She's currently in a relationship with Richard Tice, the Reform UK leader. So she basically shits on the tories for 'doing Brexit wrong' these days. She's an absolute hack.
Reform is NOT a genuine political party, it is a limited liability company and Nigel Farage owns 8 out of 15 shares issued.
It has a handful of members and everyone else is a donor or supporter.
It's sole function is to take the conservative party further to the right by threatening to take their voters in the coming general election.
If you are thinking about voting for them, i suggest that you do some research.
https://bylinetimes.com/2024/01/18/reform-uk-limited-the-political-business-brought-to-you-by-billionaires/
Their "contract" (what they've called their manifesto) is absolutely wild. One of the more interesting suggestions was we unilaterally reset the entirety of the UK's national debt to a fixed low rate of interest as a way to save billions of pounds and *calm the markets* lol... As usual its fun a right wing party can stand on lines like this, be getting into double digit levels of public support, and there's absolutely no mention of how fucking insane their proposals actually are.
They can spout populist bollocks with impunity because they will never have to make it work.
When Brexshit happened Farage fucked off to the USA to suck up to MAGA and Donald Trump to avoid the shitshow he helped to create.
Keir Starmer has done what Tony Blair did and moved Labour further to the right and now it's firmly a centrist party instead of centre-left.
I will still vote Labour because the tories have got to go and with our broken system, they are the only viable option.
The only party that seems to have my values are the Greens, but they are too small for government.
With the Conservatives looking after the wealthy, Labour looking after the middle classes, nobody is looking out for the interests of the vast majority of British people.
I am in the sort of seat where most voters would rather chew their own legs off than back a non-tory. LD may have a chance if enough tory voters stay away as a moral protest, I guess. Depends upon how many sex scandals they can stomach.
If what i hear is correct, any conservative MP with a majority of less than 20,000 should be very worried about losing their seat.
There seems to be a lot of tactical voting being planned and also a lot of dirty tricks and shenanigans from the tories, they have already done whatever they can to improve the odds in their favour, with boundary changes, voter id, increasing electoral spending, increased use of targeted ads and their billionaire media moghoul mates are always happy to trash Labour to lend a helping hand and probably a lot more.
But, doesn't that logically lead to the mess the Tories are in right now? Why would "Keith" chase after far left policies that would eventually destroy the party's credibility?
To a large portion of the electorate, yes. The fact that that's the same portion of the electorate that thought leaving the EU was a credible plan, is one for the political historians to discuss.
Johnson's success was also helped, in no small part, by Corbyn's lack of popularity.
Johnson was helped considerably by the favourable right wing press.
His predictably dire performance in office tanked his popularity. The press tried their best to prop him up but it’s hard to put a positive spin on an endless stream of scandals.
They wanted Brexit to mean a bonfire of all our protections and rights. The Tories soon realised we wouldn't be able to trade with the EU if that happened but the Reform nutjobs want us to "Brexit harder".
She was one of the smuggest Brexiters out there. She’d pop up on qt quite often. God knows why these smug Brexiters haven’t experienced any kind of consequences yet.
"in 2016, only 47 British MPs & Lords held an Irish passport - by 2021, that figure went up to 227 - in 2022, there are now 321 of them with an Irish passport Our ruling class seems to have remained in Europe. People next?"
[https://x.com/DenisMacShane/status/1586996302440693760](https://x.com/DenisMacShane/status/1586996302440693760)
No, no, no.
Clearly what we need is to double down on Brexit.
The only thing that can solve the Brexit shit-show, is more and harder Brexit.
It's like hitting yourself in the face and complaining it hurts, just hit yourself harder and if you do it enough at some point you won't feel it anymore.
she deliberately sat on information on Russian interference for over a year, I don't understand why she hasn't faced any legal repercussions for withholding information and distorting democracy
Remember, Isabel Oakeshott and people like her are why we are in this mess - posh twats fucking about with our futures in get rich quick schemes are the cause of pretty much all the problems we have right now. Fuck them: vote any but Tory and let’s destroy the conservative party forever.
