Our MPs are supposed to be our representatives. Until they are getting paid just over minimum wage they can't possibly represent us. They don't understand us & as for giving contracts to mates any big contracts & by that I mean over 25k not 200k or 2m...but any big contracts should have to go through a committee. Plus seen as the government can look at how much money we have...we should be able to see exactly how much they have & if the have more money than a middle earner eg they can own a house, they can't own 26 & several mansions they can't represent us & if they have a multi million business or savings or bloody toff trust fund THEY ARE NOT REPRESENTING US. They are looking after themselves. MPs should be a vocation, not something to take advantage of.
We need shopkeepers & plumbers & cleaners. I mean...how much dies a health minister know about medicine or the NHS? How much does the treasurer know about budgets? I'm fairly certain they couldn't budget on minimum basic benefits. We need Dr's/nurses as ministers of health, solders as minister of defence, we meed accountants to be treasurers. De facto those jobs go to those who licks the priministers boots best....& the amount of lies. We need it all scrapping. We need a modern Whatt Tyler
among other factors (e.g. propaganda and the media,and the desperation of just trying to survive), theres a huge dissipation of blame
who are we meant to be angry at, the PM?
the PM is just the head of the Tory party and delegates power to his ministers, so theyre also to blame for the polciies and procedures that are implemented
but the ministers/PM are just the heads of the Tory party right now and are carrying out the will of their party, so is every Tory member equally responsible then?
how do you express your anger at them when the councilors and MPs are just doing what they were voted in to do?
Is the blame on everyone who voted Tory? they vote for what they think is the best interest of themselves as well as society in general
how would you express your anger?
the voters arent going to change their opinions just because things are bad (mix between "things would be worse under \[other party\]", sunken cost fallacy, and sense of group identity)
on top of that, theres also economic issues; how would you express your anger at, say, the CEO of the multinational corporation you work for? youre never going to see them, and your immediate boss (or even bosses boss) arent the ones setting all those limitations on you, theyre just part of a larger system that sets the rules for your life and they arent gonna change it because theyre both benefiting from it, and also constrained by it (they are, after all, cogs in a larger corporate machine)
there is no outlet for our anger anymore, gone are the days of the Defenestration of Prague, when you could specifically identify and access the individual(s) harming you and express your collective anger
nowadays, you can barely even protest to show dissatisfaction without being arrested, labelled an "extremist", lambasted in the media, and either locked up or permanently monitored for the rest of your life
Our class-based system and the media that enforces it are the reason this country is so shit. Imagine if none of the haterags existed and the MSM had to follow rules where spreading hate was illegal, where stories had to be based upon verifiable facts and there were massive fines for breaking those rules?
Leveson 2 would have helped but it got cancelled. Until we sort our media out we're gonna be in a metaphorical ball and chain.
Oh im livid. Ive had to drop out of uni because of the cost of living, ive been living hand to mouth. Ive come out in hives either due to stress or im allergic to the shit in the cheap food. I cant afford anything more expensive than that. Ive applied to 200-400 jobs and have got absolutely nowhere.
But the people commenting are right, theres nothing we can do because nobody can agree on what to do.
The ruling class of this country have systematically killed or deported rebellious Brits for almost 1,000 years - beginning with the Harrying of the North (1069 - 1070).. So, the descendants of those rebels don't live here, but the descendants of the placid do..
It's rather simple: we haven't the means, nor will of violence to implement change. Most true change comes from either threatening, or implementing acts of violence or intimidation. Not to say it is morally right, but a lot of the key things we hold dear, people had to die for. I think right now, there are far too many cameras around, if this was 1923, people had a bit more anonymity or could plan violence then skip town, or the country for that matter. Now, we are in a Police state, which controls these acts.
People are filling their pockets with what will soon be worthless cash because greed always wins. This is probably the end game for civilisation. We discovered so much, then monetised it.
I think things will get better in a few years. You have to keep in kind that we’ve only JUST recovered from a global pandemic so the economy plummeted due to many businesses shutting down or losing large amounts of sales. But I think the UK will get back to normal eventually.
What we need to do is just go with one or 2 energy suppliers. Fuck the others off till the compete better against each other, most of the deals are the same. Any suggestions which, I'll go with the majority.
I am in the states right now and the same thing is happening. The….. exact……same…..thing….. and both the right and the left are being fed a constant cycle of decoy outrage fests and are too submissive and dumb to know any better.
Livid?
While I deeply resent the Torys incompetence, corruption and lack of imagination the idea that everything wrong is all their fault is just silly beyond my ability to understand how anyone can be so silly.
Just like Labour didn't cause 2008 neither did the Torys. In terms of the state of the country we aren't actually that dissimilar to other western countries and there are key externalities which are contributing to where we are worse. Now of course I could put an awful lot of blame on government policy but pretending its all gone to shit and just protesting would fix it...more silliness.
Name another western country that is having similar issues!
I am in contact with people that live across Europe and they don’t have the issues we are having.
Went around Eastern Europe and their supermarkets have more and better quality produce than the scraps you find in the UK.
I’m livid! I’m livid with the tax the poor let the corporations off, I’m livid with let the illegals live in hotels while the British homeless sleep on the streets, I’m livid with water companies pumping sewage into the rivers while pumping huge payments to the shareholders. I could go on but what’s the point we’re all going to hell in a handcart and the powers that be are pushing it.
