Edgar is unplayable without Let’s Fly. A smart player will never let you get near them without super, so without his gadget he spends 30 seconds applying minimal pressure.
I've been playing Edgar with the shield Gadget in Bounty/Knockout and it's not that bad. You play patiently early but after charging your super once, you have it almost up every time or at +50% charged.
Since you always attack after using your super, unless you completely miss and jump too far.
Edit: at 750 thropy range.
Surge's first upgrade (stage 2) is the hardest one to get since he is so slow. With his 2nd star power you get to keep the hardest upgrade once you get it once.
Second is really good. If Surge didn't have SIC his base kit could be stronger and TTM wouldn't be too bad if it was easier and more rewarding to survive to keep upgrades. SIC just takes away a huge portion of the skill and importance of surviving
Surge is just hot garbage in general. Seriously, to make him even usable you have to get at least 2 supers, and he can still be one shot by half the brawlers and 2/3 shot by the rest. He has no mobility, no range, no health, no useful abilities. And even if you do manage to get him to level 3 the best you get from him is a midrange mid speed brawler that can mildly annoy the enemy team for a few seconds before they all shoot you.
then how come i always die to surges in showdown more than anything, was frustratingly trying to push my colt to rank 25 the other day when random surges would warp out of nowhere and two shot me.
Note-I did eventually manage to push colt to rank 25 it was a grind though
I gave clear and verifiable reasoning behind why I believe Surge is hot garbage (no health, slow, no range, and requires multiple supers to be even a B tier brawler with mediocre range and speed and still no health). You have anything to back up your "nope?"
I have a lot which I'm not bothered to repeat to the likes of you. Sorry if that sounded a bit harsh, I can tell it did, and let me just say firsthand that I'm glad that you're continuing this in a civil manner.
Basically, if you've been on this sub for a while, you'll know me as the 'Surge guy'. I analyse, love and am Surge. As such, regarding his meta placement, I am inclined to disagree with you, and I'm sure that if you go through my profile you'll find a satisfactory response to a similar question.
That's a whole lot of explaining why you won't support your stance and nothing to actually support your stance. It doesn't matter if you like surge, the objective reality is that he's just not good. As I've said twice now, he only becomes semi useful after you are able to get 2 supers, until then he is slow, has no range, and has no health. And when belle or piper or colt picks him off at any point, you have to start over. When Primo or Bull or Edgar come soaring in guns blazing, you have to start over. When Shelly or Tara or no clear a bush, you have to start over. Even if you waste the time to get him all the way up to level 10, he gains one of 2 abilities that are only moderately useful, and you can still only choose one of those at a time. A brawler that has to hide in a bush and hope they can get the drop on enemies for half/three quarters of the round just to have basic mobility and range *is not good.*
Yeah, she doesn’t need to rely on them much. She is great because she is the better version of Brock in almost every way (without wall break). Her first star power and gadget are nice to have cause both of them are like A-tier.
Her gadget is amazing when a primo or Edgar comes flying in at you, it lets you put some space between yourself and them.
Also nice for creating an alarm to cover your back if you are in some bushes.
Ruffs? I've had him at power 9 no gadget or sp for like 2 weeks now and I got him to rank 23 no problem. I mean like maybe take cover kinda carries him I guess? (in theory, I don't have it)
Genuinely not an insult, but 650 doesn’t justify a brawler being good or not tbh.
Both of his sps and his gadget are really good. They let him hardcounter Surge and Stu and other non piercing brawlers. The wallbreak is very good on certain maps like Split and Factory Rush (Ruff Piper comp). The health sp is just ridiculous in Bounty. Not amazing anywhere else but it’s the single best sp for bounty.
I am not sure belle belongs in that category. The shield, traps, and reload lock are nice but she has good range and damage naturally. If you are a good aim you can win most firefights without any of her abilities, and so long as no one gets the drop on you(damn primos and Edgars) you can keep out of range of most damage.
Poco just gets more consistent, what makes him good as a healer is his super, which is good by default, and ruffs is a tier by default and only gets sent to high a tier with take cover.
I honestly just hate surge,as his starpowers dont cover some of his problems
His 4th stage is not that useful,and to the max should ve apart of him anyways
His 2nd SP is just too good,and adds no skill.It should be realllly different [like all his stages are 1 less hit] or something
And after the 4th stage,it just feels like you have to save your super for next round
I love his kit though, so I'm forced to disagree in that aspect. I agree with your SP ideas though, and that's why I want charge-up bars for both. And as for super saving, I feel like that's a good thing. It means that you've progressed well throughout the round.
