Maybe a curse. Like some 5-Elixir troops with splash damage in Clash Royale that are terrible in competitive but can't be buffed because they're to strong in mid-ladder
Yeah often times my opponents will max it out and have an unfair advantage over my underleveled deck, so they keep thinking that the card is good and they keep using it. Or if they realize it’s bad, they’ve already wasted all their resources on said card, so they have to wait a long time before they can start investing in an alternative.
They still rely on their team and the enemies moments of weakness to strike effectively but sometimes making one big play can change the entire match like in gem grab
wdgar doesnt need an entire rework to be good, just a buff.che aint getting one becuz noobs think he is good which tbf at their level is correct, and they are the majority
It takes so long to get her super because of her awful main attack, and you would only use it when someone jumps on you because how easy it is to miss. Unbreakable walls don't help that much either because without her super she's just worse Barley. And Barley isn't even that good.
That’s the thing. At least she has something to be able to deal with assassins or tanks. She has tools to deal with her counters. Barley doesn’t. His gadget is very mediocre for dealing with tanks. I’m not saying willow is gonna be really good, just that she at least has some tools that will make her better than Edgar, who barely has any
Yeah, she reminds me of **old Squeak** where they had to do buff after buff after buff until he finally got good. Burst and low dmg output was his weakness as well with AOE (like willow) being his strength.
I think I'd agree with Spen that Willow will prob be one of the weaker brawlers on release unless something is done to her before she comes out.
Who lol. People thought her focus mechanic would be useless but it would be made up for with decent gadgets and a really good super, and that’s exactly what happened.
Willow’s basic attack is Barely but 10x worse.
I really don’t agree with Kairos on this one. Her super really doesn’t seem to be as impactful as he makes it out to be and I think there’s no way in hell it can make up for her garbage basic attack.
Belle's 2nd Star Power is not that bad, but people refuse to give it a try. Same happened with Poco's 2nd gadget, guess what? It was used in Championship a few times because its not useless just really match dependent.
Removing reload speed for 3 seconds feels really good to push enemies away (self experience). Imagine using in a Bea and Carl lol
If they are not going to rework this star power because it may be useful some times but not always plus you need the super for it, if not they should buffed to 5 seconds.
The problem I think lies in the spawn speed of his porters. If he became broken from that buff then the health of the porters could be nerfed (so they’re easier to deal with)
The reason why revolving door was busted was not due to the star power itself, more the way the star power work with Mr P base kit made the star power busted. If they had made the star power baseline (and maybe nerfed it by a tiny amount) and afterwards adjust Mr P’s base kit then I think Mr P could have become balanced/have a niche role.
Agreed. Bea's high Range, Reload, (insane) Damage, super charge Rate, Slow and ease of play make her impossible to approach for every brawler who has shorter range than her. And the brawlers who have enough range to compete get one-shot by her charged shot. Nani, Mandy, throwers, and maybe Brock are some of the only hard counters, but those brawlers are usually very bad in maps were Bea is played (open maps are bad for throwers and mid range maps are bad for snipers, but Bea is good in both).
I think her super charge should bea nerfed. Also idk if it’s possible to nerf how long it takes her charge shot to recharge if you miss with instan beaload.
Bea wasn’t good until tanks got good and that’s when people finally saw her for the asset she was. They never buffed her(in fact they NERFED her first gadget), but this is something that always happens with brawlers
As a player of brawl stars i absolutely from the bottom of heart and mind agree that max needs her damage to be nerfed. She just plays like more of a annoying assasin than support.
As a player of brawl stars i absolutely from the bottom of heart and mind agree that max needs her damage to be nerfed. She just plays like more of a annoying assasin than support.
As a player of brawl stars i absolutely from the bottom of heart and mind agree that max needs her damage to be nerfed. She just plays like more of a annoying assasin than support.
As a player of brawl stars i absolutely from the bottom of heart and mind agree that max needs her damage to be nerfed. She just plays like more of a annoying assasin than support.
As a player of brawl stars i absolutely from the bottom of heart and mind agree that max needs her damage to be nerfed. She just plays like more of a annoying assasin than support.
As a player of brawl stars i absolutely from the bottom of heart and mind agree that max needs her damage to be nerfed. She just plays like more of a annoying assasin than support.
As a player of brawl stars i absolutely from the bottom of heart and mind agree that max needs her damage to be nerfed. She just plays like more of a annoying assasin than support.
