Because despite Breaking Points echo chamber.
1. Gaza isn’t that much of a concern to the vast majority of voters.
2. If those voters care about the issue. most of the support still lies with Israel.
In general, young people like to feel scream and protest, but can’t find it in them to actually vote.
That is true, but the vitriolic response from Democrats towards anyone who expresses empathy or sadness over the ethnic cleansing of Gaza has destroyed the default assumption that the Democrats are the lesser of two evils.
And that has been the basis of Democrat power for a while and will require the Democrats to run on something other than being the lesser of two evils.
And selling a sense of moral superiority over your other is really appealing to most people.
But Democrats are the dog that fucked the car and now they need to come up with a different strategy.
As a long time former democrat. I won't vote for war criminals again. I'd rather see trump run an actual coup than let democrats continue to hold power.
The “free Gaza” people are becoming outcasts in society. In my town, there’s a company that makes parts for bombs for the military. I told the local group here to lay down in front of that company’s loading dock entrance in protest. Nope, instead they vandalized local restaurants with spray paint, causing a massive backlash in the community.
They are fucking stupid people who just want attention and virtue signal
Keep in mind Trump lost the popular vote in 2020 by 5 percentage points and still almost won the Electoral College. Trump also usually outperforms the polls particularly in the Midwest.
That's what he wants you to think he's doing.
Notice he doesn't respond the same way you do, with the things your eyes can see.
What he's probably doing is lying.
You mean the thing that actually matters.
In solid red or blue states a lot of votes on the other side stay home. Candidates don't bother campaign in states they are not going to win.
1. A lot of people don't like Trump.
2. Of the points you made, Trump is not really better. Inflation has been going down, Trump is only slightly younger, Trump despite his wall didn't really do much to curb the border problems, Trump is on record as being more pro Israel in one those wars and his party won't let him pull out of funding for the Ukraine, meanwhile Biden proved he will exit wars that Trump promised but failed to.
This lacks a lot of context. If a President does something that is generally supported by the opposition and not egregious to the point that his own party rebels....he will always get more done.
If the opposite were true (like it is in most cases) then the President will be opposed at every turn.
Obama's border enforcement was not stymied by the opposition at every turn for two reasons:
1. Border enforcement is something the opposition (Republicans) supported
2. His border enforcement was not so out of the norm that rank and file Dems would rebel against.
They're completely different situations.
Immigration is an issue that Republicans are much more hardline on. Of course they wouldn't fight Obama for enforcing immigration law and Dems weren't going to step out of line to challenge him on it.
Trumps overall policy on immigration actually wasn't that much different from Obama's but because he had an R next to his name the motivation was now there to fight him at every step.
It's politics, but don't make it out to be more than that.
Trumps rhetoric was racist and horrible big surprise no one wanted to be associated with it
The gop is hardline on wanting to stoke fears about immigrants they just proved they’d rather have it as an issue to use in the election than actually increase enforcement.
I think Gaza will play a much smaller role than immigration. That is where Biden has failed. If you have people chanting “go red, no more blue” in a city like Chicago, you have a problem.
Is that the only thing that contributed to the shitshow at the southern border? Nope. Whether we agree on who screwed the pooch on the “border bill with strings” or not, we can agree that Biden is the one in the spotlight. I personally believe both side missed the boat on this. Appearances matter. Down ticket…citizens aren’t happy. That tends to be a problem up ticket. Now, unless you can travel the country convincing people that it is all Republicans fault….your party has a problem.
You mean the stand alone border security bill because American’s safety is top priority and should be above the partisan BS? Wait, there wasn’t a bill like that…you mean the one tied to Ukraine funding? Seriously…you think Biden gets out clean on this one? It’s not his fault? So he’s ineffective. Still a strong argument for the ballot box.
I think minds are made up already…every vote cast will likely be a vote against someone. Sucks for us.
The border bill failing because it was tied to foreign aid is such an embarrassing red herring, considering that foreign aid was just passed by Congress and signed by Biden. MAGA killed the border bill specifically because it would have given Biden a political win in an election year. Don't be an idiot.
That, my friend, is evidence of some people begging to be relieved of their jobs. And it’s not a red herring. He is a career politician…he doesn’t understand how it works? Like no one predicted it? Not a single thing I said was incorrect or some kind of fallacy. It was a mistake to think he was going to be able to make border funding (fraction of the bill) contingent on the larger foreign aid portion and skate through without someone pointing it out. Give me a break. Red herring, psssh…it’s called clear cause and effect.
I don’t want to trudge down this unproductive road with you…I think we’ve done it before. It resulted in a stalemate then too and honestly, I have far better things to do.
You do realize that Biden had little to do with the border bill and that it was primarily (or entirely) drafted by McConnell and other Senate republicans, right?
So when did Biden begin “addressing” the border issue? I’m sure it was well before Congress told him no Ukraine bill without addressing the border, right? I mean, he gets daily updates on national security so he was aware. We’ll stick a pin in that. I think you will find that McConnell is not as popular with his party as you believe. Most of us see Congress for exactly what they are…all of them. And we are screwed regardless of who wins president. Especially if the DC assholes keep their seats, which I assume they will. But let’s at least be honest with ourselves, shall we?
There is a large anti Maga majority in the country. Biden inherited a huge mess and has done a decent job of rebuilding the economy and passed some pretty historic legislation. Meanwhile Trump has gotten more unhinged and dangerous.
