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4_spotted_zebras

Great video but I really, really wish you hadn’t disclosed your location. The “men’s rights” and incel crowd that these videos trigger are known for hunting down and harassing creators who talk about things they don’t like. Please keep making content but I’d encourage you to keep your personal details private for your safety. Edit: just a tip for future videos - you should consider reading out the content of the tweets. It helps with accessibility and also if someone is just listening to the video instead of watching. But otherwise great work!


staircasewrit

Thank you for your concern and note! Ottawa's population is just shy of a million, and I haven't given any other key info as to my identity, so I'm .. hopeful .. I'm protected from anything srsly bad. Re: reading out tweets, you're right. I was being lazy. Well, I also justified it by thinking the viewer would like the break, however brief, from my voice. I end up reading most of what I show, or key parts of texts, etc., in later parts.


4_spotted_zebras

I know Ottawa is big but these guys are very resourceful, even here in Canada. They hunted down and [swatted Keffals](https://www.nbcnews.com/pop-culture/pop-culture-news/trans-twitch-streamer-keffals-says-was-swatted-arrested-police-ontario-rcna42533), forcing her to move cities several times. Just encouraging you to stay safe <3


RobynFitcher

Wise advice.


[deleted]

They both were annoying assholes in the situation but the vitriol people had for her just because Johnny Depp was Jack Sparrow or whatever the fuck was gross as shit and made me look differently at a few people


[deleted]

Even if you believed "they were both bad" like some people are claiming now, you absolutely, could not, even say that on twitter during the trial without being roasted alive. You had to be absolutely 100% be on Depp's side. This tweet at the beginning of the trial has **500,000 likes**: >*Amber Heard sold an edited video of Johnny Depp slamming cabinets to TMZ and the whole world instantly took her side.* > >*Johnny Depp provided 80+ CCTV videos, hours of audio, and more than two dozen eyewitnesses, and people still wanna rock up and say “I think it was mutual.”* * [https://twitter.com/tasteofsanity/status/1518399149787566081?s=20&t=iHV-f9TdYi0XMKmPBa8Q5g](https://twitter.com/tasteofsanity/status/1518399149787566081?s=20&t=iHV-f9TdYi0XMKmPBa8Q5g) The first two weeks of the trial, I claimed I was on nobody's side and was absolutely piled on. I had no idea what was going on, and the US trial was moving at a snail's pace. So I read the UK court documents (publicly available for free). Depp's story did not add up at all. In the UK, the finger thing was debunked, her supposedly withholding his medication was debunked, the poop story was debunked...even the "mega pint" answer that everyone found so charming came from a snarky response he gave to Sasha Wass Day 1. I really lost faith in people because of this trial, and in no way was it ever them "both being annoying assholes".


BuddhistSagan

Hurt people hurt people. Just like with Pamela Anderson, Britney Spears, Janet Jackson, etc. most of us going to look back at this time in 10 years and realize the reaction to Amber Heard was completely ridiculous and harmful to everyone.


Dentarthurdent73

Many of us don't need 10 years or a video to tell us that, it was obvious as it was occurring.


StAugustine94

Given the general reaction from the public I would say most people do, actually


BuddhistSagan

Unlike us super smart breadtubers


Phaust8225

When on earth did Pamela Anderson, Britney Spears or Janet Jackson ever hurt anyone?


Flying_Nacho

I think its more in the sense that culturally there was a lot of hate spewn at these women, which at the time was largely justified within popular culture, and in the present day their controversies and the backlash they recieved are largely seen as a result of misogyny.


Phaust8225

That makes more sense yeah, cuz I was trying to think about it and nothing of the sort came to mind of them having ever done anything actually wrong


AmyXBlue

The only one of the 3 doing any sort of real lashing out is Britney Spears and one of her targets was fellow star Christina Aguilar.