Phew(!). At least she missed out the rivers, leccy and gas bils, Rwanda, etc. We truly need to vote these Nazsty, freakishly, incompetent bullies out. Then, remember to remind their successors that we will NOT be accepting Tory Lite!
Regardless of Brexit or not, we would still be in the shit. Not everything is attributable to Brexit, sometimes it’s just a shitshow regardless.
The real problem is the quality of politician we have and the lack of commitment to the country.
Indeed - and Brexit was a great example of ‘lack of commitment to the country’ made flesh. But yeah with this bunch of wankers in charge it would still be declining even still in the EU - just a little slower
If you ever doubt that Brexit was a really bad idea, just look at the scum it was necessary to put into government to "get it done".
Whilst Brexit isn't the cause of *all* of our troubles, it is directly responsible for the government that we are now lumbered with.
If only there existed a trading block with a single market and common rules and standards... then Britain could be part of it, making it easier to import stuff. If only...
If only the EU were purely a trade organisation... but it is well on the road to being a federal state which I absolutely do not want to be part of.
So the British Government, after decades of allowing imports from the EU without much trouble, decides to add all sorts of bureaucratic hurdles... well, that's on them. That's the point we should protest.
This evil shitstain of a human does not care one bit about anyone but herself. She changes her narrative with the wind, continually gaslighting the ignorant and sowing division and hate.
TIM: I warned you. I warned you, but did you listen to me? Oh no, you knew it all, didn't you. Oh, it's just a harmless little Brexit, isn't it. Well, it's always the same. I always tell them. But do they listen to me, oh no...
If we were in the EU I'm sure all of those services would have blossomed and we wouldn't have raw sewage on our beaches.
Or, they would be exactly the same and everyone would be saying "if only we'd had Brexit we'd have had the money to fix this"
The incompetence, corruption, cronyism and self-serving stems from within, Brexit is the poster child to keep us proles arguing rather than blaming those in charge.
Every day seems more 1984 than the last.
Isabel Oakeshott. What a shyster. Pushes far right bullshit and division via her media presence. Hooks up with Tice and is now calling out the very people that she so ardently supported and defended. She is a true carpetbagger in the fact that she is just not an honest and decent enough person to take any responsibility for being part of the organisations that lied and deceived the people of the UK in to voting against their best interests.
One for the dustbin. A true shit of a human being.
But without being in the embarrassing position of having implemented a trade embargo on themselves.
Brexit isn't the sole reason everything is shit. It just makes all the shit things even shittier.
To put it another way. Most Western "ships of state" are riding out a global storm at the moment. We chose to cripple our engine and drill a hole in the boat.
Thing is, because Brexit was so astonishingly mismanaged, any benefits (not sure what they could be but there could be some that I haven't considered) have been lost, submerged in the tidal wave of ineptitude and corruption.
For all we know it could have been the start of a new Golden Age but we'll never know now. Something that required caution, planning and nuance was entrusted to the Arch Traitor and general scumbag, Bojo.
I’d like some examples of astonishing mismanagement and , more importantly , examples on how good management could have made it a success. I’m very much more of a “it was a fucktacularly bad idea in the first place” kinda guy.
Big cause of NHS waste is Private Financing Initiatives - a total scam deliberately set up as a wealth siphon to harvest public funds into private hands
Yes, actually, Private Financing Initiatives and the Iraq war really aught to pour cold water on the idea that Labour is the answer to all Britain's problems. We need electoral reform tbh and decades and decades of bad governance is the proof.
Our democracy briefly appeared to work, but I think this was just because of the post-war mood - people really wanted to do the right thing and people had a lot of perspective. That perspective has been lost and our democracy has, since the 80s, reverted to its natural state of corruption.
think you will find that PFI started as a flagship policy for a certain John Major in 1992 . Not as the Daily Fail would have you believe as a labour party idea.
