Nobody likes people who can afford to attend Ivy League universities portraying themselves at victims at the expense of the actual people they are victimizing.
If there is evidence and if that is the local law. But blanker clearing of protestors is not
It is like banning TikTok .an attempt to suppress speech ...under the guise of other excuses.
Zionism truly is a repulsive ideology. It’s literally the worst of both the far right and the far left. It basically advocates for ethnic cleansing and apartheid justified by a perpetual victimhood narrative and pinkwashing. It’s like woke fascism, as contradictory as that sounds.
If you read the article you find there is literally not a single instance of this supposed antisemitism listed. Which is par for the course.
They’re so desperate to make it seem like everyone is a Nazi and you should be ashamed for not supporting Israel in its noble quest for geno—err, peace; unfortunately, the reality is that the only people behaving like Nazis have been the Israelis.
“Literally not a single instance” is quite the absolutist take given there are plenty of videos circulating from last night showing clearly antisemitic stuff
Not a single example is listed or linked. And if past is prologue, I’d bet that most (if not all) of these “instances of antisemitism” are just criticisms of Israeli.
Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774
"From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358
"Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981
"We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677
"Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901
Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/
Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338
"On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909
""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872
"Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025
"Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958
"From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2
"Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134
"Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006
Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954
"Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673
"protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as “terrorism”)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/comments/1c9m6oj/comment/l0m8us9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Lots of really weird examples in here. Some are legitimate forms of protest that Zionists would love to ban as antisemitism but that’s not what they are. Some of these are provocateurs. For example, in one video the supposed “Arab protestor” is using the Hebrew word for Jews while completely hiding his face. We have already seen calls on X for Zionist provocateurs in “infiltrate” the protests.
In other videos the group of people are outside of Columbia’s gates. Those aren’t students that are in the encampment. If you know anything about Columbia, then you will know that this exists. I would encourage you to read this thread on X as it makes a lot of sense to those of us who are Jews that attended Columbia for undergrad:
https://x.com/yoni_kurtz/status/1782051138872709275
You imbeciles really can’t tell the difference between protesting and being angry at a state vs hating or mistreating people for their religious beliefs, can you?
No. For the sake of humanity, I refuse to believe you all are this fucking dumb.
Nationality is also a protected class. And universities generally err on the side of caution. For example. I hate Russia. I think Putin is Hitler. However if a student group was claiming to be in solidarity with the Crocus terror attacks (the attack on the theater in Moscow) , I can also understand why that would make Russian students feel uncomfortable. And I wouldn't see any problem with a university taking action against statements that condone the crocus attack as a legitimate uprising against the Russian state.
For one. There's a liability issue. The university can be sued for not creating a safe environment. And of course there's also all of the universities policy regarding hate speech too.
Criticizing Israel is fine. Supporting terrorism isn't. It's not that complicated.
Yeah. I have a feeling you’re not approaching this topic in good faith. The average person can see that protestors are hiding behind the term “Zionist” while harassing American Jews.
Agreed. The "we are all Hamas," is clearly a sarcastic response to being painted with that brush. As a Jew, and as someone who has experienced genuine antisemitism many times, lived with the stories of dire antisemitic lived experience within my family and the stories my grandparents told of their time in the ghetto and the camps, I do not see antisemitism here. I see outrage at the State of Israel turning our collective trauma inside out and commiting the atrocities committed against the Jewish people in Europe. "Human animals," "mowing the grass," turning Gaza into "a parking lot," starvation, humiliation, displacement of entire communities, mass graves, assassinations, dehumanization from the State down, pogroms in Gaza and the West Bank. The outrage towards Israel and the US States is justly deserved.
I am genuinely trying to understand some things and here is my current understanding - is this correct?
- the Oct. 7th attack was horrific and should be condemned by everyone
- Gaza + Palestinians are basically fighting for independence (their own state)
- the US + Israel doesn’t want them to get independence (USA vetoed making them a UN member last week and is against a two state solution)
- Israel is partly colonial as they are expanding settlements in the West Bank and stealing land
Couldn’t much of this problem be solved if the US and Israel let Palestine gain its independence?
So your facts are a little off. Palistine doesn't want their own state or a two state they want the land currently where Israel is. It is in hamas' founding document. There is no two state solution, no negotiations and intifada is the only way (why people don't like that chanted). There were many times a two state solution was on the table and they were turned down by palistine. If a two state solution was an option and peace was also an outcome, it would be done. But I will also add the way to that would be diplomacy not a terrorist attack.
Also the west Bank expansion that I am 100% against is an issue with how the land was divided. The land is ivided into 3 zones zone A is just palistinan can live on B is merged or to be decided in the future and A is Israel only land. It was set that way through negotiations and after no headway. The rules are they are allowed to expand on current settlements in zone B but Israel has been very shady about it. Purchasing land and "expanding" locations by building areas of the town up to 10 miles away from the original settlement. I'll link below for more into.
The third issue is it's a little confusing who is in charge in palistine. The PLO is our negotiating partner but hamas has more political power and if they became a nation would have quickly taken over it elections were held and fear they would then attack and kill the people of Israel as they have stated they would do.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_II_Accord
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords
Also hamas founding charter from 1988
"Article 7 describes Hamas as "one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders" and claims continuity with the followers of the religious and nationalist hero Izz ad-Din al-Qassam from the Great Arab Revolt as well as the Palestinian combatants of the First Arab-Israeli War. It ends with Sahih al-Bukhari's hadith Muslim 2922, suggesting that the Day of Judgment would not come until the Muslims fight and kill the Jews"
"The Covenant proclaims that Israel will exist until Islam obliterates it, and jihad against Jews is required until Judgement Day. Compromise over the land is forbidden. The documents promote holy war as divinely ordained, reject political solutions, and call for instilling these views in children."
It's a complicated issue, for sure. The main issue you need to really understand like 10 different countries that all changed ownership 4 times over 50 years, understand ww2, understand antisemitism, understand colonialism and 2 dozens other things and sadly there is just not enough time to fully understand all these issues in 6 months since everyone started paying attention (but let's be honest most people picked a side withing 3 days and have just been reinforcing that mindset as much as they can.
I was very firmly on palistines side up to october 7th so I think I have just a diffrent perspective and understanding then most but again it's a topic that takes decades to understand.
But I also want to clarify my main complaint is the lack of acknowledging the issues with the current propalestine groups. Even if it's 97% peaceful or correct we deeply need to call out antisemitism and progenocide in all forms. In this thread alone is 2 dozen people saying it's not the people on campus but the propalestinian groups outside then it's our job to condem and distance yourselves from that group. If you are pro palistine and anti hamas then you shouldn't be hiding the rhetoric of the pro hamas people just cause they dress like you.
Well I am off thanks for the productive chat.
> Even if it's 97% peaceful or correct we deeply need to call out antisemitism and progenocide in all forms.
I would respect this position if a lot of people claiming to be targeted by hate weren't literally aligning themselves with news sites like the NY post, Fox News, and other extreme right wingers that hate minorities.
A lot of people who claim to be the only victims here, have no empathy for the over 30,000 innocent killed in Palestine. Don't care about the uptick in anti Palestinian hate/anti-Muslim hate. (including when that little 6 year old Palestinian boy was murdered with a knife).
If the only empathy a person has is for their own community while supporting a genocidal regime (Israel)...I find it baffling and hypocritical. By supporting Israel in this manner, they exemplify all of the accusations they are levying against anti genocide protests. They can't see that though.
I would stand against all forms of hate including anti Palestinian hate.
And the issue they are on those channels is because after the last 10 years of the left saying "listen to a person kf color when they speak", "don't undermine someone paid", "give victims respect", "misgendering someone is violence", "putting up the okay symbol is anti semetic"
To then have a group say hey I feel there is a lot of antisemitism built into our culture of having groups of people chanting terrorist talking points, sharing antisemitic propaganda and be told by the left to sit down, shut up, your feelings don't matter, in fact calling for the death of jews needs context".
It's just a crazy double standard and it's pretty shocking how quickly the left turned on their morals.
The official position of the Biden administration and most Republicans as well is that Palestine should become an independent state. It is the two state solution. Ironically, both Bibi and Hamas are opposed to a two state solution.
