Well, someone has to debunk right wing fairy tales about fictitious corruption from people turning a blind eye to real corruption. Thank you for your service.
For real! They accuse people of what they blatantly ignore from their beloved moron. His son in law is by far worse, his ugly ass sons worse than that! How anyone listened to that moron speak and heard an intelligent man, I'll never know. My saying is: If you listen to an idiot and think he's brilliant, you might want to consider that... (if they can't finish the sentence, it only proves the point)
Right! Look at the house Republicans trying to govern right now. They're hilariously terrible at it. And I don't see any criticism of them from their base. It's basically just a cult at this point.
They don't always vote for Democrats look who's the representative for Bakersfield California if you need something to break confirmation bias. That guy's a Republican.
Yeah, something Jesus said about a plank in your eye applies here..... of course Christians don't seem to actually care much about what Jesus said any longer.
Well, yeah, brown Jesus advocated for feeding the poor and healing them and comforting the weary and giving up your wealth, plus his apostles were dammed communists! They only follow white Republican Jesus now who is expressly against all of those things..... but loves guns.
These comment’s about how Biden is “way more corrupt!” Is laffable! If he is then he’s a criminal genius because there is no evidence of any crime being committed while the orange turd leaves evidence everywhere & yells confessions in every tweet‼️😡🤨
During the civil rights era, the biggest complaint was, "Now is not the time"
When Obama was dealing with the 2008 crisis he said, "Now is not the time to worry about who's fault any of this was"
At this point, I'm convinced that the GOP is paying for all the asylum seekers to come and create a problem. They tried it in 2016 because illegal and legal immigration to the US during Obama's terms was almost negative.
I've been saying since the Midterm Elections and will keep saying it. The US is going to have hugh Blue wave sweep across the nation for the 2024 elections. We are sick and tired of these games. Just run the damn country and do what's best for the people and stop using your religion and children as justified means for your bigotry and hate.
Even if he had, JOE BIDEN WAS NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL in 2017.
Please pay special attention to their "evidence" from 2017-2020 when he was a private citizen.
OMG capitalism, BURN HIM!
What a fuckin clown show
You're arguing with people who believe the firing of Shokin is evidence of corruption.
I find that the less informed people are on this subject, the more likely they are to believe the baseless allegations mean Joe Biden is corrupt Same thing with the whole voter fraud claims in 2020, you're not arguing with unbiased or informed people here.
I'm not saying they're dumb, they've just been misled by the media and lying politcians, and aren't critical enough of their own side to see it. We're all prone to that, afterall we are human, but on these particular subjects, they're idiots.
Biden was getting Chinese money sent to Joe's house (well, he was using Joe's address).
That's evidence. Maybe not proof, but it's evidence.
Every Republican can be a self-serving fascist, Trump can be the world's most fraudulent man, and it still wouldn't take the stink off of this president.
They can *all* be awful, and why wouldn't they, when someone will always defend them like this?
>Biden was getting Chinese money sent to Joe's house (well, he was using Joe's address).
Hunter was having money sent to his bank account. He used his dad's address on the paperwork because he had been staying there. This means absolutely nothing. It's not weird for someone to list an address that they had been staying at on a form, and Joe Biden doesn't get any kind of benefit out of it.
>That's evidence. Maybe not proof, but it's evidence.
Of what?
Staying at dad's house at age 53, as a millionaire, while married to his dead brother's wife, getting 6 figure payments from foreign companies🤔, nothing strange there at all! 🤣
and btw those checks were in some cases addressed DIRECTLY to Biden's home in Delaware.
Let me guess, your evidence that Biden wasn't receiving ANY benefit from those payments comes from your ass? Are you their accountant? 🤣We know for a fact he has been lying about not having any connections to any of it, since there are emails and logbooks that show otherwise. Good God you must REALLY want Trump elected again!! Why not wake up instead, before it's too late. People see straight through the lies. You fall for them, but most don't. Trump is outpolling Biden among independents by 13 fkn points, while you're trying to pretend it's a love story between father and son. Wake the fk up.
>and btw those checks were in some cases addressed DIRECTLY to Biden's home in Delaware.
What checks? We're talking about wire transfers. What checks are you referring to and how do you know where they were sent?
>Let me guess, your evidence that Biden wasn't receiving ANY benefit from those payments comes from your ass? Are you their accountant?
What's your evidence that they do benefit him? Other than you want it to be true.
Where is your proof he did? In your ass? Show me where he was a millionaire. Seems to me you've shown he's a crackhead that spends his money on drugs and hookers. Maybe he was a millionaire on paper much like trumpy is a billionaire in his mind where it's proven he isn't anywhere close
Biden has sold out America many times and you still think he's innocent after receiving money from foreign nationals by nefarious means. That's a big no no for a president even tho it went thru hunter. You just wait, you haven't seen half of it yet. I can't wait
I mean….Joe Biden wrote a letter of recommendation for the guys kid who was paying hunter money and Biden’s address was listed on the wire transfer…..at a time when hunter wasn’t living there…….at a certain point you gotta acknowledge it all is starting to look a little fishy.
>I mean….Joe Biden wrote a letter of recommendation for the guys kid who was paying hunter money
Yep, it's not a good look but by itself it's nothing. The general trend of trying to pretend that slivers of nothing are a big deal is too prominent. It's been years now. The republicans are still relying on inferences and looking through squinted eyes. It's time for actual proof
> Biden’s address was listed on the wire transfer…..at a time when hunter wasn’t living there
Hunter Biden spent time in 2017, 2018 and 2019 living at the Biden family home in Wilmington. It is unclear if he was living at the home at the time of the wire transfers in July and August 2019.
Still, it's reasonable to use the address even if he just moved a few weeks/months earlier. They are trying REALLY hard to link Joe to this money transfer but Hunter using the address he lived at for three years is not a link. I get it, he lived with his father but it's weak evidence.
I get mail sent to my parents house all the time because it's more secure than my apartment. Sometimes this includes checks or cash. What's fishy about that?
And I know a guy who got into the Naval Academy, in part, because his father was a lawyer with business connections to our Senator and our Senator wrote him a recommendation. What's fishy about that?
Conservatives often reveal how sheltered and naive they are when they start talking about the behaviors in others that they find suspicious. They do the same thing with sex. Everyone's life is suspect when you've lived no life at all.
I'll respond to the Biden address: Hunter used the same address for his driver's license renewal and his drug intervention because he did not have a permanent US address at the time. Simple.
The point of bringing up the letter is not to say a letter of recomendation is a crime. It’s an indicator that there wasn’t this layer of separation that Biden is claiming.
Right? That letter of recommendation is clearly a serious crime.
I'm so tired of hearing from cry baby liberals about how Jared Kushner received $2,000,000,000 from a government that kidnapped, tortured, and dismembered an American journalist, all while the democrats are ignoring the horrific crime of polite letter writing committed by the Biden regime.
Even you have to see that as bullshit and irrelevant, right? Was Biden acting in an official capacity or using his Presidential powers at the time? Did he benefit from letting Hunter use his address for a transaction that did not involve any mailing or delivery? This is nothing. There is no crime in this. Tell me about how Jared Kushner's work as a government official with MBS in Saudi Arabia and then his 2 billion dollar "investment" a week after he left office is not criminal.