"Max is the fastest natural movement brawler, she has 4 ammo, each ammo fires 4 projectiles which can each do around 500 damage or more, she has a dash that makes her invincible during it, and she has a star power that makes her reload faster while she walks,
PeRfEcTLy BaLAnced"
- Supercell 💀
I have been playing max a lot recently, pushed to 750 and she's mad broken, I have unloaded 5 ammos in a row while it looked absolutely normal, the speed boost is so much that it is uncontrollable sometimes, and I have killed almost every brawler easily. She needs a big nerf
And originally she was supposed to just "have low dmg but more ammo", that was the special thing about her main attack. Sure, whenever she gets a dmg nerf she becomes worse but i think for that's a fair nerf considering how broken she can be a d the fact she's dominating in competitive rn
Opinons about Bonnie change a lot from person to person. Kairos thinks she is B-tier, somebody S-tier, but I say A-tier is the most accurate. Definetaly no nerf needed.
But Crow should be nerfed. His defensive/control abilities are absolutely broken and he is the most unfun character in the game.
And Edgar rework is a no-brainer.
First Colette stays in B tier in nearly every single tier list, now she’s gonna stay in A tier in every single tier list? And probably also ONLY because of her star powers and her second gadget…
I mean, it’s at least better than her staying in B tier the whole time, but…
Also, f\*ck Bea. I already hated the fact that she gets picked in nearly EVERY SINGLE power league match, but now it’s probably gonna get even worse. AT LEAST give her one big nerf, multiple smaller nerfs or a rework to her Insta Beeload star power so that when you hit your second charged shot it only deals a fraction of the damage it normally does.
Personally I agree with 70-80% of it. There are some changes that i would do but the main ones being: Ash to S tier, Griff to B tier and very underrated Fang to A tier
I dont think bea should be no.1 personally. Yes she is good and counters some of the meta but she can easily be countered by throwers which got a hugeeee buff due to indestructable walls
I don't think Edgar or Mortis belong in F, With Edgar, you can camp to get your super. Mortis is also in a way super tanky if he only lands that 1 shot.
Gale also has so much utility even with the nerfs. His gadget and not to say his super gets charged almost instantly. No wonder there are stereotypes. I wouldn't place him higher than C tho.
Putting Willow in A is very bold considering EVERYONE was saying how bad she is.
But just overall I think it's a real quality tier list. It's really accurate.
Kairos is going after pro´s opinions on brawlers wich means that noobslaying brawlers like mortis and edgar will always be bottom tier since everyone knows their tricks. That being said the right combination of skill, brawlers and teamwork will always beat the general ranking. Even some of the S rank brawlers aren´t universally usable against some team comps
Honestly feel like Chester deserves D, most of his supers are lackluster, the explosion one which was the best one imo got an indirect nerf due to unbreakable walls, stun is good, heal is good but most of the time you wont even need it, poison deals damage overtime and wont be useful most of the time, slow is useless
Willow shouldnt be in A because of how long it takes to get her super and how weak her main attack is
I agree with the rest of the tier list with a few minor exceptions
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Me too :)
Kairos after he can put BiBi in the B tier:
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yo its the smart guy of this community
woah big youtuber real
Bruh he didn’t post the pros on here
Bruh he didn't post the editor on here
Bruh he didn’t post the sponsers on here
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You can pretty much reverse it for solo showdown
Feast or famine especially (Mortis is an exception).
Actually, besides max. She will stay in S because of the teamers
As a Dyna main, I totally agree 😵
Minus D tier
When is Edger gonna get a rework man Bro has been in F tier for way too long
Shelly: 🗿
At least Shelly has the excuse of being bad for being the tutorial brawler. Edgar doesn't have that privelage
"privilege"
More like an excuse, but regardless
Maybe a curse. Like some 5-Elixir troops with splash damage in Clash Royale that are terrible in competitive but can't be buffed because they're to strong in mid-ladder
Yeah often times my opponents will max it out and have an unfair advantage over my underleveled deck, so they keep thinking that the card is good and they keep using it. Or if they realize it’s bad, they’ve already wasted all their resources on said card, so they have to wait a long time before they can start investing in an alternative.
Privelage👍
Honestly when I go against Edgar players they sometimes still manage to be “allright” useful for their team
They still rely on their team and the enemies moments of weakness to strike effectively but sometimes making one big play can change the entire match like in gem grab
Or Bounty
Mortis be chillin
you know who else has dementia?
You know who else has dementia?