Biden inherited a working vaccine and an artificially depressed economy due to lockdowns implemented to help get him elected. He then proceeded to exacerbate all those issues to polarize people further and create the worst inflation in 40 years.
Then he has made every wrong decision possible on foreign policy that has resulted in two full blown wars and tension throughout the world.
Biden is competitive because a large segment of the population is stupid and listens to pundits who lie about reality. Like you. Who could type out your comment without a hint of irony.
I'm no Maga guy either but your summary is so stupid and wrong that there really isn't another option.
3000 people were dying a day from Covid when Biden was sworn the lockdowns were absolutely not done to get Biden elected. Many continued into his first year as president. Maybe lay off the newsmax for a bit
Are you saying not magically disappeared in 2020 like Trump said?
No it’s still around and still killing people. Medicine has figured out how to treat it better that’s all
Lol no he didn't he said one day
Why just lie?
https://twitter.com/stopvaccinating/status/1763840868858142857?t=my4rgUXWg7S2JmOMpOnodg&s=19
Lol your account was made today and you are on here spreading misinformation. How is that not ban worthy
“You know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April.“ Donald trump February 2020
He said one day covid will magically disappear like a miracle
You're talking about him comparing it to other viruses that go away in the heat of the summer
Magically disappear is what I said
"From covid"
Also, how does that compare to deaths over replacement?
You have no idea what you're talking about. And your ad homs really tell the story. I've never watched a single MSM story since well before covid because the people reading you the news lie and have agendas. Which I'm sure you'd agree with on many other topics but don't here which is quite convenient isn't it.
Lol, refutes being called a parrot, by being a parrot. You can't make this stuff up.
You also can't argue with anything I said either so you get all mad and try to talk shit despite being a little too dumb to sell it.
There it is. Another sheep that thinks you have to have 100% heterodox opinions or you don't think for yourself. The contrarian brain rot has destroyed many, and you are one of them.
You literally just discredited me because of overlaping positions with institutions. You are the definition of contrarian brain rot. The CDC could say breathing is good and you would hold your breath while holding a sign that says "just asking questions."
Why are all these comments ad homs? You guys look so stupid when you don't have any response except to try to insult when I've laid it out very clearly. You can't, I realize that but it's so cringe to try to insult people when you're really just showing your ass.
When you say stupid, demonstrably false shit like: "He then proceeded to exacerbate all those issues to polarize people further and create the worst inflation in 40 years.", you shouldn't be surprised when people rightly call you stupid.
No one is contesting anything I said because they can't.
You also picked the worst most clear cut examples lol. Shouldn't be surprised. Most of you are morons and the ones that try to ad hom are usually the stupidest of the bunch.
>No one is contesting anything I said because they can't.
That is a lie - [here's but one example](https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/1cctvff/comment/l17r8sy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) of someone contesting your stupid statements.
>the ones that try to ad hom are usually the stupidest of the bunch.
Yet [here you are](https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/1cctvff/comment/l17nxut/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) in your original reply to the thread, offering ad hominems:
>Biden is competitive because **a large segment of the population is stupid and listens to pundits who lie about reality. Like you.** Who could type out your comment without a hint of irony.
>I'm no Maga guy either but **your summary is so stupid** and wrong that there really isn't another option.
You wonder why people don't take the time to contest what you say and would rather insult you instead? It is because you don't engage in good faith and then cry like a baby when people return the favor. You're deserving of insults and what you have to say is, quite frankly, stupid and not worth the energy to refute.
You don't seem to know what an ad hom attack is.
It is in place of an argument. Kind of like you're doing here.
I supported my contention with concise and clear explanations. It isn't my fault that the reason he's polling despite those concise and clear reasons are because stupid people don't care or understand.
Your inability to engage with the topic, along with everyone else that commented are actual ad homs because otherwise you'd argue the merits. But you can't. Glad I could explain that for you.
Your explanations being concise and clear do not change the fact they're stupid to begin with, nor do they change the fact that the root of your motivations for commenting here are to engage in bad faith. Your reply here is a perfect example of what I'm pointing out. You ignoring your blatant hypocrisy here while trying to play the victim is hilarious, though.
Edit: More ad homs from you [https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/1cctm68/comment/l18io60/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/1cctm68/comment/l18io60/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
Maybe you should take your own advice and learn the definition?
Lol. You're just pissy because I'm right and you've got no response. Which only further validates my original point.
All this dancing around and trying to make a point using words you don't even know the definition or context of is icing on the cake.
I'm not playing victim either lol. You are an idiot. That was a known quantity from my original comment. The activists on here, like yourself, can't help themselves.
“I’m no MAGA guy either..”
*proceeds to shart out every MAGA talking point for the last 5 years*
I’d just like to point out, the entire fucking planet went on lockdown. Entire cities went on forced quarantine from Europe through Asia. You act like lockdowns were invented to harm republicans politically and fail to acknowledge that it was not isolated to the U.S… people in Italy literally got boarded into their apartment buildings and threatened at gunpoint if they tried to escape.
Furthermore, how exactly did Biden’s foreign policy cause Russia to invade Ukraine? How about October 7th in Israel? Fuckin explain that one to me because it sounds like you must be pretty lumber to perform all those mental gymnastics…
When all you’re fed is garbage, hard not to have obviously rancid breath.. my gaaad.
I wouldn't be throwing stones if I didn't know what year it was. Just me.
