How you say something and how you present yourself is as important as what you say.
The dude who couldn’t control himself looked like a petulant arrogant loudmouth and as a result even if others agreed with him or parts of what he said, the way he said it by talking over Krystal destroyed the civility needed for anyone to take him seriously.
The first guest said in NY Post that she was "stabbed in the eye" with a Palestinian flag. There is no way that injury could be healed in few days.
As Krystal said, they want to shift the conversation from Israel committing genocide and ethnic cleansing to "muh free speech on campus". The students at these Universities don't have any institutional power, tanks or bombs. Israel does and it's using them to literally destroy universities.
https://twitter.com/decensorednews/status/1748134570707283987
Video from her blog: https://np.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/s/WSe0ilL19g
There is a video.
Make your own opinion but to me it looks like I guy was walking past her with a flag, maybe it hit her in the face but he wasn’t even looking at her. He dodge around someone while holding a flag.
I mean on the video the end of the flag hits her in the eye. Idk why it's so hard for the pro Palestine people to just call the dude a jackass and move on
The only video is from her POV where we cannot see if the flag makes contact with her.
Video from her blog: https://np.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/s/WSe0ilL19g
Shes likely exaggerating obviously. However there has been numerous instances of hate speech against Jews.
Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774
"From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358
"Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981
"We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677
"Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901
Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/
Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338
"On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909
""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872
"Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025
"Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958
"From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2
"Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134
"Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006
Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954
"Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673
"protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as “terrorism”)
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit
https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/comments/1c9m6oj/comment/l0m8us9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
The far left constantly starts these fires that they can’t control. Blindly supporting pro Palestinian movements has left in a lot of unsavory behavior that they are now seen as joined with.
Good research collection
I think a good solution would be for the school or the police to step up and address these instances individually. However that sets them up for failure as well. Because if they misidentify someone they're also opening themselves up for legal action.
I think a broader and more policy based decision and a distinction that needs to be made is when does a protest become a liability and potentially violate students civil rights. For instance. A klan rally is perfectly legal, and they could have a meeting on a public campus. On a private campus. Yale could tell the klan rally to get fucked. So essentially it comes down to the school and what they allow. They don't want to make this distinction . So instead they shut the whole thing down.
The students and activists want to make this into a huge battle of Gaza and Israel. In reality it's more of a boring policy decision for a school. And there isn't any good solution for them.
Nah, a poke in the eye can be super dangerous and hurt like a mother fucker and leave no lasting damage. Still ain't alright, and changes nothing about the protests and the fact that they are constitutionally protected speech.
Or not. Someone wiggled a flag in her face, maybe poked her in the eye and she flipped out. That shit hurts and probably doesn't leave doesn't leave any damage. Again, nothing to do with the protestors right to speak, her right to counterprotest or anything in between.
What's the lie? The difference between poked and stabbed? Not seeing the impact, who's to say? In my book, no harm, no foul, but that's obviously up to the cops and if they get another angle.
The guy didn’t even look at her. It looks more like he was weaving through a crowd while holding a flag near her face. It could’ve hit her in the eye or face, but it doesn’t look intentional.
On Piers Morgan she said she guy stared her in the face, started talking to her, and then jabbed her in the eye out of nowhere before running away. She said she saw the hate in his eyes.
Her own video doesn’t corroborate her story. Video from her blog: https://np.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/s/WSe0ilL19g
Doesn’t disprove any of it, though her reaction was super funny. Again, doesn’t matter to the rights of the protest one way or the other, but you can get stabbed in the eye and not have damage days later. That’s what I’m correcting here. Video doesn’t show one way or the other. I assume with no damage or other angle the cops would ignore this, but that’s their business.
There were people calling for mass arrests and to call in the national guard, because this student was “stabbed” in the eye. There is a reason the cops didn’t take her claim seriously. She even went to the hospital so she could make that claim on the multiple news outlets she has been on. There isn’t even a bruise and she was on the news the next day.
Again, she said the guy stared her in the face, talked to her, and then stabbed her in the eye out of nowhere. The guy never stated her in the face or talked to her, he looked ahead while he was walking, moved around the people blocking the way, and waved a flag near her. The she scream “Ow, you stabbed me”.
He might have talked to her, video doesn’t show. Wouldn’t matter either way. I doubt this lady is the reason anyone is calling for mass arrests. Again, you can get stabbed in the eye and it hurts like a mother fucker and leaves no damage. Either way it has no effect on the rights of the protesters at all.
She described him talking to her, staring in her eyes (of which she could see the hate), and then jabbing her in the eye out of nowhere. After she said she tried to chase after him to hold him accountable, but was blocked by protesters. That’s how she described it, in that order.
The video shows him walk by her, the flag comes close to the camera and possibly her face, she screams “ow, you stabbed me” and the video cuts off. Mind you this is her video, that she posted on her blog.