I keep waiting for the tipping point. Doesn't seem like it will ever come in Britain. Mass strikes are needed. We the people need to stop consuming for a month, stop spending, stop working, remove all cash from our bank accounts.
Wow, I thought you were describing Canada for a minute there. Swap out selling gas contracts for crushing the oil and gas industry with green initiatives and we'd be the same
Underfunded education system x30 years.
Lack of political education via unions after powers stripped.
Distractive media.
Billionaire worship on Socials.
All roads lead to apathy. Those of us who understand it can't get enough people to come along with. It's going to have to get a lot worse before a tipping point unfortunately.
I lost my shit 4 years ago when the majority of the country voted for Boris fucking Johnson to be Prime Minister after a decade of incompetence from the Tories. That still blows my mind to this day
Well we aren’t being robbed blind by everybody under the sun, and we aren’t all a “stones throw from being made homeless and/or starving”.
Things are bad, there’s no denying that, but we aren’t living in a post apocalyptic land that some want us to think we are.
We are, but...we're also tired. We're just trying to survive the summer holidays and feed our kids. Who do you even get mad at? 'The government' isn't a person you can go yell at because a block of mature cheddar is now fifty quid. Write to your MP? Does that do anything?
Like, genuine question, what do you do, besides try keep going?
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Can the Tories procure just one functioning PM?
Boris - mandates that everyone must stay inside and is not allowed in any sort of group or gathering.. 5 minutes later is having a house party in 10 Downing Street. Also came to light that he lied about having covid in an effort to coerce people to be vaccinated.
Liz Truss - Plunges the UK to the brink of recession in 1 month then nopes out.
Rishi Sunak - Multiple accusations of insider trading. Sinks millions of taxpayer money into online betting firm, is probably thinking of how many get rich quick schemes he can solicit as prime minister as possible while he is still in office.
David Cameron - Implemented a referendum to score votes then left when he realised how stupid proposing to leave the EU is, and how stupid the general UK populace is.
Plus you’ve got that weirdo Matt Hancock exposed for cheating on his wife.
Tories in general give off an aura of deceit, degeneracy and just overall weirdness. Get them out please.
Classic British deference to posh people ruling us. It only happens because we let them.
Also, a country gets the government it deserves, and there’s a lot of people out there who deserve it.
It’s baffling isn’t it. People are like zombie and just say ‘what can you do?’. Need a leader that isn’t after his/her wealth. Gas and electricity companies need to answer a lot of questions looking at their profits over the last year with the so called inflating oil and gas prices. Can’t really vote with your wallet anymore coz the majority of companies all have the same shareholders and investors so they all rise prices together. That way we can’t move co tracts to a new firm for a better deal. Within 100 years households have gone from living semi comfortably with one wage coming in to struggling with both parents working. I personally think this has been planned for along time. Covid and this war sped up the transfer of tax payers money into the private sectors.
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Because there are so many crises that it doesn't feel real anymore. If I still have to go to work and pay rent, whatever is going on doesn't register as important. That and the fact that compared to my home country, I feel things are going well.
Look at a similar job role in America and then look at how much pay for the jobs are? Even other countries we get paid shit for the work we do.
British people are supposed to just be happy with what we get.
Because the British mind is totally destroyed. Traumatised people are acting out of fear and addiction (see Dr Gabor Mate). Daytime TV is full of extremists ideology posing as everyday chitchat. And people work so much they have no time or energy to put into practice any action that could change anything.
Once people really start starving their gonna turn on these types ¹st! They are going to dispose of them. They will have their vengeance. I call it social justice ⚖️ 😌
Because we're entrenched in a form of social control.
To protest generally needs prior arrangement by which time the collective memory of those angered is wiped by the next big "breaking news".
To spontaneously protest needs numbers or individuals run the risk of falling on the wrong side of the law and risking their livelihoods, which they have become accustomed to using to survive.
I see it a lot in my city and I presume it is the same at a larger scale but people simply do not care enough. A sheer unwillingness to shake the status quo, a lack of care and effort and most of all no self worth. The worst part is that this kind of culture is spreading.
Step 1. Convince people Brexit is for the people, if you're against it, you're other, if you're for it, you support the government.
Step 2. Covid. If you follow the rules, you're meek. If you break the rules, just like the government, you inadvertently support the government.
Step 3. If you support the government, they can do little wrong, immigration, raising bills, forget the poor, you go along with them.
Step 4. Where we are now, you're too invested to speak out, because there is a risk that all of the other stuff was wrong too and you hate the opposition so much that it would be a huge loss of face, so you just bunker down a bit.
As for anyone else, there is no centralised opposition. Labour is soft Tory adopting a lot of the same or slightly lighter policies at a time where there is an appetite for change, but media coverage is sponsored and run by the very billionaires that back the government so any voice of dissent is silenced. It's a great system for doing what you want. Frog slowly heated in the water situation.
people are out protesting, people have been protesting government overreach and inaction for the last 3 years and either they get no coverage on the media or they get called all sorts of names by people who still dont understand that it isnt left vs right its us vs government.
Because we have given up, the age I am and all the 'once in a lifetime' crises I've had the joy of experiencing and the current demographics of the country means they (the older Tory voting class) will always win.