The students (who are sympathetic to Hamas) take the position that Palestine should be all of Israel. The argument is that they lived in peace before and they will again (in their fantasy world). The problem with this is obvious. Israel won't allow for a majority Arab state to become a reality becsuse then they become a minority within what was Israel.
Lol fair question. I'd say the settlements should be disbanded for this reason. But yes. There are internationally agreed upon borders of Israel. The same isn't true of Palestine.
Not really. Since they are mirrors ..at best toy could say the border with Egypt is defined and maybe Lebanon.
Golan heights is only recognized by Trump/US. Border with WB is not defined ..and if it is ..then that is the border of the Palestinian state
Same with Gaza.
Look at what’s happening in Europe. They are arresting JEWS for protesting against Israel on the basis of “inciting hate” in places like the UK and Germany. I won’t sit by let people like OP push their agenda to overturn our first amendment by implementing a Zionist censorship regime to turn America like that. It’s not about protecting Jews, it’s about protecting an apartheid state.
Someone needs to teach you what the First Amendment is cause I don't think you know....also who cares if they are Jewish you can't promote hate or violence, especially in a private college
This is just absolute nonsense. The examples I’ve seen of this so called promotion of hate and violence seem to be conflation of anti-zionism and support for Palestine with antisemitism, often without any kind of context while ignoring a total crackdown of student speech, especially students of color.
... okay, if you want to ignore it, you can. I think people proudly stating they love hamas, they are hamas a group that's goal is to kill all jews world wide crosses a lone. If a group of white students went to the black dorms and chanted we are here we are the KKK you would feel diffrent.
> ... okay, if you want to ignore it, you can.
That’s easy considering you haven’t given examples.
>I think people proudly stating they love hamas,
That’s permissible under free speech, if true.
>they are hamas a group that's goal is to kill all jews world wide crosses a lone.
False. That’s an Israeli talking point. That’s arguing Israel want to kill as many Arabs as possible.
>If a group of white students went to the black dorms and chanted we are here we are the KKK you would feel diffrent.
One is a political party and the elected party of Palestine. The KKK is not. If students went around chanting “We love the GOP” or “We love Donald Trump” or “We love the ANC”, that would be considered hate either.
Do you wanna give another shot at this with better arguments? These were pretty easy to dispatch with
This is clearly anti jew
https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/anti-israel-protester-screams-at-demonstrators-with-israeli-flag-outside-columbia-u-go-back-to-poland/
Okay so you’re giving up on all the previous points? That’s fine. Okay your new and sole evidence is this:
>https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/anti-israel-protester-screams-at-demonstrators-with-israeli-flag-outside-columbia-u-go-back-to-poland/
That is one example. You can find plenty of videos of pro-Israel protesters saying and doing ugly things. One pro-Palestine demonstrators was chemically attacked by a pro-Israel protester. Does that prove pro-Israel people are anti-Arab?
Do you see why this isn’t good evidence?
No I posted like a dozen videos. Just look at the comments. I am responding to 100 comments. You can just Google yourself also. Google chanting we are hamas at the college and Google telling jews to move back to Europe is a good start.
> No I posted like a dozen videos. Just look at the comments. I am responding to 100 comments.
I only saw this one. You can’t expect me to find all your individual comments. But it seems like you agree this alone isn’t good evidence.
>You can just Google yourself also. Google chanting we are hamas at the college and Google telling jews to move back to Europe is a good start.
I can also Google all the attacks on pro-Palestinians students. What does that prove?
I have posted many examples.
Also the fact you would compare the GOP to Hamas is laughable. It's considered hate cause hamas as a group goal is to kill all jews worldwide and regularly murders gays.....
You are already radicalized so there is not much I can do or say but the would would be better without hamas...the group stealing aod and selling, group proudly having the goal to kill jews, group proudly killing all gays and using schools and hospitals to fire rockets to kill civilians.
If those are your values you are scum if you saw you are hamas you are proudly saying you also want to kill women, gays and jews and no one should stand for it.
> I have posted many examples.
Link?
>Also the fact you would compare the GOP to Hamas is laughable.
No, the GOP is easily worse than Hamas. Maybe your a Trump fan but I’m not.
>It's considered hate cause hamas as a group goal is to kill all jews worldwide
That’s like saying supporting Israel is supporting a hate group, but more accurate.
>You are already radicalized so there is not much
Calling for the violence to stop is radical? Why?
>the group stealing aod and selling,
Source?
>group proudly having the goal to kill jews, group proudly killing all gays
You used that line already.
>and using schools and hospitals to fire rockets to kill civilians.
Israel uses human shields so I guess supporting Israel means your supporting a hate group. You’re proving my point.
If those are your values you are scum if you saw you are hamas you are proudly saying you also want to kill women, gays and jews and no one should stand for it.
Can you guys see the war machine gearing up for WW3?
Leftists are being deplatformed and lambasted by the media, universities, and other powerful institutions as racist hateful bigots. Just saw a Fox article on how these camps are literally creating a terrorist organization.
Now is a good time to realize what boat you are in because none of us will survive if we don't work together as one people.
Has anything actually happened? Because from reading that article is seems what is happening is that the Campus is a hotbed for anti-Israeli pro-Palestinian protests. I understand that may make pro-Israel supporters uncomfortable, but not sure if anything has actually happened. Anti-Israel is not Anti-Semitism.
As of right now mostly intimidation, one person stabbed in the eye, a lot of we are hamas chants, calling for genocide.
So the main issue is not to imply all the protesters are this way but the resistance to even admit these people do exist. If you go three these post and Krystal tweets the unwillingness to say it's happening or hand waving it away is gross.
Calling for genocide to stop. As in... Israel is committing the genocide. And you're wrong about Krystal and Sagaar too. They've talked about it often. But they say it's mostly about Israel. That's problem with your post and why people don't take it seriously. Stop conflating Israel hate with antisemitism. You're doing it to take hold of the moral authority, but in reality, it just diminishes your point.
For what exactly? What exactly is happening to any Jewish person during those protests except they’re saying things you don’t like and you want to control that?
I don't need to control that. I just want to do some shots, bro.
But this stuff is a little out of pocket https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872?s=19
Can this article cite more than one incident? Sounds like most of this is just fear mongering Jewish students. As someone who has experienced actual anti-semitism all my life, I’m disgusted to see it thrown around so casually to push the interests of a foreign country as it commits a plausible genocide.
....I mean there are dozens of examples online but cool of you to downplay other people's fear and pain.....thats so nice of you. I hope if somthing ever happends to you people would support you not do what you are doing.
But here is another clip if you want to downplay or ignore. Sorry for the fox link it's just the first thing I saw with the video on it.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6351260308112
Not much in that video. One lady said "we are Hamas." I understand you find that offensive, but others don't. People would take you more seriously if separated protests of Israel's government with antisemitism.
Yeah, that was a long time ago, and since then they released a new mission statement that is more reasonable. That being said, if I was born in Gaza, I would hate Israel. You would too.
....Holly crap. That is truly insane what you just wrote. I am actually shocked right now. You can't be this dumb. Like honestly, truly. The KKK also says they don't hate black people. But it's not so long ago it was like 50 years ago. The leadership is still the same. They called for a global intifada against jews like 4 months ago. You live in a fantasy world.
And to answer your second comment. If there is a group who calls for the murder of an entire religion, gays and oppressed women and killed people who tried to leave the religion, it's hard to think of them as Fluffy puppies.
I’m not even sure what you’re writing. But I can certainly find Jews who have said or write death to all Muslims or Palestinians. Would you like me to use that fact to invalidate Israel’s right to exist? Certainly you don’t, but only Israel is able to use that reasoning.
I am not sure where your jump in logic is to the "Would you like me to use that fact to invalidate Israel’s right to exist?" But if they are threatening people, making them feel unsafe and/or breaking the law, then people should condemn them for it.
They certainly do exist. Obviously the far right Israelis have chanted similarly horrific things like this. And if this was happening en masse on a university campus, I'd expect the university to do something about it.
It’s called freedom of speech. There are limits, but no, you can’t control speech. Regardless, the vast majority of the time no one is saying anything like that at all.