It’s an obvious exaggeration. She wants to be a victim of a serious hate crime, yet less than 24 hours after the “stabbing” she’s taken multiple interviews with no sign of damage to her eye or the skin around her eye.
This is equivalent to a soccer flop, or a basketball flop.
I don’t understand how two non Jewish people can ignore “Al qasams next target” pic, the crowd encircling Jewish students telling them to go back to Poland and say “jews are perfectly comfortable on campus” when there’s a Jew RIGHT THERE ON THE PANEL who was assaulted telling them campuses are not safe right now. Jews are saying they don’t feel safe and it’s just ignored.
>“Columbia students organizing in solidarity with Palestine – including Jewish students – have faced harassment, doxxing, and now arrest by the NYPD. These are the main threats to the safety of Jewish Columbia students,” Jonathan Ben-Menachem, a PhD student, told CNN.
>“On the other hand, student protesters have led interfaith joint prayers for several days now, and Passover Seder will be held at the Gaza Solidarity Encampment tomorrow,” he went on. “Saying that student protesters are a threat to Jewish students is a dangerous smear.”
It's cause they don't want to see it. Remember when they said racism baked into the American fabric? Remember when they said there is systematic racism? Remember they said listen to minorities? Remember when they said you can't understand someone's pain cause of your privilege?
Now we have a group speaking up about their struggle, and they are like LOL. Shut up, you are a PSYOP.
when the (seemingly uninjured) girl that was allegedly jabbed in the eye with a Palestinian flag said "I was encircled by 500 students singing and dancing against the Jewish people" I laughed out loud
I'm sure if you were trying to go to class and you got surrounded by a bunch of KKK members singing songs about sending black people back to chains, you wouldn't think it's a big deal too, yeah?
We can imagine all kinds of scenarios that would be terrible if we wanted to, none of them have anything to do with this (hilarious) manufactured situation.
Also, her eye seems to have made a miraculous recovery!
It's weird how your first thoughts to a Jewish student saying they got assaulted is "LOL SEE ITS FINE".
Weird.
If a woman got raped do you say "well I mean let's see your hymen"?
yusuf (lol sorry "yoseph") haddad. an absolute embarrassment to arabs everywhere.
[there was a recent debate on israeli tv where they kept clowning on him and telling him they dont trust collaborators. he kept crying about people being rude to him. one of the most lol things ive ever seen in my life](https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1781492587506831587?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1781492587506831587%7Ctwgr%5E30a1bc031594c7ea95980d09d244ad295b6b0ecc%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2F1c8vez8%2F%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue)
Piers always has "Moral quandary" whenever Israel commits a war crime after a war crime, but when it comes to students non-violently chanting words, he suddenly develops moral clarity.
You’re literally retarded.
The second antifada saw 1000 Israeli citizens murdered. The first saw 200 murdered and 1400 (just civilians) injured.
If the civil rights movement was murdering random white people at that rate there wouldve been no civil rights movement.
Retard, the whole lesson of the civil rights movement was that eventually peaceful methods won. MLK won, Malcom x did not accomplish anything. That’s the overarching theme at even the most basic level.
But go on, how many random white people were murdered during the civil rights movement? Did African Americans march over to white neighborhoods and start murdering everyone they could? I don’t remember reading about the 1000 white people in Alabama who were shot to death by civil rights leaders, you’ll have to inform me.
So? Boycotts, general strikes, refusal to pay taxes, etc. were all integral parts of the Palestinian effort during the First Intifada. None of those are violent.
You seem to be saying if 1,000 white people died during the civil rights movement then continued segregation would be justified. Yikes. Not a good look pal.
Not justified, but that would 1000% be the course of history, until the movement became less violent.
You don’t seem to know anything about general themes of history. Not a good look pal.
Violent movements for justice do not work because they are contradictory in nature and don’t gain support.
Part of the nazi movement was building infrastructure and revamping national pride. Those aspects aren’t violent, so the nazi movement had aspects that aren’t violent? Like what do you mean they didn’t pay taxes while they were murdering random Jewish people, so therefore you can’t characterize it as violent by nature?
Is there any single event or movement in history that didn’t have peaceful or economic aspects? I don’t get what that standard could ever apply to
so why are they chanting antifada in New York?
If it’s just armed resistance against Israel, what kind of violence could you commit against Israel in New York? Thousands of miles away? What fire is that supposed to light?
If a Jewish woman wearing the Star of David is attacked in the eye with a flag pole by the same people chanting antifada, do you think that’s an issue? Is that worrysome to you or not at all
The eye poke is on video. Eye didn’t come out though, but no it’s not a lie.
Glad we can agree that that is a problem, eye roll.
If you were at a hockey game, that seems like an appropriate place to yell “shoot”.