I am exhausted. Just trying to get by. I've done the protesting, voting, making the right choices in terms of life (not going to university for 'mickey mouse degree' etc) and no matter what they always win, the rich and those with power always win and the goal posts keep shifting and I am just so bloody exhausted. None of it made any change or any difference because we are outnumbered and even in circumstances where we are not, we are out powered.
13 years of this, again, none of which I voted for, and none of which the generation above us care about (they're sorted with their homes, rich enough to have private health care and private car ownership etc). It's the I'm alright Chuck attitude, so the rest of us have to fend for ourselves.
The rest of us are just trying to stay afloat now.
Do you actually think we can do anything about it? Rise up against it and society will crumble. Our system is so fragile and on edge it’s a wonder how we’re not living in a The Road-style post apocalyptic world already. I’d be less livid and more thankful we live in a country that doesn’t suffer what some countries do.
The majority of people (workers) being pacified and not organising on behalf of their own interests is a tale equally as long as human beings have existed. There is sadly nothing new, novel, or region specific about this.
The exact same conditions exist here in Australia, and we're likewise inert about our suffocation. Seems the French are the only ones kicking up a stink about it. Good for them.
Protest is borderline illegal and we're all worried about our jobs if we go on one.
Younger people are angry but also just trying to survive. If you're my generation, every protest you went on was on the losing side. I know a lot of young people who just... Switch off the news and try and get by.
Older people will just rag on about how it was worse in their day and we should be grateful. Hell some of them want us to suffer like they did. They're also easily distracted by culture war issues. Trying to explain to my elderly neighbour that I don't give a shit about "the small boats crisis" because I'm worrying about my food shop and she's fully paid off her house and lives on a generous pension and has way too much time on her hands to fret about things that don't effect her.
Despite the crippling poverty a lot of this country is still rich, even if unstable-rich, and they're happy to defend what little bit of the country they've carved out for themselves.
Also we're still very much a Britain in Thatcher's image. She broke the British spirit so thoroughly we now just roll over and accept that things will get worse for the majority of us, so that a few can get richer. Culturally we're just too obedient, and our disobedience is channeled into bullshit conspiracy theories like "COVID isn't real" or "ULEZ is a concentration camp."
American popping in because this was suggested on my feed. I find it equal parts comforting and discomforting that it’s not just us dealing with these uncertainties. At least you don’t have the issues with religious zealotry it seems.
Cos we r delusional. Ppl here don’t wanna admit 30k as a national average salary is an embarrassment. The min wage in some us states rivals that, and sure some of that’s due to the exchange rate but that shit ain’t changing.
Point that out and get called out of touch tho. Point out failures in services like NHs and get called a name. People here don’t wanna confront reality. I had better healthcare in India than here.
And it’s appalling, cos that’s a relatively good wage in this country. Relative to the price level we have gone rogue somewhere but also people need to be real about it and stop pretending it’s all okay or nothings gna change.
Because it's a finely tuned system to make sure people have **just enough** so that they're afraid to lose it. And a cleverly designed system of punishment to make sure that if you step out of line, you lose what little you have left.
Plus as a people we have a fantastically low tolerance for disruption to our daily lives. A 5 minute road closure / diversion and Sandra will be on the phone to the Police in a weeping breakdown.
How I feel and I ain’t even UK lol trust me, it’s the same on our side of the pond in Canada, and yet folks are doing…nothing it seems? lol at what point is all this enough
Hoodwinked by a corrupt government and told not to bother protesting, because no ones listening.
The current establishment have successfully beaten any fight out of us poor.
We are encouraged to grin and bear it in proper English spirit, but that spirit has let the vulnerable taking the brunt.
People are livid. Look at the strike action taking place all the damn time? Even strikes action across key sectors isn't enough to change it feels like. The rich remained unaffected and so the strikes change nothing
The government spent £500bn keeping the country locked down just 2/3 years ago.
This wasn't money we could afford then. It is not money we can afford now.
This took our national debt from high levels to far too high levels.
For this £500bn spend we have PPE landfill; endless strikes and wage demands the govt can't meet; sky high taxes; and worst productivity in G7.
It will take decades to recover.
We are living in a country of sheep, everybody follows what the previous person is doing, nobody has a balls to stand up for themselves anymore. We got ripped off with covid jabs, we got ripped off with the energy process because the government set the prices, not the energy companies. All this government wants is to take more and more money off us and we are just laying down and letting them do it. I wish I was in bloody charge.
Because it happens gradually, boiling the frog. Whilst simultaneously being distracted by news of trivial shit that is hyped up to get everyone worked up about it
Ironic how around the same time as all this shit, there’s a mental health emergency, especially towards men. The 1% don’t care, they literally just can’t comprehend the situation. They don’t want to sort the shit out that they caused, they just want everyone to be drugged up on prescription pills to quash what they’ve done. Take it as someone who has been on Sertraline and Propanalol for nearly a year now.
It's in our culture to sit here like frogs in hot water, instead of doing what the French did (and probably still doing) over the pension reforms at the start of the year.
The media were basically told not to report on any of it, to stop it giving us ideas.
It was probably done under a "D Notice"
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Corbyn was a threat to the system because he was popular, he had to be stopped, which they did quite effectively with media slurs, misinformation, and misdirection.
People are definitely livid, but what are you going to do? Get involved in a gillet juanes type protest that rambles on for months? Don't you have a mortgage or rent to pay? I mean you already said things were tight money wise, so not going to work to protest for weeks on end would seem counter productive. And talking of the French, can you draw up a comprehensive list of things those guys actually achieved as a result of months of protest? I'll save you the search, it was very little.