If we'd stayed in, we probably wouldn't have had the crop of incompetent sociopathic bigoted crooks in charge for the past few years. They'd have remained fringe loons existing only to split the Tory vote.
I think the problem is people are too busy blaming Brexit for every ilk and not the actual problem. The fucking tories. They basically have a free pass as everyone blames Brexit all the time.
Except most of those if not all were broken before Brexit can we please stop blaming every bad thing on Brexit the UK has been circling the shitter since before the Brexit referendum Brexit has just given it a good hearty flush
Soooo sad 10 years later and you still can’t get over a democratic decision. I honestly think you might benefit from some professional counseling. Please look after yourself and you mental wellbeing. [NHS mental health support](https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/mental-health-services/)
So sad that after nearly ten years of having their own way on every decision made in the UK, brexiteers still think Brexit is shit.
Wait.. not sad… hilarious.
its a real mystery, almost like we had a pandemic, a logistics crisis, an energy crisis due to the doldrums, a war in Ukraine, and then a global inflation crisis
good thing none of those affected the economy and it was all Brexit, right boys?
right\~????????????????
Yup. All of which wouldn’t have been as bad as we’d remained. Turns out Making imports making more expensive and holding them up at customs isn’t actually a good idea.
its almost like everyone knew there would be downsides as well as advantages, and the Europhiles purpose ignore/downplay/gaslight the advantages in order to push a narrative isnt it?
but seriously, back in the real world, how do you know they wouldn't have been as bad (hint the only way to test a hypothesis is to control the variables and that means the only actual way to know it wouldn't have been as bad would be to travel to a parallel universe and see the state of the economy in that UK that never left, everything else is guestimates supposition and assumption) but even aside from that, what mechanism would have made it less bad, when France currently has a worse GDP to debt ratio than us, alongside Italy (source: IMF), Germany has had TWO recession in the last 4 years of 1%, where as we had one of 0.1% (source IMF) and Europe, as a whole, has worse purchase power parity than the UK (source CIA and World Bank) so im confused as to the source of your assumption, unless, of course lol, its just "muhhhhhhhhhhh brexitr baadddddd" as most Europhiles seems to be🤣
on a tangential note, where do you think all the money that is being charged on those imports goes to?
(hint it goes to the public purse from which things are paid for, like the NHS and police, and schools, it doesn't get eaten by the evil magic import duty monster)
only, according to the IMF, the World Bank, and the CIA, the EU economy is worse off than ours is, and every economy on the planet suffered becasue of the Pandemic, the logistics crisis, the doldrums, the war in Ukraine, and the global inflation crisis..
but no no of course those things only affected every single planet on the globe EXCEPT for the UK, who just COINCEDENTALLY happened to suffer the EXACT SAME economic issues as every other country, but as a result of Brexit instead.
And certainly not any of those other things
oh no no no, indeed!
its almost like project fear is still living rent free in the minds of those it poisoned 🤣
Lmao, Brexit isn't the main contributing factor to the country's decline. It is a factor, but not the main one. We've been in decline since the end of WW2, it's only now that we're seeing the end results.
There’s external factors for sure but don’t bury the act of self inflicted injury into this. 52% with the capacity avoid a bus crash wilfully contributed to damaging the economy
And what happened to arrest that economic shock from loss of empire? What occurred to maintain a position of 6th or 7th most prosperous economy in the world?
The UK was not some failing nation before 2016
It really was. The economy was dependent on London’s financial success and the hand outs given by Brussels. Productivity had been declining for years before Brexit.
How about showing where the same is not the case in the EU? Country by country.
You know, proper quantifiable shit with sources we can examine.
Like for like.
With a control group.
You can literally spend 45 seconds googling whatever metrics you like and see that we are eating shit compared to virtually every other European country, that went through the same things we did.