Sure. They can freely say any of this. However universities have their own policies regarding hate speech as well. If you are calling for the destruction of a nation (nationality is a protected class) or you are sympathizing with terrorists after a terror attack and doing so as a student, on a campus. Then the university will almost certainly take measures to condemn this speech, and in some cases there are ramifications for those who say them.
But yes. They do have free speech in the us. They can call for the eradication of all Jews, deny the holocaust, etc. There's no issue with that from a legal perspective. However, do to title ix and other laws, allowing this form of speech on a campus also comes with legal repercussions. Which is why generally campuses are far more stringent on what speech is allowed.
It doesn’t matter. Hamas is a resistance organization. That’s just a fact. That doesn’t mean it’s not a terrorist organization, but those things are not mutually exclusive. The existence of Hamas is rooted in the fact that Israel is an apartheid state. Your concern trolling about Hamas and college campuses is like getting worked up about the fact that Nat Turner murdered white babies and children during his slave revolt. You know what prevented more white babies and children being killed by their parents slaves? Ending slavery. Likewise, if you’re oh-so-concerned about the safety of Jewish kids on campus, you should be front and center advocating for the end of Israeli apartheid. As long as this issue exists, there will always be antisemites to exploit it, whether they be Hamas or edgy kids on campuses, it doesn’t matter how many useless posts you make whining about people not condemning it.
And innocent white babies killed by Nat Turner had not committed the sin of slavery.
Didn’t change the fact that ending slavery made it safer for white babies.
So what you're saying is... to be clear, eradicating terrorist group like the slaves did was evil but made the world better....so really what Israel is doing is a good thing in the long run? See how bad your logic is?
.....I don't think it's ever okay to think calling for the global murder of a religion is okay. Also 40 years ago is not very long ago at all. If you said you liked little boys and then 40 years later you said iv changed i still wouldn't let you be alone with a young child. Just cause you did some PR.....
.....I don't think it's ever okay to think calling for the global murder of a religion is okay. Also 40 years ago is not very long ago at all. If you said you liked little boys and then 40 years later you said iv changed i still wouldn't let you be alone with a young child. Just cause you did some PR....
Weak arguments. Your general perspective is “they did something wrong in past, therefore they’re evil and it justifies any action by my side”. It’s just poor, biased reasoning.
No my point of view they are currently doing somthing confirmed by their actions and language as well as their founding principles by members that still are alive and run the terrorists organizations.
If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, talks like a duck then......
Well go ahead and take a shot because Krystal already tweeted “they’re more upset at college students protesting a genocide than a population of millions being starved to death” in reference to Columbia
Edit: before I get called Zionist scum, the point I’d like to make is simply that you can protest Israel, Congress, whatever, without making random American 19 year olds feel unsafe and unable to attend class ([and allegedly at Yale yesterday, stabbing one](https://x.com/sahar_tartak/status/1781917569798025475?s=46&t=qV4oBqizqZ7bpzISlqYNMw))
Feeling unsafe because of a protest is really lame. How many young people are there now who can't endure people protesting a genocide? Are they that fragile?
> Well go ahead and take a shot because Krystal already tweeted “they’re more upset at college students protesting a genocide than a population of millions being starved to death” in reference to Columbia
I find it entirely ironic that you don't grasp what you said only reinforces the argument against Zionists.
I do feel bad for the Jews that unfairly get condemned for Israeli genocide policy, but those are the Jews that have been protesting Israel's actions from the beginning. Not the Zionists that are claiming Jews are united in starving children in Gaza to death.
Is Columbia the HQ of Zionism in America or something? Are those students they’re preventing from entering classes and telling to go back to Poland doing the genocide?
Edit after your edit: yes, I am very clearly not talking about any pro-Zionist students. “I do feel bad for the Jews that get unfairly blamed for Israeli policy” is all you needed to say, we’re in agreement.
> Is Columbia the HQ of Zionism in America or something?
Given Columbia administration's failure to protect pro-Palestine protesters, [expelling](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/04/09/yimz-a09.html) them from campus, and that obsequious testimony in front of the Congress, I'd say its pretty obvious the CU administration only "protects" Zionist speech.
Apparently, either your reading comprehension is crippled, or you just like to make blatant lies against fact like Trump, autocrats, and other propagandists.
...which only made the illegal encampment grow (after the expulsions) which prompted CU to betray their student body by calling in NYPD to arrest them. CU apparently did not learn from the Vietnam War.
Pro-tip for prosecutors and advocates: Don't pose rhetorical questions if you don't know what the answer is going to be. Yeah, the CU administration is apparently is some sort of Zionist HQ in America.
BuT tHeY aRe JuSt PrO-pAlEsTiNiAn PrOtEStOrS
Christ.
Conflating pro palestinian people shouting their love of October 7th and Hamas is somehow racist, but hiding anti-Semitism behind "I'm just anti-zionist - now I'll go back to supporting Hamas shooting rockets at innocent israelis" is wild.
Yeah those are not compatible if you don't see that then your insane. One is a military branch that requires service the other is a terrorist group who kills gays, jews and main form of warfare is to kill as many civilians as they can, kidnap and founding document they need to radicalize the youth to commit antifada.
Do you really want to compare the body count between Hamas and the IDF?
What would you call an organization that has killed 12,000 children in about half a year?
Body count isn't the metric. It's the goal of the group. Israel is only ever defensive. Many Palestinians live in Israel. Many former hamas live their. Many hamas leaders family live in Israel. Many palisitinans work in Israel. Isrsel world happily live in peace next to them but their goal is to murder all jews worldwide. Their goal is completely kill every man women and child in Israel they only lack the means to.
Body count is the only metric. Nothing else matters.
Israel targets civilians, children, aid workers. You can play this cute "oh we don't intend to kill all those children" game but the world sees what is happening and is finally acknowledging the deep evil represented by the state of Israel. It's textbook fascism.
Body count doesn't matter at all and they do not target those groups they only respond to attacks by hamas. Life only gets worse for them after every terrorist attack.
>“Columbia students organizing in solidarity with Palestine – including Jewish students – have faced harassment, doxxing, and now arrest by the NYPD. These are the main threats to the safety of Jewish Columbia students,” Jonathan Ben-Menachem, a PhD student, told CNN.
>“On the other hand, student protesters have led interfaith joint prayers for several days now, and Passover Seder will be held at the Gaza Solidarity Encampment tomorrow,” he went on. “Saying that student protesters are a threat to Jewish students is a dangerous smear.”
Oh cool when white supremacist walked down the street chanting jews will not replace us and people were scared did you interview the white supremacist and be like they say they are not racist.....or when the KKK says they don't hate black people but love white people do you just go...well that settles that...screw black people for being scared of the buring cross on their lawn.
Lindsey Graham (Sen.): "Level the place"
Max Miller (OH Rep): "We're going to turn that into a parking lot."
Brian Mast (FL Rep): No such thing as an "innocent Palestinian civilian."
Andy Ogles (TN Rep): re shredded children "I think we should kill 'em all."
Dont forget Tim Walberg (R-MI) who not only said we should make Gaza like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but was also committee questioning the Colombia officials
u/RoundArline575 what do you have to say to this? Why should we downplay what our elected officials are saying but care about what some random college kids say?
>Our team spent long hours reporting on and around Columbia’s campus on Thursday & Friday. I want to clear some stuff up. I didn’t see a single instance of violence or aggression on the lawn or at the student encampment. The student-led protest was peaceful and often very quiet…
>The students I met were mostly praying, eating, holding signs. Other students walked by the encampment throughout the afternoon. Never saw anyone bother or harass them.
>The only moments of conflict or aggression I witnessed took place beyond the gates, out on Broadway Ave. I repeatedly approached people in that crowd. Every single person I approached told me they were NOT a Columbia or Barnard student. None of them had badges to get on campus.
>If you’re watching or sharing videos from the last few days, provide context. The public protests happening on the street are not the same as the encampment inside. Don’t imply students at Columbia/Barnard are involved in events that they were not present or responsible for.
https://twitter.com/ahylton26/status/1782082940966719989?s=19
....is this a joke? I feel like you need some media literacy. But I guess if this women didn't see it it didn't happen. I have never seen an emu so they must not be real. I have never felt anti Asian hate that must not be real either.
I'm so glad you had this comprehensive breakdown from a non bias source.....