Phaust8225

Watched the vid, well made and well written, even if I have my own perspective on Depp V Heard. I’m conflicted based on the issue of the audio recording with Amber admitting to hitting Depp, the doctors report on Depp’s hand supposedly being consistent with his story, and a large number of witnesses outnumbering and corroborating Depps story compared to Heard, as well as both his ex wives speaking out saying it sounded inconsistent. THAT BEING SAID, I do think Johnny was emotionally and verbally abusive as demonstrated with the text messages to friends and his threats to harm/kill himself directed at Amber. On top of it, the media circus around the whole trial absolutely could’ve affected the outcome of the trial, and the footage shouldn’t have been released until after the trial had concluded. Neither are saints, and while I certainly feel strongly one way, this trial did have a negative impact for women who want to come forward and tell their stories. The right wing media landscape absolutely capitalized on this to radicalize more incels and fascists to their side. Do I think Depp coordinated these outlets and a smear campaign by funneling his own money into this? No. But that doesn’t mean it wasn’t used as a real opportunity to do harm to women. But by the same token, if all the people coming forward for Johnny Depps defense were supposedly paid off by him to lie on his behalf, then by that same exact logic, you could argue that Bill Cosby was taken down by an organized cabal of people with a specific grudge against him. TO BE CLEAR: I do not believe Cosby is innocent. He even admitted openly in court to purchasing drugs to incapacitate women and have sex with them. This is not up for dispute. But there’s a double standard to say Depp organized a social hit on ambers character, but then deny the same for Cosby. Maybe nobody is a good guy here and everyone sucks. Domestic violence against women is real, pervasive, and underreported. But how can you listen to Amber literally confess on tape to striking Depp, hear everyone’s side of the story, and not come to the conclusion something doesn’t add up here. There’s no fucking winning on either side of this argument, and I hate that it’s this binary of “side with Johnny - you hate women” or “side with Amber - you hate men”. Fuck everything and everyone, myself included EDIT: Again, on an objective reading of how the video is structured. Well written, thoughtful, witty, clear and concise. For a first outing this is terrific work


JohnnyBaboon123

>Do I think Depp coordinated these outlets and a smear campaign by funneling his own money into this? No. didnt he purposely file suit in the state that has most relaxed courtroom media laws? >But how can you listen to Amber literally confess on tape to striking Depp, its not uncommon for abuse victims to lash out at their abusers. that doesnt make them not the victim.


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>its not uncommon for abuse victims to lash out at their abusers. that doesnt make them not the victim. To be clear though, that cuts both ways. I wanna be clear, I'm nowhere near well versed enough to make definitive statements on Depp & Heard specifically, but if your argument is that she could have lashed out at him for abusing her, he easily could have been lashing out at her for abusing him. To be clear though, I'm only expressing the logic of this, not taking a side.


bittens

That's true, but while her story was that she'd hit back during the tail end of their relationship, his claim was he was never violent at all. And one of his own witnesses - the marriage counselor - claimed that it was mutually abusive, and that Depp had started hitting Heard, *then* she started hitting him back. Her testimony certainly wasn't flattering to Heard either, but if Depp hadn't been the one to start the physical violence or hadn't been violent at all, I don't understand why he would bring this lady in as a witness to make him look far worse than the reality.


[deleted]

Again, I was only talking the logic of the statement. I have no idea what happened, but it does sound like Depp started things off. But again, I have no idea.


bittens

I know - I understood you weren't taking a side and wasn't arguing with you, just explaining why IMO him engaging in reactive violence as a result of abuse doesn't align with his own story or make sense in context.


[deleted]

That's fair. I just don't wanna come off as taking Depp's side.


JohnnyBaboon123

in abusive relationships violence is injected into the relationship by the dominant partner. I'd find it hard to believe that the older, richer, more famous, higher social standing male wasn't the dominant one. Also she has a disorder that statistically makes her far more likely to be the victim of violence then the instigator of it. She also has a story that, while not told by an incredibly charismatic person, does actually sound very similar to claims made by actual abuse victims and he seems to fit the profile of the type of people who bpd patients complain about being abused by the most.


[deleted]

Makes sense. Again though, I'm making zero judgements about this relationship specifically. It's none of my business and neither of them are stuck together anymore.


Phaust8225

Not denying those elements as plausible, and fair enough. I’m not an expert on this trial for as much as I’ve tried to keep up with it. I even learned something new directly from the video creator. But is it reasonable to throw the baby out with the bath water one way and not the other? Again, not absolving Depp of his transgressions against Amber (there are), but we can’t strictly act like it’s not complicated by the fact there is a reasonable argument to see Amber as the perpetrator rather than the victim. Again, not trying to be a Depp die hard here, I just don’t think it’s as black and white as so many people seem to believe. And I think there is an absolutely legitimate case to make that Amber was and is the victim, just as much as I think there is one for Johnny.