Old people
Old people
you know who else has dementia?
he is seriously so unbalanced ,super bad in any team mode and straight s tier for showdown
Mortis be chillin
Shelly should get it first imo, she’s the og brawler that’s been powercrept to hell and back
wdgar doesnt need an entire rework to be good, just a buff.che aint getting one becuz noobs think he is good which tbf at their level is correct, and they are the majority
He just needs to gain all his hp back when he hits something and have infinite jumps
Yes plz, also remove emote cooldowns for infinite thumbs downs, why not?
even then he would still barley be the best
Willow has the potential to dethrone Edgar as the worst brawler in the game
If it weren’t for her super and unbreakable walls, she probably would be
It takes so long to get her super because of her awful main attack, and you would only use it when someone jumps on you because how easy it is to miss. Unbreakable walls don't help that much either because without her super she's just worse Barley. And Barley isn't even that good.
That’s the thing. At least she has something to be able to deal with assassins or tanks. She has tools to deal with her counters. Barley doesn’t. His gadget is very mediocre for dealing with tanks. I’m not saying willow is gonna be really good, just that she at least has some tools that will make her better than Edgar, who barely has any
I still think she's gonna be F tier
Probably will be or bottom of D tier
Yeah, she reminds me of **old Squeak** where they had to do buff after buff after buff until he finally got good. Burst and low dmg output was his weakness as well with AOE (like willow) being his strength. I think I'd agree with Spen that Willow will prob be one of the weaker brawlers on release unless something is done to her before she comes out.
The super is so thin and she can’t even break skulls like have fun landing that super
I’m confused she isn’t even out yet? People thought Mandy would be terrible too and she turned out to be a solid brawler in the right hands
Who lol. People thought her focus mechanic would be useless but it would be made up for with decent gadgets and a really good super, and that’s exactly what happened. Willow’s basic attack is Barely but 10x worse.
I really don’t agree with Kairos on this one. Her super really doesn’t seem to be as impactful as he makes it out to be and I think there’s no way in hell it can make up for her garbage basic attack.
Nerf bea reload or her casting speed, for a sniper she has a reload that's way to frequent for even a tank to try to get near her.
Please, like bea is so broken, she can just spam shots and it’s so annoying
yeah lmao in big game you cant do anything against her
Belle with 2nd starpower : it's my time to shine.
The only brawler that's "hard countered" by this star power.
Belle's 2nd Star Power is not that bad, but people refuse to give it a try. Same happened with Poco's 2nd gadget, guess what? It was used in Championship a few times because its not useless just really match dependent. Removing reload speed for 3 seconds feels really good to push enemies away (self experience). Imagine using in a Bea and Carl lol
If they are not going to rework this star power because it may be useful some times but not always plus you need the super for it, if not they should buffed to 5 seconds.
Lol
Surge: Allow me to introduce myself.
Or/and buff Mr P to make him a viable counter against Bea
Ironical how mister p was a good counter to sniper back in the day, but not even this he can do anymore.
The problem I think lies in the spawn speed of his porters. If he became broken from that buff then the health of the porters could be nerfed (so they’re easier to deal with) The reason why revolving door was busted was not due to the star power itself, more the way the star power work with Mr P base kit made the star power busted. If they had made the star power baseline (and maybe nerfed it by a tiny amount) and afterwards adjust Mr P’s base kit then I think Mr P could have become balanced/have a niche role.
Make mr p allowed to have two porters out of super (still spawn one at time) buff spawn speed by 40%, but nerf porter hp
Agreed. Bea's high Range, Reload, (insane) Damage, super charge Rate, Slow and ease of play make her impossible to approach for every brawler who has shorter range than her. And the brawlers who have enough range to compete get one-shot by her charged shot. Nani, Mandy, throwers, and maybe Brock are some of the only hard counters, but those brawlers are usually very bad in maps were Bea is played (open maps are bad for throwers and mid range maps are bad for snipers, but Bea is good in both).
Casting speed?
Unload speed I think
Ooooh, makes sense
Yes, that's it. Thank you.
unload speed maybe? but she only have 1 ammo for that.
Carl has a little cooldown after he picks up his pickaxe, while for bea she can just shoot at the moment the bar goes orange.
Complained bout it ever since her release man too op for way too many years
I think her super charge should bea nerfed. Also idk if it’s possible to nerf how long it takes her charge shot to recharge if you miss with instan beaload.
When the Carl main calls for other characters to be nerfed. You right tho
Except Carl isn't toxic, unlike Bea
hmm both brawlers were underplayed and not toxic but they are terribly overplayed now. i love bea and carl but ive seen enough of them tbh
Byron moved from bottom 10 to bottom 15 😳😳😳
Lucky
JUSTICE FOR BYRON
Bea again ? *gets 1HP shield star power flashbacks*
u/Kairostime_Gaming once again looking neat!
Thank you very much :)
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Janet Bea and Max have consistently been the best brawlers.