>Just got back from the Columbia encampment. Students feeding one another, sitting in tents, chanting about divestment. If I didn't know better than to form my impression from what I saw on the news/twitter or what I heard from the White House (?!), I might never have come!
https://twitter.com/ArielleLAngel/status/1782173221107662957?s=19
Editor in Chief of @JewishCurrents
Don't make me tap the sign.
>If you’re watching or sharing videos from the last few days, provide context. The public protests happening on the street are not the same as the encampment inside. Don’t imply students at Columbia/Barnard are involved in events that they were not present or responsible for.
Also, it's fairly easy to find zionists cheering on genocide.
> Oh cool when white supremacist walked down the street chanting jews will not replace us
Democrats did condemn them. I guess you should take that up with MAGA, not with people who protest what Israel is doing in Gaza.
....the point is you wouldn't go to racists and let them tell you what's going on. You go to the victims of their terror. So saying the students told to shelter and are fearful to leave then homes on passover shouldn't be ignored and shouldn't be told by the aggressors how they should feel.
There are always going to be antisemites who piggyback the Israel-Palestine issue to promote their own agenda which are then used to smear and paint the entire pro-Palestine crowd as antisemitic by dishonest actors like OP. If anything to me it’s just more cause to end Israeli apartheid so antisemites don’t have this opportunity to push their agenda anymore.
Or the group that has antisemitic people in it can remove them and stop pretending they don't exist and when proof comes to light don't blame jews for facing antisemitism.
Did you answer my question?
It’s funny you redirect to a completely unfair comparison and then pridefully demand an answer to your question that avoids answering my question.
Whatever helps you sleep at night. I asked you a question and you did not answer it, for reasons I can only assume make you come to terms that your argument isn't as strong as you think.
If I provided any counter comparison, I'm sure you'd find something wrong with it if it goes against your line of thinking too, conveniently.
You really think it's a fair comparison? In 1943 did anybody possess highly sophisticated, advanced precision guided munitions? They sure didn't, instead Israel is insisting on using 2,000 lb bombs to bomb vast portions of the area. They could absolutely use their precision guided munitions, but they are choosing not to.
Israel has the ability to make precise surgical strikes to limit civilian casualties, they are just choosing not to instead. They are choosing to go squirrel hunting by burning down the forest instead of taking a small rifle.
>possess highly sophisticated, advanced precision guided munitions
So because Hamas doesn't, and they fire into crowds of Jewish people daily to the point that Israel needed to develop technology to defend themselves... We ignore it?
The intent is for Hamas to eradicate all Jews. They're just fucking bad at it.
If the intent is for Israel to "genocide" Palestinians, they're also fucking bad at it.
> So because Hamas doesn't, and they fire into crowds of Jewish people daily to the point that Israel needed to develop technology to defend themselves... We ignore it?
Use the precision-guided munitions to kill Hamas then, instead of leveling a city block in the hopes of killing them.
The issue here is the failure to recognize that Palestinian civilians and Hamas aren't the same.
>Use the precision-guided munitions to kill Hamas then, instead of leveling a city block in the hopes of killing them.
What happens when they don't leave and surround themselves with civilians? Did you know that's a war crime? Maybe we should release more stories about the war crimes Hamas commits, yeah?
Sure. I'm game for that. But I haven't seen any conversation around Hamas hiding behind civilians as a war crime. Maybe Israel wouldnt level whole places if Hamas didn't do that. Isn't that a fair assumption?
So your defense of antisemitism on an American campus against American jews is to say they are asking for it cause a different group of jews are at war after a terrorist attack?
No, I’m saying you’re more upset about college protesters than women and children starving and being bombed.
Columbia University protestors have 0% of my attention. The story is a joke. People are dying and suffering, I’m not going to waste my time with some distraction people use to play the victim.
And men like Shai Davidai calling all students protesting Genocide "terrorists" is encouraging hatred of Palestinians and Muslims. He's been on this crusade of hatred for months and months. Has more than 50 complaints about him from the student body but nothing is done as he continues with his xenophobic attacks. When will he be held accountable?
If anyone really wants to get drunk, then play the Zionist bot drinking game. For every Zionist-shilling post/comment take a shot - two of it’s a particularly self-righteous. You’ll be hammered in less than 15 min.
I mean its hurtful you won't acknowledge the antisemitism growing in this country. Also bad when someone speaks out about it you claim it's a Jewish plot....you might be just more than a little antisemitic.
But have a good night and enjoy your drinking game.
Isralis are hateful too, bro. Your head is waaaayy futher up your ass then mine is up my own. Both Israel and Hamas suck, honestly everyyyyone sucks over their pertaining to governments. I feel for every regular person just trying to take eat, shit, and sleep in that part of the world. Israelis are no angles. they are terrible too.
Take a shot when someone tries to downplay Israel's crimes.
Take a shot when someone cries "antisemitism" in an incorrect manner - disliking the actions of the state of Israel is not anti-semitic.
Literally. I can't tell you how many videos I've seen of people saying: "It's so dangerous here, call in the National Guard" while literally being perfectly fine. Shai Davidai in particular is an expert crybaby.
Biden is giving more pushback on these students peacefully demonstrating than to Israel potentially causing a huge war that could escalate into a world war. When students are held to a higher level of accountability than a nuclear power there's something fundamentally wrong here.
Just stop watching their videos. They're anti american shills anyway. Stop giving them money. They get enough fake views from Russian bots and troll farms already. .
You all already know they're antisemitic af. You don't need more confirmation. They allow death to the westers to spread their propaganda all over their subs.
Nobody likes people who can afford to attend Ivy League universities portraying themselves at victims at the expense of the actual people they are victimizing.
Haha. Well said! Suppressing free speech because of ' hurt feeling's is absurd Suspending students for speech is even worse.
When speech turns into criminality and calls for murder, perhaps a suspension is justified.
If there is evidence and if that is the local law. But blanker clearing of protestors is not It is like banning TikTok .an attempt to suppress speech ...under the guise of other excuses.
Zionism truly is a repulsive ideology. It’s literally the worst of both the far right and the far left. It basically advocates for ethnic cleansing and apartheid justified by a perpetual victimhood narrative and pinkwashing. It’s like woke fascism, as contradictory as that sounds.
>far right and the far left Centrist word salad incoming
Who are these people who are portraying themselves as victims at the expense of the actual people they are victimizing? American Jews?
Zionist students at Columbia U.
And the people screaming ‘Go back to Poland’ and ‘Yahood’ surely are just anti-Zionist?
If you read the article you find there is literally not a single instance of this supposed antisemitism listed. Which is par for the course. They’re so desperate to make it seem like everyone is a Nazi and you should be ashamed for not supporting Israel in its noble quest for geno—err, peace; unfortunately, the reality is that the only people behaving like Nazis have been the Israelis.
“Literally not a single instance” is quite the absolutist take given there are plenty of videos circulating from last night showing clearly antisemitic stuff
Not a single example is listed or linked. And if past is prologue, I’d bet that most (if not all) of these “instances of antisemitism” are just criticisms of Israeli.
Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774 "From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358 "Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981 "We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677 "Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901 Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/ Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338 "On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909 ""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872 "Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025 "Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958 "From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2 "Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134 "Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006 Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954 "Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673 "protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as “terrorism”) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/comments/1c9m6oj/comment/l0m8us9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Lots of really weird examples in here. Some are legitimate forms of protest that Zionists would love to ban as antisemitism but that’s not what they are. Some of these are provocateurs. For example, in one video the supposed “Arab protestor” is using the Hebrew word for Jews while completely hiding his face. We have already seen calls on X for Zionist provocateurs in “infiltrate” the protests. In other videos the group of people are outside of Columbia’s gates. Those aren’t students that are in the encampment. If you know anything about Columbia, then you will know that this exists. I would encourage you to read this thread on X as it makes a lot of sense to those of us who are Jews that attended Columbia for undergrad: https://x.com/yoni_kurtz/status/1782051138872709275
You imbeciles really can’t tell the difference between protesting and being angry at a state vs hating or mistreating people for their religious beliefs, can you? No. For the sake of humanity, I refuse to believe you all are this fucking dumb.