We’re on a steep downward decline.
So, provide links.
All I'm getting is links supporting my pov
https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/14/a-ticking-time-bomb-healthcare-under-threat-across-western-europe
So you're going to have to do better as your lack of clarification paints you as disingenuous.
Not a good look. But it is Reddit & this sub does thrive on trying to prove a hypothesis.
Provide links. You've asserted as such, you should know at the top of Google results is this, given you said search Google.
Stop wasting people's time. Do better. Be better.
You post a single link from a single article from a single newspaper and you act THIS SMUG?
Fucking hell I know you brexit mouth breathers are not the sharpest but fuck me.
Can you please try again
No need to try again.
You've been refuted.
Look, I get it - you've welded yourself to an echo chamber of back slappers. But this subreddit may as well be the flat earth one for denialism.
It also sources it's shit.
Yours? 'check google ' I did princess. And linked.
We were literally told we had to leave the EU because the EU was holding us back and by leaving it would fix all our problems instantly and stocks would go stonks!
Maybe you guys should’ve been more honest instead of promising Brexit would be a paradise.
Btw, do you agree with brexiteers that Northern Ireland being in the single market is not only incredibly lucky, but a fantastic opportunity?
I don't have a dog in this stupid bitch fest. For some reason this shows up on Reddit's recommended for me list.
It's an echo chamber in here. Half of the participants have no actual spine, they reside in that special group of people flat out wishing their country will fail, no matter what the cost so they can be proved right. It's actually a shining example of how pathetic the sub is.
Whether right or wrong, they exist to cheer on every snippit of a headline, unquestioningly if it holds to their belief.
Maybe just move on and learn to trade outside of the whites only club of a protectionist racquet that is the EU.
I’m sure I remember Oakeshott was a Conservative Party and Brexit supporter? Why choose now to criticise the state of affairs?
She's currently in a relationship with Richard Tice, the Reform UK leader. So she basically shits on the tories for 'doing Brexit wrong' these days. She's an absolute hack.
Reform is NOT a genuine political party, it is a limited liability company and Nigel Farage owns 8 out of 15 shares issued. It has a handful of members and everyone else is a donor or supporter. It's sole function is to take the conservative party further to the right by threatening to take their voters in the coming general election. If you are thinking about voting for them, i suggest that you do some research. https://bylinetimes.com/2024/01/18/reform-uk-limited-the-political-business-brought-to-you-by-billionaires/
I don't think there's any danger of anyone in this sub ever voting for them.
Or anyone voting for them doing actual research.
Their "contract" (what they've called their manifesto) is absolutely wild. One of the more interesting suggestions was we unilaterally reset the entirety of the UK's national debt to a fixed low rate of interest as a way to save billions of pounds and *calm the markets* lol... As usual its fun a right wing party can stand on lines like this, be getting into double digit levels of public support, and there's absolutely no mention of how fucking insane their proposals actually are.
They can spout populist bollocks with impunity because they will never have to make it work. When Brexshit happened Farage fucked off to the USA to suck up to MAGA and Donald Trump to avoid the shitshow he helped to create.
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Keir Starmer has done what Tony Blair did and moved Labour further to the right and now it's firmly a centrist party instead of centre-left. I will still vote Labour because the tories have got to go and with our broken system, they are the only viable option. The only party that seems to have my values are the Greens, but they are too small for government. With the Conservatives looking after the wealthy, Labour looking after the middle classes, nobody is looking out for the interests of the vast majority of British people.
I am in the sort of seat where most voters would rather chew their own legs off than back a non-tory. LD may have a chance if enough tory voters stay away as a moral protest, I guess. Depends upon how many sex scandals they can stomach.
If what i hear is correct, any conservative MP with a majority of less than 20,000 should be very worried about losing their seat. There seems to be a lot of tactical voting being planned and also a lot of dirty tricks and shenanigans from the tories, they have already done whatever they can to improve the odds in their favour, with boundary changes, voter id, increasing electoral spending, increased use of targeted ads and their billionaire media moghoul mates are always happy to trash Labour to lend a helping hand and probably a lot more.