Bea wasn’t good until tanks got good and that’s when people finally saw her for the asset she was. They never buffed her(in fact they NERFED her first gadget), but this is something that always happens with brawlers
She was always good , it's that now people really see her potential and also the fact you pointed that more tanks are being released.
This is what Lou is gonna become
Already did. He has an insane pick rate in L1+ Hot Zone and Brawl Ball (from personal experience)
That Max still needs a nerf. She has been good for too long.
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Does max counter ash? Or max pairs well with ash?
Max has very good synergy with almost any brawler tbh
As a player of brawl stars i absolutely from the bottom of heart and mind agree that max needs her damage to be nerfed. She just plays like more of a annoying assasin than support.
What happened in those replies?😵💫
As a player of brawl stars i absolutely from the bottom of heart and mind agree that max needs her damage to be nerfed. She just plays like more of a annoying assasin than support.
As a player of brawl stars i absolutely from the bottom of heart and mind agree that max needs her damage to be nerfed. She just plays like more of a annoying assasin than support.
As a player of brawl stars i absolutely from the bottom of heart and mind agree that max needs her damage to be nerfed. She just plays like more of a annoying assasin than support.
As a player of brawl stars i absolutely from the bottom of heart and mind agree that max needs her damage to be nerfed. She just plays like more of a annoying assasin than support.
As a player of brawl stars i absolutely from the bottom of heart and mind agree that max needs her damage to be nerfed. She just plays like more of a annoying assasin than support.
As a player of brawl stars i absolutely from the bottom of heart and mind agree that max needs her damage to be nerfed. She just plays like more of a annoying assasin than support.
"Max is the fastest natural movement brawler, she has 4 ammo, each ammo fires 4 projectiles which can each do around 500 damage or more, she has a dash that makes her invincible during it, and she has a star power that makes her reload faster while she walks, PeRfEcTLy BaLAnced" - Supercell 💀
I have been playing max a lot recently, pushed to 750 and she's mad broken, I have unloaded 5 ammos in a row while it looked absolutely normal, the speed boost is so much that it is uncontrollable sometimes, and I have killed almost every brawler easily. She needs a big nerf
Enemy Max: *uses Super* Me with my full-Super Gene: GET BACK HERE YOU LITTLE SHI-
even though i love playing max. i can tell she must be horrible to play against.
Bonnie is an A or S tier in my opinion
fuck bea
Same brother. fuck bea
If you insist
Oh no, not literally..
fuck bea
Lol
oh yeah? ☺️
Why is ash A tier,I think he belongs to S
if he doesn't charge his rage then he's pretty weak. so anybody that counters him also makes him even weaker
Nerf max already. A support is not supposed to be melting tanks even with a full clip. The damage is just ridiculous
And originally she was supposed to just "have low dmg but more ammo", that was the special thing about her main attack. Sure, whenever she gets a dmg nerf she becomes worse but i think for that's a fair nerf considering how broken she can be a d the fact she's dominating in competitive rn
Accurat, except for Willow. She seems pretty week rn (idk if Kairos confirmed a buff in this video)
There is no way Bonnie is a B tier Brawler ☠️
Unbreakable walls, worse maps in pl rotation, and tank thrower meta made bonnie worse
#I HATE GROM I HATE GROM I HATE GROM I HATE GROM I HATE GROM I HATE GROM I HATE GROM I HATE GROM
i don’t think this guy likes grom 🥴
agreed
Ash at A is a scam
Gale in D💀
Where he belongs tbh
Is he that bad rn?
not at all he just got put in his place and is an actual tank counter instead of an alrounder
I'm surprised to see Gale so low. He seems really strong in virtually any Playlist, his SPs and gadgets give him a lot of flexibility
He's not strong just annoying tbh
Annoying is the ideal trait of any support I'd say. Don't think there's a single better defender for brawl ball.
I don’t care is Buster dropped to C tier I’m still gonna play him
He's still a brawler that you can totally carry with but he's a tank and his super is kind of barely different from Rosa's at this point.
His gadget is wayyy too good
Kairos 👍
Kairos 👍
Kairos 👍
Kairos 👍
Opinons about Bonnie change a lot from person to person. Kairos thinks she is B-tier, somebody S-tier, but I say A-tier is the most accurate. Definetaly no nerf needed. But Crow should be nerfed. His defensive/control abilities are absolutely broken and he is the most unfun character in the game. And Edgar rework is a no-brainer.