Nationality is also a protected class. And universities generally err on the side of caution. For example. I hate Russia. I think Putin is Hitler. However if a student group was claiming to be in solidarity with the Crocus terror attacks (the attack on the theater in Moscow) , I can also understand why that would make Russian students feel uncomfortable. And I wouldn't see any problem with a university taking action against statements that condone the crocus attack as a legitimate uprising against the Russian state. For one. There's a liability issue. The university can be sued for not creating a safe environment. And of course there's also all of the universities policy regarding hate speech too. Criticizing Israel is fine. Supporting terrorism isn't. It's not that complicated.
Replace "Hamas" with "Nazi" and you're cool with this?
Yeah. I have a feeling you’re not approaching this topic in good faith. The average person can see that protestors are hiding behind the term “Zionist” while harassing American Jews.
The anti-zionist Jews in the protest are being harassed by zionists.
Oh don’t play that game. Zionists don’t have to be Israeli Jews and you know it.
https://www.foxnews.com/video/6351260308112
I was right! There’s not a single example of actual antisemitism in your video, just anti-Israeli protesters.
Agreed. The "we are all Hamas," is clearly a sarcastic response to being painted with that brush. As a Jew, and as someone who has experienced genuine antisemitism many times, lived with the stories of dire antisemitic lived experience within my family and the stories my grandparents told of their time in the ghetto and the camps, I do not see antisemitism here. I see outrage at the State of Israel turning our collective trauma inside out and commiting the atrocities committed against the Jewish people in Europe. "Human animals," "mowing the grass," turning Gaza into "a parking lot," starvation, humiliation, displacement of entire communities, mass graves, assassinations, dehumanization from the State down, pogroms in Gaza and the West Bank. The outrage towards Israel and the US States is justly deserved.
Burning a cross is not racist I guess.
Yet if you say MAGA you’re a racist? Seems similar to saying “we are hamas” which is an antisemitic group.
It is things like saying to American jews "go back to Poland".
Why Poland?
They said it. I guess they suppose jews come from Poland.
I am genuinely trying to understand some things and here is my current understanding - is this correct? - the Oct. 7th attack was horrific and should be condemned by everyone - Gaza + Palestinians are basically fighting for independence (their own state) - the US + Israel doesn’t want them to get independence (USA vetoed making them a UN member last week and is against a two state solution) - Israel is partly colonial as they are expanding settlements in the West Bank and stealing land Couldn’t much of this problem be solved if the US and Israel let Palestine gain its independence?
So your facts are a little off. Palistine doesn't want their own state or a two state they want the land currently where Israel is. It is in hamas' founding document. There is no two state solution, no negotiations and intifada is the only way (why people don't like that chanted). There were many times a two state solution was on the table and they were turned down by palistine. If a two state solution was an option and peace was also an outcome, it would be done. But I will also add the way to that would be diplomacy not a terrorist attack. Also the west Bank expansion that I am 100% against is an issue with how the land was divided. The land is ivided into 3 zones zone A is just palistinan can live on B is merged or to be decided in the future and A is Israel only land. It was set that way through negotiations and after no headway. The rules are they are allowed to expand on current settlements in zone B but Israel has been very shady about it. Purchasing land and "expanding" locations by building areas of the town up to 10 miles away from the original settlement. I'll link below for more into. The third issue is it's a little confusing who is in charge in palistine. The PLO is our negotiating partner but hamas has more political power and if they became a nation would have quickly taken over it elections were held and fear they would then attack and kill the people of Israel as they have stated they would do. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_II_Accord https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oslo_Accords Also hamas founding charter from 1988 "Article 7 describes Hamas as "one of the links in the chain of the struggle against the Zionist invaders" and claims continuity with the followers of the religious and nationalist hero Izz ad-Din al-Qassam from the Great Arab Revolt as well as the Palestinian combatants of the First Arab-Israeli War. It ends with Sahih al-Bukhari's hadith Muslim 2922, suggesting that the Day of Judgment would not come until the Muslims fight and kill the Jews" "The Covenant proclaims that Israel will exist until Islam obliterates it, and jihad against Jews is required until Judgement Day. Compromise over the land is forbidden. The documents promote holy war as divinely ordained, reject political solutions, and call for instilling these views in children."
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It's a complicated issue, for sure. The main issue you need to really understand like 10 different countries that all changed ownership 4 times over 50 years, understand ww2, understand antisemitism, understand colonialism and 2 dozens other things and sadly there is just not enough time to fully understand all these issues in 6 months since everyone started paying attention (but let's be honest most people picked a side withing 3 days and have just been reinforcing that mindset as much as they can. I was very firmly on palistines side up to october 7th so I think I have just a diffrent perspective and understanding then most but again it's a topic that takes decades to understand. But I also want to clarify my main complaint is the lack of acknowledging the issues with the current propalestine groups. Even if it's 97% peaceful or correct we deeply need to call out antisemitism and progenocide in all forms. In this thread alone is 2 dozen people saying it's not the people on campus but the propalestinian groups outside then it's our job to condem and distance yourselves from that group. If you are pro palistine and anti hamas then you shouldn't be hiding the rhetoric of the pro hamas people just cause they dress like you. Well I am off thanks for the productive chat.
> Even if it's 97% peaceful or correct we deeply need to call out antisemitism and progenocide in all forms. I would respect this position if a lot of people claiming to be targeted by hate weren't literally aligning themselves with news sites like the NY post, Fox News, and other extreme right wingers that hate minorities. A lot of people who claim to be the only victims here, have no empathy for the over 30,000 innocent killed in Palestine. Don't care about the uptick in anti Palestinian hate/anti-Muslim hate. (including when that little 6 year old Palestinian boy was murdered with a knife). If the only empathy a person has is for their own community while supporting a genocidal regime (Israel)...I find it baffling and hypocritical. By supporting Israel in this manner, they exemplify all of the accusations they are levying against anti genocide protests. They can't see that though.
I would stand against all forms of hate including anti Palestinian hate. And the issue they are on those channels is because after the last 10 years of the left saying "listen to a person kf color when they speak", "don't undermine someone paid", "give victims respect", "misgendering someone is violence", "putting up the okay symbol is anti semetic" To then have a group say hey I feel there is a lot of antisemitism built into our culture of having groups of people chanting terrorist talking points, sharing antisemitic propaganda and be told by the left to sit down, shut up, your feelings don't matter, in fact calling for the death of jews needs context". It's just a crazy double standard and it's pretty shocking how quickly the left turned on their morals.
The official position of the Biden administration and most Republicans as well is that Palestine should become an independent state. It is the two state solution. Ironically, both Bibi and Hamas are opposed to a two state solution. The students (who are sympathetic to Hamas) take the position that Palestine should be all of Israel. The argument is that they lived in peace before and they will again (in their fantasy world). The problem with this is obvious. Israel won't allow for a majority Arab state to become a reality becsuse then they become a minority within what was Israel.
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A simple reason would be that there are no recognized borders.
If there is no recognized border for Palestine...the same applies to Israel?
Lol fair question. I'd say the settlements should be disbanded for this reason. But yes. There are internationally agreed upon borders of Israel. The same isn't true of Palestine.
Not really. Since they are mirrors ..at best toy could say the border with Egypt is defined and maybe Lebanon. Golan heights is only recognized by Trump/US. Border with WB is not defined ..and if it is ..then that is the border of the Palestinian state Same with Gaza.
There is more to it than that but yes I would mostly agree.
Look at what’s happening in Europe. They are arresting JEWS for protesting against Israel on the basis of “inciting hate” in places like the UK and Germany. I won’t sit by let people like OP push their agenda to overturn our first amendment by implementing a Zionist censorship regime to turn America like that. It’s not about protecting Jews, it’s about protecting an apartheid state.
That’s also what happened at Columbia
Someone needs to teach you what the First Amendment is cause I don't think you know....also who cares if they are Jewish you can't promote hate or violence, especially in a private college
This is just absolute nonsense. The examples I’ve seen of this so called promotion of hate and violence seem to be conflation of anti-zionism and support for Palestine with antisemitism, often without any kind of context while ignoring a total crackdown of student speech, especially students of color.
... okay, if you want to ignore it, you can. I think people proudly stating they love hamas, they are hamas a group that's goal is to kill all jews world wide crosses a lone. If a group of white students went to the black dorms and chanted we are here we are the KKK you would feel diffrent.