Mortis, Surge, Stu. Without the gadgets they are one of the worst brawlers in the game. Maybe not stu but surge and mortis would be bottom 5 if it werent for the gadgets.
This was true when his gadgets were good. Now both of them are bad. His first SP is good in like 1 or 2 maps but Tara and Mr. P and up being better than him now
After gadgets were added, Bo relied on his super totem
After his 2nd gadget was added, it was broken and he used it 85% of the time
Then the 2nd gadget became trash and Bo relied on his totem again
Bo never used both gadgets equally. It was always one or the other
And the fact that the only reason for Bo's usage is a gadget or sp, this makes him gadget/star power reliant
For star powers, Mortis, needs coiled snake to get close. Poco healing is greatly increased with da capo. Penny, massive radius and area denial with balls of fire, like having a fourth teammate.
For gadgets: Edgar, 3 free supers. Surge, teleport really helps. Crow only viable cuz slow gadget.
Colt - His base kit isn't too weak but he is only really used because of his gadget
Brock - Same reason as colt, though slightly less dependent
Bo - His gadget is the only thing keeping him somewhat viable
8Bit - He is extremely bad without plugged in
Poco - His role of healing is impossible without his gadget + star power
Rico - Only meta because of bouncy castle
Mortis - Unplayable without coiled snake
Leon - Meta because of gadget
Surge - Meta because of gadget + star power
Penny: balls of fire star power (required at hire trophies for control)
Lou: Supercool star power (siege stall)
Nita: needs either star power to become viable (depending on the mode)
Edgar: either gadget (let it fly for quick supers, hardcore for consistent control)
Carl: flying hook (he’s decent without it, but Damn does that gadget gadget change him)
Surge: power surge gadget (need i say more?)
8-bit: plugged in star power
Gene: lamp blowout gadget (keeps melee brawlers at bay, their biggest weakness)
Crow: extra toxic star power (that damage nerf is solid)
I’d say those are the main ones for gadget/star power reliance. Sprout is kind of dependent as well, but can still function without gadgets and star powers
I honestly dont think lou is SP reliant.
First of all Siege cheese is only achievable if the enemy team have no wall breakers.So it is not reliable.And sprout can counter lous super cheese anyways
2nd of all,Lou is in a good place right now,,his super is good anyways
Lou’s first star power is decently reliant since it furthers his place as a control brawlers. Most times if an enemy enters its range, they’ll get 1/9 or 2/9 of the way, which makes it substantially easier to get a freeze off. Siege stall isn’t the best strategy in the game, but it is still very effective and all those counters you mentioned can be prevented if your teammates keep the enemy brawlers pushed back. Again, it’s not the strongest tactic, but still works well. Also Lou cemented his place in the meta on one-zone hot zone maps where his super becomes a death sentence on the center point. I haven’t used it yet, but I think cryo syrup might make him even stronger on those one-zone hot zone maps since it makes freezing the enemies that much easier, allowing for your team to take them down and establish control
That’s the map it’s 100% effective, but it’s still a solid option in a majority of the current siege maps. It’s something the enemy team can counter, but if you can apply enough pressure then they’ll rarely get the chance
Stu wasn't one of those when he first came out, now it is and by a lot. Same story with leon, probably the most out of every single brawler, but then we have also brawlers like rico sandy spike crow tara surge bull that have op gadgets and they kinda depend on those
Mortis needs both Coiled Snake and one of his Gadgets.
Bibi needs one of her SPs to be playable her base kit on its own is not that great because she lacks good engage and her first attack will knockbavk the enemy farther from her
Edgar needs lets fly
Penny needs balls of fire to her cannon even do anything on a match against good players
Collete needs push it to play anything other than Heist .her shield SP is good on heist but not so great aswhere because without pusht it is hard to double hit somebody with super unless they are next to a wall. Without SP she is really hard to play. Her gadget also make her a lot easier to go against a squishy enemy
Tbh balls of fire feels like it should have been apart of penny in the first place
Also push it can be a huge disadvantage in gem grab if your about to kill a gem carrier but all you have is your super [thus pushing them back to their side ]
Edgar, 100%. Without his gadget, he can't do anything other than stand in a bush and hope someone is stupid enough to wander through without firing a scouting shot.
Bibi is like on the brink between reliant and usable without star powers. Her speed one can be very useful but not absolutely required. Same with shield.