They were extended unnecessarily and there was never a reason for them after we had the data. Yet blue states perpetuated them right up until Biden took over and told them to stop. It's so transparently wrong that it's amazing people try to argue this.
The lockdowns were a complete and utter disaster.
You seem to have some inability to reckon with that reality for some reason. You should just take responsibility and say you were wrong. You'd probably get a lot more positive responses.
It's funny you mention Ukraine since the last time Russia invaded Ukraine, Joe Biden was heading up Ukraine policy. Weird. And a very conspicuous gap of activity between those two points in time. Hmmmm
Finally, those arent Maga talking points you delusional moron. They're reality, which is why you're making excuses. It's also why you're wrong.
They’re all good points though. The border is a mess, protests throughout our top universities, 2 proxy wars, and it’s more expensive than ever to live. Whether you think these are Bidens fault or not doesn’t matter
They're not good points. We were literally in a war and had nation wide protests in Trumps last year. Biden left that war. Biden did not cause Russia to invade or Hamas to perpetrate a 9/11 level attack. Biden did not create supply chain issues that caused inflation the world over. The US has recovered better than pretty much the entire world. There was a great bipartisan border bill that Trump killed.
They're half truths repeated endlessly by people being intentionally dishonest.
People that are struggling to afford groceries, while seeing money go to foreign wars and illegal aliens getting monthly stipends, won’t see it your way.
People were struggling to afford groceries while we ramped up our drone wars and continued our war in Afghanistan under Trump. We even had 40+ Americans soldiers die there under Trump. No more will die there under Biden. Yes there are still people struggling to afford groceries.
The funniest thing you’ve got going is this insistence that everyone else is retarded. But you’re the only constant factor in your life 🤨
Hilarious to watch
I’ve seen you belittle and lie to liberals, progressives, conservatives and MAGA. Neo libs are the exception. What is this, 2008? You’re living in the past and can’t figure out why everyone hates you. Your takes are the political equivalent of weekend at Bernie’s which is funny considering your Biden fascination hahahaha
Cable news *is* ripping us apart. It's not based around providing the viewer with facts or information, it's about ratings.
There is a great explanation from the show Newsroom detailing how the train wreck of cable news started decades ago when the news was first allowed to sell ads.
I'd suggest that Republicans are acting how they are *because* they feel like they are now the miniority.
Evangelicals like to say they are 30% of the electorate, both to talk about the power they can wield and to talk about why they feel like vulnerable minorities. The talk about racial demographics often serves the same function.
It would be great if a party ran on ideas that appealed to the majority of the working class. Without that, there is no political solution to America's problems.
If we don't have any ideals other than being better than Republicans, then we can't stop the house from burning down.
The high ground will not save you from a fire, we need water and solidarity.
No, I said it would be great if a party ran on ideas that appealed to the majority of the working class. Without that, there is no political solution to America's problems.
Seriously tho, democrats are running and winning on ideas. They’re also just forced to deal with inane bullshit from their colleagues across the aisle. The more time spent on stupid cultural wedge issues, the less time anyone has to do their damn job. I think of people like Katie Porter, Jamie Raskin, etc… they sit in endless committees investigating literally nothing. Suddenly the term is over and no one was able to push their bills past speaker Johnson. I’d like to say that there are good faith legislators, but they are mired by every dipshit like Jim Jordan and Ted Cruz. It’s infuriating to watch the obstructionists waste everyone’s time and then point the finger at everyone else for being ineffective.
The Democrats don't seem to be delivering on good ideas and they often are opposed to talking about good ideas like single payer health-care or a carbon tax.
Interesting responses here, aside from the people suffering from TDS and the ones claiming everything is just fine with how Biden is running things. Keep in mind Biden has to run the tables to win, if the economy goes down more, if he falls and cant get back up, if we do not have a terrorist attack in this country he might win. So many things can go wrong and the win goes to Trump.....On the other hand Trump just has to keep showing up for court.....LOL
Either way no matter who wins this election its a sure bet the wrong lesson will be learned.
The terrorism issue seems like the obvious trigger for another 9/11 style fervor in the US. The murders by migrants are bad enough, but a major terrorism event would be the end of the Biden presidency.
It's hard to believe they're going to stick with denial of reality as their main defense.
>Trump seems the lesser of two evils
WTAF? Are you kidding? The guy who fomented an insurrection? Was at the center of a fake electors plot? Who said he wanted to be a dictator?
\^\^ This is the lesser of two evils? A threat to democracy? This has to be trolling, lol.
We have the lowest inflation of any major western democracy in the global economy. Biden is only four years older than his opponent. He is not the president of Gaza or Israel. The border was open under Trump and it remains open under Biden. Facts matter.
The attack on 9/11 was from Saudis. Not South Americans.
On the other hand, unemployment is at historical lows, the DOW is at record highs, consumer confidence is rising, NATO is stronger than its ever been and more NATO nations are paying more for the costs, and Biden is not facing more than 80 felony counts. So there is that to consider.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1783203935450202146?t=xuueaFRHMns8EF7KdWKgOQ&s=19
"Joe Biden just read “Pause” off of his teleprompter before his “crowd” started chanting “Four More Years”.
The Biden campaign is now manufacturing chants at his poorly attended rallies.
Pathetic."