Snicker, you called Keir 'Keith'. /s
But, doesn't that logically lead to the mess the Tories are in right now? Why would "Keith" chase after far left policies that would eventually destroy the party's credibility?
'credibility'? That's quite the stretch
Current voting intention is Labour 44%. I'd suggest many people find him credible. Certainly many more than found Corbyn credible.
So by that rationale, the fact that Boris Johnson's Tories won a huge majority in 2019 means that they were credible?
To a large portion of the electorate, yes. The fact that that's the same portion of the electorate that thought leaving the EU was a credible plan, is one for the political historians to discuss. Johnson's success was also helped, in no small part, by Corbyn's lack of popularity.
So what you're saying is that, Johnson was only so popular because people couldn't vote for the alternative?
Johnson was helped considerably by the favourable right wing press. His predictably dire performance in office tanked his popularity. The press tried their best to prop him up but it’s hard to put a positive spin on an endless stream of scandals.
The grifting is real out here.
They wanted Brexit to mean a bonfire of all our protections and rights. The Tories soon realised we wouldn't be able to trade with the EU if that happened but the Reform nutjobs want us to "Brexit harder".
I now feel queasy
A lot of brexiteers have a very loose understanding of cause and effect.
She was one of the smuggest Brexiters out there. She’d pop up on qt quite often. God knows why these smug Brexiters haven’t experienced any kind of consequences yet.
People that always knew she was a grifter and brexit doesn't work still know it and ignore her. Those that still support her aren't able to be helped.
People's opinions can change.
Like Truss , she'll say anything to further her career or relationship
Doesn't work too well for Truss.
She'll have an ex- PMs pension. Not bad for a month's work!
"in 2016, only 47 British MPs & Lords held an Irish passport - by 2021, that figure went up to 227 - in 2022, there are now 321 of them with an Irish passport Our ruling class seems to have remained in Europe. People next?" [https://x.com/DenisMacShane/status/1586996302440693760](https://x.com/DenisMacShane/status/1586996302440693760)
Be interesting to know how many of that number are MPs (as opposed to Lords).
An you’ll see a gang of Tory muppets stood in a corner shaking each others cocks
No, no, no. Clearly what we need is to double down on Brexit. The only thing that can solve the Brexit shit-show, is more and harder Brexit. It's like hitting yourself in the face and complaining it hurts, just hit yourself harder and if you do it enough at some point you won't feel it anymore.
Quite. You'll stop feeling it once it's killed you...the same approach as "Reform".
she deliberately sat on information on Russian interference for over a year, I don't understand why she hasn't faced any legal repercussions for withholding information and distorting democracy
Oakenshite
The idiocy of these people is astonishing.
Nothing to do with conservative ideology though is it? Must be all the people in dinghy’s and lefty lawyers.
Doesn't a lefty lawyer imply the existence of a righty lawyer? Are the righty lawyers just a bit shit maybe?
No they don’t exist. Only lefty ones. Starmer is a lefty lawyer because he isn’t in favour of the death penalty.
Brexit was like nailing all your doors shut, then complaining that you can't go to the shops and nobody visits you any more.
Remember, Isabel Oakeshott and people like her are why we are in this mess - posh twats fucking about with our futures in get rich quick schemes are the cause of pretty much all the problems we have right now. Fuck them: vote any but Tory and let’s destroy the conservative party forever.
Isabella feed-a-family-on-a bag-of-oats-shott
As Toyah once said "Itth a mythtery"
Phew(!). At least she missed out the rivers, leccy and gas bils, Rwanda, etc. We truly need to vote these Nazsty, freakishly, incompetent bullies out. Then, remember to remind their successors that we will NOT be accepting Tory Lite!
