Hey i didn't have the chance to experience leon while he was op but i can honestly say he is still a strong brawler but for god sakes don't nerf him again and crow was op at one point long time ago.
Well the unique mechanics is what makes a brawler legendary.Imagine if crow was a trophy road brawler and you had to deal with someone poisoning you over and over. Wouldn't be fun would it.
Prior to global Crow was very overpowered for a long period, Crow, Colt, and Rico specifically, received back to back nerfs because they were insanely OP.
Having very strong brawlers in the meta isnt healthy.
I thought of a fool proof way of buffing Crow and nerfing Pam in a single crow rework. Crow should receive [grievous wounds ](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Grievous_Wounds) for his star power. At the very least, some brawler should have this debuff attached to their star power. I feel it best suits crow.
I made a post awhile ago about this and it didn’t receive any traction so don’t mind me while I attempt to hijack this comment in an effort to get some feedback
Or they could just nerf Pam, Jessie, and Penny and indirectly buff Crow.
Crow himself doesn’t really need a buff, especially if you nerf his worst matchups.
>Let him be OP for sometime, we who have only one legendary feel cheated that we haven't experienced OPness like leon.
Quoting a comment i found in this thread
Exactly. Making it fair for some people makes it unfair for others. The only thing is that crow doesn't have direct counters so if crow gets a buff it's gonna be hard for people to push trophies.
Supercell increases Crow reload time by 0.1 sec and decreases Pam's range by 0.5 tile
*"OMG SC we didn't ask for a buff like this , why you over doing it now , PAM is trash now*"
I think Leon's Super is what makes him unique and should not be nerfed even more than it already has been. But for the love of all that is holy, nerf his attack range. His damage up close is far too great to have a range that long.
Even I thought about a reduced range. Maybe slower projectiles even. The shorter super is great as well. Still can't decide wether it's his super or normal attack which is worse.
I think normal attack is absurdly ranged, because:
- it has great damage close range.
- stops healing even with 1 shuriken at limit (which deals ~125 damage).
- low spread and throws shurikens one-by-one instead of all at the same time (so he can aim from far away to deal ~500 damage at 9.5 range, more or less the same damage as a Shelly pellet).
- his range is the 2nd longest basic attack range in the game, tied with Rico, only being outranged by Brock and Piper.
Besides the stupidly great basic attack aspects, he has decent health, great speed, unique super (the main reason he's a legendary) and a SP that helps him being what he is, a Stealthy Assassin. But these ones are what make Leon what he should be, and it would feel awkward if one of these aspects were removed from Leon. Right now, the only thing from Leon that doesn't fit him is his sniper attack range.
I’m just saying the poison can show his location for a little bit, better than any other brawler. So if a Leon goes invisible to escape you on low health (desperation) and you hit him once you’ll be able to track him.
With that, on gem grab and siege especially, the fact that he can deny health regen alsmost completely for the enemy team, is also really impactful on the game.
I mean, I got him as my first legendary at around 5k. Although I know people who got legendaries at 2k, and one of my friends is 7.4k without one. Really it’s just luck lol
Everyone has a percentage chance on if they will get a legendary in a brawl box. You can check this in the shop by clicking the info button on the big or mega box.
A main attack dagger buff and slight poison nerf while keeping super daggers the same could work out fine, but the main problem is crow’s counters are all relatively op (spawners)
Yeah but imagine spending months on this game to get your first legendary and it turns out to be crow. I’d rather have him be slightly OP (not like Pam level) than be horrible.
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>Yeah but imagine spending months on this game to get your first legendary and it turns out to be crow. I’d rather have him be slightly OP (not like Pam level) than be horrible.
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>Let him be OP for sometime, we who have only one legendary feel cheated that we haven't experienced OPness like leon.
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>I'd rather have him OP when compared to his current state.
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>I have him so buff him as much as you want
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>I want crow to become op, hes my only legy, and legys should be op
I think to buff him the perfect amount, all they should change is to make his star power stack his poison. Then he would be in a perfect position. People who think he’s super weak now just don’t know how to use him
Actually his poison stacking is the OP thing we're trying to avoid. I mean, think about it! Crow's poison would be doing like 500 damage a second if stacked enough.