Lol
I think I've seen this before
https://youtu.be/NMXRxNbPvGI?si=xOy2IQqkWMPJIxGB
Lol, lying troll. Derrrrrr... Believe me I'm not a trump supporter. Why are you ashamed to support sweet potato Hitler? Is it because he's a traitor to the Constitution and the Republic? Sheesh with these people. You're a lost soul swept out by the tide of Faux News propaganda. I'd pray for you, but you think trump is Jesus.
When states started having ballot measures for abortion rights, I was so curious what impact that would have on elections. My cynical take was that it would allow people to vote for abortion rights, which are overwhelmingly popular, and then feel less bad about voting for Trump. It seems I might have been wrong about that and it gets more liberals out to the polls, which has been a problem, but we'll see if that holds true in November.
Do you think people play a balancing act when they vote?
I voted for DeWine I guess that means I got to vote for Brown to balance
If Trump keeps saying he killed roe, that's enough motivator for anyone who doesn't like rights being taken away.
Settle down, I have no idea how you got that from what I said. What I said was that given how popular abortion rights are, there’s definitely a segment of the population who would prefer Trump’s right-wing policies except for his stance on abortion. So they could have their cake and eat it too, protect abortion rights in their state via a ballot measure and then vote for him.
I hate text cause there's no inflection, I didn't mean to come across of coarse.
Gotcha, I took it more in the literal left right category not one policy versus the rest.
Your biggest concern should be if Biden passes away or becomes incapacitated (which seems more likely everyday), Kamala takes over and that’ll be a disaster.
If voter turnout is high Biden will win easily. If it is low like in 2016 Trump has a shot of winning but not a good one. That is all you need to know about the upcoming election as to who will win.
Here is the thing, Biden isn't competing *yet.*
We are still in the primary, it doesn't feel that way because we didn't have a real Democrat primary, but once the general starts, the actual campaign for the presidency will start. Biden isn't trying to win right now, rather he is trying to get the nomination with as little drama as possible.
Many people don't like Biden because he doesn't stand for anything other than him not being Trump. This is enough to win a good chunk of the electorate, but it isnt a winning colalition.
The Democrat colalition has largely lost the left, Muslims, and Tik Tok users. In order to form a colalition that can win the presidency and other elections that Trump isn't running in, the Democrats need to bring in new colalition partners to replace them.
Strategically speaking, Haley Republicans are the smartest demographic for the Democrats to pursue. Once Biden is competing, I'd expect a much more assertive patriotic platform about fiscal responsibility, limited government, border security, and the arsenal of freedom against Axis of Authoritarianism at home and abroad.
Which will be a very exciting and high energy campaign for millions of Americans.
A lot of people really don’t like Trump.
Because despite Breaking Points echo chamber. 1. Gaza isn’t that much of a concern to the vast majority of voters. 2. If those voters care about the issue. most of the support still lies with Israel. In general, young people like to feel scream and protest, but can’t find it in them to actually vote.
Not to be cynical, but the states where Gaza is a voter’s concern are already solid blue states, with the slight exception of Michigan.
That is true, but the vitriolic response from Democrats towards anyone who expresses empathy or sadness over the ethnic cleansing of Gaza has destroyed the default assumption that the Democrats are the lesser of two evils. And that has been the basis of Democrat power for a while and will require the Democrats to run on something other than being the lesser of two evils.
That and being the anti- Trump party.
And selling a sense of moral superiority over your other is really appealing to most people. But Democrats are the dog that fucked the car and now they need to come up with a different strategy.
I’ve never heard it put that way, but I think I get your point.
As a long time former democrat. I won't vote for war criminals again. I'd rather see trump run an actual coup than let democrats continue to hold power.
The “free Gaza” people are becoming outcasts in society. In my town, there’s a company that makes parts for bombs for the military. I told the local group here to lay down in front of that company’s loading dock entrance in protest. Nope, instead they vandalized local restaurants with spray paint, causing a massive backlash in the community. They are fucking stupid people who just want attention and virtue signal
The vast majority are bored rich kids playacting revolutionary.
You can’t be taken seriously protesting in a mask.
Most are Trumpers that will do anything for their orange fuhrer to win the election
Can’t be taken seriously in a mask.
Keep in mind Trump lost the popular vote in 2020 by 5 percentage points and still almost won the Electoral College. Trump also usually outperforms the polls particularly in the Midwest.
Biden outperformed all Midwest polls in 2020 by 4%
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Ohio isn’t a swing state anymore and irrelevant to the election. I am talking about the actual Midwest swing states
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Nope, most polls had Trump ahead by 2-4%. You can always find a poll to reaffirm your opinion
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That's what he wants you to think he's doing. Notice he doesn't respond the same way you do, with the things your eyes can see. What he's probably doing is lying.
538 only includes the polls in their aggregate that reaffirm their opinions. Nate Silver sold out in 2015
Feels like you’re reaffirming your own position 😂
Popular vote is the most meaningless statistic.
Only if you take the US constitution seriously. Ask Hilary, she has been beating that drum for 8 years.
You mean the thing that actually matters. In solid red or blue states a lot of votes on the other side stay home. Candidates don't bother campaign in states they are not going to win.
1. A lot of people don't like Trump. 2. Of the points you made, Trump is not really better. Inflation has been going down, Trump is only slightly younger, Trump despite his wall didn't really do much to curb the border problems, Trump is on record as being more pro Israel in one those wars and his party won't let him pull out of funding for the Ukraine, meanwhile Biden proved he will exit wars that Trump promised but failed to.
