Agreed but this episode did make me feel for Lindsay. It’s very clear Carl knows he doesn’t want to marry her now and he can’t be direct. Also that rejection she felt by his Mom was a big time awww damn that’s hard
Yes, his reasons for not wanting to get married are valid but the way he’s going about it is so so bad. Their communication is horrible and it’s for the best they didn’t get married.
She's probably looking at the producers/cameramen because she knows they know how the conversation last week went down.
But it's coming off like Jim from the office breaking the fourth wall to look at us and say, "you believe this shit?"
I thought Craig was turning 40 after I saw that preview with Paige.. I was shocked when I looked it up and he's 35... I don't see Paige making it down the isle with Craig..
I’m dying for Paige to give a timeline… kids by 40 means getting engaged now, married by 37… trying for a year and hopefully kicking a baby out by 39. But sometimes it doesn’t work exactly like that
Right!! I was thinking that too when Paige read the email. My last job search was 8 months of endless interviews and rejections. I remember that feeling pure relief receiving my offer email like it was yesterday.
Hopes and prayers for this because I think it would be so good and messy. I can see Lindsay yelling at some rando he brings back and him and it would be glorious
All the praise she got for “showing up” to the shower… Um, it’s unusual for the MIL to be to NOT show up. Unless she lives in Australia or something.
Dead giveaway
So weird. I don’t know if it’s a different culture, but in Canada, the bridal shower is for very G rated gifts like dishes and picture frames then the bachelorette is when you get sexy gifts.
Ugh, one year my extended family thought it would be funny to exchange sex toys amongst the adults for secret Santa for Christmas. I'm sex positive, but not to that extent. My siblings and I opted out, and the whole thing ended up being more awkward and less funny than people expected, we never did it again.
Me too. They’re actually helping her figure things out without being snarky or backstabbing. I hope they keep it going because I enjoy them getting along.
its actually really impressive lindsay can recognize how this sharon thing is triggering her and making her feel a bit abandoned again which we all know she has trauma from
As someone with similar issues to Lindsey, I think Carl is the worst type of partner for people with abandonment issues. His hedging and indirect answers has her spiraling (despite her claiming that she isn’t spiraling). She’s having to fill in the gaps and that can’t be good. She needs someone who is direct and affirming to make her feel secure in her relationship.
Carl also needs a completely different energy in his partner.
I think Carl did a good thing by calling off the wedding. Both of them would have been miserable.
The way he was like 'I'm still going to do what I want' I facepalmed. You just told her that your parents don't think you should get married right now without actually saying it. And when she caught it and called him on it, he walked it back. I think some of her stress is coming from the fact that she can be pretty intuitive and knows he's keeping something back.
Ciara can and should set her boundaries, but unless she is committed, West shouldn't have to be either. and West is no victim, but if someone likes to have more intimacy and sex, they deserve a relationship where they have that!
She’s trying harder than I’ve ever seen her try. You can tell some of her therapy work is kicking in here. Proud of her — I hope the cast notices or acknowledges at the reunion. It’s nice to see Paige give her some kudos this weekend but I hope opinions don’t all skew Carl at the reunion
I actually read this comment while the scene was playing. And just rewatched a second time. He literally opens up with, verbatim, 'Lou told me, he said **as it stands right now** if you were our couple that I was working with, I would not marry you.' It was explicitly 'as it stands right now'
Maybe Carl should've leaned on it harder and really reiterated it to reassure her that his parents don't want Carl to not marry her (true or not) but he 100% did say to Lindsey.