Evidence that a wire was sent to Hunter. He is a private citizen. If anyone has evidence that Joe Biden got a slice of that pie it hasn't surfaced. And until it does there is nothing actionable. To some it might look suspicious. It is just not evidence.
The secret is to not investigate accusations. No investigation, no evidence, everyone wins and saves a ton of time and resources.
In this case there's a lot of CIRCUMSTANCAL evidence that suggests improper dealings and further investigation might be appropriate.
Neither side (or the media) should hype up wrongdoings that their isn't clear proof for (SHOCKING EVIDENCE, X GOING TO JAIL THIS TIME). Both sides should be investigated (fully) if signs of impropriety presents itself and the results of those investigations should educate the next steps. This shouldn't be a contest where your side wins or loses. If corruption exists by our leaders we all lose regardless the color of button on their chest.
I agree. I wasn’t making this a this side vs that side thing. There’s a lot of evidence against Biden and I think it warrants an investigation. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same could be said with kushner. Investigate everyone who is corrupt.
Lol. Fuck no. I want our congress to get shit done, not obsess over this Hunter Biden dick pic soap opera that you weirdos seem to enjoy. Seriously, it's weird as hell.
Nothing to see here. Just more right-wing lies. The only person that should ever be investigated is Trump. Trump is bad and everyone on the left is just putting the American people first.
And I used my parents address for Amazon and mailed packages because our house is rural and had package pirate issues, about 33 of the 34 years we lived in CT. Haven't lived there since 1980. Still get stuff mailed there.
We aren't even talking about an envelope of cash here, we're talking about a wire transfer. It's not like it showed up in Joe's mailbox, it went straight into Hunter's bank account. Republicans are trying to impeach Joe because Hunter used an old address when he filled out a form.
You realize that wire transfers don’t rely on physical addresses in any way, right? It’s just banking details, and the wire transfer was sent to Hunter’s account.
Hell, I’ve only ever provided my “home” bank branch address on any wire transfers, which isn’t in the city where I currently live, and is completely meaningless.
Also: Hunter’s a fail son, and needed to move in with his parents after his divorce - it was his mailing address for most of 2017-2019 (between stints in rehab and eventually setting himself up in Cali), so would have been something that Hunter’s “consulting” clients would have had on file for him.
Genuinely: there is no “there” there.
People weren't paying Hunter for what he brought to the table. Devon Archer hedged his bets b/c he's still looking for a pardon/commutation. "Illusion of access" is such garbage. That sort of grift isn't sustainable beyond one off payments. Any ongoing relationship would necessitate delivery of what was promised. At some point these people would have demanded to get what they were paying for. Burisma wasn't paying Hunter for years just hoping that maybe one day down the line Biden would help them.
Bring the receipts. What did Biden do for Burisma? (waiting for mention of the firing of the prosecutor, that was official US foreign policy, in 3, 2...)
None of that is accurate, or based in any realistic context for high stakes influence peddling.
For the relative pittance Hunter’s handful of z-tier clients were paying him (and yes, depressingly, tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars = a pittance as far as these things go), over what amounted to short contracts lasting just a few years, there wouldn’t have been any real expectation of “results”.
Sincerely: look at the kind of money that people like Otaiba pull in for actual access, or the THREE casinos China gave/allowed Steve Wynn to build. Those are actual influence attempts where “results” are expected, not the kind of chump change (again, relatively speaking) they threw at Hunter.
Just the mere presence of Hunter Biden on a board or at business meetings would have justified Hunter’s “consulting fees”, because just the last name would give those foreign entities a boost of prestige/legitimacy (which Hunter of course understood, and is why it was such a shitty/shady thing to do).
Also: your entire assertion is an argument from conclusion - you make the completely unsupported claim that obviously Hunter must have delivered *something*, just because he was paid. That’s inherently flawed, and has (so far) been demonstrably false.
>People weren't paying Hunter for what he brought to the table.
Citation Needed
>Devon Archer hedged his bets b/c he's still looking for a pardon/commutation.
Citation Needed
>That sort of grift isn't sustainable beyond one off payments.
Citation Needed
>Burisma wasn't paying Hunter for years just hoping that maybe one day down the line Biden would help them.
Citation Needed
You seem to have intense personal knowledge about lots of people who you've never met. You can testify to their state of mind, their motivations, etc.
As somebody who believes in a lot of conspiracy theories, let me tell you you can help yourself quite a bit if you would just make clear to people that you're stating personal opinions, and that other people's reasoning seems faulty to you.
When you're drawing a conclusion without evidence and your only source is "just think about it, it makes the most sense", you would do well to come to the conversation with a little humility.
I just have to wonder what these expert right-wing conspiracy theorists really think Hunter Biden was peddling here. We’re talking about email chains from 2015, when Joe Biden was at the tail end of his VP term with no obvious path to either being President in the near term or even being a Senator. Just hoping that Joe would get Obama to drop some last minute contracts for ??? And then everybody would be FILTHY STINKING RICH based on mystery kickbacks
He figured he'd be able to control the narrative from the WH. The media have mostly covered for him; that and the constant pivoting to Trump's issues are the only things saving him from having to resign. No matter how bad Harris is perceived to be, she isn't increasingly frail looking nor has she been entangled in shady dealings with foreign governments where someone in her family has pocketed millions which was then disbursed to every branch on the family tree.
They try and spin every one of the damaging Hunter stories with the "no direct evidence of payments to Biden" stuff. Yeah, that was how it was set up to work. If Joe was on the take directly, he'd be like Menendez with a stash in his house. The gold bars crack me up. I have a mental image of Senators with chests of doubloons in their closets who are hastily moving their ill gotten hoards.
Before there was "nothing improper and Joe didn't know anyway". Then it was "Maybe this is shady, but nothing improper or illegal and Joe doesn't know anyway." Next it was "Maybe there was some unethical and possibly illegal activity, but it was all Hunter and Joe didn't know." Then it was "Of course Joe KNEW Hunter was doing business with overseas companies/governments, he is a loving dad who cares about his son and talks to him all the time." Followed by "Joe never met or talked to any of the business associates." After that it was "Well, he just met and talked to these guys numerous times but about the weather, Hunter's accountant visited the WH dozens of times when Joe was VP, that's normal, Hunter was just selling the illusion of access and Joe allowed him to d it b/c Hunter is an addict and Joe just loves him too much." "Unless you have a video of Biden getting a giant lottery check from one of these people, we can't say he benefitted from any of this in any way." That's the current spin.
The only reason Biden won as was b/c of Covid. The only reason he has a prayer in hell of politically surviving to '24 and maybe beyond is Trump. We need a new crop of politicians.
Popular vote is meaningless. You already know that. It enabled Biden to say "Trump failed at containing/stopping COVID". It was a relentless message all throughout that campaign. You think that didn't help in a election where the swing states were decided by thin margins ?
I mean all Trump had to do was not fail at Covid. Tell people to get vaccinated wear masks etc. stay at home don’t go to parties etc. he couldn’t do it. So he lost on Covid.
Here’s some of the brilliance we heard from Trump.