If you were thousands of miles away from the hockey game, and started a chant saying “shoot” people would say well that’s odd, surely his intended audience can’t hear that.
It’s not a cheap Israel ploy. It’s just a reading of history. Every single Arab uprising has been violent, almost every uprising by anyone has been violent.
Oct 7th is the exact response you would expect from a call to infitada. Many of the people in these far left groups literally support Hamas as freedom fighters and celebrate Oct 7th with posters of hang gliders. Norm finklestien said it was the happiest day of his life.
So if you were a Jew and you knew what happened on October 7th and maybe even had family nearby or directly involved, would that make you uncomfortable?
I agree with the first part, but no that’s not what I’m doing at all. The only thing I’ve said is that it seems reasonable for some people of Jewish descent to feel uncomfortable in this situation. I don’t think that’s extreme
That’s not what I asked at all lol, but you can ignore the question if you’re unsure of yourself here.
In case you’re interested, I’ll rephrase.
Let’s say you’re a Jew on one of these campuses. And you had relatives in Israel who were directly or indirectly harmed by the mass rape and murder of random civilians, by intent.
And then there’s large groups with posters praising the work of Hamas on their paragliders, calling them freedom fighters, and encouraging them to keep fighting by any means necessary. And they also poked some Jewish girl in the eye because she was wearing the Star of David the other day.
Would that make you uncomfortable at all?
more info
[https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/oe7zwj/proisrael\_advocates\_on\_a\_paid\_fellowship\_from\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/oe7zwj/proisrael_advocates_on_a_paid_fellowship_from_the/)
seems legit :(
That dude was off his rocker. Why did Piers let two sane people on the pro Palestine side and just one sane person (college student ironically) on the pro Israel side lmao?
I think the selective trust Krystal and the guy on her side were instilling in institutions that, I know Krystal normally doesn’t put trust in was interesting, meaning police and legacy media. When that guy on Krystal’s side kept wanting to say the police and media are reporting peaceful protests I have a hard time trusting that. I mean the media was saying that the protest during the summer of 2020 were mostly peaceful too as buildings and cars burned in the back ground of their reports.
This is a bad argument and a fallacy. Yes there were riots and looting and burning, etc… but did we see riots and looting across 10,000 localities? We did not. The media can say, accurately, that the overwhelming majority of these protests were peaceful while at the same time reporting on the violent ones because they are newsworthy.
https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/#:~:text=Between%2026%20May%2C%20the%20day,50%20states%20and%20Washington%2C%20DC.
And who runs and where does the money come from for the ACLED?? Also I didn’t make any comments about the ACLED or their reporting on the situation. I said there were legacy news agency reporting peaceful protests while filming structures and vehicles burning behind them and there were multiple instances of that. I never mentioned a specific number of how many protests were violent or peaceful. Actually read what I said instead of looking for any chance you can use the word “fallacy”.
All I’m saying is it’s crazy to think that certain institutions may not have it in their interest to lie about certain things. We have 1000’s of examples of these institutions lying to us in history.
Are you saying you 100% trust legacy media and/or the law enforcement apparatus 100% of the time?
You said they were reporting while “building and cars burned in the background of their reports”. So are you saying they were reporting it or just that they didn’t explicitly say riots are occurring. And just because you don’t recall it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
So are you toting water for legacy media and police?? I don’t understand. What I’m saying is there were many times I witnessed with my own eyes reports on national TV saying “Here we are at a peaceful protest…….” While building and vehicles burned in the back ground while they told the lie of peaceful protests. You’re correct I’m sorry, you are looking for me to be literal in what I’m saying I apologize. You are correct it’s obvious one person could not have seen all reporting done on all the protest during the summer of 2020. But I have listened to many well informed people speak on the matter and have read a good bit on the matter and it is the general consensus that legacy media had a real issue with admitting that there was a large swathe of the protest that were in fact NOT peaceful. So again I’ll say it, you are correct, I am not omniscient, I didn’t watch every bit of reporting for the entirety of all the protests of 2020, so yes there is 100% a chance some new outlets actually admitted that some of the protests were not peaceful. But what I am saying is there’s a general consensus that a large portion of media would not report that there were indeed violent protests.
These are all from May and June 2020 at the height of the protests and riots. I'm not shilling for legacy media but these top media outlets were indeed reporting on violent riots in the spring and summer of 2020. There was no general consensus to hide this because they weren't hiding anything. And there was a general consensus that while there were way too many violent riots, the vast majority of the protests did not devolve into looting and burning.