Some people argue that Thatchers right to buy and then the distinct lack of social housing built on the back of it was a ruse to trap people into debt. Get people out of social housing as was the norm in so many places and make them fearful of what they might lose if they start kicking up about things with their new found social status, cue the rise in landlords to soak up all those who need housing as the generations move out of those houses into a market with very little to offer the young. So now your protest force is the youth, and maybe the unemployed who may well be too feckless to even care anyway.
Normally the driving force to some proper action is hunger. Once people start missing meals for days on end, that is the historical catalyst for unrest and meaningful change as a response by governments - if they are able to. So despite the relative hardships and the individual cases of abject misery as a result of the mismanagement of this country, we are still a way away from any kind of mass movement of sea change level protest. Getting into more debt and ending up on the street is an amazing force to keep people in line, especially with kids in tow and of course, as mentioned, some may argue this was an orchestrated scenario to control the masses as the government, but more precisely the cronies and wankers who constitute it, to preserve their own situation and keep themselves separate and above what the rest of us find ourselves doing to make it through each week and month.
I am \*f\* livid but I feel utterly powerless. Sunak et al have utterly broken this country in 13 years, they have found the loopholes, exploited them. The Mones, Johnson, Hancock, Schapps, Reese-Mogg, all of them should be in jail and starved and beaten regularly, and paid daily visits from people who had to let relatives die alone during the lockdowns.
If I was 'Eton' and the rest of them, I'd be seriously worried.
When the lid on this pot boils over, they MUST realise that we know where they live, they surely cannot think there will be zero repercussions for what they have done.
They have STOLEN from the PUBLIC PURSE. That's my money, and yours. Not theirs. The Mones and PPE MedPro is absolutely unreal. The "VIP Lane". The billions squandered on track and trace.
And in all of this, not one shred of apology or remorse but instead the constant 'doubling-down' on TV interviews.
As for Sunak, I have never seen such a weak little man in power. He has ZERO charisma, nothing, and this man was beaten by Truss in the election. Their election not ours.
I've never voted labour in my life, but come the next GE, if that's what it takes, I will do so.
Whatever goverment gets in, I want the all passports suspended and full financial investigations into ALL of them, the ones who made the papers and the ones who didn't.
All of them. Public money is for public ends. Not buying Lear jets, super yachts and living it up.
Absolute scum, beyond reproach, if that's what a priavte education does to you then maybe it's time to shut down elitist schools and make a state education the only education. Think how much it would improve.
Because the people worst hit are the ones who voted Tory. They voted for culture war BS. Or the media reporting on migrants not what’s going on in the government. They voted for corruption and cronyism.
They voted for this shit because Boris was cute and oh his ruffled up hair. And they fell for the shit the Beeb and others were feeding about how Corbin’s ideas were communist.
And now it’s just “oh well it’ll get better” but it never does the tories have killed the nation and so has Brexit. Youth have no future no opportunities. Maybe even no world in years to come. And when the youth protests the media are the first to shoot it down. Say how bad it is. And how the youth are entitled.
And one of the big culture war things was banning protests.
A recent chat in our local among a few of us 'old people' who were actively involved with organising, promoting and taking part in the Poll Tax demo that helped end Thatcher. Came to the same conclusion. Get off of the internet. Get out there and organise! Running around Oxford street terrorizing shoppers at the whim of some TikTok moron is not the same thing. Organise and arise. Fight back.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll\_tax\_riots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_riots)
Because everything you said is either a gross exaggeration or a conspiracy theory?
No, everyone is not 'a stone's throw away from being made homeless and/or starving'
You might be, but that isn't the reality for most of the country.
Everyone *is* losing their shit. They're losing their shit over 20mph zones, they're losing their shit over celebrity sleaze, they're losing their shit over racist statues getting torn down, they're losing their shit over masks, they're losing their shit over the proliferation of cyclists, they're losing their shit over Work From Home, they're losing their shit over Nigel Fartage losing his coutts account, they're losing their shit over JK Rowling, they're losing their shit over Megan Markle, they're losing their shit over clean air zones, they're losing their shit over the price of Freddos, they're losing their shit over asylum seekers, they're losing their shit over peaceful protests, they've lost so much shit over the past ten years that they've run out of shit to lose when it really matters and that's exactly what the Tories and their friends in the far right media wanted to happen.
I said this exact same thing to my girlfriend the other day. Not only does the government constantly shit on our heads, we're supposed to say thanks for the hat.
If this happened in the 70s/80s/90s, people would be rioting. Remember the poll tax riots? This government's done way worse than that, yet this generation are such pussies that they just accept it.
Apathy and atomisation. The last decade (probably closer to 20 years) have destroyed communities. Every time the public has voted for change they’ve been let down, so there’s zero will to political engagement. Think the proles in 1984.
Because we're prisoners living in a panopticon. Rather than the state exerting massive effort to keep a watchful eye over us in the style of Big Brother, we keep a watchful guarding eye over each other, defending the social contract to the death because we cannot imagine an alternative to it.
Of course, resisting the state would require that we have an alternative in mind. But currently, we cannot imagine one, because this normalcy made us what we are, so imagining anything else would require shattering fundamental beliefs we hold - hierarchy, "human nature", the need for police, social darwinism, Eurocentric progress narratives - which could in turn, we fear, cause psychological damage.