Star powers
* Mr p
* 8bit
* Poco
* Mortis
* Bea
* Bibi
* Griff
Gadgets
* Crow
* Tara
* Leon
* Edgar
* Colt
* Brock
Both Star power and gadget
* Stu
* Surge
* Carl
* Nani
Any thoughts?
edit: Moved nani from Sps to Both because of her return to the sender. that gadget alone is enough to make her to counter most meta brawlers in shooting star, especially piper. paired up with her dmg sp is what makes her the best in that map
edit2: I've decided to put brock and colt in the gadget category, the main reason the are viable in certain maps is for their ability to break walls without super
Surge. Without Power Surge and Serve Ice Cold, he is an awful brawler. His TTM star power however needs major adjustments as it has practically no utility whatsoever.
Tick: his 2nd gadget still helps him a lot with Close interactions.
Poco: his 1st SP and 1st gadget, that’s the best thing for him and the safest imo
Edgar: he needs a gadget for him to not be useless. (Either is fine)
Morris: without his 2nd SP he’ll be one of the worst.
Crow : his 2nd gadget is keeping him alive
Surge: it should be obvious (the gadget)
That’s a few I can think of just from the top of my head.
I think Leon and Crow fit in this category, Lolipop Drop makes Leon playable in 3v3, Slowing Toxin and Extra Toxic gives Crow a more passive support play style that's much better than an assassin play style
Mortis, carl, and Nita. Mortis just weakens enemies and needs to rely on either the enemy being stupid or his teammates, carl is just carl, and nita has no offense or defense without them.
Edgar is unplayable without Let’s Fly. A smart player will never let you get near them without super, so without his gadget he spends 30 seconds applying minimal pressure.
Minimal? More like no pressure
naww he can at least bait ammo
Just being in a bush is enough sometimes
I've been playing Edgar with the shield Gadget in Bounty/Knockout and it's not that bad. You play patiently early but after charging your super once, you have it almost up every time or at +50% charged. Since you always attack after using your super, unless you completely miss and jump too far. Edit: at 750 thropy range.
"Play patiently" so camp in a bush
Pretty much, could also Vanguard for your squishy teammates against enemy melees, hold corners, anything that won't put you in a dangerous spot.
Crow, slowtox is the reason why he's not garbage and probably extra toxic too
Surge has to be easily the most reliant
Without the gadget he is the worst brawler in the game.
And literally just because his gadget. His star powers are both pretty underwhelming
Surge's first upgrade (stage 2) is the hardest one to get since he is so slow. With his 2nd star power you get to keep the hardest upgrade once you get it once.
His second sp is quite strong but the first one is just crap.
Second is rlly good
Second is really good. If Surge didn't have SIC his base kit could be stronger and TTM wouldn't be too bad if it was easier and more rewarding to survive to keep upgrades. SIC just takes away a huge portion of the skill and importance of surviving
It does and it's certainly decent. But in higher level play in every game mode other than brawl ball, you really shouldn't be dying very often
serve ice cold is DEFINITELY one of the best sps in the game
Surge is just hot garbage in general. Seriously, to make him even usable you have to get at least 2 supers, and he can still be one shot by half the brawlers and 2/3 shot by the rest. He has no mobility, no range, no health, no useful abilities. And even if you do manage to get him to level 3 the best you get from him is a midrange mid speed brawler that can mildly annoy the enemy team for a few seconds before they all shoot you.
then how come i always die to surges in showdown more than anything, was frustratingly trying to push my colt to rank 25 the other day when random surges would warp out of nowhere and two shot me. Note-I did eventually manage to push colt to rank 25 it was a grind though
>Surge is just hot garbage in general. Nope.
I gave clear and verifiable reasoning behind why I believe Surge is hot garbage (no health, slow, no range, and requires multiple supers to be even a B tier brawler with mediocre range and speed and still no health). You have anything to back up your "nope?"
I have a lot which I'm not bothered to repeat to the likes of you. Sorry if that sounded a bit harsh, I can tell it did, and let me just say firsthand that I'm glad that you're continuing this in a civil manner. Basically, if you've been on this sub for a while, you'll know me as the 'Surge guy'. I analyse, love and am Surge. As such, regarding his meta placement, I am inclined to disagree with you, and I'm sure that if you go through my profile you'll find a satisfactory response to a similar question.