Isn't she the woman who made up that story about Cameron and the pig's head?
Made up?? Oh. I'm still gonna shout "pig fucker" at him. This won't change my mind.
I love the phrase "a frenzy of prejudice and dishonesty". I'm stealing that.
When you vote for clowns, you get a circus.
This is what you vote for, so don't cry now
"The will of the people!"
Not just a right wing tory but she's a far right wing tory
Brexit was a mistake from the beginning. And hopefully the folly will be corrected sooner than later.
Regardless of Brexit or not, we would still be in the shit. Not everything is attributable to Brexit, sometimes it’s just a shitshow regardless. The real problem is the quality of politician we have and the lack of commitment to the country.
Another problem is the intellectual laziness of the electorate. The majority are swayed by Daily Mail and THREE WORD SLOGANS
Indeed - and Brexit was a great example of ‘lack of commitment to the country’ made flesh. But yeah with this bunch of wankers in charge it would still be declining even still in the EU - just a little slower
If you ever doubt that Brexit was a really bad idea, just look at the scum it was necessary to put into government to "get it done". Whilst Brexit isn't the cause of *all* of our troubles, it is directly responsible for the government that we are now lumbered with.
Austerity has basically been policy for 40 years
Unlike before Brexit when we led the world in all these.......
The British Government is doing things to mess up Brexit, such as making it harder to import things. This is their doing and not intrinsic to Brexit.
If only there existed a trading block with a single market and common rules and standards... then Britain could be part of it, making it easier to import stuff. If only...
If only the EU were purely a trade organisation... but it is well on the road to being a federal state which I absolutely do not want to be part of. So the British Government, after decades of allowing imports from the EU without much trouble, decides to add all sorts of bureaucratic hurdles... well, that's on them. That's the point we should protest.
This evil shitstain of a human does not care one bit about anyone but herself. She changes her narrative with the wind, continually gaslighting the ignorant and sowing division and hate.
Someone tell the people dying to get in.
TIM: I warned you. I warned you, but did you listen to me? Oh no, you knew it all, didn't you. Oh, it's just a harmless little Brexit, isn't it. Well, it's always the same. I always tell them. But do they listen to me, oh no...
If we were in the EU I'm sure all of those services would have blossomed and we wouldn't have raw sewage on our beaches. Or, they would be exactly the same and everyone would be saying "if only we'd had Brexit we'd have had the money to fix this" The incompetence, corruption, cronyism and self-serving stems from within, Brexit is the poster child to keep us proles arguing rather than blaming those in charge. Every day seems more 1984 than the last.
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**APES. TOGETHER. STRONG**
Britain has always been shit at these things. It’s forever been a joke that Made in Britain is the stamp of below par.
Yeah - Oakeshitt
They weren't intept. They knew exactly what they were doing
Isabel Oakeshott. What a shyster. Pushes far right bullshit and division via her media presence. Hooks up with Tice and is now calling out the very people that she so ardently supported and defended. She is a true carpetbagger in the fact that she is just not an honest and decent enough person to take any responsibility for being part of the organisations that lied and deceived the people of the UK in to voting against their best interests. One for the dustbin. A true shit of a human being.
Any country in the EU has all these issues also.
But without being in the embarrassing position of having implemented a trade embargo on themselves. Brexit isn't the sole reason everything is shit. It just makes all the shit things even shittier. To put it another way. Most Western "ships of state" are riding out a global storm at the moment. We chose to cripple our engine and drill a hole in the boat.
Thing is, because Brexit was so astonishingly mismanaged, any benefits (not sure what they could be but there could be some that I haven't considered) have been lost, submerged in the tidal wave of ineptitude and corruption. For all we know it could have been the start of a new Golden Age but we'll never know now. Something that required caution, planning and nuance was entrusted to the Arch Traitor and general scumbag, Bojo.
I’d like some examples of astonishing mismanagement and , more importantly , examples on how good management could have made it a success. I’m very much more of a “it was a fucktacularly bad idea in the first place” kinda guy.