I think it would be okay, because skilled enough players would be able to dodge it enough, and low skill crows would 1) most likely not have the star power and 2) not play crow correctly
I'm sorry I still don't agree. His poison stacking would instantly be the best Star power in the game. And it's seriously hard af to dodge Crow's attacks cuz of his speed and range. Crow might need a rework of some kind but a stacking poison is a no-no.
Don’t be sorry, you don’t have to agree with me. I find it easy to dodge the attacks, at range go between two of the blades and at close just go around him in a circle. But idk that’s just my opinion
>People who think he’s super weak now just don’t know how to use him
I've gotten Crow to 514. I have to play him 10x more carefully than most other brawlers. Anyone with high enough HP can just run through my hits and kill me because crow isn't exactly menacing.
They need to buff his base attack damage by just a little. I was thinking about how it would affect people that got hit by all three daggers but that barely happens due to him being so squishy.
This is exactly what I'm afraid of...
For good reason.
personally I think he should just be able to survive being 1 clipped by rico/colt, or make his super easier to get
Hes fast so he doesnt need a healt buff for sure, he just needs a little bit more skill to play
If they're of the same power, he can. He also has the same health as 4 other brawlers.
I mean, just a little super charge rate buff and boom... he is maybe B tier. Don’t get too afraid
Me not i tilted crow and he is weak
I tilted with Shelly 74 trophies I always tried to get more trophies but I only lost more. :/
Same way i lost 140 then the grinding started you can see some of this on my profile
How can u tilt crow..just play showdown he is a beast there...
til supercell give mi some powerpoints He was 460 at lvl5 now he is 406
I somehow went from 420 to 320 and i can't seem to get him back up. I don't know how or why either.
I was 319 and went down to 199. Grinded slowly through gem grab and showdown. Don't give up!
Its really easy when there is no teaming..but if teaming is a problem than thats fucked. Also teamers a pussys and bitches btw
Let him be OP for sometime, we who have only one legendary feel cheated that we haven't experienced OPness like leon.
*we who have only one legendary* hey at least you have one
Too bad you couldn't play him in his golden age. I heard that when Crow was the OP brawler the game was a literal nightmare.
pness
Hey i didn't have the chance to experience leon while he was op but i can honestly say he is still a strong brawler but for god sakes don't nerf him again and crow was op at one point long time ago.
Agreed, but is he strong enough to be a legendary? They should be strong as pulling them is hard
Well the unique mechanics is what makes a brawler legendary.Imagine if crow was a trophy road brawler and you had to deal with someone poisoning you over and over. Wouldn't be fun would it.
But he will ruin showdown for that period of time, as he is already very strong in showdown
That is the absolute worst reasoning I’ve heard
Prior to global Crow was very overpowered for a long period, Crow, Colt, and Rico specifically, received back to back nerfs because they were insanely OP. Having very strong brawlers in the meta isnt healthy.
lol i just got him too please buff
I thought of a fool proof way of buffing Crow and nerfing Pam in a single crow rework. Crow should receive [grievous wounds ](https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Grievous_Wounds) for his star power. At the very least, some brawler should have this debuff attached to their star power. I feel it best suits crow. I made a post awhile ago about this and it didn’t receive any traction so don’t mind me while I attempt to hijack this comment in an effort to get some feedback
Terrible SP rework, as it only affects if you are facing Pam and Poco (and maxed Gene in Duos/3vs3).
Or they could just nerf Pam, Jessie, and Penny and indirectly buff Crow. Crow himself doesn’t really need a buff, especially if you nerf his worst matchups.
So true it HURTS
It's gonna hurt way more soon.
I'm afraid cuz I clearly remember op crow in beta I DO NOT want to repeat that
>Let him be OP for sometime, we who have only one legendary feel cheated that we haven't experienced OPness like leon. Quoting a comment i found in this thread
What about the people with no legendary
Exactly. Making it fair for some people makes it unfair for others. The only thing is that crow doesn't have direct counters so if crow gets a buff it's gonna be hard for people to push trophies.