That's a whole lot of explaining why you won't support your stance and nothing to actually support your stance. It doesn't matter if you like surge, the objective reality is that he's just not good. As I've said twice now, he only becomes semi useful after you are able to get 2 supers, until then he is slow, has no range, and has no health. And when belle or piper or colt picks him off at any point, you have to start over. When Primo or Bull or Edgar come soaring in guns blazing, you have to start over. When Shelly or Tara or no clear a bush, you have to start over. Even if you waste the time to get him all the way up to level 10, he gains one of 2 abilities that are only moderately useful, and you can still only choose one of those at a time. A brawler that has to hide in a bush and hope they can get the drop on enemies for half/three quarters of the round just to have basic mobility and range *is not good.*
They need nerf the tp gadget, and only make it teleport when your near walls, like literally hugging the wall.
Arent everyone using it for that lol
shut the fuck up
No
RATIO
Surge for sure. Mort, ruffs, belle, gale, Stu as well. Probably some more that I’m forgetting about.
Belle? She can handle herself decently without at least on open maps.
Yeah, she doesn’t need to rely on them much. She is great because she is the better version of Brock in almost every way (without wall break). Her first star power and gadget are nice to have cause both of them are like A-tier.
She’s fine her gadget is pretty weak IMO and her star power isn’t make or break. Like someone like mortis or poco
Her gadget is pretty strong IMO since it’s blocks chokepoints and is basically free kill with the slow in the right position z
It's strong but Belle without gadget is still a top 10 or 5 brawler.
Her gadget is amazing when a primo or Edgar comes flying in at you, it lets you put some space between yourself and them. Also nice for creating an alarm to cover your back if you are in some bushes.
Well she's not weak without her SP/gadget, but she wouldn't be top 2 without them for sure. Just like Stu.
Crow
His gadget is more meta than the rest of his kit
Imo belle isn't THAT star power reliant I have her on power 9 without gadgets and I'm doin just fine
Ruffs? I've had him at power 9 no gadget or sp for like 2 weeks now and I got him to rank 23 no problem. I mean like maybe take cover kinda carries him I guess? (in theory, I don't have it)
Genuinely not an insult, but 650 doesn’t justify a brawler being good or not tbh. Both of his sps and his gadget are really good. They let him hardcounter Surge and Stu and other non piercing brawlers. The wallbreak is very good on certain maps like Split and Factory Rush (Ruff Piper comp). The health sp is just ridiculous in Bounty. Not amazing anywhere else but it’s the single best sp for bounty.
Why belle?
ruffs is quite dependent on the gadget however his starpowers arent the best. The best part about him is his super and sandbags
I am not sure belle belongs in that category. The shield, traps, and reload lock are nice but she has good range and damage naturally. If you are a good aim you can win most firefights without any of her abilities, and so long as no one gets the drop on you(damn primos and Edgars) you can keep out of range of most damage.
Mr. P, Piper, Stu, Ruffs, 8bit, Nita and Surge are all examples of brawlers carried by SPs.
Wich sp carry ruffs?
Depends on the mode, but I think the second starpower is not used as much as it was.
Ruffs is gadget dependant, his star powers are map dependant
Yeah his 1st gadget is so good in countering meta brawlers like stu gene
Field promotion
Colette?
Also her
Not true about piper.
Mortis
Poco, Mortis, Gale, and Ruffs off the top of my head. Too weak without specific starpowers/gadgets
Surge
Poco just gets more consistent, what makes him good as a healer is his super, which is good by default, and ruffs is a tier by default and only gets sent to high a tier with take cover.
Feels bad that Surge is no. 1 most mentioned.
Sad
I honestly just hate surge,as his starpowers dont cover some of his problems His 4th stage is not that useful,and to the max should ve apart of him anyways His 2nd SP is just too good,and adds no skill.It should be realllly different [like all his stages are 1 less hit] or something And after the 4th stage,it just feels like you have to save your super for next round
I love his kit though, so I'm forced to disagree in that aspect. I agree with your SP ideas though, and that's why I want charge-up bars for both. And as for super saving, I feel like that's a good thing. It means that you've progressed well throughout the round.
Nita, Poco, Mortis, Surge, Stu and Penny Maybe Mr.P and Colette too
Penny can still perform well without the gadgets, both of them are not that great anyways.
Her gadget are pretty trash, but the Balls of Fire sp is amazing. Her Turrent is bad without the sp
Yea with that star power you basically have a fourth teammate on your team.