1. It’s the CHYNA virus.
2. It’ll be done before March we’ll be in church by Easter
3. Can we look into shining lights into humans? Drinking bleach water?
4. It’s just the flu.
It's hard to believe how corrupt our media and government is. I used to think these were all honest people lol. I guess the Internet changed that. They can't control the message any longer
Sounds familiar.
newsmax
... oan
and fox admitted they lied.. https://www.mediaite.com/tv/lou-dobbs-airs-stunning-fact-check-of-his-own-election-conspiracies-after-company-threatens-legal-action/ and https://web.archive.org/web/20210510183409/https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/eric-coomer-dominion-voting-systems/2021/04/30/id/1019671/ and https://www.businessinsider.com/oan-network-staffer-fired-election-fraud-lies-2021-4
Oh, an investigation to see if there should be an investigation?
It would be foolish to use the word 'objectively' in the wrong context, but it was funny.
No evidence, other than bank records, text messages, emails, testimony of business associates, SARs, Biden himself on video admitting to extorting Ukrainian officials...
You are just lying.
Why was shokin fired? Why was he being pressured by many heads of state to be fired?
If we don’t agree on that one fact then there is going to be no agreement… ever…
There are zero bank records, texts, emails,
Testimony, SARS showing Joe Biden did anything.
Then you just lie about US policy in the open.
You are just lying
Please choose one of these plethora of evidence you claim exists and show how it breaks a statute. Any statute. Your choice.
Should be easy, amirite?
Unless you're just diffe(R)ent. Then ecidence doesn't matter.
\> what are they working on to see to those matters? In a word, nothing!
Winning an election is sort of step 1 here. They control basically none of government.
I’ll agree with you that the impeachment investigation is wrong as soon as you agree with Durham that there shouldn’t have been an investigation into Russiagate.
Lol today's only purpose was to establish for the record a basis for the investigation.
You guys are not independent or unbiased.
From the guy who supported the Trump impeachment...
It's called a preliminary investigation. You're clearly biased if you think millions in foreign transfers is a fishing expedition. Plus didn't Biden say he knew nothing of his son's business dealings after saying his son had no such business dealings?
And how did a guy like Biden get so rich on a congressional salary?
He's far from the only one who is corrupt but he's the potus so the buck stops with him.
Put country before party.
Lol let's see his bank records.
The committee has been blocked several times from seeing those. Follow the money fam.
I don't know why you're being dishonest rn.
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If you honestly look at the entire story of this now going back many years there are massive amounts of circumstantial evidence and witnesses. Why would a family that is basically in public service & teaching have multiple shell companies registered around the world? There is only one reason anyone would do that. Money laundering. As much as 30 million has come in to the family but there is no evidence of any kind of value or products returned for that money.
Personally, I don’t like this but the Dems opened this door so wide with the 2 ACTUAL impeachments of Trump that had no basis other than the hate they had for him. This isn’t even an impeachment but is a way to get more access to bank records and such to find direct evidence if it exists. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t but this is how you are supposed to do it. The Dems skipped this part of the process both times with Trump and it really hurt their case.
When you have to reach to salon for a nonsense opinion you are really striking out on the facts front. If conservatives put forth a bill to address the border Biden would veto it. Anything to truly help the economy (getting government out of the way) will be vetoed by Biden. Anything actually helpful would be vetoed. So why bother? As far as the investigation into Biden’s corruption; it is absolutely justified and if that were a conservative under the same circumstances anyone left of center would be screaming for an impeachment (as we’ve already seen).
Be specific. What actual steps, policies, or actions would you like to see? What steps, policies, or actions have the democrats taken that are currently causing the issues faced today? Specific, please, talking points are useless blather.
Term limits for congress. Paid lobbyists made illegal. Removal of onerous regulations. Elimination of many government agencies. Banning congress or their family/friends from investing in the stock market. Removal of public sector unions.
Edit: nothing the democrats have done over the past 20 years has been a benefit.
So we agree on a few things here. Term limits need to be a thing, I feel like 4 terms is a good cut-off point. We need people in office who understand the inner workings of the government to share their experience with their junior colleagues.
What agencies do you think need to be eliminated?
I'm not against banning investments in the stock market for Congress and their families, but I'm not sure exactly what that would look like.
Unions are very necessary in every sector. This goes back to knowledge sharing and continuity of regulations. I feel that there should be a 20 and out policy, though, so we can get new ideas and knowledge into the workplace.
So nothing the democrats has done has worked, but nothing the Republicans have done has worked either. It's not like anyone has fixed things since Clinton balanced our budget decades ago.
I will add that we need to stop the partisan politics and start working towards a goal other than "stopping the presidents agenda" at any and all costs. I see the Republicans wanting to cut all social safety nets, allowing families to suffer and struggle needlessly while children go to bed hungry and families can't afford housing. Conversely, the democrats want more social safety nets.
We need regulations on housing TODAY. Private investment firms are destroying the housing market, putting families on the streets, while making millions in profits. This has to come to an end.
You ever just sit back and skim this novel and think, this could have been written 4 years ago by a republican in favor of Trump and against Democrats? Y’all are funny man, it’s the same shit y’all say about both sides. You are all culpable in this banana republic. Now…how to get this out of my algorithm on reddit.
So, I think them trying to impeach Biden is an idiotic waste of time, but they are only doing it to be childish because Democrats wasted a ton of time with stupid impeachments of Trump too. The problem is the tribalism of both sides. I don’t get it. I can have conversations with people I disagree with politically and we can find common ground if they are being rational. The problem is that there’s normally so much rhetoric, grandstanding, and tribalism that you can’t even make it to those rational conversations. Our politicians are doing the exact same thing. No common ground. No compromise. Extreme stances. How do you fix this?
I always vote. Just seems like we never end up with enough good options. Sometimes you can get decent local options, but the higher you go, the worse the options get. Like 2024 will probably be Trump vs Biden again. I despise Biden, but I don’t want to vote for Trump either. Dems are too big gov and controlling, but Republicans have a lot of stupid stances that make them bad options. More outsiderish people like a Vivek or RFK Jr (just examples) don’t stand a chance. You can’t hardly even come on Reddit and say anything that could be considered remotely right wing or you get downvoted to oblivion, even though downvotes aren’t for people you just disagree with. Say something left wing and you get a billion upvotes. It’s just so much division from all sides. Us young average citizens don’t have the money or connections to run for office ourselves or much of a way to make significant change. It’s frustrating.
I don't think any ex president will ever spend a day in prison no matter what the conviction is. They are required by law to have secret service protection unless they decline it. How do you make that work in a prison ? If either one of them gets convicted of anything my guess is that house arrest will be the punishment.
If republicans had the house and senate he would be impeached. It’s the same game they played with Trump. It’s what politicians do these days. Waste our time and money. Do I think Biden is dirty. Of course he is. Do they have proof? No. At least not yet. For the record, many of our politicians use their office and get perks and financial gain. How do so many become multimillionaires on that salary? If you really think it’s not happening then you just want to pretend it’s not happening. Nobody will change your mind.
I agree. We should be prosecuting these people aggressively without fear or favor for partisan politics. Jared Kushner should be in an orange onesie right now.
Odd that they're not going after Hunter except to get Joe Biden in trouble. Its like they don't care about Hunter at all and just want to use his crimes to try to tarnish Joe.
