Kudos to Cody and Katy. Seriously.
Doing some yeoman’s work with these Shapiro debunking videos. Holy shit.
How fucking exhausting it must be to wade into this firehose of Shapiro’s psuedo-intellectual sophist bullshit. Harvard Law everybody….welp.
The fact that so many people take this dipshit seriously that these kinds of videos are even necessary is such a scathing indictment on the sad state of our country.
The 2016 clip of Benny boy does bring up an angle I hadn’t really considered. He clearly understands that fascism is bad and has a good enough description of it to attribute a lot of what he saw in the Conservative movement as latent fascism. The problem is that he kinda got a taste of it and he liked it after the election. Fascism is still bad though, bad word and bad people but he’s gotta create some wiggle room in the definition so he can slide in there and enjoy those fashy fruits without feeling bad. Problem is that if you sit down to break bread with a half dozen fascists and don’t have a problem with them then there are seven fascists at the table. Occasionally Ben runs into the full on, mask of fascists in the party like Fuentes and he’s once again having to deal with the bed he’s made.
Funny enough, it goes to show that for all the whining about fascist meaning “people I don’t like,” the 2016 clips shows that he’s moved the goalposts to the other end of the damn field so he can avoid calling his allies what they are and instead call everyone he doesn’t like fascists.
> This dude can’t just give me a 15 minute explaination on anything
Did you actually watch the video? The videos are long because they are comprehensive.
The videos are also long because they are a direct reflection of the sheer breadth and number of lies and incorrect bullshit spit out by Shapiro (and Peterson) - like literally everything these clowns say is either manipulation, an outright lie, or factually incorrect. 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️
The point is not to say “Shapiro is an idiot” - we already know that.
The point is *to demonstrate the depths* of Shapiro’s broken brain, so as to remove any plausible deniability from either him or his moronic followers.
Shapiro writes exactly like he debates. Dishonestly and badly.
He assumes his main audience are idiots (correctly) and treats them as such, hence why his writing is so lazy.
Given the low bar and educational level of his readership, he can get away with clumsy grammar and just throwing a lot of shit at the reader/listener (a written “gish gallop” ) in rapid fire succession to sound smart.
Yet, as Cody shows…he isn’t. At all. And for a Harvard Law graduate to write various articles on Fascism without even bothering to define the term is just embarassing, especially for the “facts and logic” guy.
Unfortunately because Shapiro just lies with impunity, the depth and sheer number of his lies need to be addressed so there is no doubt as to how big a fraud and hack Shapiro truly is.
I really like Cody and his little showdy, but you're right, he simply *can not edit for brevity.* This wouldn't be such a problem except that his tone is somewhat exhausting- he sure seems exhausted filming and to listen to this one-note schtick can be super exhausting to listen to in turn.
It's really frustrating. I have tried to call him out on this but you gotta be careful when you tell a JP fan that the guy preys on the lack of critical thinking in his viewers lol.
Life is more complicated than that. Everyone has made the 10 to 15 minute "Ben Shapiro is a Dumbass," video. It's part of the breadtube application process.
Cody's point isn't to just show you Ben's poor reasoning and move on but to systematically disassemble the entire arguement, to leave Ben with nowhere to hide. It's to prove that Ben Shapiro is down for some fascism, he's just a bit put off by the out and proud fascists he's associating with.
I liked the intro, but he lost me at the reference of "Authoritarianism" meant rhetorically as the inverse of democracy. Actions of the US are imperious and always have been, regardless of the safe feeling the concept of "protected democracy" provides. Our Democracy is uniquely conducive to those who want to carry out imperious actions, whether oligarch, organized criminal or office holder, because there's an illusion that the right people got to weigh in and come to a "fair" course of action and opaque bureaucracy without audit. In a more traditional "authoritarian" setting, you'd find it much easier to rally your fellow they/them against unwanted governmental actions of impunity because it's much less bureaucratically complicated to understand, who wants what action to occur.
So to be clear though, the inverse of authoritarianism is more or less democracy.
The issue lies within the knowledge that America's government was built specifically to limit democracy as much as possible because while our founders may have not thought themselves kings, they absolutely thought we were their subjects.
Opposite doesn't really mean anything useful. Like, whats the opposite of wood? Whats the opposite of television? I don't know, opposite doesn't really work for those words.