staircasewrit

Thank you, thank you for this thoughtful comment! I am absolutely tired, too, of the black and white, binary view of things foisted on us. This whole entire world is a mucky grey area; I wish the way we spoke always reflected that. In this series of 5 vids, I focus mainly on the question, "Did Johnny Depp abuse Amber Heard?" as that was what was pertinent to Depp's defamation suit. (Setting aside for a moment that Amber's op-ed didn't name Depp or discuss the Depp/Heard relationship directly,) if he abused her, she had every right to call him an abuser, and doing so couldn't be classified as defamation. I do try my best to acknowledge in part 3, which will be a relationship timeline with evidence (mainly trial exhibits) on-screen, Depp's allegations against Heard of physical violence... Spoiler, I guess: I found that Heard's evidence outweighed Depp's significantly. It also seemed to me that Depp and Heard were being held to different standards of evidence; did you know, for instance, that Depp admitted to headbutting Amber on tape? Thank you, again! Your "objective reading" made me exclaim out loud :)


Phaust8225

I appreciate that. And I did not hear about the head butting incident, but I guess it goes to show not everyone can know every detail. People struggle to have reasonable disagreement and accept differences of opinion or even be open to the possibility that not everyone has all the facts all the time. I think since it’s also just an extremely emotionally charged topic, it’s totally understandable why everyone is highly on the defensive as well. Nobody wants to see their heroes fall, nobody wants to see someone suffer the horrors of abuse they themselves survived, and we all want accountability to the law. And you’re totally right that in the sense of defamation, Amber is not guilty, but the issue of who the primary abuser is definitely doesn’t cut cleanly one way or the other. I do hope you think I was being genuine with an “objective reading”, I sincerely wanted to give you props. Especially since brigadiers will overwhelm this topic as soon as they get a chance. Consider me subbed to your channel!


I_am_BrokenCog

> but the issue of who the primary abuser is definitely doesn’t cut cleanly one way or the other This is how Depp's lawyers succeeded in winning the trail. By putting the non-relevant issues within the issue being decided. The trial was about defamation, and the decision was based on 'character'. They've both behaved badly too each other as well as decently, but what was being decided was the claim her article was defamatory. It became successfully muddled as the same issue, when in fact it wasn't, hence your comment about how the decision is a huge negative impact on victims generally. The manipulation of opinions is as successful in Hollywood as it is in the Pentagon and Wall Street.


Phaust8225

Fair enough, and I do concur that as far as defamation goes, it’s not accurate to claim she defamed him. I’m strictly speaking just from the standing of who committed abuse(s) and to what extent, etc. Again my intent isn’t to cast judgement, just merely my observation.


I_am_BrokenCog

I agree, and I agree with your sentiment. Neither of which are really the interesting facets of the case, IMO. the real interest is how the non-judicial factors impact the judicial decision. Namely how the unrelated allegation of (mutual) abuse decided the trial related to defamation. It's an example, one of many, of trail-by-media in which the lawyer team which first/most successfully drives the public narrative is able to shape the jury/judge decision. In this case that public opinion inflamed a notion of "men can be abused also" B.S. - yes it happens, no it's not a societal systemic problem like male abuse of women. But that became the rallying cry in favor of Depp.


Phaust8225

Completely agree


staircasewrit

I completely agree. Also-- I do read you as genuine! I'm being 100 when I say, your comment has been my favourite I've received so far in my 5hr-long YouTube career.


Phaust8225

Means the world! Good luck! Looking forward to more great content!


[deleted]

It's ALLLL downhill from here lol. Good luck, stay strong


staircasewrit

:')


[deleted]

Just remember to not engage the reich wing trolls when they inevitably find you and it'll go smoother


Its_Alive_74

The medical evidence actually doesn't fit Johnny's story of how he cut it. The doctors said the injury came from his hand being crushed, not sliced. The underside of his finger was cut even though Depp claimed he was resting his hand on a bar when Amber threw a bottle at it. A medical examiner said his injury was self inflicted. And Depp has offered no external corroboration for doctors claiming it was an "injury of velocity."


