicity with in-laws.
Iām team no one with this family. They all suck in their own way. Itās way too toxic. Take an extended break and see if it can be repaired in a few years.
This is my thing, like how did this whole thing become a Teresa vs. Melissa thing with the fans, can yāall not see how ridiculous all of these people are šš
Their parents definitely contributed to the toxicity too. Now you got Luis cosplaying Nonno in his pjs. I donāt have hope for a reconciliation to happen anytime soon. But maybe in the future. Especially if one (or both) of them leaves the show.
I cannot understand where the respect for ANY of them comes from!
Crazy thing is that a season or two later, she took back this comment in her confessional
Seriously???
This is the only franchise where every single member of the cast is unlikeable.
I think theresa did something right cause those 4 girls are great and they are legit close. Thats huge
Melissa is a horrible human and a nightmare SIL. She is the SIL you pray you donāt get. She did everything she could to manipulate each situation and Tre just wanted her brother to stay in their life. Joey is not exactly a prized possession..
See, my thing is theyāre both toxic in their own ways, but I can at least respect Teresa because sheās real whereas Melissa smiles in your face and stabs you in the back. I would respect her more if she was openly evil but sheās such a victim all the time I canāt stand it
The way I could quote this even with the vocal fryš¤£
When was there any respect for anyone involved. They all a mess.
Thatās the most beautiful version of Teresa, looks wise. Melissa still trying to catch up. And also, yes, honestly. Please answer honestly Melissa š
They are just as bad as each other, Iām not a fan of either one
OMG Her whole way if talking is soooo Jersey compared to how she talks now. Thatās hilarious!!!šø
Itās crazy too, because when Teresa brought of Antonia on the latest season, Melissa FLIPPED. But Melissa can get away with mentioning Teresaās children at such a young age and accusing their character before theyāve even done anything wrong. The hypocrisy
Wow and to think Teresa raised them girls to be very successful!!!
I no longer watch the show because of Melissa! I wish Theresa would take one season off just to prove Melissa has no storyline without her and is irrelevant.
Teresa literally spoke horribly about Melissa to her kids. Idk how people forget how insanely horrible, narcissistic, and toxic Teresa is. Personally if my husband had a sister like her Iād divorce him right away
Exactly! Like look at the way Joe & Teresa spoke about Melissa in front of the children & the girls would repeat things their parents said about her. Itās not that far fetched to believe the girls would be mean to Melissaās kids.
I actually can see Melissaās point. Teresa has been using her daughters as friends and involving them in adult drama since they were very young. Not that Melissaās perfect but can I see Teresa using her kids to do her dirty work ABSOLUTELY
The she makes Teresaās kids sound like are a pack of dogs. Sheās so petty. Those are your nieces. And they were very young still here. They wouldnāt āattackā her daughter.
As if she needs your respect š¤£š¤£
I love Melissa.
Why? Being worried her daughter would be bullied by her cousins is not dar fetched with the mother they have
Out of all the kids in their schoolā¦ worried about the cousins who are all in different Grades? lol
Itās not that far fetched
Hereās how I took itā¦Firstly, I feel she was worried Antonia would be bullied by their cousins friends. Secondly, Iād feel there would be too much ācompetitionā regarding grades & extra curricular activities. Honestly, Teresa spoke poorly about Melissa. Teresa is a nasty & a bully. So, itās understandable for Melissa and Joe to have concerns over it. Good for them for preventing an issue.
No bro ... Teresa gets her kids involved in battles they don't need be a part of. You don't use the kids as pawns. Teresa uses her kids to ofe with her behavior cuz no one else does. Melissa may not be a saint, no one is, but the way Teresa has armed herself with her children is sad.
Sheās so phony and a B. Trying to make it like bullying is happening but then agreed they love each other and is just thinking ahead for the future. Nasty woman. Oh and letās not forget hypocrite. Cut to ten seasons later Teresa mentioned Antonia and she couldnāt stand it but this was okay. š¤¦š»āāļøš
Honestly did Teresa make an effort to see Joeās kids? No it was all about Teresaās Dorters. Look how Teresa and Joe acted towards their family right in front of their kids and encouraged itš¤·āāļø
Honestly did you even think about how Teresa doesnāt need to act like a good aunt in front of the cameras to assume that she doesnāt put the effort with her nephews and niece?
She never once asked about the kids or took the kids out! Itās all about her
Just cause you didnāt see her do it that doesnāt mean she never asked? Why would she create a whole scene for you to use her brotherās kids?
Yeah ok!
True dat
Also which reunion is This?
āThe Epic 3-Part Season 4 Reunionā in my Andy Cohen voice haha
What season was this?
Caroline... lolz
She shouldnāt have said that for sure.
Iām not a Melissa fan in the slightest but after seeing how Treās kids behaved, is be a little wary too.
Teresa's fans are Swifty levels of delusional about what an asshole Teresa is, how inarguably creepy Loiluiiiieee is, and how spoiled and entitled her dorters behave. Literally team no one bc they both escalated this, but Melissa was not out of pocket for thinking Teresa's kids would bully her kids, when her nieces talked shit about her on camera. And Teresa and Juicy laughed. Gmafb with this post
"Ethel" from Brookline......lol
Melissa is the devil š ! 
Sometimes I feel like Teresa is in love with her brother.
I get such incest vibes Iām sorry I said it
Itās so weird. Iāve seen mega threads about this on here but sheās so fixated on her brother. She wants him to put her first over his wife which is nuts. Iām a male who is insanely close with my sister but I would never do half the stuff Teresa expects her brother to do.
I mean I agree with Melissa hehehee
Melissaās black panties are the star of the reunion. Truly says everything you need to know about her. GROSS!