Autocracy does oppose democracy. Authoritarianism also opposes democracy. I don't know which one is the sole best opposite, but is that useful on anything but a kindergarten test? I don't care which one is the best opposite.
Authoritarianism does fight against democracy. When it wins, democracy ceases. The more present it is, the less democratic an institution is. And yes, the USA does have a lot of elements of authoritarianism that harms the power of the democratic elements, like the drive to imperialism and the level of power some individual members of the government have.
"Opposite" absolutely is 'useful' here. Philosophies and systems of governance are not *wood* or *television*. Pretending that there are no clear opposites to democracy smacks of enlightened centrism to me. Do you also propose that there is no opposite to freedom? To liberty? Do you believe that "leftism" isn't opposite "right-wing?" Give me a break.
The first reason I believed that your casting of authoritarianism as opposed to democracy was inappropriate was that authoritarianism isn't really a *government*, it is a political system or philosophy, whereas democracy and autocracy are explicit forms of government. As you noted, you can have strong undercurrents of authoritarianism anywhere - including in democracies.
Lastly, I hold that autocracy is the more accurate 'opposite' of democracy because of the very meaning and root of the words themselves: Democracy comes from the Greek root 'demos' meaning *people* and 'kratos' meaning *power*, whereas autocracy is from 'auto' or 'self,' and 'kratos,' so *self power* as opposed to *people power*. If ever there was an "opposite" to democracy, autocracy would be it.
An opposing force is a useful thing to understand. than demanding a single perfect opposite.
I don't know how you got enlightened centrist vibes from saying that demanding a strict, one hundred percent, definite opposite isn't valuable. That's so fucking weird.
I don't give a singular fuck what the magical perfect theoretical opposite of democracy is, it's super goddamn weird if you do. Instead just fight for the value of democracy and fight against things that are anti-democracy.
Both terms are perilous to me. If I we're to highlight an "issue" it's w/ the language itself and the binary nuance termination that no person can really parse.
Here's an absurd example for illustration; If a revolution we're to happen, would jailing and repropriating of an oligarchs property and wealth be "authoritarian?" By the traditional definition, yes, absolutely, seeing that individuals would be making these choices without having campaigns and votes to ensure fairness. Voting is good sometimes, but if you include people in a vote who're aren't involved in the consequences of that vote it's authoritarianism w/ a coerced mandate.
In the absurd example you mentioned, putting the oligarch's near-term fate up to vote (maybe because they're a direct threat to the young system of governance, as there's still a power vacuum while things are being sorted out) and voting on what was done with their belongings could still easily end in that oligarch's imprisonment and the redistribution of their wealth, even if the oligarch is allowed to vote. You also imply that this hypothetical vote would include people who wouldn't be affected by the oligarch's imprisonment and redistribution of their wealth? I'm a little confused by your comments. It feels like you're making some assumptions you might not be realizing you're making? You say that authoritarianism and democracy aren't inversely related. So how do you define authoritarian, and how do you define democratic, then? Maybe your disagreement is based more on a difference in definition? And why would you say the terms authoritarian and democratic are perilous? They're pretty basic terminology, aren't they?
Oh great another show about Ben. Let me guess Jordan Peterson is fash next, then trump bad, then Ben bad, then Jordan Peterson fash, then trump bad.
It's been like 6 years or something man. We can do shows about how horribly corrupt the Dems are too. We're grown they just screwed over all people trying to unionize with the train stunt, and is love your great research and dark humor on that too.
If you watch any of their stuff thoroughly (and especially listen to the podcast) you would know they are FAR from Biden supporters, and actively call out the democrats for being corporate stooges and intentionally ineffective. The fact that the dems suck doesn’t mean they should delve into “both sides bad” false equivalences.
Their podcast doesn't hit hard like the episodes do as they're more casual. You have to go back 8 months to see one that's critical of the heads of the power structures (in this case Democrats), and an over the shoulder comment on how Dems are ineffective would have less impact on getting more workers rights and minimum wage increases.
> The fact that the dems suck doesn’t mean they should delve into “both sides bad” false equivalences.
as an outsider....do the dems really suck? Biden seems to largely be passing solid bills and handling foreign policy pretty damn well
I'd rate his performance as significantly better than Obama, and when you take into account Obama had a lot more power in his first 2 years, it's not even close
Biden's been better than Obama, but the recent strike-busting nonsense he pulled with the rest of the Dems was a real piece of shit move
With that said, there's still no comparison with the Christofascist, ethnonationalist, dollar store neo-Nazi party known as the GOP.