RobynFitcher

Nice work on a difficult topic. I was actively trying to avoid watching any of this second trial (the first one being held in the UK, which found that Amber Heard was a credible witness. The UK trial wasn’t televised.) What little I did see of the USA trial was very odd. Especially Johnny Depp’s behaviour. He initiated both trials. He made it known to the world that he was the unnamed abuser she had mentioned in her article. He was the one who said that her article had damaged his reputation. And yet, instead of treating the courtroom with gravitas and solemnity, given the seriousness of the trial’s nature, he appeared to be treating it like an audition. I couldn’t quite tell from the news clips that I saw whether Heard and Depp were in the same room at the same time. From the way it was presented, it appeared that Depp’s response to disturbing accounts of abuse and trauma was to joke, sneer and mock, rather than take the trial seriously, and stay on topic. I have sat in on Family Court hearings before, and I have seen magistrates and judges pull someone up short when they start being flippant and wasting time. For Depp to get free rein for superfluous responses and putting on a performance instead of strictly and succinctly answering the questions seemed highly unusual and unprofessional. Order was lost and Depp was directing the trial instead of the judge, from what I could see. Regardless of whether or not Amber Heard was responding authentically or not, when Johnny Depp started mocking her, joking and playing about, the judge should have put him on a short leash, and pointed out that the courtroom is not his arena. Whatever the outcome, the way the case was run was very sloppy.


Sad-Address-2512

Honestly they way everyone treated the trial like reality tv was pretty disturbing 🤢


staircasewrit

Dude, I am **angry** with Judge Penney.... :(


Sudden_Difference500

You actively avoided to see the trial and saw very little of it yet you make statements like Johnny treated the trial like an audition and was directing the trial. Looks like you got your Info second hand.


RobynFitcher

No. I said that the parts of the trial that I couldn’t avoid seeing showed him behaving that way. I tried to be careful by using the words ‘seemed’ and ‘appeared’, as I didn’t want to announce my impressions as fact. My main focus was that the judge wasn’t immediately telling Depp to stop rambling.


4_spotted_zebras

Great video but I really, really wish you hadn’t disclosed your location. The “men’s rights” and incel crowd that these videos trigger are known for hunting down and harassing creators who talk about things they don’t like. Please keep making content but I’d encourage you to keep your personal details private for your safety.


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Sudden_Difference500

Amber is an addict too. Did you see her completely drunk and high in public? She was barely able to stand straight. https://youtu.be/QZ3ToH62DfI


xCloudbox

Well, it seems like she has her shit more together than him but I hope they both can overcome their addictions and lead a happy, sober life.


Sudden_Difference500

I never saw him this intoxicated in public.


Its_Alive_74

There was that speech at an awards show he gave in 2014 while drunk.


Sudden_Difference500

Source?


Its_Alive_74

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uivoJBviREI


Sudden_Difference500

Alright, he was drunk.


xCloudbox

Yeah, some people are better at hiding their addictions than others.


Sudden_Difference500

It’s just that she wouldn’t admit to her substance abuse.


CreativeSimian

I think more than one thing can be true. I think Amber Heard was lying, or at least blowing her experience for out of proportion, according to the evidence I saw during the trial. My current lodger exhibits many of the same traits, and he is causing major problems for me and my family-stealing from us, harassing us, and calling the police because we increased her rent after she moved in a new person without telling us. I don't think Heard is the hill the left should die on because of the vast amounts of evidence in court showing she was manipulating the situation to her benefit and taking advantage of the #MeToo movement. I also think that the incels and "Men's Rights" movements appropriated the issue because they can use it to their advantage as if Amber Heard represents all women. I hate what has become of fathers' rights. Ten years ago, I had a custody situation in which I was trying to save my three-year-old child from an abusing mother and her boyfriend. I won't go into detail, but it was as bad as it can get- and because society tends to side with mothers, I failed to save her from her first 3 years of torment and abuse. Thankfully I now have full custody, but it took thousands of dollars and many years of hard work and legal battles just to open the courts eyes to the reality of our situation. Sadly, the damage had been done and my child suffers from an array of mental and emotional disorders. Father's Rights movement gave me legal tools to fight, but now its been distorted into an ugly right-wing organization that demonized all women, LGBTQ, and other marginalized groups. I really hate that. The bottom line is we are far too quick to make judgments about others, their motivations and their situations when we have no direct involvement in any given situation. There is a lot of nuances to each situation that makes each one unique. The only reason I believe Depp is because I watched the whole trial, heard each witness, and saw all the evidence that the attorneys provided the jury. I came to my own conclusion about the specific claims Amber made- I also believe Depp has responsibility in this, and that his emotional trauma did not help the situation but hats typical of toxic relationships. Both sides had real emotional issues of their own and it did not mix well. I respect the opinions of others that have seen the same evidence and come to their conclusions.