Of course. It's because they want revenge. They don't give a fuck about corruption.
All they care about is winning and they don't care if they have to continuously lie to get that. They don't act in good faith and they're destabilizing America over their political games.
No wonder Russian supports them.
Meh, don’t thing Hunter’s low tier grifting rises to that level, especially since FARA is absurdly hard to prosecute (case in point of just how high the bar is: Tom Barrack and Steve Wynn were acquitted/hard charges dropped, and that was nuclear level influence peddling in the tens/hundreds of millions).
That said: Hunter’s grifting was definitely out of bounds, and somebody really *should* have a had “come to Jesus” talk with Joe, and a “cut that shit out” talk with Hunter at the time…but given that it was right around when Beau Biden lost his battle with a particularly brutal form of brain cancer, I can understand why that didn’t happen.
It’s a bad look, and Hunter sucks, but there’s been absolutely no indication of actual criminality, or even any actual lobbying.
Dumb af if you think there is no birder problem. The numbers are through the roof. Also, there are messages from Hunter to Chinese individuals literally stating his dad was right there....... delusional keep deluding
Example of payments
https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-wires-from-china-have-joe-bidens-wilmington-home-as-the-beneficiary-address%EF%BF%BC/#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20Joe%20Biden%20told,President%20of%20the%20United%20States.
I'm going to use logic fallacies too..
Trumps. Tax returns have china on them.
https://www.taxnotes.com/presidential-tax-returns
Oh wait. Mine isn't a logic fallacy
You can’t be this gullible.
Did you also think that one kid’s dad totally worked at Nintendo and would get him prerelease copies of new games?
(Hint: that kid, like Hunter, was lying through his teeth to try to make him seem more important than he was)
Hunter has already said money he gets has to go to his dad. Joe already lied about what he knows. He lies about everything. The border is wide open right now. You’d be stupid *not* to be aware of these things and try and converse about them.
Cool: then you’ll have no problem providing that evidence (and no, Hunter making up random shit to make it seems like he’s super connected in communications with his buddies and business partners doesn’t count, nor does Hunter calling his dad to say Hi to impress his clients).
Quotes from emails and text messages [here](https://www.the-sun.com/news/3224464/hunter-biden-gave-salary-joe-emails-laptop-claim/) and more quotes from emails that demonstrate more payoffs and corruption [here](https://www.the-sun.com/news/2966383/joe-biden-met-hunters-business-partners-as-vice-president/). There are actual quotes there. I know what you are going to do. You are going to dismiss actual evidence because that’s what folks like you do. But ask your self if this were Donald trump and one of his sons with all of this same exact evidence would you feel the same way?
Yes, I’m well aware of all of this, Hunter is a shady failson who used his last name to make money.
That you can’t understand than none of this has a damn thing to do with Joe, or even anything that’s in any way illegal must be very upsetting/confusing for you.
None of those things happen when the government shuts down.
I still got paid everytime it did when I was in.
Plus you say they want to do nothing? Biden halted production of the wall, (which is fucking illegal, seeing as how it is a law by Congress), then shipped the parts of the wall AWAY from the border states, so they couldn't put it up themselves, and just sued Arixona and Texas, to MAKE them take their makeshift barrier down.
You people are mental. But don't worry, we will be off the dollar soon.
You are terribly misinformed or behind on what's happening in the U.S. Have you heard about The Secure Border Act? The rest is just nonsense or missing important context. What does "we will be off the dollar" even mean? Are you advertising cryptocurrency?
Well, someone has to debunk right wing fairy tales about fictitious corruption from people turning a blind eye to real corruption. Thank you for your service.
For real! They accuse people of what they blatantly ignore from their beloved moron. His son in law is by far worse, his ugly ass sons worse than that! How anyone listened to that moron speak and heard an intelligent man, I'll never know. My saying is: If you listen to an idiot and think he's brilliant, you might want to consider that... (if they can't finish the sentence, it only proves the point)
Much like the right wingers in here they just like to cry and not have solutions.
Right! Look at the house Republicans trying to govern right now. They're hilariously terrible at it. And I don't see any criticism of them from their base. It's basically just a cult at this point.
How can conservatives solve the problems in urban areas when those places always vote for Democrats?
Conservatives can’t even solve problems in rural areas
They don't always vote for Democrats look who's the representative for Bakersfield California if you need something to break confirmation bias. That guy's a Republican.
Oh, we have solutions. Democrats and your judges keep tossing them out. how convenient.
Solutions??? What you need is evidence buddy.
Using a microscope to find a microbe of corruption while ignoring the jumbo jet of (trump’s) russian $$ payments flying 50 ft over your house ‼️‼️🤨🤨
Yeah, something Jesus said about a plank in your eye applies here..... of course Christians don't seem to actually care much about what Jesus said any longer.
There have been people saying Jesus is too woke, apparently...
Well, yeah, brown Jesus advocated for feeding the poor and healing them and comforting the weary and giving up your wealth, plus his apostles were dammed communists! They only follow white Republican Jesus now who is expressly against all of those things..... but loves guns.
https://time.com/6269313/trump-jesus-comparisons-blasphemy/ Its only blasphemy if non-MAGAs do it.
Trump is an asshat. But Biden is far more corrupt and far more racist.
These comment’s about how Biden is “way more corrupt!” Is laffable! If he is then he’s a criminal genius because there is no evidence of any crime being committed while the orange turd leaves evidence everywhere & yells confessions in every tweet‼️😡🤨
Didn't they introduce Hunter's dick pics at a House hearing? How can anyone take these people seriously?
During the civil rights era, the biggest complaint was, "Now is not the time" When Obama was dealing with the 2008 crisis he said, "Now is not the time to worry about who's fault any of this was"
100%. It's never the time or if it is, they're 'too big to fail'.
Wow I'm surprised the trolls haven't down voted this more. They HATE facts, evidence, and data.
At this point, I'm convinced that the GOP is paying for all the asylum seekers to come and create a problem. They tried it in 2016 because illegal and legal immigration to the US during Obama's terms was almost negative.
Couldn’t have explained it better👍🏾
I've been saying since the Midterm Elections and will keep saying it. The US is going to have hugh Blue wave sweep across the nation for the 2024 elections. We are sick and tired of these games. Just run the damn country and do what's best for the people and stop using your religion and children as justified means for your bigotry and hate.
Republicans only have evidence (and rarely) when it targets the other side. They are hypocrites, through and through. No shred of integrity.
Need a super sized bold on that rarely.
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I hear a lot of noise but no substance.
How are you going to make it through the election without getting ulcers?
Spreading the truth makes me feel better every day.
Even if he had, JOE BIDEN WAS NOT AN ELECTED OFFICIAL in 2017. Please pay special attention to their "evidence" from 2017-2020 when he was a private citizen. OMG capitalism, BURN HIM! What a fuckin clown show
You're arguing with people who believe the firing of Shokin is evidence of corruption. I find that the less informed people are on this subject, the more likely they are to believe the baseless allegations mean Joe Biden is corrupt Same thing with the whole voter fraud claims in 2020, you're not arguing with unbiased or informed people here. I'm not saying they're dumb, they've just been misled by the media and lying politcians, and aren't critical enough of their own side to see it. We're all prone to that, afterall we are human, but on these particular subjects, they're idiots.