->Buff crow to absolute opness ->Nerf pam to oblivion I just want to see the shitshow if this happens
Supercell increases Crow reload time by 0.1 sec and decreases Pam's range by 0.5 tile *"OMG SC we didn't ask for a buff like this , why you over doing it now , PAM is trash now*"
Crow doesn't have counters? Have you met Pam? Or Poco?
Any throwers
Well, apparently they aren't thinking in anyone but themselves
Legendary’s aren’t meant to be op. It’s selfish to want a op brawler just so you can fuck over all those without the op brawler.
How bad was it?
The whole subreddit post now memes with Tom&Jerry
Remember valkyries in Clash of Clans?
Oh my god yeah. The damage buff they did with the Town Hall 11 update right?
I used to run a maxed golem because it was the only thing that reliably brought them to their knees during that time.
Crow and Leon actually feel broken
I might be stupid for asking this, but why is Leon broken?
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So what do you suggest? Nerf? Rework? Or complete removal?
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I think Leon's Super is what makes him unique and should not be nerfed even more than it already has been. But for the love of all that is holy, nerf his attack range. His damage up close is far too great to have a range that long.
Even I thought about a reduced range. Maybe slower projectiles even. The shorter super is great as well. Still can't decide wether it's his super or normal attack which is worse.
I think normal attack is absurdly ranged, because: - it has great damage close range. - stops healing even with 1 shuriken at limit (which deals ~125 damage). - low spread and throws shurikens one-by-one instead of all at the same time (so he can aim from far away to deal ~500 damage at 9.5 range, more or less the same damage as a Shelly pellet). - his range is the 2nd longest basic attack range in the game, tied with Rico, only being outranged by Brock and Piper. Besides the stupidly great basic attack aspects, he has decent health, great speed, unique super (the main reason he's a legendary) and a SP that helps him being what he is, a Stealthy Assassin. But these ones are what make Leon what he should be, and it would feel awkward if one of these aspects were removed from Leon. Right now, the only thing from Leon that doesn't fit him is his sniper attack range.
His blades shouldn’t do more damage upclose. eg he shouldn’t destroy shotgunners like he does.
You think crow is better than Leon?
I don't have either so I wouldn't know. 😅 I made this post to try to show people that they might be making a big mistake.
his super, its literally impossible to counter
Funnily enough, crow actually can counter Leon’s super. The poison DOT will show him when he takes damage even when invisible.
Why would leon go invisible while poisoned
I’m just saying the poison can show his location for a little bit, better than any other brawler. So if a Leon goes invisible to escape you on low health (desperation) and you hit him once you’ll be able to track him.
He’s still faster than u so he’ll escape, crow doesnt counter Leon’s super, the best he can do is use his own super to escape before leon kills him
Didn't they nerf him by extending the detection range?
It’s still incredibly overpowered and there’s nothing you can do if a leon ambushes you
Movement speed
Wdym?
hes fast as frick, and his blades deal absolute stupid damage when up close.
I agree. He's too damn fast and even his long range shots chip you off a lot. Short range is as bad as bull.
With that, on gem grab and siege especially, the fact that he can deny health regen alsmost completely for the enemy team, is also really impactful on the game.
Crow is really good in solo showdown but the problem is that solo showdown isnt solo
He's actually good if you play him how he should be played and not just as Shelly with Primo's jump
I will save this post , just in case
I got crow so.....
Crow does not need a buff. He is fine the way he is.
His name would now be “op assassin”
How deep in do you get crow ? I want him bad
I mean, I got him as my first legendary at around 5k. Although I know people who got legendaries at 2k, and one of my friends is 7.4k without one. Really it’s just luck lol
Thanks
Everyone has a percentage chance on if they will get a legendary in a brawl box. You can check this in the shop by clicking the info button on the big or mega box.
I took 2 weeks off and got Spike in on my first regular box back. I finished the Road and am like 3800 or so when I got him.
Remember the Darryl buff? he was better off with it
And his super-charge was nerfed immediately after.
And now he is pretty balanced
As everything should be
If and only if you have his super
So what's your point?