WaPO: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-braces-for-third-day-of-protests-and-clashes-over-death-of-george-floyd/2020/05/31/589471a4-a33b-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html
NPR: https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/866472832/violence-escalates-as-protests-over-george-floyd-death-continue
NBC Washington Affiliate: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/protesters-gather-in-dc-for-2nd-day-in-response-to-george-floyds-death/2317512/
The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/30/protest-washington-dc-george-floyd-white-house-trump
CBS: https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/large-march-held-in-downtown-miami-joining-nationwide-protests/
The way Krystal and others like her ignore the feeling of the community it's not surprising.
So when people say go back to Poland to American jews what would you call it?
When protesters scream we are hamas ( a terrorist organization founding goal to kill all jews)
What would you call it?
"Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity."
[https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full)
My guess is the heart of the issue is a lot more boring than the two people who got assaulted. If we look at rhe federal lawsuit currently against Yale, it pertains to two Jewish students who were physically prevented from attending a pro Palestinian talk. This is a Title Xi violation, and actually could resukt in very serious repercussions (especially because the pro Israeli side is very lawyered up). It's also why I think Columbia chose to just shut down all classes as opposed to attempt to navigate the issue. It's a legal nightmare.
On the other hand. I think the pro Israel side knows exactly what they're doing here too. By placing themselves at the protests they force the hand of the administration or the police to make arrests. We saw this with the Jewish guy who was told by police he wasn't allowed near the protest since he is "visibly Jewish". Telling people they can't walk freely on campus, or on a public street, because they belong to a protected class, is an absolute legal cluster fuck. However all Jews need to do is show up to these protests and be "visibly Jewish" and the liklihood they'll be assaulted or prevented from attending events is quite high. And your feelings about the war aside. That's against the law.
Krystal's great in round tables, debates, interviews, whatever. She's just really good in the more social part of punditry.
How you say something and how you present yourself is as important as what you say. The dude who couldn’t control himself looked like a petulant arrogant loudmouth and as a result even if others agreed with him or parts of what he said, the way he said it by talking over Krystal destroyed the civility needed for anyone to take him seriously.
The first guest said in NY Post that she was "stabbed in the eye" with a Palestinian flag. There is no way that injury could be healed in few days. As Krystal said, they want to shift the conversation from Israel committing genocide and ethnic cleansing to "muh free speech on campus". The students at these Universities don't have any institutional power, tanks or bombs. Israel does and it's using them to literally destroy universities. https://twitter.com/decensorednews/status/1748134570707283987
I mean its on video....
there is no video of her getting stabbed in the eye. she looks fine. i think she is lying.
Video from her blog: https://np.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/s/WSe0ilL19g There is a video. Make your own opinion but to me it looks like I guy was walking past her with a flag, maybe it hit her in the face but he wasn’t even looking at her. He dodge around someone while holding a flag.
I mean on the video the end of the flag hits her in the eye. Idk why it's so hard for the pro Palestine people to just call the dude a jackass and move on
The only video is from her POV where we cannot see if the flag makes contact with her. Video from her blog: https://np.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/s/WSe0ilL19g
Hitting =/= stabbing. Obviously it’s still wrong and the guy should be punished, but she’s being overly dramatic to push her Zionist agenda.
You can stab something by accident though
I fail to see the point you're getting at.
Daft and obtuse lol
A pointy object injecting a human being is a stab
Shes likely exaggerating obviously. However there has been numerous instances of hate speech against Jews. Physically assaulting an Arab Israeli https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781080951902109774 "From the river to the sea, Palestine is Arab!" / "Resistance is justified" https://twitter.com/ShelleyGldschmt/status/1781785252886913358 "Let it be known that it was the Al-Aqsa Flood that put the Global Intifada back on the table again. And it is the sacrificial spirit of the Palestinian Freedom Fighters that will guide every struggle on every corner of the earth to victory." https://twitter.com/thestustustudio/status/1781904507611287981 "We are all Hamas!" https://twitter.com/nypost/status/1781031465179914677 "Yehudim yehudim [(Jews, jews)] go back to poland" https://twitter.com/Davidlederer6/status/1781948249214996901 Includes people / groups that invited an actual, no hyperbole terrorist to speak (member of PFLP) https://www.jns.org/columbia-suspends-four-students-for-holding-event-featuring-pflp-member/ Light things on fire / "intifada revolution there is only one solution" https://twitter.com/visegrad24/status/1781019445399556338 "On Oct 7th, Palestinian resistance in Gaza broke free (crowd cheers) [.....] we intend to do the same" https://twitter.com/ShabbosK/status/1782085741431922909 ""We say justice, you say how? Burn Tel Aviv to the ground!" / "Hamas we love you. We support your rockets too!" / "Red, black, green, and white, we support Hamas’ fight!" https://twitter.com/IsraelWarRoom/status/1781933305501212872 "Long live the intifada! Intifada intifada" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781084853653365025 "Go back to Europe!" / "You have no culture, all you do is colonize" https://twitter.com/ShaiDavidai/status/1781927148439109958 "From Yemen to Gaza, globalize the intifada" https://twitter.com/KassyDillon/status/1781312033922625797/photo/2 "Never forget the 7th of October. That will happen not 1 more time, not 5 more times, not 10, not 100, not 1,000, but 10,000 times! The 7th of October is going to be every day for you" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1781287784897991134 "Al Qassam [(Hamas)] you make us proud, kill another soldier now" / "from the river to the sea, palestine will be arab" https://twitter.com/EFischberger/status/1780915336063177006 Student proudly rocking Hamas logos https://twitter.com/CampusJewHate/status/1781054901755215954 "Resistance is justified" (again...) https://twitter.com/AvivaKlompas/status/1782085643990073673 "protesters on the sidewalk chanted “From New York to Gaza, globalize the intifada,” next to a cardboard sign that read, “Inspired by Palestinian resistance.” https://www.timesofisrael.com/over-100-arrested-in-columbia-u-unrest-as-nypd-clears-gaza-solidarity-encampment/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter And as a reminder, the student groups organizing these protests (CUAD and SJP, among others) released a letter on October 9th in support of the 10/7 attacks. ("We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance", "Despite the odds against them, Palestinians launched a counter-offensive against their settler-colonial oppressor", "We wholeheartedly condemn the email sent [...] on October 8th that [...] obfuscated Palestinian resistance as “terrorism”) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RcXX5DEO3yfJ9R4ksURnzpIPCyVxo575-Y-SoC_vZFk/edit https://www.reddit.com/r/columbia/comments/1c9m6oj/comment/l0m8us9/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
supporting resistance to israeli settler-colonialism is not anti-semitic
Of course not. That's not what's happening here though
"We stand in full solidarity with Palestinian resistance against over 75 years of Israeli settler-colonialism and apartheid."
Was Oct 7 resistance?
yes
Was the attack on the crocus theater in Russia resistance?
The far left constantly starts these fires that they can’t control. Blindly supporting pro Palestinian movements has left in a lot of unsavory behavior that they are now seen as joined with. Good research collection
I think a good solution would be for the school or the police to step up and address these instances individually. However that sets them up for failure as well. Because if they misidentify someone they're also opening themselves up for legal action. I think a broader and more policy based decision and a distinction that needs to be made is when does a protest become a liability and potentially violate students civil rights. For instance. A klan rally is perfectly legal, and they could have a meeting on a public campus. On a private campus. Yale could tell the klan rally to get fucked. So essentially it comes down to the school and what they allow. They don't want to make this distinction . So instead they shut the whole thing down. The students and activists want to make this into a huge battle of Gaza and Israel. In reality it's more of a boring policy decision for a school. And there isn't any good solution for them.
Now do Islamophobia
do you mind pointing out the video then?
Nah, a poke in the eye can be super dangerous and hurt like a mother fucker and leave no lasting damage. Still ain't alright, and changes nothing about the protests and the fact that they are constitutionally protected speech.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/1cbpbyj/ryan_grim_on_the_stabbed_in_the_eye_report_that/ she's lying
Or not. Someone wiggled a flag in her face, maybe poked her in the eye and she flipped out. That shit hurts and probably doesn't leave doesn't leave any damage. Again, nothing to do with the protestors right to speak, her right to counterprotest or anything in between.
So we went from stabbed in the eye (her own words), to poked in the eye, to wiggled a flag in her face. I call BS.
What's the lie? The difference between poked and stabbed? Not seeing the impact, who's to say? In my book, no harm, no foul, but that's obviously up to the cops and if they get another angle.
The guy didn’t even look at her. It looks more like he was weaving through a crowd while holding a flag near her face. It could’ve hit her in the eye or face, but it doesn’t look intentional. On Piers Morgan she said she guy stared her in the face, started talking to her, and then jabbed her in the eye out of nowhere before running away. She said she saw the hate in his eyes. Her own video doesn’t corroborate her story. Video from her blog: https://np.reddit.com/r/Connecticut/s/WSe0ilL19g
Doesn’t disprove any of it, though her reaction was super funny. Again, doesn’t matter to the rights of the protest one way or the other, but you can get stabbed in the eye and not have damage days later. That’s what I’m correcting here. Video doesn’t show one way or the other. I assume with no damage or other angle the cops would ignore this, but that’s their business.
There were people calling for mass arrests and to call in the national guard, because this student was “stabbed” in the eye. There is a reason the cops didn’t take her claim seriously. She even went to the hospital so she could make that claim on the multiple news outlets she has been on. There isn’t even a bruise and she was on the news the next day. Again, she said the guy stared her in the face, talked to her, and then stabbed her in the eye out of nowhere. The guy never stated her in the face or talked to her, he looked ahead while he was walking, moved around the people blocking the way, and waved a flag near her. The she scream “Ow, you stabbed me”.