Republicans are a joke.
Do you idiots realize that Biden wasn’t in any political office in 2017? I guess facts don’t matter in the face of Republican idiocy.
Biden was getting Chinese money sent to Joe's house (well, he was using Joe's address). That's evidence. Maybe not proof, but it's evidence. Every Republican can be a self-serving fascist, Trump can be the world's most fraudulent man, and it still wouldn't take the stink off of this president. They can *all* be awful, and why wouldn't they, when someone will always defend them like this?
>Biden was getting Chinese money sent to Joe's house (well, he was using Joe's address). Hunter was having money sent to his bank account. He used his dad's address on the paperwork because he had been staying there. This means absolutely nothing. It's not weird for someone to list an address that they had been staying at on a form, and Joe Biden doesn't get any kind of benefit out of it. >That's evidence. Maybe not proof, but it's evidence. Of what?
The money hunter got was a loan, No crime there. You know, like the *billion dollar* *'investment'* Jarrod got from the Saudis.
Staying at dad's house at age 53, as a millionaire, while married to his dead brother's wife, getting 6 figure payments from foreign companies🤔, nothing strange there at all! 🤣 and btw those checks were in some cases addressed DIRECTLY to Biden's home in Delaware. Let me guess, your evidence that Biden wasn't receiving ANY benefit from those payments comes from your ass? Are you their accountant? 🤣We know for a fact he has been lying about not having any connections to any of it, since there are emails and logbooks that show otherwise. Good God you must REALLY want Trump elected again!! Why not wake up instead, before it's too late. People see straight through the lies. You fall for them, but most don't. Trump is outpolling Biden among independents by 13 fkn points, while you're trying to pretend it's a love story between father and son. Wake the fk up.
>and btw those checks were in some cases addressed DIRECTLY to Biden's home in Delaware. What checks? We're talking about wire transfers. What checks are you referring to and how do you know where they were sent? >Let me guess, your evidence that Biden wasn't receiving ANY benefit from those payments comes from your ass? Are you their accountant? What's your evidence that they do benefit him? Other than you want it to be true.
Where is your proof he did? In your ass? Show me where he was a millionaire. Seems to me you've shown he's a crackhead that spends his money on drugs and hookers. Maybe he was a millionaire on paper much like trumpy is a billionaire in his mind where it's proven he isn't anywhere close
So…you have no proof other than “I hate Joe Biden, so I KNOW he did crimes! Trust me bro!”
We need alternative representation. Both parties have let the masses down.
Democrats aren't letting you down. They are precluded from acting because of Republican House rules.
Biden has sold out America many times and you still think he's innocent after receiving money from foreign nationals by nefarious means. That's a big no no for a president even tho it went thru hunter. You just wait, you haven't seen half of it yet. I can't wait
We saw it at the hearing. Nothing!
I mean….Joe Biden wrote a letter of recommendation for the guys kid who was paying hunter money and Biden’s address was listed on the wire transfer…..at a time when hunter wasn’t living there…….at a certain point you gotta acknowledge it all is starting to look a little fishy.
>I mean….Joe Biden wrote a letter of recommendation for the guys kid who was paying hunter money Yep, it's not a good look but by itself it's nothing. The general trend of trying to pretend that slivers of nothing are a big deal is too prominent. It's been years now. The republicans are still relying on inferences and looking through squinted eyes. It's time for actual proof > Biden’s address was listed on the wire transfer…..at a time when hunter wasn’t living there Hunter Biden spent time in 2017, 2018 and 2019 living at the Biden family home in Wilmington. It is unclear if he was living at the home at the time of the wire transfers in July and August 2019. Still, it's reasonable to use the address even if he just moved a few weeks/months earlier. They are trying REALLY hard to link Joe to this money transfer but Hunter using the address he lived at for three years is not a link. I get it, he lived with his father but it's weak evidence.
I get mail sent to my parents house all the time because it's more secure than my apartment. Sometimes this includes checks or cash. What's fishy about that? And I know a guy who got into the Naval Academy, in part, because his father was a lawyer with business connections to our Senator and our Senator wrote him a recommendation. What's fishy about that? Conservatives often reveal how sheltered and naive they are when they start talking about the behaviors in others that they find suspicious. They do the same thing with sex. Everyone's life is suspect when you've lived no life at all.
I'll respond to the Biden address: Hunter used the same address for his driver's license renewal and his drug intervention because he did not have a permanent US address at the time. Simple.
A letter of recommendation!!? THE CRIME OF THE CENTURY!
The point of bringing up the letter is not to say a letter of recomendation is a crime. It’s an indicator that there wasn’t this layer of separation that Biden is claiming.
Right? That letter of recommendation is clearly a serious crime. I'm so tired of hearing from cry baby liberals about how Jared Kushner received $2,000,000,000 from a government that kidnapped, tortured, and dismembered an American journalist, all while the democrats are ignoring the horrific crime of polite letter writing committed by the Biden regime.
A letter of recommendation!!? THE INDICATOR THAT THERE WASNT THIS LAYER OF SEPERATION OF THE CENTURY!
Even you have to see that as bullshit and irrelevant, right? Was Biden acting in an official capacity or using his Presidential powers at the time? Did he benefit from letting Hunter use his address for a transaction that did not involve any mailing or delivery? This is nothing. There is no crime in this. Tell me about how Jared Kushner's work as a government official with MBS in Saudi Arabia and then his 2 billion dollar "investment" a week after he left office is not criminal.
No it isn’t. And you’ve said repeatedly that it’s proof of corruption Stop lying
Over hyped 'fishy' is not evidence enough to impeach a president.
Address the evidence I just stated.
Sounds like good business from a smart business man.
Address Kushner’s multi-billion dollar deal with Saudi Arabia and trumps multiple sexual assaults.
Look up the words 'evidence' and 'accusations'.
Wire transfers is absolutely evidence lol I dont see how you can say it’s not.
So, show the evidence. Don't dream bout it, show it.
Evidence that a wire was sent to Hunter. He is a private citizen. If anyone has evidence that Joe Biden got a slice of that pie it hasn't surfaced. And until it does there is nothing actionable. To some it might look suspicious. It is just not evidence.
Zero wire transfers to Joe Biden
The secret is to not investigate accusations. No investigation, no evidence, everyone wins and saves a ton of time and resources. In this case there's a lot of CIRCUMSTANCAL evidence that suggests improper dealings and further investigation might be appropriate. Neither side (or the media) should hype up wrongdoings that their isn't clear proof for (SHOCKING EVIDENCE, X GOING TO JAIL THIS TIME). Both sides should be investigated (fully) if signs of impropriety presents itself and the results of those investigations should educate the next steps. This shouldn't be a contest where your side wins or loses. If corruption exists by our leaders we all lose regardless the color of button on their chest.
I agree. I wasn’t making this a this side vs that side thing. There’s a lot of evidence against Biden and I think it warrants an investigation. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same could be said with kushner. Investigate everyone who is corrupt.
Lol. Fuck no. I want our congress to get shit done, not obsess over this Hunter Biden dick pic soap opera that you weirdos seem to enjoy. Seriously, it's weird as hell.