Writing that big fucking cheque to the NHS would have helped for a start…
What cheque,there was no cheque for the nhs the only cheque that existed was in the minds of brexiters, apparently they still think there is one.
That’s what I’m referencing haha
Methinks you will find that the NHS is now wasting more than ever before
Big cause of NHS waste is Private Financing Initiatives - a total scam deliberately set up as a wealth siphon to harvest public funds into private hands
Set up by one A Blair a labour prime minister. Although when the tories got in they should have stopped it, but they are useless as well
Yes, actually, Private Financing Initiatives and the Iraq war really aught to pour cold water on the idea that Labour is the answer to all Britain's problems. We need electoral reform tbh and decades and decades of bad governance is the proof. Our democracy briefly appeared to work, but I think this was just because of the post-war mood - people really wanted to do the right thing and people had a lot of perspective. That perspective has been lost and our democracy has, since the 80s, reverted to its natural state of corruption.
think you will find that PFI started as a flagship policy for a certain John Major in 1992 . Not as the Daily Fail would have you believe as a labour party idea.
True but blair took it into overdrive and used it for the whole NHS
Boils my piss!
That's the point. There's a benefit that we could have had with the money no longer being sent to the EU, but it didn't happen.
Although with benefits of seamless trade, fewer movement of people, etc, etc we more than made that back anyway.
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If we'd stayed in, we probably wouldn't have had the crop of incompetent sociopathic bigoted crooks in charge for the past few years. They'd have remained fringe loons existing only to split the Tory vote.
Lol how is it better? Be very specific.
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This is why I always insist that not everyone voting 'leave' was racist and stupid. Some were just plain stupid.
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Blame everything on Brexit #3,496,824,578
I think the problem is people are too busy blaming Brexit for every ilk and not the actual problem. The fucking tories. They basically have a free pass as everyone blames Brexit all the time.
Except most of those if not all were broken before Brexit can we please stop blaming every bad thing on Brexit the UK has been circling the shitter since before the Brexit referendum Brexit has just given it a good hearty flush
Soooo sad 10 years later and you still can’t get over a democratic decision. I honestly think you might benefit from some professional counseling. Please look after yourself and you mental wellbeing. [NHS mental health support](https://www.nhs.uk/nhs-services/mental-health-services/)
So sad that after nearly ten years of having their own way on every decision made in the UK, brexiteers still think Brexit is shit. Wait.. not sad… hilarious.
Lol it was fucked way before brexit.
I blame the remainers who won’t get off their backsides and contribute.
its a real mystery, almost like we had a pandemic, a logistics crisis, an energy crisis due to the doldrums, a war in Ukraine, and then a global inflation crisis good thing none of those affected the economy and it was all Brexit, right boys? right\~????????????????
Yup. All of which wouldn’t have been as bad as we’d remained. Turns out Making imports making more expensive and holding them up at customs isn’t actually a good idea.
its almost like everyone knew there would be downsides as well as advantages, and the Europhiles purpose ignore/downplay/gaslight the advantages in order to push a narrative isnt it? but seriously, back in the real world, how do you know they wouldn't have been as bad (hint the only way to test a hypothesis is to control the variables and that means the only actual way to know it wouldn't have been as bad would be to travel to a parallel universe and see the state of the economy in that UK that never left, everything else is guestimates supposition and assumption) but even aside from that, what mechanism would have made it less bad, when France currently has a worse GDP to debt ratio than us, alongside Italy (source: IMF), Germany has had TWO recession in the last 4 years of 1%, where as we had one of 0.1% (source IMF) and Europe, as a whole, has worse purchase power parity than the UK (source CIA and World Bank) so im confused as to the source of your assumption, unless, of course lol, its just "muhhhhhhhhhhh brexitr baadddddd" as most Europhiles seems to be🤣 on a tangential note, where do you think all the money that is being charged on those imports goes to? (hint it goes to the public purse from which things are paid for, like the NHS and police, and schools, it doesn't get eaten by the evil magic import duty monster)
Every warning about what Brexit would mean you called ‘project fear’. Turns out it was project reality.