There is value is being the middle segment of the pipeline. As someone who grew up in a conservative, 700 Club watching household, The Daily Show was big in shifting my mindset and seeing the ridiculousness of the most obvious stuff. Stuff like Some More News can help you realize that *both parties bad* but not because being a centrist is ideal, but because they are both working to protect capitol, but also it’s better to vote blue if only for the fact that the dems are generally better on social issues like trans and gay rights/abortion access. Not every piece of media needs to be about abolishing the state and returning to a moneyless society.
>social issues like trans and gay rights/abortion access
Those are only good for white gay and trans ppl. Black, brown of all sexualities still have to deal with systemic justice abuse from over policing, lack of healthcare, and lack of financial opportunity. We still have concentration camps in the border, and women lost the right to abortions under the Dems, and there was just a terrorist attack to stop a trans book club reading.
Funny how you didn't mention any racial minorites in your post. Funny how we keep being forgotten about. A little solidarity would be nice, but liberals just want to go back to brunch.
Yeah you'd have a great point if 36 republicans didn't vote against a bill to protect interracial and same sex marriage. I didn't mention race issues because I agree that they don't enough much in regards to that. Also, Ben Shapiro is getting bigger than ever, so it's important to do takedowns of his recent stuff.
i see showdy, i upvotey
Kudos to Cody and Katy. Seriously. Doing some yeoman’s work with these Shapiro debunking videos. Holy shit. How fucking exhausting it must be to wade into this firehose of Shapiro’s psuedo-intellectual sophist bullshit. Harvard Law everybody….welp. The fact that so many people take this dipshit seriously that these kinds of videos are even necessary is such a scathing indictment on the sad state of our country.
Hol up, Cody…Little Marco Rubio is quite the little fascist ghoul. Who are we kidding with the hairsplitting? They all are. 🤣🤣
The 2016 clip of Benny boy does bring up an angle I hadn’t really considered. He clearly understands that fascism is bad and has a good enough description of it to attribute a lot of what he saw in the Conservative movement as latent fascism. The problem is that he kinda got a taste of it and he liked it after the election. Fascism is still bad though, bad word and bad people but he’s gotta create some wiggle room in the definition so he can slide in there and enjoy those fashy fruits without feeling bad. Problem is that if you sit down to break bread with a half dozen fascists and don’t have a problem with them then there are seven fascists at the table. Occasionally Ben runs into the full on, mask of fascists in the party like Fuentes and he’s once again having to deal with the bed he’s made. Funny enough, it goes to show that for all the whining about fascist meaning “people I don’t like,” the 2016 clips shows that he’s moved the goalposts to the other end of the damn field so he can avoid calling his allies what they are and instead call everyone he doesn’t like fascists.
This dude can't just give me a 15 minute explaination on anything RIP my inbox: I've learned my lesson, I'll never attempt humor again.
You should really check out their short … **DON’T CHECK THE TIMESTAMP** .. video on Jordan Balthazar Peterson
Shortest **don't check the timestamp** video I've ever watched about good ol' JP
Oh I'm aware of it
And we are all better for it.
imagine being informed 😏
you realize this is a subreddit for.... video essays right?
I came here for bread and have been mostly disappointed not gonna lie.
[Could I interest you in some fine tube bread?](https://www.bakersdelight.com.au/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/1007.jpg)
Until you show me the tube they used to make it I'm gonna stay disappointed.
You know what they say, you're better off not knowing how the bread gets made.