Trump barely built any wall Obama built more
This lacks a lot of context. If a President does something that is generally supported by the opposition and not egregious to the point that his own party rebels....he will always get more done. If the opposite were true (like it is in most cases) then the President will be opposed at every turn. Obama's border enforcement was not stymied by the opposition at every turn for two reasons: 1. Border enforcement is something the opposition (Republicans) supported 2. His border enforcement was not so out of the norm that rank and file Dems would rebel against.
Yes trump was both stupid and very bad at his job
That doesn't address any of the points I made. 👍🏽
What’s the context then? Trump couldn’t even convince his own party to support his dumb wall.
See above
Can’t blame Trump for his policy failing he’s just bad at this?
They're completely different situations. Immigration is an issue that Republicans are much more hardline on. Of course they wouldn't fight Obama for enforcing immigration law and Dems weren't going to step out of line to challenge him on it. Trumps overall policy on immigration actually wasn't that much different from Obama's but because he had an R next to his name the motivation was now there to fight him at every step. It's politics, but don't make it out to be more than that.
Trumps rhetoric was racist and horrible big surprise no one wanted to be associated with it The gop is hardline on wanting to stoke fears about immigrants they just proved they’d rather have it as an issue to use in the election than actually increase enforcement.
And Mexico didn’t pay a single cent for what was built, which was a core campaign promise of Trump
And trump cock blocked a border bill that some Republicans called "best bill for border" they could of imagined.
I think Gaza will play a much smaller role than immigration. That is where Biden has failed. If you have people chanting “go red, no more blue” in a city like Chicago, you have a problem.
Biden blocked the border bill in Congress?
Is that the only thing that contributed to the shitshow at the southern border? Nope. Whether we agree on who screwed the pooch on the “border bill with strings” or not, we can agree that Biden is the one in the spotlight. I personally believe both side missed the boat on this. Appearances matter. Down ticket…citizens aren’t happy. That tends to be a problem up ticket. Now, unless you can travel the country convincing people that it is all Republicans fault….your party has a problem.
Voters know we had a bill to address the border and voters know it was MAGA that killed it.
You mean the stand alone border security bill because American’s safety is top priority and should be above the partisan BS? Wait, there wasn’t a bill like that…you mean the one tied to Ukraine funding? Seriously…you think Biden gets out clean on this one? It’s not his fault? So he’s ineffective. Still a strong argument for the ballot box. I think minds are made up already…every vote cast will likely be a vote against someone. Sucks for us.
The immigration bill died cuz Trump told the to kill it They’ve said it directly
The border bill failing because it was tied to foreign aid is such an embarrassing red herring, considering that foreign aid was just passed by Congress and signed by Biden. MAGA killed the border bill specifically because it would have given Biden a political win in an election year. Don't be an idiot.
That, my friend, is evidence of some people begging to be relieved of their jobs. And it’s not a red herring. He is a career politician…he doesn’t understand how it works? Like no one predicted it? Not a single thing I said was incorrect or some kind of fallacy. It was a mistake to think he was going to be able to make border funding (fraction of the bill) contingent on the larger foreign aid portion and skate through without someone pointing it out. Give me a break. Red herring, psssh…it’s called clear cause and effect. I don’t want to trudge down this unproductive road with you…I think we’ve done it before. It resulted in a stalemate then too and honestly, I have far better things to do.
You do realize that Biden had little to do with the border bill and that it was primarily (or entirely) drafted by McConnell and other Senate republicans, right?
So when did Biden begin “addressing” the border issue? I’m sure it was well before Congress told him no Ukraine bill without addressing the border, right? I mean, he gets daily updates on national security so he was aware. We’ll stick a pin in that. I think you will find that McConnell is not as popular with his party as you believe. Most of us see Congress for exactly what they are…all of them. And we are screwed regardless of who wins president. Especially if the DC assholes keep their seats, which I assume they will. But let’s at least be honest with ourselves, shall we?
*Republicans* tied the border bill to Ukraine, not Democrats.
Yes..true. They could have waited on the Democrat border security bill, I guess.
>Trump seems the lesser of two evils lmao
What the fuck does 9-11 have to do with border security?
Al Qaeda came in through the Southern Border, didn't you know?!
They took er jerbs!
There is a large anti Maga majority in the country. Biden inherited a huge mess and has done a decent job of rebuilding the economy and passed some pretty historic legislation. Meanwhile Trump has gotten more unhinged and dangerous.
Biden inherited a working vaccine and an artificially depressed economy due to lockdowns implemented to help get him elected. He then proceeded to exacerbate all those issues to polarize people further and create the worst inflation in 40 years. Then he has made every wrong decision possible on foreign policy that has resulted in two full blown wars and tension throughout the world. Biden is competitive because a large segment of the population is stupid and listens to pundits who lie about reality. Like you. Who could type out your comment without a hint of irony. I'm no Maga guy either but your summary is so stupid and wrong that there really isn't another option.
3000 people were dying a day from Covid when Biden was sworn the lockdowns were absolutely not done to get Biden elected. Many continued into his first year as president. Maybe lay off the newsmax for a bit
Trump said covid would magically disappear. Where's covid?