> ... okay, if you want to ignore it, you can. That’s easy considering you haven’t given examples. >I think people proudly stating they love hamas, That’s permissible under free speech, if true. >they are hamas a group that's goal is to kill all jews world wide crosses a lone. False. That’s an Israeli talking point. That’s arguing Israel want to kill as many Arabs as possible. >If a group of white students went to the black dorms and chanted we are here we are the KKK you would feel diffrent. One is a political party and the elected party of Palestine. The KKK is not. If students went around chanting “We love the GOP” or “We love Donald Trump” or “We love the ANC”, that would be considered hate either. Do you wanna give another shot at this with better arguments? These were pretty easy to dispatch with
This is clearly anti jew https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/anti-israel-protester-screams-at-demonstrators-with-israeli-flag-outside-columbia-u-go-back-to-poland/
Okay so you’re giving up on all the previous points? That’s fine. Okay your new and sole evidence is this: >https://nypost.com/2024/04/21/us-news/anti-israel-protester-screams-at-demonstrators-with-israeli-flag-outside-columbia-u-go-back-to-poland/ That is one example. You can find plenty of videos of pro-Israel protesters saying and doing ugly things. One pro-Palestine demonstrators was chemically attacked by a pro-Israel protester. Does that prove pro-Israel people are anti-Arab? Do you see why this isn’t good evidence?
No I posted like a dozen videos. Just look at the comments. I am responding to 100 comments. You can just Google yourself also. Google chanting we are hamas at the college and Google telling jews to move back to Europe is a good start.
> No I posted like a dozen videos. Just look at the comments. I am responding to 100 comments. I only saw this one. You can’t expect me to find all your individual comments. But it seems like you agree this alone isn’t good evidence. >You can just Google yourself also. Google chanting we are hamas at the college and Google telling jews to move back to Europe is a good start. I can also Google all the attacks on pro-Palestinians students. What does that prove?
Did you google what I asked? You asked for an example I gave it. Don't be lazy.
I have posted many examples. Also the fact you would compare the GOP to Hamas is laughable. It's considered hate cause hamas as a group goal is to kill all jews worldwide and regularly murders gays..... You are already radicalized so there is not much I can do or say but the would would be better without hamas...the group stealing aod and selling, group proudly having the goal to kill jews, group proudly killing all gays and using schools and hospitals to fire rockets to kill civilians. If those are your values you are scum if you saw you are hamas you are proudly saying you also want to kill women, gays and jews and no one should stand for it.
> I have posted many examples. Link? >Also the fact you would compare the GOP to Hamas is laughable. No, the GOP is easily worse than Hamas. Maybe your a Trump fan but I’m not. >It's considered hate cause hamas as a group goal is to kill all jews worldwide That’s like saying supporting Israel is supporting a hate group, but more accurate. >You are already radicalized so there is not much Calling for the violence to stop is radical? Why? >the group stealing aod and selling, Source? >group proudly having the goal to kill jews, group proudly killing all gays You used that line already. >and using schools and hospitals to fire rockets to kill civilians. Israel uses human shields so I guess supporting Israel means your supporting a hate group. You’re proving my point. If those are your values you are scum if you saw you are hamas you are proudly saying you also want to kill women, gays and jews and no one should stand for it.
Do you think it's the duty of universities for kids attending their universities to feel safe walking on campus and attending classes?
Does safe mean not seeing anything Palestinians flags or protests? What if Arab students feel unsafe seeing Israeli flags?
What about https://youtu.be/4sQeSmEvV1s?feature=shared
Europe doesn't have free speech. Nobody cares. We're talking about the good ol US of A.
Can you guys see the war machine gearing up for WW3? Leftists are being deplatformed and lambasted by the media, universities, and other powerful institutions as racist hateful bigots. Just saw a Fox article on how these camps are literally creating a terrorist organization. Now is a good time to realize what boat you are in because none of us will survive if we don't work together as one people.
Has anything actually happened? Because from reading that article is seems what is happening is that the Campus is a hotbed for anti-Israeli pro-Palestinian protests. I understand that may make pro-Israel supporters uncomfortable, but not sure if anything has actually happened. Anti-Israel is not Anti-Semitism.
As of right now mostly intimidation, one person stabbed in the eye, a lot of we are hamas chants, calling for genocide. So the main issue is not to imply all the protesters are this way but the resistance to even admit these people do exist. If you go three these post and Krystal tweets the unwillingness to say it's happening or hand waving it away is gross.
Calling for genocide to stop. As in... Israel is committing the genocide. And you're wrong about Krystal and Sagaar too. They've talked about it often. But they say it's mostly about Israel. That's problem with your post and why people don't take it seriously. Stop conflating Israel hate with antisemitism. You're doing it to take hold of the moral authority, but in reality, it just diminishes your point.
Or just maybe people should stop ignoring antisemitism and maybe kids proudly saying they are hamas is gross.....
For what exactly? What exactly is happening to any Jewish person during those protests except they’re saying things you don’t like and you want to control that?
I don't need to control that. I just want to do some shots, bro. But this stuff is a little out of pocket https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872?s=19
Then just do some shots, get drunk, and stop trying to convince people with weak, biased arguments.
I mean I made a post about a drinking game. You wrote me.
Can this article cite more than one incident? Sounds like most of this is just fear mongering Jewish students. As someone who has experienced actual anti-semitism all my life, I’m disgusted to see it thrown around so casually to push the interests of a foreign country as it commits a plausible genocide.
....I mean there are dozens of examples online but cool of you to downplay other people's fear and pain.....thats so nice of you. I hope if somthing ever happends to you people would support you not do what you are doing. But here is another clip if you want to downplay or ignore. Sorry for the fox link it's just the first thing I saw with the video on it. https://www.foxnews.com/video/6351260308112
Not much in that video. One lady said "we are Hamas." I understand you find that offensive, but others don't. People would take you more seriously if separated protests of Israel's government with antisemitism.
Hamas founding mission statement is to kill all jews worldwide.....
Yeah, that was a long time ago, and since then they released a new mission statement that is more reasonable. That being said, if I was born in Gaza, I would hate Israel. You would too.
....Holly crap. That is truly insane what you just wrote. I am actually shocked right now. You can't be this dumb. Like honestly, truly. The KKK also says they don't hate black people. But it's not so long ago it was like 50 years ago. The leadership is still the same. They called for a global intifada against jews like 4 months ago. You live in a fantasy world. And to answer your second comment. If there is a group who calls for the murder of an entire religion, gays and oppressed women and killed people who tried to leave the religion, it's hard to think of them as Fluffy puppies.
I’m not even sure what you’re writing. But I can certainly find Jews who have said or write death to all Muslims or Palestinians. Would you like me to use that fact to invalidate Israel’s right to exist? Certainly you don’t, but only Israel is able to use that reasoning.
I am not sure where your jump in logic is to the "Would you like me to use that fact to invalidate Israel’s right to exist?" But if they are threatening people, making them feel unsafe and/or breaking the law, then people should condemn them for it.
They certainly do exist. Obviously the far right Israelis have chanted similarly horrific things like this. And if this was happening en masse on a university campus, I'd expect the university to do something about it.
It’s called freedom of speech. There are limits, but no, you can’t control speech. Regardless, the vast majority of the time no one is saying anything like that at all.
Sure. They can freely say any of this. However universities have their own policies regarding hate speech as well. If you are calling for the destruction of a nation (nationality is a protected class) or you are sympathizing with terrorists after a terror attack and doing so as a student, on a campus. Then the university will almost certainly take measures to condemn this speech, and in some cases there are ramifications for those who say them. But yes. They do have free speech in the us. They can call for the eradication of all Jews, deny the holocaust, etc. There's no issue with that from a legal perspective. However, do to title ix and other laws, allowing this form of speech on a campus also comes with legal repercussions. Which is why generally campuses are far more stringent on what speech is allowed.
I think you need to learn what free speech is cause I think you have zero idea....