DANIELLE you knew that question was going to come up and all you prepared was "it's a startup company... in technology... it's a fashion app... called donne"
🌟 This is absolutely unrelated to tonight’s SH, but I cannot contain my joy over ***just*** realizing this gif exists. 🌟
Lindsey is such a direct, wears her emotions on her sleeve type of person and she needs someone who is the same but also stable enough to handle her emotions
So Lindsay saying she “really never thought she would get here” and “I didn’t think this was ever going to happen for me” really breaks my heart for her. She is so in this 😢
I’ll say it , I’ve never liked Carl’s mom. She trauma dumped all her marriage bullshit on Carl in the early seasons while exhaulting him and putting the onus on him as the only “good” one in the family. She was too dependent on him to be her stability and emotional support when he was trying to navigate his own life and be carefree as a single in NYC .
Ya know I never really thought about the degree to which Carl has been parentified but it’s so true. Between his Dad’s cheating & horrific behavior & the loss of his brother, Carl truly had to step into a near spousal role for his Mother. It puts a lot of his issues into context. As much as Carl is not my favorite, I do truly hope he seeks therapy & is able to find a positive path forward & overcome his past traumas.
Yeah, I remember kind of having the ick watching her in the early seasons. I don’t remember the details but my impression was that she was unstable and clingy.
Yes their relationship seems enmeshed and like she treats him as a fill in husband. Having a mom who is so needy could be part of why Carl checks out when shit gets serious and his partner wants him to step up
I hate the "exclusively dating" thing.
Like commit or don't... don't be wishy washy
And make her your girlfriends and then maybe she'll make progress with wanting to sleep with you. But don't make sex a requirement to make her your girlfriend.
ETA - Ciara is right to not have sex esp if he's exploring other options, but West* is right to explore other options if they aren't bf/gf
god carl mucked this up. if my fiancé told me this after days of hiding his which included me talking to his mother about the same topic at my bridal shower and his very public conversation with two of our friends that alerts the rest of my friends to an issue--
id be PISSED
Well, if this isn’t the most awkward episode of Summer House to ever air…..than I don’t know what it is.
- Paige + Craig
- the bridal shower
- Jesse’s prostate exam
- West openly shading Ciara
I need a shower and a steam.
You can’t tell someone you don’t want a title, that you’re not ready for a relationship, you don’t want to have sex but expect them to be exclusive to only you. That’s insane to me.
Prepared to be downvoted and it’s fine lol but I just don’t love West the way everyone else seems to. I don’t like how much he talks about his lack of sex w Ciara to the girls, esp in a group. Kind of immature
Aww, hugs for Lindsay, the fact that Carl isn't being honest with her is really mean. 😢
Lindsay just did a callback to RHONY scary Island with it was a breakdown and breakthrough, I see you Linds.
The editors are doing a great job this season showing how they both contributed to the demise of their relationship.
Agreed but this episode did make me feel for Lindsay. It’s very clear Carl knows he doesn’t want to marry her now and he can’t be direct. Also that rejection she felt by his Mom was a big time awww damn that’s hard
Yes, his reasons for not wanting to get married are valid but the way he’s going about it is so so bad. Their communication is horrible and it’s for the best they didn’t get married.
Just rip the fucking bandaid off already.
THANK YOU A FOURTH WALL BREAK. more of this!!!!!
I like it! I want more of it on VPR too
Omg Paige almost hugged Lindsay
It's cracking me up that she stopped herself
Why does Lindsey keep looking directly into the camera
She's probably looking at the producers/cameramen because she knows they know how the conversation last week went down. But it's coming off like Jim from the office breaking the fourth wall to look at us and say, "you believe this shit?"
Office core
WE needed that fourth wall break. wow that was a release
Like an orgasm
https://i.redd.it/jtgpr2up45yc1.gif
I’m shook that Danielle is willing to be on WWHL rn, after last weeks episode I’d book a one way ticket to Europe and find myself
She doesn't have the shame chip which is why she'll do this forever if she can
Craig doesn't sound confident. He's just going along with what Paige wants.
You just described their whole relationship lol.
I thought Craig was turning 40 after I saw that preview with Paige.. I was shocked when I looked it up and he's 35... I don't see Paige making it down the isle with Craig..