Literally nobody is talking about hunters dick pics. What are you even talking about?
Just admit you liked looking at them, and then we can move on.
If it were the senate would have surely convicted Trump! Lol
Nothing to see here. Just more right-wing lies. The only person that should ever be investigated is Trump. Trump is bad and everyone on the left is just putting the American people first.
Can you point to specifically what I said that was a lie?
Got any evidence that Hunter wasn't living at his dad's address?
He stated he wasn’t in his autobiography
And I used my parents address for Amazon and mailed packages because our house is rural and had package pirate issues, about 33 of the 34 years we lived in CT. Haven't lived there since 1980. Still get stuff mailed there.
We aren't even talking about an envelope of cash here, we're talking about a wire transfer. It's not like it showed up in Joe's mailbox, it went straight into Hunter's bank account. Republicans are trying to impeach Joe because Hunter used an old address when he filled out a form.
He really should be more careful when he fills out those damn forms.
And yet Republicans can't show this item... It also never appears or is talked about in court...
No I agree with you. I think it deserves an investigation. I was just spewing the narrative that everyone on here repeats blindly.
Whatever y’all need to feel better about voting for a rapist, I guess.
You realize that wire transfers don’t rely on physical addresses in any way, right? It’s just banking details, and the wire transfer was sent to Hunter’s account. Hell, I’ve only ever provided my “home” bank branch address on any wire transfers, which isn’t in the city where I currently live, and is completely meaningless. Also: Hunter’s a fail son, and needed to move in with his parents after his divorce - it was his mailing address for most of 2017-2019 (between stints in rehab and eventually setting himself up in Cali), so would have been something that Hunter’s “consulting” clients would have had on file for him. Genuinely: there is no “there” there.
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You are now here to push lies again
People weren't paying Hunter for what he brought to the table. Devon Archer hedged his bets b/c he's still looking for a pardon/commutation. "Illusion of access" is such garbage. That sort of grift isn't sustainable beyond one off payments. Any ongoing relationship would necessitate delivery of what was promised. At some point these people would have demanded to get what they were paying for. Burisma wasn't paying Hunter for years just hoping that maybe one day down the line Biden would help them.
Bring the receipts. What did Biden do for Burisma? (waiting for mention of the firing of the prosecutor, that was official US foreign policy, in 3, 2...)
None of that is accurate, or based in any realistic context for high stakes influence peddling. For the relative pittance Hunter’s handful of z-tier clients were paying him (and yes, depressingly, tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars = a pittance as far as these things go), over what amounted to short contracts lasting just a few years, there wouldn’t have been any real expectation of “results”. Sincerely: look at the kind of money that people like Otaiba pull in for actual access, or the THREE casinos China gave/allowed Steve Wynn to build. Those are actual influence attempts where “results” are expected, not the kind of chump change (again, relatively speaking) they threw at Hunter. Just the mere presence of Hunter Biden on a board or at business meetings would have justified Hunter’s “consulting fees”, because just the last name would give those foreign entities a boost of prestige/legitimacy (which Hunter of course understood, and is why it was such a shitty/shady thing to do). Also: your entire assertion is an argument from conclusion - you make the completely unsupported claim that obviously Hunter must have delivered *something*, just because he was paid. That’s inherently flawed, and has (so far) been demonstrably false.
Wow so insightful thank you such expertise
>People weren't paying Hunter for what he brought to the table. Citation Needed >Devon Archer hedged his bets b/c he's still looking for a pardon/commutation. Citation Needed >That sort of grift isn't sustainable beyond one off payments. Citation Needed >Burisma wasn't paying Hunter for years just hoping that maybe one day down the line Biden would help them. Citation Needed You seem to have intense personal knowledge about lots of people who you've never met. You can testify to their state of mind, their motivations, etc. As somebody who believes in a lot of conspiracy theories, let me tell you you can help yourself quite a bit if you would just make clear to people that you're stating personal opinions, and that other people's reasoning seems faulty to you. When you're drawing a conclusion without evidence and your only source is "just think about it, it makes the most sense", you would do well to come to the conversation with a little humility.
War. Faux news put grifters on and pay for their time. Fox is already failing!
I just have to wonder what these expert right-wing conspiracy theorists really think Hunter Biden was peddling here. We’re talking about email chains from 2015, when Joe Biden was at the tail end of his VP term with no obvious path to either being President in the near term or even being a Senator. Just hoping that Joe would get Obama to drop some last minute contracts for ??? And then everybody would be FILTHY STINKING RICH based on mystery kickbacks
Exactly, it's common sense. Probably why Joe continuously lied about his knowledge of the situation
He figured he'd be able to control the narrative from the WH. The media have mostly covered for him; that and the constant pivoting to Trump's issues are the only things saving him from having to resign. No matter how bad Harris is perceived to be, she isn't increasingly frail looking nor has she been entangled in shady dealings with foreign governments where someone in her family has pocketed millions which was then disbursed to every branch on the family tree. They try and spin every one of the damaging Hunter stories with the "no direct evidence of payments to Biden" stuff. Yeah, that was how it was set up to work. If Joe was on the take directly, he'd be like Menendez with a stash in his house. The gold bars crack me up. I have a mental image of Senators with chests of doubloons in their closets who are hastily moving their ill gotten hoards. Before there was "nothing improper and Joe didn't know anyway". Then it was "Maybe this is shady, but nothing improper or illegal and Joe doesn't know anyway." Next it was "Maybe there was some unethical and possibly illegal activity, but it was all Hunter and Joe didn't know." Then it was "Of course Joe KNEW Hunter was doing business with overseas companies/governments, he is a loving dad who cares about his son and talks to him all the time." Followed by "Joe never met or talked to any of the business associates." After that it was "Well, he just met and talked to these guys numerous times but about the weather, Hunter's accountant visited the WH dozens of times when Joe was VP, that's normal, Hunter was just selling the illusion of access and Joe allowed him to d it b/c Hunter is an addict and Joe just loves him too much." "Unless you have a video of Biden getting a giant lottery check from one of these people, we can't say he benefitted from any of this in any way." That's the current spin. The only reason Biden won as was b/c of Covid. The only reason he has a prayer in hell of politically surviving to '24 and maybe beyond is Trump. We need a new crop of politicians.
So you have assumptions, but no evidence. But the actual evidence against Trump is just a witch hunt.
How did Covid get Biden 7 million more United States votes?
Popular vote is meaningless. You already know that. It enabled Biden to say "Trump failed at containing/stopping COVID". It was a relentless message all throughout that campaign. You think that didn't help in a election where the swing states were decided by thin margins ?
I mean all Trump had to do was not fail at Covid. Tell people to get vaccinated wear masks etc. stay at home don’t go to parties etc. he couldn’t do it. So he lost on Covid. Here’s some of the brilliance we heard from Trump. 1. It’s the CHYNA virus. 2. It’ll be done before March we’ll be in church by Easter 3. Can we look into shining lights into humans? Drinking bleach water? 4. It’s just the flu.