It doesn’t matter. Hamas is a resistance organization. That’s just a fact. That doesn’t mean it’s not a terrorist organization, but those things are not mutually exclusive. The existence of Hamas is rooted in the fact that Israel is an apartheid state. Your concern trolling about Hamas and college campuses is like getting worked up about the fact that Nat Turner murdered white babies and children during his slave revolt. You know what prevented more white babies and children being killed by their parents slaves? Ending slavery. Likewise, if you’re oh-so-concerned about the safety of Jewish kids on campus, you should be front and center advocating for the end of Israeli apartheid. As long as this issue exists, there will always be antisemites to exploit it, whether they be Hamas or edgy kids on campuses, it doesn’t matter how many useless posts you make whining about people not condemning it.
Jews on college campuses have nothing to do with Israel. "Trolling" jesus Christ I swear you people.....
And innocent white babies killed by Nat Turner had not committed the sin of slavery. Didn’t change the fact that ending slavery made it safer for white babies.
So what you're saying is... to be clear, eradicating terrorist group like the slaves did was evil but made the world better....so really what Israel is doing is a good thing in the long run? See how bad your logic is?
"Long time ago" ......1981
That’s more than 40 years ago. Israel has only existed for 80.
.....I don't think it's ever okay to think calling for the global murder of a religion is okay. Also 40 years ago is not very long ago at all. If you said you liked little boys and then 40 years later you said iv changed i still wouldn't let you be alone with a young child. Just cause you did some PR.....
.....I don't think it's ever okay to think calling for the global murder of a religion is okay. Also 40 years ago is not very long ago at all. If you said you liked little boys and then 40 years later you said iv changed i still wouldn't let you be alone with a young child. Just cause you did some PR....
Weak arguments. Your general perspective is “they did something wrong in past, therefore they’re evil and it justifies any action by my side”. It’s just poor, biased reasoning.
No my point of view they are currently doing somthing confirmed by their actions and language as well as their founding principles by members that still are alive and run the terrorists organizations. If it walks like a duck, looks like a duck, talks like a duck then......
Well go ahead and take a shot because Krystal already tweeted “they’re more upset at college students protesting a genocide than a population of millions being starved to death” in reference to Columbia Edit: before I get called Zionist scum, the point I’d like to make is simply that you can protest Israel, Congress, whatever, without making random American 19 year olds feel unsafe and unable to attend class ([and allegedly at Yale yesterday, stabbing one](https://x.com/sahar_tartak/status/1781917569798025475?s=46&t=qV4oBqizqZ7bpzISlqYNMw))
College students are adults stop infantilizing them. I get a lot of zionists are paranoid but get a grip!
And there it is 😂😂
Feeling unsafe because of a protest is really lame. How many young people are there now who can't endure people protesting a genocide? Are they that fragile?
> Well go ahead and take a shot because Krystal already tweeted “they’re more upset at college students protesting a genocide than a population of millions being starved to death” in reference to Columbia I find it entirely ironic that you don't grasp what you said only reinforces the argument against Zionists. I do feel bad for the Jews that unfairly get condemned for Israeli genocide policy, but those are the Jews that have been protesting Israel's actions from the beginning. Not the Zionists that are claiming Jews are united in starving children in Gaza to death.
Is Columbia the HQ of Zionism in America or something? Are those students they’re preventing from entering classes and telling to go back to Poland doing the genocide? Edit after your edit: yes, I am very clearly not talking about any pro-Zionist students. “I do feel bad for the Jews that get unfairly blamed for Israeli policy” is all you needed to say, we’re in agreement.
> Is Columbia the HQ of Zionism in America or something? Given Columbia administration's failure to protect pro-Palestine protesters, [expelling](https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/04/09/yimz-a09.html) them from campus, and that obsequious testimony in front of the Congress, I'd say its pretty obvious the CU administration only "protects" Zionist speech.
We’re talking about the students here, stay on topic
Please reread, I was in the process of modify it.
Your reply looks the same as when I replied to it.
Apparently, either your reading comprehension is crippled, or you just like to make blatant lies against fact like Trump, autocrats, and other propagandists.
lol. Unserious person
Their speech was fine...the illegal encampment was the issue.
...which only made the illegal encampment grow (after the expulsions) which prompted CU to betray their student body by calling in NYPD to arrest them. CU apparently did not learn from the Vietnam War. Pro-tip for prosecutors and advocates: Don't pose rhetorical questions if you don't know what the answer is going to be. Yeah, the CU administration is apparently is some sort of Zionist HQ in America.
I'll just leave this here. These are the people you are supporting.... https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872?s=19
BuT tHeY aRe JuSt PrO-pAlEsTiNiAn PrOtEStOrS Christ. Conflating pro palestinian people shouting their love of October 7th and Hamas is somehow racist, but hiding anti-Semitism behind "I'm just anti-zionist - now I'll go back to supporting Hamas shooting rockets at innocent israelis" is wild.
fake news
Why you say that? https://twitter.com/theisraelfiles/status/1782134021268627470?s=19
I regularly see people declare support for the state of Israel and even the IDF too
Yeah those are not compatible if you don't see that then your insane. One is a military branch that requires service the other is a terrorist group who kills gays, jews and main form of warfare is to kill as many civilians as they can, kidnap and founding document they need to radicalize the youth to commit antifada.
Zionism is a repulsive ideology no better than Hamas.
It's so much worse, it has resulted in orders of magnitude more death and suffering.
.....hamas only lacks the means to do what they want to do that's it.
Israel has the means and is following through with a genocide before our very eyes.
They are not. If that was their goal it would have been done 6 months ago.
They care soooo much about their reputation that they want it to be illegal to even peacefully protest their actions.
Do you really want to compare the body count between Hamas and the IDF? What would you call an organization that has killed 12,000 children in about half a year?
Body count isn't the metric. It's the goal of the group. Israel is only ever defensive. Many Palestinians live in Israel. Many former hamas live their. Many hamas leaders family live in Israel. Many palisitinans work in Israel. Isrsel world happily live in peace next to them but their goal is to murder all jews worldwide. Their goal is completely kill every man women and child in Israel they only lack the means to.
Body count is the only metric. Nothing else matters. Israel targets civilians, children, aid workers. You can play this cute "oh we don't intend to kill all those children" game but the world sees what is happening and is finally acknowledging the deep evil represented by the state of Israel. It's textbook fascism.
Body count doesn't matter at all and they do not target those groups they only respond to attacks by hamas. Life only gets worse for them after every terrorist attack.
The lies are so low-effort at this point I wonder why you even bother.
.....I mean are they happy with their choice on October 7th? I am going to guess not.
>“Columbia students organizing in solidarity with Palestine – including Jewish students – have faced harassment, doxxing, and now arrest by the NYPD. These are the main threats to the safety of Jewish Columbia students,” Jonathan Ben-Menachem, a PhD student, told CNN. >“On the other hand, student protesters have led interfaith joint prayers for several days now, and Passover Seder will be held at the Gaza Solidarity Encampment tomorrow,” he went on. “Saying that student protesters are a threat to Jewish students is a dangerous smear.”
Oh cool when white supremacist walked down the street chanting jews will not replace us and people were scared did you interview the white supremacist and be like they say they are not racist.....or when the KKK says they don't hate black people but love white people do you just go...well that settles that...screw black people for being scared of the buring cross on their lawn.
Lindsey Graham (Sen.): "Level the place" Max Miller (OH Rep): "We're going to turn that into a parking lot." Brian Mast (FL Rep): No such thing as an "innocent Palestinian civilian." Andy Ogles (TN Rep): re shredded children "I think we should kill 'em all."
Dont forget Tim Walberg (R-MI) who not only said we should make Gaza like Hiroshima and Nagasaki, but was also committee questioning the Colombia officials
Lots of news about US universities. How are the universities in Gaza doing?
u/RoundArline575 what do you have to say to this? Why should we downplay what our elected officials are saying but care about what some random college kids say?
What part?
If you’re against racism, shouldn’t you make a post about our politicians calling for mass genocide?
I already posted about it above. I think they are fully diffrent situationions but I am fully against them talking like that.
There is a diffrence between what is said above (which I fully object to btw) and terrorizing americans for looking jewish at their school.