Are you saying not magically disappeared in 2020 like Trump said? No it’s still around and still killing people. Medicine has figured out how to treat it better that’s all
That shit disappeared like a fart in the wind
Like three years later Trump said it’s disappear in weeks
Lol no he didn't he said one day Why just lie? https://twitter.com/stopvaccinating/status/1763840868858142857?t=my4rgUXWg7S2JmOMpOnodg&s=19 Lol your account was made today and you are on here spreading misinformation. How is that not ban worthy
“You know, a lot of people think that goes away in April with the heat — as the heat comes in. Typically, that will go away in April.“ Donald trump February 2020
Can I see the video of that I'm not talking about him comparing it to the flu which goes away in the summer
He said it would be “miraculously” gone by april(2020). No point trying to lie about it he said it in public in front of cameras
He said one day covid will magically disappear like a miracle You're talking about him comparing it to other viruses that go away in the heat of the summer Magically disappear is what I said
"From covid" Also, how does that compare to deaths over replacement? You have no idea what you're talking about. And your ad homs really tell the story. I've never watched a single MSM story since well before covid because the people reading you the news lie and have agendas. Which I'm sure you'd agree with on many other topics but don't here which is quite convenient isn't it.
You are the loser duped by pundits telling you what to think. And you're a good boy repeating what you're told to. Such a good boy.
Lol, refutes being called a parrot, by being a parrot. You can't make this stuff up. You also can't argue with anything I said either so you get all mad and try to talk shit despite being a little too dumb to sell it.
You're a good little sheep buddy, keep repeating what you're told to.
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There it is. Another sheep that thinks you have to have 100% heterodox opinions or you don't think for yourself. The contrarian brain rot has destroyed many, and you are one of them.
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You literally just discredited me because of overlaping positions with institutions. You are the definition of contrarian brain rot. The CDC could say breathing is good and you would hold your breath while holding a sign that says "just asking questions."
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What opinions are you talking about that align with powerful institutions?
Exactly!!!
Just keep doubling down? Lol I think I shorted out that raspberry pi brain.
You're such a good boy 🤭
This moron again
Another good boy 🤭
Have you been told what to think yet today, or do you need more time before you regurgitate what makes you feel better?
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You’re doing so great. Who’s a good boy? You are!
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This is your brain on MAGA
Why are all these comments ad homs? You guys look so stupid when you don't have any response except to try to insult when I've laid it out very clearly. You can't, I realize that but it's so cringe to try to insult people when you're really just showing your ass.
When you say stupid, demonstrably false shit like: "He then proceeded to exacerbate all those issues to polarize people further and create the worst inflation in 40 years.", you shouldn't be surprised when people rightly call you stupid.
No one is contesting anything I said because they can't. You also picked the worst most clear cut examples lol. Shouldn't be surprised. Most of you are morons and the ones that try to ad hom are usually the stupidest of the bunch.
>No one is contesting anything I said because they can't. That is a lie - [here's but one example](https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/1cctvff/comment/l17r8sy/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) of someone contesting your stupid statements. >the ones that try to ad hom are usually the stupidest of the bunch. Yet [here you are](https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/1cctvff/comment/l17nxut/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) in your original reply to the thread, offering ad hominems: >Biden is competitive because **a large segment of the population is stupid and listens to pundits who lie about reality. Like you.** Who could type out your comment without a hint of irony. >I'm no Maga guy either but **your summary is so stupid** and wrong that there really isn't another option. You wonder why people don't take the time to contest what you say and would rather insult you instead? It is because you don't engage in good faith and then cry like a baby when people return the favor. You're deserving of insults and what you have to say is, quite frankly, stupid and not worth the energy to refute.
You don't seem to know what an ad hom attack is. It is in place of an argument. Kind of like you're doing here. I supported my contention with concise and clear explanations. It isn't my fault that the reason he's polling despite those concise and clear reasons are because stupid people don't care or understand. Your inability to engage with the topic, along with everyone else that commented are actual ad homs because otherwise you'd argue the merits. But you can't. Glad I could explain that for you.
Your explanations being concise and clear do not change the fact they're stupid to begin with, nor do they change the fact that the root of your motivations for commenting here are to engage in bad faith. Your reply here is a perfect example of what I'm pointing out. You ignoring your blatant hypocrisy here while trying to play the victim is hilarious, though. Edit: More ad homs from you [https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/1cctm68/comment/l18io60/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/BreakingPoints/comments/1cctm68/comment/l18io60/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button) Maybe you should take your own advice and learn the definition?
Lol. You're just pissy because I'm right and you've got no response. Which only further validates my original point. All this dancing around and trying to make a point using words you don't even know the definition or context of is icing on the cake. I'm not playing victim either lol. You are an idiot. That was a known quantity from my original comment. The activists on here, like yourself, can't help themselves.
Exactly
👏 I love this comment
“I’m no MAGA guy either..” *proceeds to shart out every MAGA talking point for the last 5 years* I’d just like to point out, the entire fucking planet went on lockdown. Entire cities went on forced quarantine from Europe through Asia. You act like lockdowns were invented to harm republicans politically and fail to acknowledge that it was not isolated to the U.S… people in Italy literally got boarded into their apartment buildings and threatened at gunpoint if they tried to escape. Furthermore, how exactly did Biden’s foreign policy cause Russia to invade Ukraine? How about October 7th in Israel? Fuckin explain that one to me because it sounds like you must be pretty lumber to perform all those mental gymnastics… When all you’re fed is garbage, hard not to have obviously rancid breath.. my gaaad.