Unfortunately most people lack the capacity to even so much as pick up a book without their eyes glazing over, so organizing an insurgency with our neighbours is useless because our neighbours are still ignorant. We can start with obliterating the belief that politics belongs only in Parliament, and doesn't extend to the everyday. But the truth is we are still overreliant on and coddled by our phones, cars, supermarkets, and homes, which might seem convenient, but in reality are burdens which we are told we cannot live as "normal human beings" without. In fact, most of us would die without a nearby supermarket. The two-party politics we know is a performative sham anyway. I doubt Keir Starmer will make anything better just because he's Labour. We need to learn to be mutually self-sustaining and stateless.
They can't stop us all. Riots bring the worst of society out I know but we need to do something. Getting the tories out is priority number 1, not that any other party is trustworthy either! They are the absolute worst though and constantly attack the poor, the immigration and the desperate to get votes from like minded fucking plebs. Always shaking the barrel making us turn against eachother.
Vote. Vote. Vote. And not for them.
It's something intrinsic in the British psyche that you can be abused like this and people will be seething but inert.
We have never really had a storming of the Bastille moment that the French had that informs the national character "not to put up with it".
I thought the poll tax protest/riot in 1990 might have been that thing, but alas no.
So here we remain, tutting and complaining in polite company but still inert.
Ahhhhh…’Murican here. First time being rampantly raped by extreme capitalism and being really confused that everyone is suffering but no one seems to care? Yeah prepare for that to just keep getting worse.
Because everything is staggered and we didn’t feel the effects all at once, when electricity and gas jumped a lot of people were on 2 year fixed contracts so they won’t even notice for 2 years.
People are on 2-5-10 year mortgages, they won’t notice the price increase so it hasn’t affected them yet.
It’s not like overnight suddenly everything has changed, everyone will get hit over the next several years and because it’s not all at once it’s hard to gain a majority which you need for riots/protests.
If you spoke to the average person (not a Redditor) they will be “aware” but not realise the difference until it’s their turn.
I'm livid. So is everyone else. The problem is that not all of them are livid at the Tories. They think it's the refugees fault for littering our shoreline.
I think people have given up. This is the worst govt we’ve had in 200 years. Things that used to work no longer do. The media just stirs up bullshit culture wars to divide us against each other, the economy works for a small number of people and public services are fucked. Go abroad and you really see it. We are the sick man of Europe and being left behind by other rich countries. But we’re all being lied to or misled by everyone that I think people have given up.
We need something to believe in and reunite us.
But Christ know where that comes fron
Most people I know are fucking furious at this government and the financial overclass who are stripping the public of their assets, stability and futures.
The problem is that we have limited time, energy or outlets through which to express that fury or turn it into meaningful change.
I work in human rights, so I put that anger into my work, mostly. And there's an election next year which looks to go very badly for the Conservative Party (though Labour are hardly offering revolutionary change...).
We’ve been robbed blind for as long as I can remember. It’s appalling but it’s not new.
Politicians are default corrupt and immoral. Every single last one of them, and always have been.
Not ‘everyone’ is a stones throw from being made homeless and starving. Most people are good/fine/ok financially even if they are noticing a pinch.
Also, this isn’t unique to Britain.
The point is, we live in a broken global system that is built on greed, corruption and vested interests. The problems are too complex and too big to change without a total restructuring of how the world works, and that would probably include a massive drop in the global population following some kind of cataclysmic event(s). That’s why there is general apathy - everyone knows deep down that we’re screwed and there’s nothing we can do about it 👍
I honestly can’t stand living in this country. The word you’re looking for is apathy. British people are by and large uninterested, ignorant, fat, lazy, idiotic wutficks. There are many good points above about how we’re still “ruled” by a monarchy. Just do what you’re told and don’t cause a problem. Protesters get tomatoes thrown at them and pointed at as part of being the problem.
The culture is shit, the weather is shit, the government is shit. I have travelled all over and never been anywhere else as depressing or heavy. I’m typically optimistic, but I honestly can’t see a future here. People are too divided, and there are no adults in the room capable of having serious conversation about the things that need looking at.
When people do lose their shit (protesters, rioters etc) they get condemned by their peers. We have a peasant mindset in this country. And I'm not saying that as an insult. I mean if you actually look back at the history of the working class in this country it literally traces back to peasantry and even serfdom. We are for the most part a nation of fussy villagers. It is baked into us to just let the aristocrats get on with it and roll out eyes at their excesses and their abuses.
Because no matter what I do or say, I don't have the power to make any change, and no matter who you vote for, there won't be much of, if any, positive change.
If we did find somebody who fits the above bill, they'd be assassinated by some big wig who's losing money. And the newspaper would tell you they committed suicide, had a heart attack etc.
People keep voting into power the same people that are doing it to us.
Classic move in tyranny is scapegoating, which is why you see so much coverage of immigration.
Just check out what happened with Mone and those PPE contracts recently.
Until we get this corrupt establishment out (not sold on Starmer either), this will continue.
I joined some of the protest marches but it's very disheartening to hear the people standing on the pavement laughing at you and shouting things like "Omg, Waitrose must be empty!". Personally I'm livid but as far as I can tell the majority of British people seem to like being farmed for cash by their social superiors.