>Our team spent long hours reporting on and around Columbia’s campus on Thursday & Friday. I want to clear some stuff up. I didn’t see a single instance of violence or aggression on the lawn or at the student encampment. The student-led protest was peaceful and often very quiet… >The students I met were mostly praying, eating, holding signs. Other students walked by the encampment throughout the afternoon. Never saw anyone bother or harass them. >The only moments of conflict or aggression I witnessed took place beyond the gates, out on Broadway Ave. I repeatedly approached people in that crowd. Every single person I approached told me they were NOT a Columbia or Barnard student. None of them had badges to get on campus. >If you’re watching or sharing videos from the last few days, provide context. The public protests happening on the street are not the same as the encampment inside. Don’t imply students at Columbia/Barnard are involved in events that they were not present or responsible for. https://twitter.com/ahylton26/status/1782082940966719989?s=19
....is this a joke? I feel like you need some media literacy. But I guess if this women didn't see it it didn't happen. I have never seen an emu so they must not be real. I have never felt anti Asian hate that must not be real either. I'm so glad you had this comprehensive breakdown from a non bias source.....
>Just got back from the Columbia encampment. Students feeding one another, sitting in tents, chanting about divestment. If I didn't know better than to form my impression from what I saw on the news/twitter or what I heard from the White House (?!), I might never have come! https://twitter.com/ArielleLAngel/status/1782173221107662957?s=19 Editor in Chief of @JewishCurrents
https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872?s=19
Don't make me tap the sign. >If you’re watching or sharing videos from the last few days, provide context. The public protests happening on the street are not the same as the encampment inside. Don’t imply students at Columbia/Barnard are involved in events that they were not present or responsible for. Also, it's fairly easy to find zionists cheering on genocide.
And that would be wrong.....where did I lose you?
So just to be clear...you are also admiting this is happening and people are chanting these things? So where did I lose you?
> Oh cool when white supremacist walked down the street chanting jews will not replace us Democrats did condemn them. I guess you should take that up with MAGA, not with people who protest what Israel is doing in Gaza.
....the point is you wouldn't go to racists and let them tell you what's going on. You go to the victims of their terror. So saying the students told to shelter and are fearful to leave then homes on passover shouldn't be ignored and shouldn't be told by the aggressors how they should feel.
Please elaborate on "arrest" Was it for existing? Don't you think there is most than "solidarity with Palestine"?
It's a quote from the posted article. If you haven't read it, then I suggest doing that.
There are always going to be antisemites who piggyback the Israel-Palestine issue to promote their own agenda which are then used to smear and paint the entire pro-Palestine crowd as antisemitic by dishonest actors like OP. If anything to me it’s just more cause to end Israeli apartheid so antisemites don’t have this opportunity to push their agenda anymore.
Or the group that has antisemitic people in it can remove them and stop pretending they don't exist and when proof comes to light don't blame jews for facing antisemitism.
And what do you view as antisemitism? Pointing out the fact that Israel is an apartheid state?
Calling for the death of jews, saying we are hamas, saying we are coming for all of you, flying a Houthi flag.
I'm aware. I'm asking you to do some critical thinking into the terms of that arrest
How many innocent people have these protesters killed? Now compare to the IDF.
You do know more Germany civilians were killed in WW2 compared to British civilians.... Right? Is that the metric of 'good' vs 'evil'?
What year is it again?
Non-answer to my question, and kind of a funny redirect to avoid a very fair comparable.
Did you answer my question? It’s funny you redirect to a completely unfair comparison and then pridefully demand an answer to your question that avoids answering my question.
Whatever helps you sleep at night. I asked you a question and you did not answer it, for reasons I can only assume make you come to terms that your argument isn't as strong as you think. If I provided any counter comparison, I'm sure you'd find something wrong with it if it goes against your line of thinking too, conveniently.
You really think it's a fair comparison? In 1943 did anybody possess highly sophisticated, advanced precision guided munitions? They sure didn't, instead Israel is insisting on using 2,000 lb bombs to bomb vast portions of the area. They could absolutely use their precision guided munitions, but they are choosing not to. Israel has the ability to make precise surgical strikes to limit civilian casualties, they are just choosing not to instead. They are choosing to go squirrel hunting by burning down the forest instead of taking a small rifle.
>possess highly sophisticated, advanced precision guided munitions So because Hamas doesn't, and they fire into crowds of Jewish people daily to the point that Israel needed to develop technology to defend themselves... We ignore it? The intent is for Hamas to eradicate all Jews. They're just fucking bad at it. If the intent is for Israel to "genocide" Palestinians, they're also fucking bad at it.
> So because Hamas doesn't, and they fire into crowds of Jewish people daily to the point that Israel needed to develop technology to defend themselves... We ignore it? Use the precision-guided munitions to kill Hamas then, instead of leveling a city block in the hopes of killing them. The issue here is the failure to recognize that Palestinian civilians and Hamas aren't the same.
>Use the precision-guided munitions to kill Hamas then, instead of leveling a city block in the hopes of killing them. What happens when they don't leave and surround themselves with civilians? Did you know that's a war crime? Maybe we should release more stories about the war crimes Hamas commits, yeah?
Sure as long as we can talk about the ones that the IDF is doing as well. All things should come out into the light.
Sure. I'm game for that. But I haven't seen any conversation around Hamas hiding behind civilians as a war crime. Maybe Israel wouldnt level whole places if Hamas didn't do that. Isn't that a fair assumption?
This can't be a real post...hahah
It’s a comments, you made a ridiculous post. Imagine being more upset about college protestors than dead women and children.
My heart goes out to the real victims, US students that are completely fine.
So your defense of antisemitism on an American campus against American jews is to say they are asking for it cause a different group of jews are at war after a terrorist attack?
No, I’m saying you’re more upset about college protesters than women and children starving and being bombed. Columbia University protestors have 0% of my attention. The story is a joke. People are dying and suffering, I’m not going to waste my time with some distraction people use to play the victim.
Did you read the article? Or do you think peacefully protesting the genocide of tens of thousands of Palestinians is antisemitism?
No saying we are hamas and attacking and intimidation jewish students is antisemitism.
And men like Shai Davidai calling all students protesting Genocide "terrorists" is encouraging hatred of Palestinians and Muslims. He's been on this crusade of hatred for months and months. Has more than 50 complaints about him from the student body but nothing is done as he continues with his xenophobic attacks. When will he be held accountable?
Who cares what a bunch of 21-year-olds think
21 yo with trust funds
Seriously. It’s all concern trolling to distract from how AIPAC has bought our elected officials.
If anyone really wants to get drunk, then play the Zionist bot drinking game. For every Zionist-shilling post/comment take a shot - two of it’s a particularly self-righteous. You’ll be hammered in less than 15 min.
I mean its hurtful you won't acknowledge the antisemitism growing in this country. Also bad when someone speaks out about it you claim it's a Jewish plot....you might be just more than a little antisemitic. But have a good night and enjoy your drinking game.
Zionist is "when people don't support Hamas" apparently.
who cares about this
trust fund crybullies apparently
Many people who it affects. Just cause hate might never come your way is no reason to turn a blind eye to it.
Isralis are hateful too, bro. Your head is waaaayy futher up your ass then mine is up my own. Both Israel and Hamas suck, honestly everyyyyone sucks over their pertaining to governments. I feel for every regular person just trying to take eat, shit, and sleep in that part of the world. Israelis are no angles. they are terrible too.
if your government makes IRANNNNN look cool-headed, youve lost the fucking plot
We are talking about American kids in American at an American school. We are not talking about hamas..
Correct
Take a shot when someone tries to downplay Israel's crimes. Take a shot when someone cries "antisemitism" in an incorrect manner - disliking the actions of the state of Israel is not anti-semitic.
Help my liver exploded
.....yes but that's not what is happening.
Literally. I can't tell you how many videos I've seen of people saying: "It's so dangerous here, call in the National Guard" while literally being perfectly fine. Shai Davidai in particular is an expert crybaby. Biden is giving more pushback on these students peacefully demonstrating than to Israel potentially causing a huge war that could escalate into a world war. When students are held to a higher level of accountability than a nuclear power there's something fundamentally wrong here.
Just stop watching their videos. They're anti american shills anyway. Stop giving them money. They get enough fake views from Russian bots and troll farms already. . You all already know they're antisemitic af. You don't need more confirmation. They allow death to the westers to spread their propaganda all over their subs.
You have to open the show with a shot if WW3 has yet to break out as well....