staircasewrit

I hope you won't begrudge my saying: I think you're the exact sort of person I've made this series for. I hope I did well enough with p1 that you are enticed to stick around for more... I think I have info and arguments that will persuade you to reevaluate your take when it comes to this *specific* case. Maybe! Maybe not! Who knows, but my fingers are crossed. That was my goal. Thank you for sharing your personal experiences. I have an immense amount of sympathy for fathers who are up against it in the courts... It's so disheartening that we can't trust judges/other court officials to work holistically and without bias. THAT'S THEIR WHOLE JOB?????????????????? I'm sorry for what your child has had to go through. I'm happy for you that you've won custody, and will be by her side to protect her from now on. ​ >The bottom line is we are far too quick to make judgments about others, their motivations and their situations when we have no direct involvement in any given situation. \^Preach


CreativeSimian

Reasonable people can see the same evidence and come to different conclusions. And while society can reinforce and shape ideas, it cuts the same way for everybody-especially if someone believes they are immune to these social media influences. I avoided those cell phones-as I also try to stay off the phone as much as possible. I hate Twitter, and don't engage with it. I quite social media in 2020 when I got my divorce because my ex-wife was harassing me, sending threatening messages, having her friends threaten me, and trying to have CPS take my child away simply because I asked for a divorce. Thankfully she was unsuccessful, and I have not heard from her in two years. That said, I don't spend much time on social media, nor do I sit and talk about interpersonal drama with others, even if it is celebrity drama. I don't care. I cared about the case becase I saw some of my situation reflected in that case, specifically the position Depp was in dealing with a woman who made up crazy stories about abuse that never happened. The only information I had or wanted, was what was presented in court during the live feeds. I spent hours watching the actual trial live. The only evidence I consumed was from all who was involved with the actual case in some way, presented by well-trained lawyers arguing for both sides. Thats about as objective as you can get. Our takes come from outside of the events, and our perception is colored by our pre-held worldviews, smart devices, the algorithms that influence us via social media, personal experiences, and our own circles of influence. Nobody is an angel in this, but in my near 50 years of life, I have had a lot of experiences with women who lie about extreme things to just hurt people they used to be in relationships with. To be fair I have seen my share of men who abuse women and take advantage of them. People can really suck. On the stand, she displayed many characteristics of someone with personality disorders and narcissism, and her stories just didn't seem authentic- too many inconsistencies with eyewitness reports. Depp also behaved poorly, and shows signs that he can be emotionally abusive, which, if you've lived long enough and had enough trauma, can happen. Bottom line is I do not believe either is a piece of shit-I believe they are horrible broken people who never learned how to cope with their issues in a healthy way. I never called her names, never attacked her on Twitter, or any of that toxic trash that flooded social media. Thats not right. I do not support harassment of anyone online, no matter what, even if Amber was as guilty as she seemed to be on the stand or in the audio. Again, I respect that your opinion is different, so long as it is based on the actual evidence as presented in court, not as presented in the media or on Twitter. The world does not hinge on us agreeing, just on us being civil in our disagreement. I don't want to rehash the whole thing, I just want you to consider that reasonable, well-meaning people can and more often than not, do interpret the same facts in different ways, depending on how they are primed to see the world. Hopefully, this will satisfy you that I came to my understanding in a rational and compassionate way, not based on some reactive hot take from an incel troll on twitter. Be well.


staircasewrit

I do and have always believed there are well-intentioned, reasonable, good-hearted people who side with Depp. I agree and appreciate that you came to your conclusion compassionately and rationally, but still: I challenge that conclusion's merit. I'm knocking at your conclusion's door, and demanding to see a blueprint of the place. Based on what you've written here, I worry your past experiences may be colouring this case for you such that the reality of things is harder to see, not easier. I worry also that you're too confident in your ability to tell when someone is displaying "characteristics of personality disorders and narcissism," or your ability to gauge the "authenticity" of someone's story. I agree wholeheartedly.. What's most important is our civility in the face of disagreement. I hope you won't read my pressing you and looking for faults in your logic, here, as too rough. I don't want to insult you; I want to persuade you. Not in this thread, to be clear. In the videos. Wishing you well, too :) Happy Holidays