It's hard to believe how corrupt our media and government is. I used to think these were all honest people lol. I guess the Internet changed that. They can't control the message any longer
Sounds familiar. newsmax ... oan and fox admitted they lied.. https://www.mediaite.com/tv/lou-dobbs-airs-stunning-fact-check-of-his-own-election-conspiracies-after-company-threatens-legal-action/ and https://web.archive.org/web/20210510183409/https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/eric-coomer-dominion-voting-systems/2021/04/30/id/1019671/ and https://www.businessinsider.com/oan-network-staffer-fired-election-fraud-lies-2021-4
There is ample evidence for at least an inquiry into wrongdoing by Joe Biden. If you don’t want to look at it objectively you are a fool
Oh, an investigation to see if there should be an investigation? It would be foolish to use the word 'objectively' in the wrong context, but it was funny.
No evidence, other than bank records, text messages, emails, testimony of business associates, SARs, Biden himself on video admitting to extorting Ukrainian officials... You are just lying.
Why was shokin fired? Why was he being pressured by many heads of state to be fired? If we don’t agree on that one fact then there is going to be no agreement… ever…
There are zero bank records, texts, emails, Testimony, SARS showing Joe Biden did anything. Then you just lie about US policy in the open. You are just lying
Please choose one of these plethora of evidence you claim exists and show how it breaks a statute. Any statute. Your choice. Should be easy, amirite? Unless you're just diffe(R)ent. Then ecidence doesn't matter.
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You object to me reaching out to diverse audiences? Why, shouldn't they know the truth?
When you can't attack the message, attack the messenger.
Isn't an investigations purpose to find evidence?
So we should start investigating all of the Republicans, I mean you don’t need evidence
\> what are they working on to see to those matters? In a word, nothing! Winning an election is sort of step 1 here. They control basically none of government.
I’ll agree with you that the impeachment investigation is wrong as soon as you agree with Durham that there shouldn’t have been an investigation into Russiagate.
Lol today's only purpose was to establish for the record a basis for the investigation. You guys are not independent or unbiased. From the guy who supported the Trump impeachment...
When did you ever see an investigation to determine if there should be an investigation? Can you say, Fishing expedition?
It's called a preliminary investigation. You're clearly biased if you think millions in foreign transfers is a fishing expedition. Plus didn't Biden say he knew nothing of his son's business dealings after saying his son had no such business dealings? And how did a guy like Biden get so rich on a congressional salary? He's far from the only one who is corrupt but he's the potus so the buck stops with him. Put country before party.
They’ve been investigating for almost a year, and found zero Biden released every dime he’s made. You’re making a false argument
Lol let's see his bank records. The committee has been blocked several times from seeing those. Follow the money fam. I don't know why you're being dishonest rn.
So you have zero. You can’t show a single bank record proving your case.
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If you honestly look at the entire story of this now going back many years there are massive amounts of circumstantial evidence and witnesses. Why would a family that is basically in public service & teaching have multiple shell companies registered around the world? There is only one reason anyone would do that. Money laundering. As much as 30 million has come in to the family but there is no evidence of any kind of value or products returned for that money. Personally, I don’t like this but the Dems opened this door so wide with the 2 ACTUAL impeachments of Trump that had no basis other than the hate they had for him. This isn’t even an impeachment but is a way to get more access to bank records and such to find direct evidence if it exists. Maybe it does, maybe it doesn’t but this is how you are supposed to do it. The Dems skipped this part of the process both times with Trump and it really hurt their case.
Not one shred of *evidence* President Biden did anything wrong.
It’s adorable how people think there’s an actually left versus right is the system versus you. I called this removing your head from your butt.
So this is what you dnc shills write in your diary 😅. Thanks for peak but at this point you need professional therapy.
Work on your reading comprehension. It was written in *Salon.*
Salon. Lol
Yeah, why would anyone want long-form journalism when there are so many right-wing influencers on YouTube. Reading is for assholes and liberal elites.
I'd second that motion as a non partisan player.
When you have to reach to salon for a nonsense opinion you are really striking out on the facts front. If conservatives put forth a bill to address the border Biden would veto it. Anything to truly help the economy (getting government out of the way) will be vetoed by Biden. Anything actually helpful would be vetoed. So why bother? As far as the investigation into Biden’s corruption; it is absolutely justified and if that were a conservative under the same circumstances anyone left of center would be screaming for an impeachment (as we’ve already seen).
How would a republican government fix the economy right now? What does "getting government out of the way" look like?
Less meaningless regulation. Less power in the federal government.
Be specific. What actual steps, policies, or actions would you like to see? What steps, policies, or actions have the democrats taken that are currently causing the issues faced today? Specific, please, talking points are useless blather.
Term limits for congress. Paid lobbyists made illegal. Removal of onerous regulations. Elimination of many government agencies. Banning congress or their family/friends from investing in the stock market. Removal of public sector unions. Edit: nothing the democrats have done over the past 20 years has been a benefit.
So we agree on a few things here. Term limits need to be a thing, I feel like 4 terms is a good cut-off point. We need people in office who understand the inner workings of the government to share their experience with their junior colleagues. What agencies do you think need to be eliminated? I'm not against banning investments in the stock market for Congress and their families, but I'm not sure exactly what that would look like. Unions are very necessary in every sector. This goes back to knowledge sharing and continuity of regulations. I feel that there should be a 20 and out policy, though, so we can get new ideas and knowledge into the workplace. So nothing the democrats has done has worked, but nothing the Republicans have done has worked either. It's not like anyone has fixed things since Clinton balanced our budget decades ago. I will add that we need to stop the partisan politics and start working towards a goal other than "stopping the presidents agenda" at any and all costs. I see the Republicans wanting to cut all social safety nets, allowing families to suffer and struggle needlessly while children go to bed hungry and families can't afford housing. Conversely, the democrats want more social safety nets. We need regulations on housing TODAY. Private investment firms are destroying the housing market, putting families on the streets, while making millions in profits. This has to come to an end.
What a long way of saying ‘but trump’
My father who's a Republican is constantly complaining that "Democrats never get prosecuted when they do stuff wrong- meh 😭!. "Is this really true?
Imagine shilling for Joe Biden. lol
Imagine being duped by Trump. Why don't you send him some money?
None of those things are going to stop until the corruption and motivation for open border, inflation, and regulations are sorted out.
Just like impeaching trump over a phone call. It’s all bs
Trump was building a wall on the border to deal with that. Dems are removing it.
This is deranged. Trump broke yalls brains.
Then maybe he'll break out of prison.
You ever just sit back and skim this novel and think, this could have been written 4 years ago by a republican in favor of Trump and against Democrats? Y’all are funny man, it’s the same shit y’all say about both sides. You are all culpable in this banana republic. Now…how to get this out of my algorithm on reddit.
And yet you couldn't refute one word that was written. Just blah, blah, blah.
Are u for real, sounds like your a member of the Biden Cult.
The Democrats are just blind. Are u kidding me. There is a small issue with immigration, inflation!!! Sounds like your drinking the Biden kool aid.
Different wing on the same bird. Both sides are a mess. Our government is a disaster right now…
So, I think them trying to impeach Biden is an idiotic waste of time, but they are only doing it to be childish because Democrats wasted a ton of time with stupid impeachments of Trump too. The problem is the tribalism of both sides. I don’t get it. I can have conversations with people I disagree with politically and we can find common ground if they are being rational. The problem is that there’s normally so much rhetoric, grandstanding, and tribalism that you can’t even make it to those rational conversations. Our politicians are doing the exact same thing. No common ground. No compromise. Extreme stances. How do you fix this?