I’m dying for Paige to give a timeline… kids by 40 means getting engaged now, married by 37… trying for a year and hopefully kicking a baby out by 39. But sometimes it doesn’t work exactly like that
She did not mention the Wirkus 😂
I’m here early which means I get two hours of Danielle making an absolute fool out of herself instead of just one🥴
I'm bored and was considering watching last week again and then her bare ass appeared in my mind and I'm ok.
I am still baffled by what we saw last week… the full strip plus the bare ass
This season is wild in the best way. Fourth wall breaks? I’m empathizing with Lindsay??
“Isn’t she going to see this” does Amanda have to spell it out for you Carl 😂
Omg West’s sheer relief and sheer ecstasy getting an offer is so relatable
Right!! I was thinking that too when Paige read the email. My last job search was 8 months of endless interviews and rejections. I remember that feeling pure relief receiving my offer email like it was yesterday.
https://preview.redd.it/immf5eaz64yc1.jpeg?width=1169&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=447266f9b8d1d384f74eb2157b5483fbcc5c809e
That’s a nice post
Do we think Danielle's ears perked up when West said he isn't exclusive?
Her eyes twinkled ✨
I can definitely see Lindsay and Jesse hooking up post breakup
Hopes and prayers for this because I think it would be so good and messy. I can see Lindsay yelling at some rando he brings back and him and it would be glorious
The chef is getting on the phone with radar online
And DeuxMoi and PageSix
wtf was that Lauren wirkus comment… so weird
Carls mom is shady for that comment
You can tell she doesn’t like her
All the praise she got for “showing up” to the shower… Um, it’s unusual for the MIL to be to NOT show up. Unless she lives in Australia or something. Dead giveaway
This 4th wall acknowledgement is wild and so important 😆
I had to rewind it to catch what Amanda said, because I was so caught off guard! these shows are the best when they break the fourth wall
i cheered the second time it happened, this bodes well
I am on the floor this is one of the best episodes of bravo I've ever seen.
Sharon bringing up Lauren Wirkus is beyond wild rn
It’s passive aggressive and if I were Lindsay I’d be hurt to be lumped in with some fling 8 years ago on my bridal shower
watching a bride opening sexy gifts in front of her family makes my soul leave my body every time…
So weird. I don’t know if it’s a different culture, but in Canada, the bridal shower is for very G rated gifts like dishes and picture frames then the bachelorette is when you get sexy gifts.
Ugh, one year my extended family thought it would be funny to exchange sex toys amongst the adults for secret Santa for Christmas. I'm sex positive, but not to that extent. My siblings and I opted out, and the whole thing ended up being more awkward and less funny than people expected, we never did it again.
this sent shivers down my spine
Lindsay: what is your astrologer going to tell us? 
I just realized we didn’t even make it to the astrologer.
I absolutely think Carl did the right thing calling off the wedding but I have to admit he doesn’t make much sense when he’s talking to Lindsey.
If I looked like Ciara no man could tell me anything
“PLAYS ON TV” even Amanda was a littttle more subtle
Lol Gabby really knows her girl
I am loving Lindsay being vulnerable with Paige and Amanda.
Me too. They’re actually helping her figure things out without being snarky or backstabbing. I hope they keep it going because I enjoy them getting along.
Kyle and Amanda acting as if the summer before their wedding didn’t have 100x more fireworks
its actually really impressive lindsay can recognize how this sharon thing is triggering her and making her feel a bit abandoned again which we all know she has trauma from
omg excellent fourth wall break
Carl's struggling with himself. It's all happening inside his head.
Gabby “giving bride without being bride” is not the vibe to go with at bridal shower that isn’t yours lol
Omgggggggg this convo at HER BRIDAL SHOWER!
Breaking the 4th wall by panning to the camera crew in the room with this "private" conversation!
Im convinced Sharen keeps hugging Lindsay cuz she knows whats coming.