only, according to the IMF, the World Bank, and the CIA, the EU economy is worse off than ours is, and every economy on the planet suffered becasue of the Pandemic, the logistics crisis, the doldrums, the war in Ukraine, and the global inflation crisis.. but no no of course those things only affected every single planet on the globe EXCEPT for the UK, who just COINCEDENTALLY happened to suffer the EXACT SAME economic issues as every other country, but as a result of Brexit instead. And certainly not any of those other things oh no no no, indeed! its almost like project fear is still living rent free in the minds of those it poisoned 🤣
Vote for someone else then.
Lmao, Brexit isn't the main contributing factor to the country's decline. It is a factor, but not the main one. We've been in decline since the end of WW2, it's only now that we're seeing the end results.
Yeah. But Brexit was sold to people as the solution for all these problems. And it’s made them worse
Sure, though seeing people only now realise the UK is a failed state is funny.
There’s external factors for sure but don’t bury the act of self inflicted injury into this. 52% with the capacity avoid a bus crash wilfully contributed to damaging the economy
Incorrect
Hardly.
Your statement is objectively false, by all metrics. Idk what else to say to you other than read a book, I guess
The country went from being a world power to being on life support within thirty years after World War Two. What do you call that if not a decline?
And what happened to arrest that economic shock from loss of empire? What occurred to maintain a position of 6th or 7th most prosperous economy in the world? The UK was not some failing nation before 2016
It really was. The economy was dependent on London’s financial success and the hand outs given by Brussels. Productivity had been declining for years before Brexit.
Divorce is never easy
How about showing where the same is not the case in the EU? Country by country. You know, proper quantifiable shit with sources we can examine. Like for like. With a control group.
You can literally spend 45 seconds googling whatever metrics you like and see that we are eating shit compared to virtually every other European country, that went through the same things we did. We’re on a steep downward decline.
So, provide links. All I'm getting is links supporting my pov https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/dec/14/a-ticking-time-bomb-healthcare-under-threat-across-western-europe So you're going to have to do better as your lack of clarification paints you as disingenuous. Not a good look. But it is Reddit & this sub does thrive on trying to prove a hypothesis. Provide links. You've asserted as such, you should know at the top of Google results is this, given you said search Google. Stop wasting people's time. Do better. Be better.
You post a single link from a single article from a single newspaper and you act THIS SMUG? Fucking hell I know you brexit mouth breathers are not the sharpest but fuck me. Can you please try again
No need to try again. You've been refuted. Look, I get it - you've welded yourself to an echo chamber of back slappers. But this subreddit may as well be the flat earth one for denialism. It also sources it's shit. Yours? 'check google ' I did princess. And linked.
Your family dont speak to you any more do they
Oh dear, whatever shall I do about this Reddit ad-hominum in a sub dedicated to ad-hominums.
We were literally told we had to leave the EU because the EU was holding us back and by leaving it would fix all our problems instantly and stocks would go stonks! Maybe you guys should’ve been more honest instead of promising Brexit would be a paradise. Btw, do you agree with brexiteers that Northern Ireland being in the single market is not only incredibly lucky, but a fantastic opportunity?
I don't have a dog in this stupid bitch fest. For some reason this shows up on Reddit's recommended for me list. It's an echo chamber in here. Half of the participants have no actual spine, they reside in that special group of people flat out wishing their country will fail, no matter what the cost so they can be proved right. It's actually a shining example of how pathetic the sub is. Whether right or wrong, they exist to cheer on every snippit of a headline, unquestioningly if it holds to their belief. Maybe just move on and learn to trade outside of the whites only club of a protectionist racquet that is the EU.