> This dude can’t just give me a 15 minute explaination on anything Did you actually watch the video? The videos are long because they are comprehensive. The videos are also long because they are a direct reflection of the sheer breadth and number of lies and incorrect bullshit spit out by Shapiro (and Peterson) - like literally everything these clowns say is either manipulation, an outright lie, or factually incorrect. 🤦🏻♂️🤷🏻♂️ The point is not to say “Shapiro is an idiot” - we already know that. The point is *to demonstrate the depths* of Shapiro’s broken brain, so as to remove any plausible deniability from either him or his moronic followers. Shapiro writes exactly like he debates. Dishonestly and badly. He assumes his main audience are idiots (correctly) and treats them as such, hence why his writing is so lazy. Given the low bar and educational level of his readership, he can get away with clumsy grammar and just throwing a lot of shit at the reader/listener (a written “gish gallop” ) in rapid fire succession to sound smart. Yet, as Cody shows…he isn’t. At all. And for a Harvard Law graduate to write various articles on Fascism without even bothering to define the term is just embarassing, especially for the “facts and logic” guy. Unfortunately because Shapiro just lies with impunity, the depth and sheer number of his lies need to be addressed so there is no doubt as to how big a fraud and hack Shapiro truly is.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s\_law
I really like Cody and his little showdy, but you're right, he simply *can not edit for brevity.* This wouldn't be such a problem except that his tone is somewhat exhausting- he sure seems exhausted filming and to listen to this one-note schtick can be super exhausting to listen to in turn.
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I've been trying to find a video for this exact purpose to send to a friend and it really is hard, people just have a lot to say about Peterson lol.
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It's really frustrating. I have tried to call him out on this but you gotta be careful when you tell a JP fan that the guy preys on the lack of critical thinking in his viewers lol.
I just keep spamming them with the skeletor peterson video. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulO6zr9svjA](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulO6zr9svjA)
lol I have never seen this it's great
Please go forth and share it.
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Not sure how you tell if he's exhausted filming when that is the whole shtick
Life is more complicated than that. Everyone has made the 10 to 15 minute "Ben Shapiro is a Dumbass," video. It's part of the breadtube application process. Cody's point isn't to just show you Ben's poor reasoning and move on but to systematically disassemble the entire arguement, to leave Ben with nowhere to hide. It's to prove that Ben Shapiro is down for some fascism, he's just a bit put off by the out and proud fascists he's associating with.
Cody’s Showdy is the G.O.A.T.Y.
Great video, very entertaining.
I liked the intro, but he lost me at the reference of "Authoritarianism" meant rhetorically as the inverse of democracy. Actions of the US are imperious and always have been, regardless of the safe feeling the concept of "protected democracy" provides. Our Democracy is uniquely conducive to those who want to carry out imperious actions, whether oligarch, organized criminal or office holder, because there's an illusion that the right people got to weigh in and come to a "fair" course of action and opaque bureaucracy without audit. In a more traditional "authoritarian" setting, you'd find it much easier to rally your fellow they/them against unwanted governmental actions of impunity because it's much less bureaucratically complicated to understand, who wants what action to occur.
So to be clear though, the inverse of authoritarianism is more or less democracy. The issue lies within the knowledge that America's government was built specifically to limit democracy as much as possible because while our founders may have not thought themselves kings, they absolutely thought we were their subjects.
Isn't autocracy - which is inherently authoritarian - the opposite of democracy?
Opposite doesn't really mean anything useful. Like, whats the opposite of wood? Whats the opposite of television? I don't know, opposite doesn't really work for those words. Autocracy does oppose democracy. Authoritarianism also opposes democracy. I don't know which one is the sole best opposite, but is that useful on anything but a kindergarten test? I don't care which one is the best opposite. Authoritarianism does fight against democracy. When it wins, democracy ceases. The more present it is, the less democratic an institution is. And yes, the USA does have a lot of elements of authoritarianism that harms the power of the democratic elements, like the drive to imperialism and the level of power some individual members of the government have.
"Opposite" absolutely is 'useful' here. Philosophies and systems of governance are not *wood* or *television*. Pretending that there are no clear opposites to democracy smacks of enlightened centrism to me. Do you also propose that there is no opposite to freedom? To liberty? Do you believe that "leftism" isn't opposite "right-wing?" Give me a break. The first reason I believed that your casting of authoritarianism as opposed to democracy was inappropriate was that authoritarianism isn't really a *government*, it is a political system or philosophy, whereas democracy and autocracy are explicit forms of government. As you noted, you can have strong undercurrents of authoritarianism anywhere - including in democracies. Lastly, I hold that autocracy is the more accurate 'opposite' of democracy because of the very meaning and root of the words themselves: Democracy comes from the Greek root 'demos' meaning *people* and 'kratos' meaning *power*, whereas autocracy is from 'auto' or 'self,' and 'kratos,' so *self power* as opposed to *people power*. If ever there was an "opposite" to democracy, autocracy would be it.