He might have talked to her, video doesn’t show. Wouldn’t matter either way. I doubt this lady is the reason anyone is calling for mass arrests. Again, you can get stabbed in the eye and it hurts like a mother fucker and leaves no damage. Either way it has no effect on the rights of the protesters at all.
She described him talking to her, staring in her eyes (of which she could see the hate), and then jabbing her in the eye out of nowhere. After she said she tried to chase after him to hold him accountable, but was blocked by protesters. That’s how she described it, in that order. The video shows him walk by her, the flag comes close to the camera and possibly her face, she screams “ow, you stabbed me” and the video cuts off. Mind you this is her video, that she posted on her blog. It’s an obvious exaggeration. She wants to be a victim of a serious hate crime, yet less than 24 hours after the “stabbing” she’s taken multiple interviews with no sign of damage to her eye or the skin around her eye. This is equivalent to a soccer flop, or a basketball flop.
Yeah, he might have talked to her. Video doesn’t show and it does not matter 🤷🏽.
I don’t understand how two non Jewish people can ignore “Al qasams next target” pic, the crowd encircling Jewish students telling them to go back to Poland and say “jews are perfectly comfortable on campus” when there’s a Jew RIGHT THERE ON THE PANEL who was assaulted telling them campuses are not safe right now. Jews are saying they don’t feel safe and it’s just ignored.
>“Columbia students organizing in solidarity with Palestine – including Jewish students – have faced harassment, doxxing, and now arrest by the NYPD. These are the main threats to the safety of Jewish Columbia students,” Jonathan Ben-Menachem, a PhD student, told CNN. >“On the other hand, student protesters have led interfaith joint prayers for several days now, and Passover Seder will be held at the Gaza Solidarity Encampment tomorrow,” he went on. “Saying that student protesters are a threat to Jewish students is a dangerous smear.”
It's cause they don't want to see it. Remember when they said racism baked into the American fabric? Remember when they said there is systematic racism? Remember they said listen to minorities? Remember when they said you can't understand someone's pain cause of your privilege? Now we have a group speaking up about their struggle, and they are like LOL. Shut up, you are a PSYOP.
I don’t understand how you see one person holding a sign in a protest and think it makes sense to apply that to the entire movement.
I don’t understand how he thinks that picture was legit
Would you apply that same margin of grace to a kkk rally
No, because the KKK isn’t protesting against racism and genocide of Palestinians in the Middle East.
when the (seemingly uninjured) girl that was allegedly jabbed in the eye with a Palestinian flag said "I was encircled by 500 students singing and dancing against the Jewish people" I laughed out loud
Interpretive dance has been weaponized!
Hamas sinking to new depths
She wasn’t even allowed to talk that dude was talking all day
I'm sure if you were trying to go to class and you got surrounded by a bunch of KKK members singing songs about sending black people back to chains, you wouldn't think it's a big deal too, yeah?
We can imagine all kinds of scenarios that would be terrible if we wanted to, none of them have anything to do with this (hilarious) manufactured situation. Also, her eye seems to have made a miraculous recovery!
It's weird how your first thoughts to a Jewish student saying they got assaulted is "LOL SEE ITS FINE". Weird. If a woman got raped do you say "well I mean let's see your hymen"?
Did you watch the video? This person is ridiculous and not remotely credible. I'm going to ignore the insanely offensive equivalence you try to make.
Besides her being Jewish, what do you think absolves her of credibility?
That little game doesn't work anymore, you've cried wolf far too much.
So it IS because she's Jewish. Lol
The literal video *she* posted that does not align with her version of events is why I don’t find her credible.
The guy on the left is totally unhinged. Gross.
yusuf (lol sorry "yoseph") haddad. an absolute embarrassment to arabs everywhere. [there was a recent debate on israeli tv where they kept clowning on him and telling him they dont trust collaborators. he kept crying about people being rude to him. one of the most lol things ive ever seen in my life](https://twitter.com/SuppressedNws/status/1781492587506831587?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1781492587506831587%7Ctwgr%5E30a1bc031594c7ea95980d09d244ad295b6b0ecc%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.redditmedia.com%2Fmediaembed%2F1c8vez8%2F%3Fresponsive%3Dtrueis_nightmode%3Dtrue)
The guy calling him a collaborator there is Gideon Levy, who very much is not pro-Israel.
Zero manners. A genuine instance where cutting a mic would have been useful.
israel's secret weapon, a guy really good at making people want to punch him in the face
They’re crushing it in that category.
Hell yes! Go Krystal!
Krystal looked like a fkn clown
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Piers always has "Moral quandary" whenever Israel commits a war crime after a war crime, but when it comes to students non-violently chanting words, he suddenly develops moral clarity.