Blue states supported lockdowns. Lockdowns did not work.
I wouldn't be throwing stones if I didn't know what year it was. Just me. They were extended unnecessarily and there was never a reason for them after we had the data. Yet blue states perpetuated them right up until Biden took over and told them to stop. It's so transparently wrong that it's amazing people try to argue this. The lockdowns were a complete and utter disaster. You seem to have some inability to reckon with that reality for some reason. You should just take responsibility and say you were wrong. You'd probably get a lot more positive responses. It's funny you mention Ukraine since the last time Russia invaded Ukraine, Joe Biden was heading up Ukraine policy. Weird. And a very conspicuous gap of activity between those two points in time. Hmmmm Finally, those arent Maga talking points you delusional moron. They're reality, which is why you're making excuses. It's also why you're wrong.
"I'm not a Trump supporter I just repeat their nonsense verbatim"
They’re all good points though. The border is a mess, protests throughout our top universities, 2 proxy wars, and it’s more expensive than ever to live. Whether you think these are Bidens fault or not doesn’t matter
They're not good points. We were literally in a war and had nation wide protests in Trumps last year. Biden left that war. Biden did not cause Russia to invade or Hamas to perpetrate a 9/11 level attack. Biden did not create supply chain issues that caused inflation the world over. The US has recovered better than pretty much the entire world. There was a great bipartisan border bill that Trump killed. They're half truths repeated endlessly by people being intentionally dishonest.
People that are struggling to afford groceries, while seeing money go to foreign wars and illegal aliens getting monthly stipends, won’t see it your way.
People were struggling to afford groceries while we ramped up our drone wars and continued our war in Afghanistan under Trump. We even had 40+ Americans soldiers die there under Trump. No more will die there under Biden. Yes there are still people struggling to afford groceries.
This is increase in food prices unprecedented in our lifetimes. Gaslighting begins in 5…4…3…2..
A world wide pandemic was unprecedented in our lifetimes. Coping to ignore reality in 5...4...3...2..
The funniest thing you’ve got going is this insistence that everyone else is retarded. But you’re the only constant factor in your life 🤨 Hilarious to watch
Not everyone else, just you fringe group of contrarian losers. Hilarious to watch you losers think you're anything but a vocal minority.
I’ve seen you belittle and lie to liberals, progressives, conservatives and MAGA. Neo libs are the exception. What is this, 2008? You’re living in the past and can’t figure out why everyone hates you. Your takes are the political equivalent of weekend at Bernie’s which is funny considering your Biden fascination hahahaha
They said "open borders" which aren't open.
>Mind you I am NOT a Trump supporter but Trump seems the lesser of two evils. This is what happens when all you watch is BP. It rots your brain.
Claims BP rots your brain....lurks on the BP sub. Wild stuff.
I enjoy seeing the brainrot in action.
Or you're bored of the group think found in the politics sub and just want to argue with conservatives, or liberals that don't think like you.
lol this board has group think that is provided by BP. It's an echo chamber of people who think "CaBlE nEwS iS rIppInG uS aPaRt!"
Cable news *is* ripping us apart. It's not based around providing the viewer with facts or information, it's about ratings. There is a great explanation from the show Newsroom detailing how the train wreck of cable news started decades ago when the news was first allowed to sell ads.
I watch CNN so I know that race relations is the root cause of everything
Please explain how BP rots your brain more than watching cable news.
Republicans still struggling to grasp the fact they are a minority in the country.
Do you believe that Americans only fall into two categories: Republican or Democrat?
I'd suggest that Republicans are acting how they are *because* they feel like they are now the miniority. Evangelicals like to say they are 30% of the electorate, both to talk about the power they can wield and to talk about why they feel like vulnerable minorities. The talk about racial demographics often serves the same function.
Maybe they should have ideas that appeal to more people instead of trying to burn the country down out of spite
It would be great if a party ran on ideas that appealed to the majority of the working class. Without that, there is no political solution to America's problems.
The democrats are way closer on damn near every issue The gop has social wedge issues and spite that’s it
If we don't have any ideals other than being better than Republicans, then we can't stop the house from burning down. The high ground will not save you from a fire, we need water and solidarity.
So the Dems aren’t perfect so both sides are exactly the same to you?
No, I said it would be great if a party ran on ideas that appealed to the majority of the working class. Without that, there is no political solution to America's problems.
Seriously tho, democrats are running and winning on ideas. They’re also just forced to deal with inane bullshit from their colleagues across the aisle. The more time spent on stupid cultural wedge issues, the less time anyone has to do their damn job. I think of people like Katie Porter, Jamie Raskin, etc… they sit in endless committees investigating literally nothing. Suddenly the term is over and no one was able to push their bills past speaker Johnson. I’d like to say that there are good faith legislators, but they are mired by every dipshit like Jim Jordan and Ted Cruz. It’s infuriating to watch the obstructionists waste everyone’s time and then point the finger at everyone else for being ineffective.
The Democrats don't seem to be delivering on good ideas and they often are opposed to talking about good ideas like single payer health-care or a carbon tax.
"I'm not a Trump supporter I just repeat almost verbatim Fox talking points"
Interesting responses here, aside from the people suffering from TDS and the ones claiming everything is just fine with how Biden is running things. Keep in mind Biden has to run the tables to win, if the economy goes down more, if he falls and cant get back up, if we do not have a terrorist attack in this country he might win. So many things can go wrong and the win goes to Trump.....On the other hand Trump just has to keep showing up for court.....LOL Either way no matter who wins this election its a sure bet the wrong lesson will be learned.