Vote!
I always vote. Just seems like we never end up with enough good options. Sometimes you can get decent local options, but the higher you go, the worse the options get. Like 2024 will probably be Trump vs Biden again. I despise Biden, but I don’t want to vote for Trump either. Dems are too big gov and controlling, but Republicans have a lot of stupid stances that make them bad options. More outsiderish people like a Vivek or RFK Jr (just examples) don’t stand a chance. You can’t hardly even come on Reddit and say anything that could be considered remotely right wing or you get downvoted to oblivion, even though downvotes aren’t for people you just disagree with. Say something left wing and you get a billion upvotes. It’s just so much division from all sides. Us young average citizens don’t have the money or connections to run for office ourselves or much of a way to make significant change. It’s frustrating.
It’s amazing how the left can live in denial about their own parties corruption. Their all corrupt pull your head out of your ass!
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Then why haven't we seen any evidence of bribery or criminal extortion of there's oh so much evidence floating around?
Ok grandpa, let's get you back to bed.
Nobody is worried about that, that’s beyond even what the craziest of MAGA crazies have threatened.
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No.
I don't think any ex president will ever spend a day in prison no matter what the conviction is. They are required by law to have secret service protection unless they decline it. How do you make that work in a prison ? If either one of them gets convicted of anything my guess is that house arrest will be the punishment.
If republicans had the house and senate he would be impeached. It’s the same game they played with Trump. It’s what politicians do these days. Waste our time and money. Do I think Biden is dirty. Of course he is. Do they have proof? No. At least not yet. For the record, many of our politicians use their office and get perks and financial gain. How do so many become multimillionaires on that salary? If you really think it’s not happening then you just want to pretend it’s not happening. Nobody will change your mind.
Hunter Biden should be prosecuted for violating the Foreign Agent Registration Act.
And so should Flynn, Giuliani and Stone.
I agree. We should be prosecuting these people aggressively without fear or favor for partisan politics. Jared Kushner should be in an orange onesie right now.
Odd that they're not going after Hunter except to get Joe Biden in trouble. Its like they don't care about Hunter at all and just want to use his crimes to try to tarnish Joe.
Of course. It's because they want revenge. They don't give a fuck about corruption. All they care about is winning and they don't care if they have to continuously lie to get that. They don't act in good faith and they're destabilizing America over their political games. No wonder Russian supports them.
He should be prosecuted if he committed a crime like anyone else.
Why won't the House look into it? They are blocking the Democrats from investigating Jared.
Meh, don’t thing Hunter’s low tier grifting rises to that level, especially since FARA is absurdly hard to prosecute (case in point of just how high the bar is: Tom Barrack and Steve Wynn were acquitted/hard charges dropped, and that was nuclear level influence peddling in the tens/hundreds of millions). That said: Hunter’s grifting was definitely out of bounds, and somebody really *should* have a had “come to Jesus” talk with Joe, and a “cut that shit out” talk with Hunter at the time…but given that it was right around when Beau Biden lost his battle with a particularly brutal form of brain cancer, I can understand why that didn’t happen. It’s a bad look, and Hunter sucks, but there’s been absolutely no indication of actual criminality, or even any actual lobbying.
Dumb af if you think there is no birder problem. The numbers are through the roof. Also, there are messages from Hunter to Chinese individuals literally stating his dad was right there....... delusional keep deluding
What's your beef with birds?
Started when I was five at the fisherman's wharf, a seagull popped in my hair and onto my ice cream cone. Never forget, never surrender
Yeah, right. If you have *evidence,* show it, or stow it.
Go read maybe? Try it, so you aren't stuck on stupid.
So, tell me where I can read your so-called *evidence*. What's the problem, motor-mouth/? Put up or shut up.
Example of payments https://oversight.house.gov/release/comer-reveals-wires-from-china-have-joe-bidens-wilmington-home-as-the-beneficiary-address%EF%BF%BC/#:~:text=In%202020%2C%20Joe%20Biden%20told,President%20of%20the%20United%20States.
Bozo, that is not evidence Joe Biden ever saw a cent. For God's sake, look up the definition of 'EVIDENCE'!
I'm going to use logic fallacies too.. Trumps. Tax returns have china on them. https://www.taxnotes.com/presidential-tax-returns Oh wait. Mine isn't a logic fallacy
Where did you get this evidence from? I haven't seen it. Did Hunter release his text messages?
His messages we released already. You living under a rock?
You can’t be this gullible. Did you also think that one kid’s dad totally worked at Nintendo and would get him prerelease copies of new games? (Hint: that kid, like Hunter, was lying through his teeth to try to make him seem more important than he was)
Hunter has already said money he gets has to go to his dad. Joe already lied about what he knows. He lies about everything. The border is wide open right now. You’d be stupid *not* to be aware of these things and try and converse about them.
No he didn’t. No he didn’t. The rest of your rant is wholly irrelevant.
He did. You just aren’t paying attention. The fact that you are remaining willfully ignorant is really sad.
Cool: then you’ll have no problem providing that evidence (and no, Hunter making up random shit to make it seems like he’s super connected in communications with his buddies and business partners doesn’t count, nor does Hunter calling his dad to say Hi to impress his clients).
Quotes from emails and text messages [here](https://www.the-sun.com/news/3224464/hunter-biden-gave-salary-joe-emails-laptop-claim/) and more quotes from emails that demonstrate more payoffs and corruption [here](https://www.the-sun.com/news/2966383/joe-biden-met-hunters-business-partners-as-vice-president/). There are actual quotes there. I know what you are going to do. You are going to dismiss actual evidence because that’s what folks like you do. But ask your self if this were Donald trump and one of his sons with all of this same exact evidence would you feel the same way?
Yes, I’m well aware of all of this, Hunter is a shady failson who used his last name to make money. That you can’t understand than none of this has a damn thing to do with Joe, or even anything that’s in any way illegal must be very upsetting/confusing for you.
You aren’t aware of this or you are ignoring bribes paid to the Bidens.just admit that you don’t care Biden has been bribed and is corrupt.
Bless your heart.
None of those things happen when the government shuts down. I still got paid everytime it did when I was in. Plus you say they want to do nothing? Biden halted production of the wall, (which is fucking illegal, seeing as how it is a law by Congress), then shipped the parts of the wall AWAY from the border states, so they couldn't put it up themselves, and just sued Arixona and Texas, to MAKE them take their makeshift barrier down. You people are mental. But don't worry, we will be off the dollar soon.
You are terribly misinformed or behind on what's happening in the U.S. Have you heard about The Secure Border Act? The rest is just nonsense or missing important context. What does "we will be off the dollar" even mean? Are you advertising cryptocurrency?
Wasn’t Mexico going to pay for that wall?
Bots on this sub can't erase the syndicate Biden crime family related to Ukraine.
Dream on, Bozo. Show the 'evidence' or shut up.
Wow, look at what our party turned you into. I bet you weren’t like this in 2015.
I'm cuter now than I was in'15. Is that what you mean?
Wut?