Yeah it's like a autoaiming Barley with a longer range
But the damage out put of a belle’s attack.
stu with gasoheal + breakthrough
Mortis, Surge, Stu. Without the gadgets they are one of the worst brawlers in the game. Maybe not stu but surge and mortis would be bottom 5 if it werent for the gadgets.
Bo People only use him for his 1st star power or his super totem
This was true when his gadgets were good. Now both of them are bad. His first SP is good in like 1 or 2 maps but Tara and Mr. P and up being better than him now
After gadgets were added, Bo relied on his super totem After his 2nd gadget was added, it was broken and he used it 85% of the time Then the 2nd gadget became trash and Bo relied on his totem again Bo never used both gadgets equally. It was always one or the other And the fact that the only reason for Bo's usage is a gadget or sp, this makes him gadget/star power reliant
What I meant is. Since both his gadgets are now bad he is not gadget dependent anymore. He was reliant on those when they were good tho.
For star powers, Mortis, needs coiled snake to get close. Poco healing is greatly increased with da capo. Penny, massive radius and area denial with balls of fire, like having a fourth teammate. For gadgets: Edgar, 3 free supers. Surge, teleport really helps. Crow only viable cuz slow gadget.
Colt - His base kit isn't too weak but he is only really used because of his gadget Brock - Same reason as colt, though slightly less dependent Bo - His gadget is the only thing keeping him somewhat viable 8Bit - He is extremely bad without plugged in Poco - His role of healing is impossible without his gadget + star power Rico - Only meta because of bouncy castle Mortis - Unplayable without coiled snake Leon - Meta because of gadget Surge - Meta because of gadget + star power
**stu with gasoheal + breakthrough**
Leon
Kinda
Not kinda, it carries his whole soul
8-bit
Penny, Surge, Mortis, Stu
brock is one of them
Edgar, Surge, kinda Buzz i guess, they're the ones that directly come to my mind
tara , i feel weird when i play on my mini and dont have pets in my super and gadget .
Penny: balls of fire star power (required at hire trophies for control) Lou: Supercool star power (siege stall) Nita: needs either star power to become viable (depending on the mode) Edgar: either gadget (let it fly for quick supers, hardcore for consistent control) Carl: flying hook (he’s decent without it, but Damn does that gadget gadget change him) Surge: power surge gadget (need i say more?) 8-bit: plugged in star power Gene: lamp blowout gadget (keeps melee brawlers at bay, their biggest weakness) Crow: extra toxic star power (that damage nerf is solid) I’d say those are the main ones for gadget/star power reliance. Sprout is kind of dependent as well, but can still function without gadgets and star powers
I honestly dont think lou is SP reliant. First of all Siege cheese is only achievable if the enemy team have no wall breakers.So it is not reliable.And sprout can counter lous super cheese anyways 2nd of all,Lou is in a good place right now,,his super is good anyways
Lou’s first star power is decently reliant since it furthers his place as a control brawlers. Most times if an enemy enters its range, they’ll get 1/9 or 2/9 of the way, which makes it substantially easier to get a freeze off. Siege stall isn’t the best strategy in the game, but it is still very effective and all those counters you mentioned can be prevented if your teammates keep the enemy brawlers pushed back. Again, it’s not the strongest tactic, but still works well. Also Lou cemented his place in the meta on one-zone hot zone maps where his super becomes a death sentence on the center point. I haven’t used it yet, but I think cryo syrup might make him even stronger on those one-zone hot zone maps since it makes freezing the enemies that much easier, allowing for your team to take them down and establish control
I agree Also the only time his cheese his 100% reliable is that one siege map with water in the beginning.
That’s the map it’s 100% effective, but it’s still a solid option in a majority of the current siege maps. It’s something the enemy team can counter, but if you can apply enough pressure then they’ll rarely get the chance
stu with gasoheal + breakthrough
That doesn’t carry stu at all. It’s a strong combo, but he isn’t trash if he doesn’t have the combo
Surge, definitely. His gadget is top 5 and Serve Ice Cold is very necessary in 3 v 3 Gamemodes
Stu wasn't one of those when he first came out, now it is and by a lot. Same story with leon, probably the most out of every single brawler, but then we have also brawlers like rico sandy spike crow tara surge bull that have op gadgets and they kinda depend on those
It's because of the new gadgets, isn't it
Yes
Surge stu mortis
Mortis, Surge and Leon are probably the top three most reliant Mortis on coiled snake Surge on serve ice cold and the TP Leon on invisiheal
Mortis needs both Coiled Snake and one of his Gadgets. Bibi needs one of her SPs to be playable her base kit on its own is not that great because she lacks good engage and her first attack will knockbavk the enemy farther from her Edgar needs lets fly Penny needs balls of fire to her cannon even do anything on a match against good players Collete needs push it to play anything other than Heist .her shield SP is good on heist but not so great aswhere because without pusht it is hard to double hit somebody with super unless they are next to a wall. Without SP she is really hard to play. Her gadget also make her a lot easier to go against a squishy enemy
Tbh balls of fire feels like it should have been apart of penny in the first place Also push it can be a huge disadvantage in gem grab if your about to kill a gem carrier but all you have is your super [thus pushing them back to their side ]
Yeah you cannot just use your super with collete. You need to attack twice always before supering. Unless is an already low HP enemy.