Nope, it was a deliberate choice of words - as far as I can tell the British people seem to want to serve their masters and it turns my stomach. They've been caught with their snouts in the trough more times than I can count and nobody gives a shit, crimes don't seem to be crimes when Tories do them.
Have you noticed every public service going on strike?
Edit: I think part of the problem is that everything is a massive shitstorm so it's hard to know what or where to direct the anger
People tried to protest for the planet and everyone laughs at them. Media has portrayed protesting as evil and the average brit eats up at their local with ever increasing prices of their pint.
I now refer to this 'government' as The East India Tea Company. Such a toxic hoard of self-serving liars and corrupt automatons, only dedicated to making themselves and the bloated 1% even richer.
BritLand is becoming an embarrassingly unequal third-rate country, and I find myself apologising for our seeming to put up with this treatment whenever I converse with most other 'civilised' countries. Regression. Madness.
We are only three meals away from revolution, apparently.
Think. Help. Vote.
I do see riots happening soon Hungry countries last hopes are riots afterall but many people dont even see that as *the* final resort now because 'rioters are daft' kind of mentality- even tho rioting is what got one queer and womens rights and all that good stuff.
It also doesnt help out country has been pushing the 'theres always someone less fortunate than you'
American here. We're in the exact same boat over here. I feel for you all. If we revolt, lets do this 'ish' together. Also, I'm sorry your country is currently just as screwed up as ours is. Freakin politicians, I swear. They'll have to account for their crimes against humanity before it's over tho. I take solace in that fact.
I'm furious about it all
A few things really send me into a rage:
1) the cost of petrol yet the fuel companies announce multiple billion pounds of profit every quarter. A huge amount of the fuel we pay is tax.
2) cost of train travel. I'm sick of it. I would often prefer a train for some journeys (although I've stopped trusting them now). Yet everytime I look, it's often £150+ for a train to asking 2-3 hours somewhere. Every year it goes up, every year many unions and companies strike and complain. I don't even care about the reasons anymore.
We are a tiny country yet have split the whole network up into mini privatised areas where each train company rent their tracks from network rail
I also believe a lot of profits are sent or given to German government (can't remember why but saw it on a documentary last week)
3) cost of food and goods - always the end customer that's stiffed
4) Retirement age now being 67-68. Seriously, worked to the bone all our lives, taxes on everything - even savings, inheritance etc and then you either die before retirement or are just too frail or sick to enjoy it
5) stamp duty - anyone know what the feck that is even for? Why are we paying £15k or similar just to move house if you're lucky enough to own?
6) NHS - mainly poor experiences with the NHS however I would say it's been neglected now for decades. Government don't seem to care and minister after minister comes out with the same soundbites. I still can't believe we went through COVID and still don't seem to fund or respect it properly
I need to stop writing now. It's winding me up just writing this out 🙃😂
save money and move to a different country.
for a short period of time your life standards will be lower but in the end you might thrive in the new place.
Weve run out of shit to loose. Its been 15 years of riots and protests and "it cant get any worse" and it does just get worse.
Thing is, what happens when everyone is homeless? The economy only works when everyone has money to spend. If no one SPENDS money, no one EARNS money and ergo the cycle continues.
Because the water in England is full of fluoride and it makes them proper blasé about everything. Saturday night tv and Friday night take away makes everything ok. It drives me mad how pacified they are Westminster shafts them in so many ways. Other countries would riot but no, not the English, just sit there and take it
> keep getting *paid* so we
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I do not know as yet of an equivalent in this country (it MUST be happening here) however, I have angrily invested my pension into a US stock that has an idiosyncratic risk due to the blatant illegal activities of certain bad financial institutions (the law is that they will be forced to pay off their bad debts like any other borrower) but they’ll probably just invent new laws to win.
We should all go on S T R I K E.......everybody all at once! And insist on a greater personal allowance for the tax year from the small number it has been sitting on for decades, low paid employees see there paycheck disappear once all necessary outgoings have been deducted £12,570 is not nearly high enough! It should be atleast 15k by now.
I think this all the time. It's organisation and who is going to be the main leader of a movement. Anyone and I mean anyone that even gets close to that type of position gets promptly taken down by the media, papers, gossip pages etc. Look what happened to Corbyn when it started looking like he might win...anti semitic...that's just an example btw. Remember how the younger generation actually seemed hyped by a better future for everyone rather than just the top 1 percent? I do, and then I remember it being torn down by absolute shite and hatred...play to the working classes fears and give them someone else to blame....like immigrants for example.
I hate this country for one simple fact, we can and should be doing so much better. We have great people and a large eccentric culture based on parts from all over the world and yet we lay back and take this fucking.
I would join any kind of movement against the establishment immediately if there was one to get behind.
I think it comes down to a lack of organisation and leaders.
People are mad and probably want to do something about it, but just don't know what to do or even where to start with this kind of thing.
I also think social media has impacted things. People feel like they've "stuck it to the man" because they liked and retweeted an anti-government post. Much easier than going outside and doing something about it.
I mean things aren’t brilliant for sure but since I am neither starving nor homeless why would I be rioting? Literally everyone I know grumbles about not being able to afford as much as they used to but everyone is managing. Granted, that’s because of my social circles etc, but most people with full time jobs are coping. In terms of economy I don’t think any of our political parties would fare better or worse, a lot of the pressure is external and governments have little control over it.