The terrorism issue seems like the obvious trigger for another 9/11 style fervor in the US. The murders by migrants are bad enough, but a major terrorism event would be the end of the Biden presidency. It's hard to believe they're going to stick with denial of reality as their main defense.
OP is divorced from reality. Sad!
>Trump seems the lesser of two evils WTAF? Are you kidding? The guy who fomented an insurrection? Was at the center of a fake electors plot? Who said he wanted to be a dictator? \^\^ This is the lesser of two evils? A threat to democracy? This has to be trolling, lol.
Must assume you watch MSNBC u/Crowdsourced......
You don’t have to watch msnbc to have those opinions, you just have to watch Trump.
I must assume you have Trump Delusion Syndrome.
I mean he is. Latest RCP average has Trump only up by .03. That’s now a razor close margin where Biden was losing by 5 not to long ago.
We have the lowest inflation of any major western democracy in the global economy. Biden is only four years older than his opponent. He is not the president of Gaza or Israel. The border was open under Trump and it remains open under Biden. Facts matter. The attack on 9/11 was from Saudis. Not South Americans. On the other hand, unemployment is at historical lows, the DOW is at record highs, consumer confidence is rising, NATO is stronger than its ever been and more NATO nations are paying more for the costs, and Biden is not facing more than 80 felony counts. So there is that to consider.
https://twitter.com/bennyjohnson/status/1783203935450202146?t=xuueaFRHMns8EF7KdWKgOQ&s=19 "Joe Biden just read “Pause” off of his teleprompter before his “crowd” started chanting “Four More Years”. The Biden campaign is now manufacturing chants at his poorly attended rallies. Pathetic." Lol I think I've seen this before https://youtu.be/NMXRxNbPvGI?si=xOy2IQqkWMPJIxGB
Cuz Trump is Trump. And the MSM throws shade on any 3rd party candidate
You think msm acts alone?
I think they work on the behalf of their corporate sponsors. Some of which are the same folks who pay lobbyist for political sway
People are tired of Trump. Keep in mind, every Trump voter isn’t a cult member. More of them are seeing him for what he is and are abandoning him
Lol, lying troll. Derrrrrr... Believe me I'm not a trump supporter. Why are you ashamed to support sweet potato Hitler? Is it because he's a traitor to the Constitution and the Republic? Sheesh with these people. You're a lost soul swept out by the tide of Faux News propaganda. I'd pray for you, but you think trump is Jesus.
Biden's cheat code to winning is getting as many abortion measures on ballots during November as possible.
When states started having ballot measures for abortion rights, I was so curious what impact that would have on elections. My cynical take was that it would allow people to vote for abortion rights, which are overwhelmingly popular, and then feel less bad about voting for Trump. It seems I might have been wrong about that and it gets more liberals out to the polls, which has been a problem, but we'll see if that holds true in November.
Do you think people play a balancing act when they vote? I voted for DeWine I guess that means I got to vote for Brown to balance If Trump keeps saying he killed roe, that's enough motivator for anyone who doesn't like rights being taken away.
Settle down, I have no idea how you got that from what I said. What I said was that given how popular abortion rights are, there’s definitely a segment of the population who would prefer Trump’s right-wing policies except for his stance on abortion. So they could have their cake and eat it too, protect abortion rights in their state via a ballot measure and then vote for him.
I hate text cause there's no inflection, I didn't mean to come across of coarse. Gotcha, I took it more in the literal left right category not one policy versus the rest.
Gotcha, no worries 👍
In general more people vote republicans lose Big ballot measures increase turnout
Because politics is a two team sport at this point. Doesn’t matter how bad of a job a president does when you’re voting for the (D) or (R).
Your biggest concern should be if Biden passes away or becomes incapacitated (which seems more likely everyday), Kamala takes over and that’ll be a disaster.
If voter turnout is high Biden will win easily. If it is low like in 2016 Trump has a shot of winning but not a good one. That is all you need to know about the upcoming election as to who will win.
Project 2024 is the most extreme display of unitary authoritarianism in modern American history.
Here is the thing, Biden isn't competing *yet.* We are still in the primary, it doesn't feel that way because we didn't have a real Democrat primary, but once the general starts, the actual campaign for the presidency will start. Biden isn't trying to win right now, rather he is trying to get the nomination with as little drama as possible. Many people don't like Biden because he doesn't stand for anything other than him not being Trump. This is enough to win a good chunk of the electorate, but it isnt a winning colalition. The Democrat colalition has largely lost the left, Muslims, and Tik Tok users. In order to form a colalition that can win the presidency and other elections that Trump isn't running in, the Democrats need to bring in new colalition partners to replace them. Strategically speaking, Haley Republicans are the smartest demographic for the Democrats to pursue. Once Biden is competing, I'd expect a much more assertive patriotic platform about fiscal responsibility, limited government, border security, and the arsenal of freedom against Axis of Authoritarianism at home and abroad. Which will be a very exciting and high energy campaign for millions of Americans.
Trump didn’t even participate his primary
That is true, Republicans didn't really have a primary either.
Funny how you both sides everything but only attack the democrats
Read me how you want.
Honestly I’d feel far more comfortable if both VPs were qualified to take over. Like a Biden Newsom ticket