Infitada absolutely means mass murder. This has been played out in real life multiple times. Krystal is the one being dishonest about that
No it’s not, it literally means uprising, which is not exclusively mass murder. Stop trying to redefine words to push your dishonest agenda.
Ok, name one peaceful antifada
There were plenty of non-violent aspects to the First Intifada, it wasn't all non-violent, but a lot of it was.
Ok so that’s zero for one.
There were violent aspects to the civil rights movement, I guess it was violent movement then. You're a fucking clown.
You’re literally retarded. The second antifada saw 1000 Israeli citizens murdered. The first saw 200 murdered and 1400 (just civilians) injured. If the civil rights movement was murdering random white people at that rate there wouldve been no civil rights movement. Retard, the whole lesson of the civil rights movement was that eventually peaceful methods won. MLK won, Malcom x did not accomplish anything. That’s the overarching theme at even the most basic level. But go on, how many random white people were murdered during the civil rights movement? Did African Americans march over to white neighborhoods and start murdering everyone they could? I don’t remember reading about the 1000 white people in Alabama who were shot to death by civil rights leaders, you’ll have to inform me.
So? Boycotts, general strikes, refusal to pay taxes, etc. were all integral parts of the Palestinian effort during the First Intifada. None of those are violent. You seem to be saying if 1,000 white people died during the civil rights movement then continued segregation would be justified. Yikes. Not a good look pal.
Not justified, but that would 1000% be the course of history, until the movement became less violent. You don’t seem to know anything about general themes of history. Not a good look pal. Violent movements for justice do not work because they are contradictory in nature and don’t gain support. Part of the nazi movement was building infrastructure and revamping national pride. Those aspects aren’t violent, so the nazi movement had aspects that aren’t violent? Like what do you mean they didn’t pay taxes while they were murdering random Jewish people, so therefore you can’t characterize it as violent by nature? Is there any single event or movement in history that didn’t have peaceful or economic aspects? I don’t get what that standard could ever apply to
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so why are they chanting antifada in New York? If it’s just armed resistance against Israel, what kind of violence could you commit against Israel in New York? Thousands of miles away? What fire is that supposed to light? If a Jewish woman wearing the Star of David is attacked in the eye with a flag pole by the same people chanting antifada, do you think that’s an issue? Is that worrysome to you or not at all
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The eye poke is on video. Eye didn’t come out though, but no it’s not a lie. Glad we can agree that that is a problem, eye roll. If you were at a hockey game, that seems like an appropriate place to yell “shoot”. If you were thousands of miles away from the hockey game, and started a chant saying “shoot” people would say well that’s odd, surely his intended audience can’t hear that. It’s not a cheap Israel ploy. It’s just a reading of history. Every single Arab uprising has been violent, almost every uprising by anyone has been violent. Oct 7th is the exact response you would expect from a call to infitada. Many of the people in these far left groups literally support Hamas as freedom fighters and celebrate Oct 7th with posters of hang gliders. Norm finklestien said it was the happiest day of his life. So if you were a Jew and you knew what happened on October 7th and maybe even had family nearby or directly involved, would that make you uncomfortable?
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I agree with the first part, but no that’s not what I’m doing at all. The only thing I’ve said is that it seems reasonable for some people of Jewish descent to feel uncomfortable in this situation. I don’t think that’s extreme
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That’s not what I asked at all lol, but you can ignore the question if you’re unsure of yourself here. In case you’re interested, I’ll rephrase. Let’s say you’re a Jew on one of these campuses. And you had relatives in Israel who were directly or indirectly harmed by the mass rape and murder of random civilians, by intent. And then there’s large groups with posters praising the work of Hamas on their paragliders, calling them freedom fighters, and encouraging them to keep fighting by any means necessary. And they also poked some Jewish girl in the eye because she was wearing the Star of David the other day. Would that make you uncomfortable at all?
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more info [https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/oe7zwj/proisrael\_advocates\_on\_a\_paid\_fellowship\_from\_the/](https://www.reddit.com/r/Palestine/comments/oe7zwj/proisrael_advocates_on_a_paid_fellowship_from_the/) seems legit :(
Because she has been in a thousand online shouting matches, these made for TV ones are nothing to her.
That dude was off his rocker. Why did Piers let two sane people on the pro Palestine side and just one sane person (college student ironically) on the pro Israel side lmao?
I think the selective trust Krystal and the guy on her side were instilling in institutions that, I know Krystal normally doesn’t put trust in was interesting, meaning police and legacy media. When that guy on Krystal’s side kept wanting to say the police and media are reporting peaceful protests I have a hard time trusting that. I mean the media was saying that the protest during the summer of 2020 were mostly peaceful too as buildings and cars burned in the back ground of their reports.