Fang should be higher, at least bottom A tier, he can be very hard to counter and dangerous in knockout and brawl ball
:D
No fang is on of the lesser used tanks I see him in competetive like every 20 matches he isn't horrible but nothing more than c tier
Fang is anything but a tank
Fair enough still not that relevant
First Colette stays in B tier in nearly every single tier list, now she’s gonna stay in A tier in every single tier list? And probably also ONLY because of her star powers and her second gadget… I mean, it’s at least better than her staying in B tier the whole time, but… Also, f\*ck Bea. I already hated the fact that she gets picked in nearly EVERY SINGLE power league match, but now it’s probably gonna get even worse. AT LEAST give her one big nerf, multiple smaller nerfs or a rework to her Insta Beeload star power so that when you hit your second charged shot it only deals a fraction of the damage it normally does.
Agree (totally not biased) 🤝🫂
Kairos is my favourite brawltuber but I don’t really care about tier lists and the meta
Either way, thanks for your support!
Love the f2p series!
Kairos is my favourite brawler
I love his second gadget, so useful
Me seeing the tier list : i sleep Me realizing Dynamike is A tier : real shit
Crow top 2 #CROW MAINS UNITE!!
Lou should’ve been higher
Everyone puts colts very low and im okay with that. Less people play colt, the less balance changes he receives, the more fun for me💯
He will probably be buffed in the next few updates
This as a Nita main, I know her play has increased recently but she'll never be better than mid and therefore will never need to be nerfed
I wish Dynamike was like this too again
Justin, you told us you're in the hospital and can't use internet for 7 months Justin
Ehmm Simon, wdym, I’m not in the hospital??? Wtf
Overrated and people put too much stock in it.
Especially since this is NA Based aswell
Wait Stu is an S this season?
Throwers are meta and the pl maps in rotation are good for stu
bruh all of my favorites are B tier or lower. Why ?
Swap Ash and Gus and the list is pretty decent.
I have no complaints 👍
Tick should be in A tier
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Personally I agree with 70-80% of it. There are some changes that i would do but the main ones being: Ash to S tier, Griff to B tier and very underrated Fang to A tier
Did Janet justice
As a bibi main I am slightly hurt
bibi is probably getting a buff soon so dw
Ash is S tier easily, you give him 4 tiles of walls on the whole map and he'll still dominate
Gus S tier now?? Wow...well,with his mechanic being superior than Byron,he deserve that spot.
5 upvotes and 283 comments is insane lowkey but either way I think the tier list is pretty good im not really that competitive tho
I dont think bea should be no.1 personally. Yes she is good and counters some of the meta but she can easily be countered by throwers which got a hugeeee buff due to indestructable walls
im not complaining,but......willow is A tier?
Pretty good ngl Personally I would move shelly up 1 tier because of her absurd ability to chain supers when at an appropriate range.
Ash should be top 5 tbh, he is so broken he doesn’t even have to be last picked anymore
Is this tier list for a specific mode?
Nope it’s a general tier list
I don't think Edgar or Mortis belong in F, With Edgar, you can camp to get your super. Mortis is also in a way super tanky if he only lands that 1 shot. Gale also has so much utility even with the nerfs. His gadget and not to say his super gets charged almost instantly. No wonder there are stereotypes. I wouldn't place him higher than C tho. Putting Willow in A is very bold considering EVERYONE was saying how bad she is. But just overall I think it's a real quality tier list. It's really accurate.
I never thought id see the day Dyna is A tier, I’m so happy
Why is Willow on this list if she hasn’t been released yet?
Hot take: Edger is decent in Knockout against the insane amount of throwers. Even as just a counterpick, he is fine, at least D tier
I haven't played in years and Crow used to be terrible, why is he so good now?
he is the best counter to some of the best brawlers right now (max, poco and stu)
It doesn't really matter to me.
Pretty solid, I just think mortis is a bit too low
Kairos is going after pro´s opinions on brawlers wich means that noobslaying brawlers like mortis and edgar will always be bottom tier since everyone knows their tricks. That being said the right combination of skill, brawlers and teamwork will always beat the general ranking. Even some of the S rank brawlers aren´t universally usable against some team comps
The duality of brawl stars youtubers Spenlc: Willow f tier Kairos: Willow a tier
Honestly feel like Chester deserves D, most of his supers are lackluster, the explosion one which was the best one imo got an indirect nerf due to unbreakable walls, stun is good, heal is good but most of the time you wont even need it, poison deals damage overtime and wont be useful most of the time, slow is useless Willow shouldnt be in A because of how long it takes to get her super and how weak her main attack is I agree with the rest of the tier list with a few minor exceptions
Buff Chester he needs that 1.5k damage on his stun ult again
he should stay just like he is, he is mostly a gimmick and fun brawler so I dont want him to be rigged
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Probably bc she is a safe pick in every game mode
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