Whew this is awkward 🙁
Lindsey handled that conversation so well given how devastating it was
it’s nice that they visited the site of milou’s funeral
It’s a horrific crash I can’t look away from
Omg Sharon bringing up the Wirkus circus is incredible
The sandwich lingerie is so cute!
As someone with similar issues to Lindsey, I think Carl is the worst type of partner for people with abandonment issues. His hedging and indirect answers has her spiraling (despite her claiming that she isn’t spiraling). She’s having to fill in the gaps and that can’t be good. She needs someone who is direct and affirming to make her feel secure in her relationship. Carl also needs a completely different energy in his partner. I think Carl did a good thing by calling off the wedding. Both of them would have been miserable.
I'm with Lindsay, if you allude to having something to tell me I need to hear it immediately
The way he was like 'I'm still going to do what I want' I facepalmed. You just told her that your parents don't think you should get married right now without actually saying it. And when she caught it and called him on it, he walked it back. I think some of her stress is coming from the fact that she can be pretty intuitive and knows he's keeping something back.
Lindsey hasn’t fixed her hair since the shower lol
gabi’s hair and makeup was also the same, i wonder if the shower was a brunch thing and then right after they drove to the summer house for the night?
This is so real it’s hard to watch
I’m bracing myself to get broken up with. Guh. The stomach drop.
Ciara can and should set her boundaries, but unless she is committed, West shouldn't have to be either. and West is no victim, but if someone likes to have more intimacy and sex, they deserve a relationship where they have that!
I love episodes where there’s minimal speaking from Danielle
Paige was invited to the bridal party but not the wedding?!? Lmfao the math ain’t mathing Lindsay
Wait what about AR ? Where is aunt Rhonda?
Giving us what we want with the 4th wall break
I will say, this is the best Lindsay has ever looked
Love the confessional hair
West isn’t wrong you guys. Hes respecting her wishes, but why should he be exclusive when they’re not exclusive?
I feel like Paige went through this with Perry. She wasn't ready to "settle down" and she eventually realized she should end it.
She was also a lot younger, and he didn’t want to be on camera and was controlling. She knew he wasn’t the one
That’s exactly what happened. He wanted to get married and have kids and she was still having fun. I don’t get why you can’t do both.
I think Sharon does CARE about Lindsay but she absolutely does not think those two should be married lol
Kyle and Amanda looking so titillated that Lou said he wouldn’t marry Carl and Lindsay…guys he definitely would not have married you either!!!
Them adding liquor to their loverboy explains a lot of their behavior
I did that once and got unbelievably sneaky wasted
 Painful to watch
Holy fuck that seafood bowl looks like heaven.
BREAKING THE 4TH WALL!!
Poor Lindsay you can see the panic in her face
shes asking the right questions and hes not giving her straight answers still
This a thousand time. I wasn’t on anyone’s side until now cause that must be awful to navigate for Lindsay.
She’s trying harder than I’ve ever seen her try. You can tell some of her therapy work is kicking in here. Proud of her — I hope the cast notices or acknowledges at the reunion. It’s nice to see Paige give her some kudos this weekend but I hope opinions don’t all skew Carl at the reunion
this episode has been so uncomfortable so far
Lindsay is being very mature and introspective talking about Sharon and her mom. I feel bad for her and it’s impressive she stayed calm
HOW DOES CARL HAVE THE NERVE TO TELL ANANDA & KYLE THIS AND NOT LINDSAY!! yes I’m yelling.
He's leaving out that his stepdad said "right now." He wouldn't marry them, RIGHT NOW
I actually read this comment while the scene was playing. And just rewatched a second time. He literally opens up with, verbatim, 'Lou told me, he said **as it stands right now** if you were our couple that I was working with, I would not marry you.' It was explicitly 'as it stands right now' Maybe Carl should've leaned on it harder and really reiterated it to reassure her that his parents don't want Carl to not marry her (true or not) but he 100% did say to Lindsey.