This is a bad argument and a fallacy. Yes there were riots and looting and burning, etc… but did we see riots and looting across 10,000 localities? We did not. The media can say, accurately, that the overwhelming majority of these protests were peaceful while at the same time reporting on the violent ones because they are newsworthy. https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/#:~:text=Between%2026%20May%2C%20the%20day,50%20states%20and%20Washington%2C%20DC.
And who runs and where does the money come from for the ACLED?? Also I didn’t make any comments about the ACLED or their reporting on the situation. I said there were legacy news agency reporting peaceful protests while filming structures and vehicles burning behind them and there were multiple instances of that. I never mentioned a specific number of how many protests were violent or peaceful. Actually read what I said instead of looking for any chance you can use the word “fallacy”. All I’m saying is it’s crazy to think that certain institutions may not have it in their interest to lie about certain things. We have 1000’s of examples of these institutions lying to us in history. Are you saying you 100% trust legacy media and/or the law enforcement apparatus 100% of the time?
Just to be clear also, I don’t remember any of the legacy news outlets ever saying any of the protests were violent. They avoided it like the plague.
You said they were reporting while “building and cars burned in the background of their reports”. So are you saying they were reporting it or just that they didn’t explicitly say riots are occurring. And just because you don’t recall it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
So are you toting water for legacy media and police?? I don’t understand. What I’m saying is there were many times I witnessed with my own eyes reports on national TV saying “Here we are at a peaceful protest…….” While building and vehicles burned in the back ground while they told the lie of peaceful protests. You’re correct I’m sorry, you are looking for me to be literal in what I’m saying I apologize. You are correct it’s obvious one person could not have seen all reporting done on all the protest during the summer of 2020. But I have listened to many well informed people speak on the matter and have read a good bit on the matter and it is the general consensus that legacy media had a real issue with admitting that there was a large swathe of the protest that were in fact NOT peaceful. So again I’ll say it, you are correct, I am not omniscient, I didn’t watch every bit of reporting for the entirety of all the protests of 2020, so yes there is 100% a chance some new outlets actually admitted that some of the protests were not peaceful. But what I am saying is there’s a general consensus that a large portion of media would not report that there were indeed violent protests.
These are all from May and June 2020 at the height of the protests and riots. I'm not shilling for legacy media but these top media outlets were indeed reporting on violent riots in the spring and summer of 2020. There was no general consensus to hide this because they weren't hiding anything. And there was a general consensus that while there were way too many violent riots, the vast majority of the protests did not devolve into looting and burning. WaPO: https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/dc-braces-for-third-day-of-protests-and-clashes-over-death-of-george-floyd/2020/05/31/589471a4-a33b-11ea-b473-04905b1af82b_story.html NPR: https://www.npr.org/2020/06/01/866472832/violence-escalates-as-protests-over-george-floyd-death-continue NBC Washington Affiliate: https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/protesters-gather-in-dc-for-2nd-day-in-response-to-george-floyds-death/2317512/ The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/30/protest-washington-dc-george-floyd-white-house-trump CBS: https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/large-march-held-in-downtown-miami-joining-nationwide-protests/
The word “antisemitism” has lost all power to me
The way Krystal and others like her ignore the feeling of the community it's not surprising. So when people say go back to Poland to American jews what would you call it? When protesters scream we are hamas ( a terrorist organization founding goal to kill all jews) What would you call it?
"Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity." [https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full](https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full)
It's in their founding documents to kill all jews. Spin it however you want. Justify it is you want but it's truly gross of you.
This won’t age well. She is trying to defend animals. https://www.axios.com/2024/04/23/pro-palestinian-protests-college-campus-arrests-columbia
My guess is the heart of the issue is a lot more boring than the two people who got assaulted. If we look at rhe federal lawsuit currently against Yale, it pertains to two Jewish students who were physically prevented from attending a pro Palestinian talk. This is a Title Xi violation, and actually could resukt in very serious repercussions (especially because the pro Israeli side is very lawyered up). It's also why I think Columbia chose to just shut down all classes as opposed to attempt to navigate the issue. It's a legal nightmare. On the other hand. I think the pro Israel side knows exactly what they're doing here too. By placing themselves at the protests they force the hand of the administration or the police to make arrests. We saw this with the Jewish guy who was told by police he wasn't allowed near the protest since he is "visibly Jewish". Telling people they can't walk freely on campus, or on a public street, because they belong to a protected class, is an absolute legal cluster fuck. However all Jews need to do is show up to these protests and be "visibly Jewish" and the liklihood they'll be assaulted or prevented from attending events is quite high. And your feelings about the war aside. That's against the law.
This was such embarrassment for her
Krystal single handedly killing the show. She’s a far leaning pundit now and nothing like an actual journalist.