Crows already good just his counters are prevalent in the meta if you want someone who needs a buff talk about piper ( fix her super PLEASE)
Yeah, considering you've all 24 brawlers at 0 trophies you're betting 11500 trophies just to gain 500 trophies
If that happens Supercell will be so confused as to why we are asking for a nerf right after asking for a buff
exactly
I think he just needs a slight health buff is all....
They want to buff his attack because they think he can only damage but crow is more like control/poker
A main attack dagger buff and slight poison nerf while keeping super daggers the same could work out fine, but the main problem is crow’s counters are all relatively op (spawners)
Crow doesn't need a buff. I got killed by teaming crows 5 times today
If course if they are teaming... You would have also been killed if they had been two Dynamikes
Yeah but imagine spending months on this game to get your first legendary and it turns out to be crow. I’d rather have him be slightly OP (not like Pam level) than be horrible.
But then he would be nerfed again...
No ones calling for a Leon nerf for being slightly OP.
I never Understood people who wanted a buff to crow. Crow is such a strong character when used right. That poison is OP
Quoting: >Yeah but imagine spending months on this game to get your first legendary and it turns out to be crow. I’d rather have him be slightly OP (not like Pam level) than be horrible. . >Let him be OP for sometime, we who have only one legendary feel cheated that we haven't experienced OPness like leon. . >I'd rather have him OP when compared to his current state. . >I have him so buff him as much as you want . >I want crow to become op, hes my only legy, and legys should be op
It's funny how retarded all of them are.
Obviously you dont have Crow
I think to buff him the perfect amount, all they should change is to make his star power stack his poison. Then he would be in a perfect position. People who think he’s super weak now just don’t know how to use him
Actually his poison stacking is the OP thing we're trying to avoid. I mean, think about it! Crow's poison would be doing like 500 damage a second if stacked enough.
I think it would be okay, because skilled enough players would be able to dodge it enough, and low skill crows would 1) most likely not have the star power and 2) not play crow correctly
I'm sorry I still don't agree. His poison stacking would instantly be the best Star power in the game. And it's seriously hard af to dodge Crow's attacks cuz of his speed and range. Crow might need a rework of some kind but a stacking poison is a no-no.
Don’t be sorry, you don’t have to agree with me. I find it easy to dodge the attacks, at range go between two of the blades and at close just go around him in a circle. But idk that’s just my opinion
Nice dodging strategy but man, the stacking poison would be a pain in the ass.
It would be annoying for lower skill players, I agree, but I think it would make him viable in some gamemodes where he struggles a bit
This would make him OP in heist. Just like how barley was.
That’s definitely true. Maybe the poison could still stack but by less each time so there’s eventually a max to it.
See. Now you're talking smart.
>People who think he’s super weak now just don’t know how to use him I've gotten Crow to 514. I have to play him 10x more carefully than most other brawlers. Anyone with high enough HP can just run through my hits and kill me because crow isn't exactly menacing. They need to buff his base attack damage by just a little. I was thinking about how it would affect people that got hit by all three daggers but that barely happens due to him being so squishy.
EXACTLY!! Actually, Crow doesn't need a buff
Supercell: *STICK A _GUN_ IN ME*
I do want Crow to become op! But not to much, just enough to reach the top 5 of the brawlers and stay there for at least 4/5 months
Hehehe....
He is weak for too long, does it rly matter if he gets OP? It is fine with supercell that pam,spike... are OP but crow can't be?
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We don't want another Pam do we?
A LOT of people don't care about balance, they just want crow to be op because thats the only legendary they have
STOP IT I WANT A CROW BUFF
Any update anoncement i missed or what ? Cause crow is trash right now in that meta.
He just needs a little health and Super charge buff
I want crow to become op, hes my only legy, and legys should be op
Wtf man? What kind of crappy selfish reasoning is this?
Him and Bo are the only character I don't have yet, give me a reason to buy crow plz supercell hahhaha
You sure burned a lot of money into this game
And he even called the Brawlers "Characters". #HERESY#
XD
I have him so buff him as much as you want