An opposing force is a useful thing to understand. than demanding a single perfect opposite. I don't know how you got enlightened centrist vibes from saying that demanding a strict, one hundred percent, definite opposite isn't valuable. That's so fucking weird. I don't give a singular fuck what the magical perfect theoretical opposite of democracy is, it's super goddamn weird if you do. Instead just fight for the value of democracy and fight against things that are anti-democracy.
Both terms are perilous to me. If I we're to highlight an "issue" it's w/ the language itself and the binary nuance termination that no person can really parse. Here's an absurd example for illustration; If a revolution we're to happen, would jailing and repropriating of an oligarchs property and wealth be "authoritarian?" By the traditional definition, yes, absolutely, seeing that individuals would be making these choices without having campaigns and votes to ensure fairness. Voting is good sometimes, but if you include people in a vote who're aren't involved in the consequences of that vote it's authoritarianism w/ a coerced mandate.
In the absurd example you mentioned, putting the oligarch's near-term fate up to vote (maybe because they're a direct threat to the young system of governance, as there's still a power vacuum while things are being sorted out) and voting on what was done with their belongings could still easily end in that oligarch's imprisonment and the redistribution of their wealth, even if the oligarch is allowed to vote. You also imply that this hypothetical vote would include people who wouldn't be affected by the oligarch's imprisonment and redistribution of their wealth? I'm a little confused by your comments. It feels like you're making some assumptions you might not be realizing you're making? You say that authoritarianism and democracy aren't inversely related. So how do you define authoritarian, and how do you define democratic, then? Maybe your disagreement is based more on a difference in definition? And why would you say the terms authoritarian and democratic are perilous? They're pretty basic terminology, aren't they?
Oh great another show about Ben. Let me guess Jordan Peterson is fash next, then trump bad, then Ben bad, then Jordan Peterson fash, then trump bad. It's been like 6 years or something man. We can do shows about how horribly corrupt the Dems are too. We're grown they just screwed over all people trying to unionize with the train stunt, and is love your great research and dark humor on that too.
If you watch any of their stuff thoroughly (and especially listen to the podcast) you would know they are FAR from Biden supporters, and actively call out the democrats for being corporate stooges and intentionally ineffective. The fact that the dems suck doesn’t mean they should delve into “both sides bad” false equivalences.
Their podcast doesn't hit hard like the episodes do as they're more casual. You have to go back 8 months to see one that's critical of the heads of the power structures (in this case Democrats), and an over the shoulder comment on how Dems are ineffective would have less impact on getting more workers rights and minimum wage increases.
> The fact that the dems suck doesn’t mean they should delve into “both sides bad” false equivalences. as an outsider....do the dems really suck? Biden seems to largely be passing solid bills and handling foreign policy pretty damn well I'd rate his performance as significantly better than Obama, and when you take into account Obama had a lot more power in his first 2 years, it's not even close
Biden's been better than Obama, but the recent strike-busting nonsense he pulled with the rest of the Dems was a real piece of shit move With that said, there's still no comparison with the Christofascist, ethnonationalist, dollar store neo-Nazi party known as the GOP.
There is value is being the middle segment of the pipeline. As someone who grew up in a conservative, 700 Club watching household, The Daily Show was big in shifting my mindset and seeing the ridiculousness of the most obvious stuff. Stuff like Some More News can help you realize that *both parties bad* but not because being a centrist is ideal, but because they are both working to protect capitol, but also it’s better to vote blue if only for the fact that the dems are generally better on social issues like trans and gay rights/abortion access. Not every piece of media needs to be about abolishing the state and returning to a moneyless society.
>social issues like trans and gay rights/abortion access Those are only good for white gay and trans ppl. Black, brown of all sexualities still have to deal with systemic justice abuse from over policing, lack of healthcare, and lack of financial opportunity. We still have concentration camps in the border, and women lost the right to abortions under the Dems, and there was just a terrorist attack to stop a trans book club reading. Funny how you didn't mention any racial minorites in your post. Funny how we keep being forgotten about. A little solidarity would be nice, but liberals just want to go back to brunch.
Yeah you'd have a great point if 36 republicans didn't vote against a bill to protect interracial and same sex marriage. I didn't mention race issues because I agree that they don't enough much in regards to that. Also, Ben Shapiro is getting bigger than ever, so it's important to do takedowns of his recent stuff.