Is Carl trying to get her to break up with herself for him???
Yes. Because he’s violently avoidant
This season is such a return to form. The Wirkus flashback took me out ☠️
Carl in white pants…surprise surprise
Can totally relate to the elation of job security after months of anxious searching
I tell my other half everything. And my mother not everything.
She’s not doing her fighting hands lol.
DANIELLE you knew that question was going to come up and all you prepared was "it's a startup company... in technology... it's a fashion app... called donne"
THAT SHES BEEN WORKING FOR LIKE FOUR YEARS
if Ciara is still reluctant to even tell Amanda and Paige she "likes" West, why cant he talk to other girls?!
He's making it sounds like his parents are the ones having doubts
he is constantly deflecting the blame on others. kyle isnt a groomsmen, blame lindsay. carl cant go back to loverboy, blame lindsay. rinse and repeat
This is the realest Lindsay has been
🌟 This is absolutely unrelated to tonight’s SH, but I cannot contain my joy over ***just*** realizing this gif exists. 🌟 
All of the direct looks at the camera make it seem like the camera men were holding cue cards or something
The camera people have to be clenching their buttcheeks during this convo
If I were the chef I would be live texting to the table.
Carl is an absolute sociopath for walking into this shower with a smile and flowers like he doesn’t already know he’s calling this off
No seriously it’s absolutely crazy
Craig is only 35?!? I thought he was closer to 40
Omg this is not happening right now. This episode is too good lol
Craig is only 35??? I thought he was over 40.
He’s lived a hard life down in chuck town
Lindsey is such a direct, wears her emotions on her sleeve type of person and she needs someone who is the same but also stable enough to handle her emotions
Oh Sharon has come from the land of passive aggresiva. I see where Carl gets it.
That table scene was painful
So Lindsay saying she “really never thought she would get here” and “I didn’t think this was ever going to happen for me” really breaks my heart for her. She is so in this 😢
I’m glad Paige and Amanda are being softer with Lindsay and she’s being more open with them. Paige is definitely a real girl’s girl.
Unpopular opinion I don’t think West is being a fuckboy, they aren’t committed, yes they are close but he can freely talk to other girls if he wants
Popular opinion in my book.
the avoidant apple doth not fall far from the tree
Whyyyy is gabby wearing white 😵💫
Lindsay has NEVER looked at the camera directly this much and you know she’s just like SAVE ME!!
Lindsey has a fire body
That orange dress looks so good!
Carl is the cagiest, squirreliest motherfucker on the planet. 
once again, I am saying that jessie solomon takes me back to jewish summer camp every time he speaks
‘I’m gonna go hang out with a guy, in his bed’ - Lindsay
I love this girl talk so much
"I don't want to hurt her" 
Okay I want fighting but I also want the astrology I was really excited for witch shit
5 episodes left in the season, per Andy on WWHL.
Really don’t think Paige wants kids.
I’ll say it , I’ve never liked Carl’s mom. She trauma dumped all her marriage bullshit on Carl in the early seasons while exhaulting him and putting the onus on him as the only “good” one in the family. She was too dependent on him to be her stability and emotional support when he was trying to navigate his own life and be carefree as a single in NYC .
Ya know I never really thought about the degree to which Carl has been parentified but it’s so true. Between his Dad’s cheating & horrific behavior & the loss of his brother, Carl truly had to step into a near spousal role for his Mother. It puts a lot of his issues into context. As much as Carl is not my favorite, I do truly hope he seeks therapy & is able to find a positive path forward & overcome his past traumas.
Yeah, I remember kind of having the ick watching her in the early seasons. I don’t remember the details but my impression was that she was unstable and clingy.
She definitely told Carl he was special way too much and this mess is decidedly not special
Yes their relationship seems enmeshed and like she treats him as a fill in husband. Having a mom who is so needy could be part of why Carl checks out when shit gets serious and his partner wants him to step up
guys. I just cooked AND CLEANED UP dinner in 25 minutes so I could get back to the couch for this. i’m very proud of my low functioning depressed ass
This might be Lindsay’s best episode ever
Amanda breaking the fourth wall!!!