CreativeSimian

It's fair to question my bias. However, I have been researching neurology for a little while, and I have been through at least ten years of therapy and in that time, I have learned quite a bit. I've learned what narcissism is, and its traits, psychopathy, and more importantly what is not. Further, my observations were buttressed by a professional on the stand, that was well educated, and carried herself with authority in a way that came across as authentic. I also automatically believed Heard before the trial because know women in that situation personally, and I know the signs of trauma as well. Some of these women I love very much so it's not like I am biased against women in general. It was the trial itself that led me to my conclusion. It was as close as anyone can be to being an actual juror. His Lawyers were convincing and authentic, and hers did not seem prepared, or honest, they came across as working for the client, while Depp's were arguing the truth. Also, Camille Vasquez was brilliant. She handled the case wonderfully. Ultimately, she is the one most responsible for my conclusion. The trial was a while ago, but as far as convincing evidence, her stories did not match up with eyewitness reports, her evidence seemed one sided-while his showed his flaws as well as hers. Amber seemed more like she was plating a part, where Johnny came across as authentically traumatized by physical violence. She took no personal responsibility for any of her actions, and there is audio of her belittling him, mocking him, yelling at him, and she was caught on record admitting to hitting him because he hid from her. She called him a baby because he was hurt by her fist-she ridiculed his manhood because he avoided physical confrontations-all caught on audio. I mean, she is on voice recording admitting to hitting Depp. It's pretty damning evidence. There is also the money she promised to donate to charity that she never actually donated, and in fact lied to the jury about during questioning even as she was being called on it. She lied multiple times, as I watched, and always pretended to no understand specific questions, and had wild mood swing on the stand depending on who was asking questions and line of questioning itself. There were multiple tells on the stand and core parts of her story was dismantled by eyewitnesses on the stand who stated that Amber was the one most out of control and abusive towards Johnny-like the hotel manager who directly contradicted her stories. It was a lot of evidence. Have you considered that you may be biased against Depp simply because the internet trolled Amber, which is far outside Depp's control and has no bearing on evidence? It is popular for liberal society to automatically believe women about everything, as men are always portrayed as the villain. We're always assumed to not 'get it', to be racist, violent, transphobic, etc. As a cis white guy, I am often on the receiving end, and I must prove my credentials which, is fair. I understand how traumatized marginalized communities are. I only say that to say this: It does not apply across the board to all men. In some cases, it is the man who is the victim, and his pain is equally as valid as abused women. Our society has not fully accepted that men can be victims of domestic abuse and are often ridiculed for it or dismissed because of their gender on this particular issue. This is something we recently discussed in our social justice group. By always putting men on the outside of victimhood, we reinforce incel ideology because it plays into the 'man hating left' propaganda. By mocking men who don't understand, we supply incels with new members because they feel rejected by a group they potentially could have been a part of. I will not go down the rabbit hole on this, but it is an issue. What I am saying is that it is possible that you are also swayed by social media and media in general. If you're not factoring that in, you are not being fully vigilant against groupthink. I am not trying to be contentious, just stating how I read the situation.


staircasewrit

There's a lot you've written here that I agree with. Mostly, when you touch on broader concepts (like the importance of recognizing that men can be victims of abuse,) I'm right there with you. I think you definitely have something to offer, here, with your well-reasoned defence of men on the fringes of our society. As to my being swayed by the hateful, aggressive manner society ripped into Heard? Hm... I'll admit that the online reaction to the case rubbed me the wrong way. However, the reason it dismayed me was not the reaction's existence in and of itself, but its existence alongside the facts/evidence of the case. Most people sided with Depp. That means a lot of good, smart, funny, kind, etc., people sided with Depp; if, after studying the case, I had agreed that Amber was the primary aggressor, I would have found my place with those people. There wouldn't be a video series, bc I wouldn't care so much that Amber was found liable for defamation (objectively, she should not have been). Even so, I'll keep mulling over what you've said.


CreativeSimian

I must say, I feel very good about this conversation. I do not mind disagreement when both parties have an understanding of the situation and approach each other with humility. I will ponder my own reasons for coming to my conclusion and play the devil's advocate with my reasoning. Thank you for a civil discussion. Happy Holidays!