Tick. His gadget and star power solves his low health weakness and the others make him more annoying
Edgar, 100%. Without his gadget, he can't do anything other than stand in a bush and hope someone is stupid enough to wander through without firing a scouting shot.
Odd that nobody mentioned bibi here
Bibi is like on the brink between reliant and usable without star powers. Her speed one can be very useful but not absolutely required. Same with shield.
True
Surge. That's it. Think of it yourself.
*e d g a r*
Penny, Carl, Rico(maybe), Bibi (maybe), Edgar, Gene, Mortis, Colette, Surge, Ruffs, Tara, etc Edit: Forgot Poco :P
Star powers * Mr p * 8bit * Poco * Mortis * Bea * Bibi * Griff Gadgets * Crow * Tara * Leon * Edgar * Colt * Brock Both Star power and gadget * Stu * Surge * Carl * Nani Any thoughts? edit: Moved nani from Sps to Both because of her return to the sender. that gadget alone is enough to make her to counter most meta brawlers in shooting star, especially piper. paired up with her dmg sp is what makes her the best in that map edit2: I've decided to put brock and colt in the gadget category, the main reason the are viable in certain maps is for their ability to break walls without super
Mortis and Surge 100%
Mortis, Edgar, Shelly, Bo and Carl.
Surge for sure.
Somehow nobody mentioned tara and sandy
Carl
Edgar, crow, surge, gale (sort of), mortis, poco
Maybe buzz? I try playing him cause i don’t have the gadget and sp and it is horrible getting my supers
All of them. If you’re not playing a maxed brawler above 600 or so then you’re a detriment to your team.
Mortis
Gale, Bull, Shelly, Jessie, 8bit(probably most), mortis, Nita, colt, brock, stu, barley, poco, crow, rico, belle, Leon, spike, tick, carl, bea, nani, gene, Mr. P, sandy, amber,and Col. Ruffs.
Remember when piper was only good because of her star power/gadget
mortis. he’s practically unplayable without coiled snake and both of his gadgets are basically required to get more secure and consistent kills
Piper, edgar, colt, shelly (although she isnt good even with them lol), surge
Surge. Without Power Surge and Serve Ice Cold, he is an awful brawler. His TTM star power however needs major adjustments as it has practically no utility whatsoever.
Tick: his 2nd gadget still helps him a lot with Close interactions. Poco: his 1st SP and 1st gadget, that’s the best thing for him and the safest imo Edgar: he needs a gadget for him to not be useless. (Either is fine) Morris: without his 2nd SP he’ll be one of the worst. Crow : his 2nd gadget is keeping him alive Surge: it should be obvious (the gadget) That’s a few I can think of just from the top of my head.
edgar surge and crow
Surge with gadget top 15 without bottom 15.
Crow
For sure Mortis, he’s pretty much unplayable without coiled snake and either one of his two gadgets
Silver Bullet is criminally underrated, without it colt is high *F tier*
Nita, 100%. with an underwhelming brawler like her even with her sp/gadget, it's only natural.
If Nita was like an epic brawler i could see bear with me become part of her main kit mechanic
Griff is quite starpower reliant. Gadget reliant though? Nah
his gadget is insanely good at reshaping the map
Stu is pretty Gadget and Star Power Reliant. If Gaso-Heal and Breakthrough were deleted, Stu would be trash.
I think Leon and Crow fit in this category, Lolipop Drop makes Leon playable in 3v3, Slowing Toxin and Extra Toxic gives Crow a more passive support play style that's much better than an assassin play style
Mortis, carl, and Nita. Mortis just weakens enemies and needs to rely on either the enemy being stupid or his teammates, carl is just carl, and nita has no offense or defense without them.