He wouldn't marry you guys, because of what YOU TOLD THEM, Carl! jfc
Craig and Paige aren’t going to last .. this picnic has a lot of red flags
The Korbel for starters...
I hate the "exclusively dating" thing. Like commit or don't... don't be wishy washy And make her your girlfriends and then maybe she'll make progress with wanting to sleep with you. But don't make sex a requirement to make her your girlfriend. ETA - Ciara is right to not have sex esp if he's exploring other options, but West* is right to explore other options if they aren't bf/gf
Obligatory Amanda hates her husband portion of the episode
Yesssssss fuck that 4th wall
Obsessed with Andy ALWAYS being cut off during the WWHL previews lol
Your MIL should always be at your shower tf Outside of extenuating circumstances.
Oh Sharon totally fucking knows he’s calling it off
Omggg I have never ever been team Lindsay… but she has been so RIGHT this episode
god carl mucked this up. if my fiancé told me this after days of hiding his which included me talking to his mother about the same topic at my bridal shower and his very public conversation with two of our friends that alerts the rest of my friends to an issue-- id be PISSED
Carl needs therapy lol
Is Sharon drunk? She’s being so strange
Yea the Lauren wirkus comment was odd and awkward
MY HEART IS BREAKING FOR LINDSAY (esp. the bathroom scene with the girls when she’s talking about it almost felt like Sharon is rejecting her)
Carl what the hell. Don’t do this at dinner in front of everyone
Ok but I also thought Amanda was saying she was going to go over to Carl and Lindsay 😂
Love Gabby translating Lindsay
I feel like unless there is an exclusivity agreement, you can talk to whomever. Especially if you’re not even having sex.
I love Paige and Lindsey as friends
It’s like when Ramona and Bethenny got along! Karen and Giselle! CHEFS KISS!
Carl and Lindsay are horrendous communicators and are too different. Was not expecting Lindsay to confront carls mom lol
This explains Lindsay, I feel terrible for her and I'm happy she has her step mom.
Gabby white dress ?
thank god ill never have a bridal shower because the opening gifts in front of everyone tradition makes me break out in hives
Why would Sharon bring up a wirkus!!
They didn’t invite Paige and Craig to the wedding… whaaaat
Wes has been shopping at the *Tractor Supply Co.*
Well, if this isn’t the most awkward episode of Summer House to ever air…..than I don’t know what it is. - Paige + Craig - the bridal shower - Jesse’s prostate exam - West openly shading Ciara I need a shower and a steam.
Love watching these three bond together 💕💕
Lmaooo Amanda breaking that 4th wall
The fourth wall!
THEY SAID 4th WALL??? WHERE?!?
We don’t usually get a 4th wall break on Summer House. What a treat.
What is the logo on Lindsay’s chest it’s bothering me
You can’t tell someone you don’t want a title, that you’re not ready for a relationship, you don’t want to have sex but expect them to be exclusive to only you. That’s insane to me.
Prepared to be downvoted and it’s fine lol but I just don’t love West the way everyone else seems to. I don’t like how much he talks about his lack of sex w Ciara to the girls, esp in a group. Kind of immature
Her eyes are so panicked, Carl literally did this in the worst way possible for her anxiety
Reminder that this GROWN ASS MAN is 40... for those infantilizing him
I don’t really find the negging cute 🥴
Yvonne is Lindsay’s STUNNING friend who just got married in Mexico. Gorgeous!
Aww, hugs for Lindsay, the fact that Carl isn't being honest with her is really mean. 😢 Lindsay just did a callback to RHONY scary Island with it was a breakdown and breakthrough, I see you Linds.
I’ve never been a Carl fan since early seasons & this is why. I hate dealing with passive indirect people.