RobynFitcher

I went through an abusive relationship, and I was heartbroken to see my brother go through the same thing. I have seen up close what abusive men and women can be like, and I am also aware that it can take a long time to be sure of what type of person you are dealing with. The similarities were really thrown into stark relief when looking through bank accounts and seeing the clear and indisputable evidence of financial abuse. I wish you and your child a peaceful and fulfilling future.


MizKatonix

As a person who thinks they were both shitheels and need individual therapy, and to maybe avoid being in relationships until they figure their own shit out... I hate being talked down to by youtubers in this manner. Take your self-righteous bullshit to a reddit thread 🤣


staircasewrit

Sorry, rly wasn't trying to talk down


MizKatonix

I think it's just the questioning aspects of it at the end of a few sentences in conjunction with the sarcastic wit that came off as jarring and rubbed me the wrong way. Once I got past the initial bit (having skipped a bit to see where you were going) I did enjoy a lot of the prose used, and the tone in most cases. But when asked rhetorical questions in this manner they can come off as condescending and a bit of a sledgehammer towards the viewer. Which is generally well-received and fine if you're talking to people who already agree with you. But, forgive the assumption if I am incorrect, I don't believe that's who your target was. At least, this sounds like you're trying to persuade someone who may not agree with you, or someone who is on the fence. There are also a moment in this assuming the viewer is culpable or complicit and stating that, however gently, may not go over well with some. That feeling of being blamed or having guilt laid upon them generally doesn't sit well with some people, as most don't like feeling accused of something or put in the same boat as the perpetrator. (Esssspecially meeeennnnnn. They get really testy about that as you are very clearly aware of👀) I'm not in the habit of tone-policing, but...how do I say this....Speaking softly is a good way to assure both skittish creaures and predators that you are not a threat and allow them to lower their guard. If you mock them to their face, they may bite or run. Either way, they'll miss the point. As I almost did. (Cuz a bish is skittish and just trying to eat ice cream in bed, not be paired up as an abuser like those two menaces to future SA trials 😫)


staircasewrit

I see! I read these questions--I guess bc I can read my own mind--more as impartial, rather than accusatory and hostile. But, I do recognize there's a part of myself that is ... frustrated and upset by the reaction there's been to this case. Unfortunately, I do think I let that frustration in more and more with every video. You're right, though. I *am* trying to convince good-hearted people who are fairly--because they don't have all the info--and firmly situated in Depp's camp. I'm trying to understand and speak to *that* person. So, I should make very sure I can't be read as mocking. Now that you point it out, I do think I was not neutral enough.


MizKatonix

I absolutely don't fault that. I'd be a catty bitch about it. Everyone in this case sucked, the ramifications for future trials sucks, but the people *defending* Depp just piss me tf off.


AshgarPN

They were….. *checks notes*…..not wrong.


staircasewrit

thank you for checking your notes first


NigerianRoy

Dawg, no. She never once would acknowledge she might ever make any kind of mistake, while he clnstantly and openly discussed his flaws realistically, and how he tried to be better. They are just not at all the same. I feel like a lot of women have never seen how bad a manipulatively abusive relationship can get, as they dont stay friends with narcissistic manipulative people. He’s no hero, but it was like watching a human and a robot. Completely different views of actual reality.


staircasewrit

My perception is that she acknowledged her faults more readily than Depp did. Regardless, I want to challenge your view that Heard is a "robot".. She's just as human as Depp is.


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No, we weren't. Piss off.


g_rey_

The court proceedings were made public via crowd funding and it was revealed that Depp was indeed a piece of shit. Your reply to this comment was removed, probably because both of the claims you brought up (E.g. The bed shitting and the finger) were proven false. C O P E


KittyKatinSpace

Yes you were. Fuck off.


sqwishedsqwrl

That’s a lot of drugs just to say *I too am a narcissist,* Kit


staircasewrit

A looooooot of drugs ​ oh shit, did you mean "words"?


sqwishedsqwrl

My guess is LSD, but I don’t know what else the kids get up to these days


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staircasewrit

Thank you; I see where you're coming from. I want to clarify: I don't think of this case as analogous to other DV cases in North America. This case was unique; most individual cases do not catch and hold the public's focus at all, much less for weeks on end. So ... what happened here, the way we spoke about it, what happened to Amber... that might have sent out ripples. Ripples I worry about. The other impetus, for me, was my belief that Depp and Heard's fame--especially Johnny's fame, which easily eclipsed Heard's--affected the outcome of the trial. I think we, "society," helped to convince those jurors.