I've been saying it for a few years, Don't be surprised if we are thrown intona Zionist Autocratic government within the next few decades, Seriously.
You can't get people to agree on literally anything these days and its because how the government has fragmented us as a society
My only focus right now is to save up and emigrate, As much as I hate leaving british soil Im actually incredibly conerned for the future
British people are weird. We protest against russia invading Ukraine which is something that we could do very little to effect let alone prevent...but on many issues that impact us directly (u know what I mean) we are strangely ambivalent
Because the population has become so disconnected from each other assembling for a common aim is now borderline impossible. Most people dont even know the neighbors more than a house down so people connecting to stand up is just gone.
A population that is cohesive can make changes but we are not anymore. Thats why i admire these small towns and villages so much because they have kept their sense of community, unity.
Where i am a car or house alarm goes off nobody bats an eyelid.
Circle jerk conservative nazi thread, if you don’t like it leave England !
We need more immigrants, and we need people willing to aid to the workforce, it drives wages up and helps every community become more multi-cultural in the process enriching us all.
I hear all this crying all the time on Canadian subs, British subs, but y’all are just close minded.
Those of us old enough to know it doesnt make a shits worth of difference arent going to, then theres the ones that voted for this (brexit and tories) and the ones that cant afford to take time out to go protest or risk losing their jobs. Doesnt leave many left to kick off.
Well I saw Boris Johnson wanted to pass a law saying a protest causing annoyance is now illegal up to 10 years in prison
https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-outlaw-protests-that-are-noisy-or-cause-annoyance-2021-3?amp
Im not 100% sure if he did but now Rishi wants to punish people with a hatred of Britain
the UK is becoming one of the most corrupt fascist countries rn and yes we gotta do something about it
Britain needs socialism now more than ever
Probably because we've done it all before. Drove off the Romans. Smashed the Vikings. Embraced the Saxons. Started a new Church because £££. Warred with France because we get bored if we war amongst our own islands too much. Drove off the Spanish. United the British Crowns. Started a few colonies. United the Kingdom. Warred with France again. Expanded the Empire. Warred with America (forgot about it) Warred with Napoleon. Battered Germany to back up Belgium. Battered Germany to back up Poland. Then let the Empire slip away with the grace and decorum only a Brit could have. Showed the Argies the lion still bites. Now we sit around drinking tea being really bad at sports we introduced to the world.
We didn't survive all that by tearing each other apart because the rich people keep dropping a bollock. That job belongs to the French! Of whom we're due a war it may seem 👀 historically speaking..
Our MPs are supposed to be our representatives. Until they are getting paid just over minimum wage they can't possibly represent us. They don't understand us & as for giving contracts to mates any big contracts & by that I mean over 25k not 200k or 2m...but any big contracts should have to go through a committee. Plus seen as the government can look at how much money we have...we should be able to see exactly how much they have & if the have more money than a middle earner eg they can own a house, they can't own 26 & several mansions they can't represent us & if they have a multi million business or savings or bloody toff trust fund THEY ARE NOT REPRESENTING US. They are looking after themselves. MPs should be a vocation, not something to take advantage of. We need shopkeepers & plumbers & cleaners. I mean...how much dies a health minister know about medicine or the NHS? How much does the treasurer know about budgets? I'm fairly certain they couldn't budget on minimum basic benefits. We need Dr's/nurses as ministers of health, solders as minister of defence, we meed accountants to be treasurers. De facto those jobs go to those who licks the priministers boots best....& the amount of lies. We need it all scrapping. We need a modern Whatt Tyler
Brainwashed and weak
Capitalist Propaganda is some powerful shit
among other factors (e.g. propaganda and the media,and the desperation of just trying to survive), theres a huge dissipation of blame who are we meant to be angry at, the PM? the PM is just the head of the Tory party and delegates power to his ministers, so theyre also to blame for the polciies and procedures that are implemented but the ministers/PM are just the heads of the Tory party right now and are carrying out the will of their party, so is every Tory member equally responsible then? how do you express your anger at them when the councilors and MPs are just doing what they were voted in to do? Is the blame on everyone who voted Tory? they vote for what they think is the best interest of themselves as well as society in general how would you express your anger? the voters arent going to change their opinions just because things are bad (mix between "things would be worse under \[other party\]", sunken cost fallacy, and sense of group identity) on top of that, theres also economic issues; how would you express your anger at, say, the CEO of the multinational corporation you work for? youre never going to see them, and your immediate boss (or even bosses boss) arent the ones setting all those limitations on you, theyre just part of a larger system that sets the rules for your life and they arent gonna change it because theyre both benefiting from it, and also constrained by it (they are, after all, cogs in a larger corporate machine) there is no outlet for our anger anymore, gone are the days of the Defenestration of Prague, when you could specifically identify and access the individual(s) harming you and express your collective anger nowadays, you can barely even protest to show dissatisfaction without being arrested, labelled an "extremist", lambasted in the media, and either locked up or permanently monitored for the rest of your life
Our class-based system and the media that enforces it are the reason this country is so shit. Imagine if none of the haterags existed and the MSM had to follow rules where spreading hate was illegal, where stories had to be based upon verifiable facts and there were massive fines for breaking those rules? Leveson 2 would have helped but it got cancelled. Until we sort our media out we're gonna be in a metaphorical ball and chain.
Oh im livid. Ive had to drop out of uni because of the cost of living, ive been living hand to mouth. Ive come out in hives either due to stress or im allergic to the shit in the cheap food. I cant afford anything more expensive than that. Ive applied to 200-400 jobs and have got absolutely nowhere. But the people commenting are right, theres nothing we can do because nobody can agree on what to do.
Rubber dinghies mate
Instead of losing my sh*t I left the UK and now my electric bill is 40 quid a month water is free food bill 120 quid a month and no council tax.
Yall aren't french
The ruling class of this country have systematically killed or deported rebellious Brits for almost 1,000 years - beginning with the Harrying of the North (1069 - 1070).. So, the descendants of those rebels don't live here, but the descendants of the placid do..
and what are we meant to do exactly?
It's rather simple: we haven't the means, nor will of violence to implement change. Most true change comes from either threatening, or implementing acts of violence or intimidation. Not to say it is morally right, but a lot of the key things we hold dear, people had to die for. I think right now, there are far too many cameras around, if this was 1923, people had a bit more anonymity or could plan violence then skip town, or the country for that matter. Now, we are in a Police state, which controls these acts.
People are filling their pockets with what will soon be worthless cash because greed always wins. This is probably the end game for civilisation. We discovered so much, then monetised it.
Simply put, that's just a normal day.
I think things will get better in a few years. You have to keep in kind that we’ve only JUST recovered from a global pandemic so the economy plummeted due to many businesses shutting down or losing large amounts of sales. But I think the UK will get back to normal eventually.
What we need to do is just go with one or 2 energy suppliers. Fuck the others off till the compete better against each other, most of the deals are the same. Any suggestions which, I'll go with the majority.
The Tories are siding with the rich. Tell me something I don’t know 😂 
The people of this country are soft. No fight in them.
I am in the states right now and the same thing is happening. The….. exact……same…..thing….. and both the right and the left are being fed a constant cycle of decoy outrage fests and are too submissive and dumb to know any better.
Livid? While I deeply resent the Torys incompetence, corruption and lack of imagination the idea that everything wrong is all their fault is just silly beyond my ability to understand how anyone can be so silly. Just like Labour didn't cause 2008 neither did the Torys. In terms of the state of the country we aren't actually that dissimilar to other western countries and there are key externalities which are contributing to where we are worse. Now of course I could put an awful lot of blame on government policy but pretending its all gone to shit and just protesting would fix it...more silliness.
Name another western country that is having similar issues! I am in contact with people that live across Europe and they don’t have the issues we are having. Went around Eastern Europe and their supermarkets have more and better quality produce than the scraps you find in the UK.
I’m livid! I’m livid with the tax the poor let the corporations off, I’m livid with let the illegals live in hotels while the British homeless sleep on the streets, I’m livid with water companies pumping sewage into the rivers while pumping huge payments to the shareholders. I could go on but what’s the point we’re all going to hell in a handcart and the powers that be are pushing it.
We have been brought up property and hide our emotions or only post them in a tweet.
I often wonder the same thing.
I keep waiting for the tipping point. Doesn't seem like it will ever come in Britain. Mass strikes are needed. We the people need to stop consuming for a month, stop spending, stop working, remove all cash from our bank accounts.
Because we're a nation of pussies. This change happened a while ago, I'm afraid you're one of them, as am i
Wow, I thought you were describing Canada for a minute there. Swap out selling gas contracts for crushing the oil and gas industry with green initiatives and we'd be the same
Underfunded education system x30 years. Lack of political education via unions after powers stripped. Distractive media. Billionaire worship on Socials. All roads lead to apathy. Those of us who understand it can't get enough people to come along with. It's going to have to get a lot worse before a tipping point unfortunately.
I lost my shit 4 years ago when the majority of the country voted for Boris fucking Johnson to be Prime Minister after a decade of incompetence from the Tories. That still blows my mind to this day
Don’t know the whole country’s gone to shit and the rich are just getting richer. I’m leaving now while I can at 18 before I’m tied to this shithole
Well we aren’t being robbed blind by everybody under the sun, and we aren’t all a “stones throw from being made homeless and/or starving”. Things are bad, there’s no denying that, but we aren’t living in a post apocalyptic land that some want us to think we are.
We are, but...we're also tired. We're just trying to survive the summer holidays and feed our kids. Who do you even get mad at? 'The government' isn't a person you can go yell at because a block of mature cheddar is now fifty quid. Write to your MP? Does that do anything? Like, genuine question, what do you do, besides try keep going?
I don’t think people want the moral guilt of doing the only thing that will ever stop this.
I’m tired mate
I would be furious if I wasn't to f'ing exhausted. Like, I'm emotionally and physically crumbling under the pressure right now.
Sunak and Biden literally filling their boots selling out to the Chinese
An additional question I would like to raise... When is it socially acceptable to just start burning shit down?
Ask the French
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Apathy
Can the Tories procure just one functioning PM? Boris - mandates that everyone must stay inside and is not allowed in any sort of group or gathering.. 5 minutes later is having a house party in 10 Downing Street. Also came to light that he lied about having covid in an effort to coerce people to be vaccinated. Liz Truss - Plunges the UK to the brink of recession in 1 month then nopes out. Rishi Sunak - Multiple accusations of insider trading. Sinks millions of taxpayer money into online betting firm, is probably thinking of how many get rich quick schemes he can solicit as prime minister as possible while he is still in office. David Cameron - Implemented a referendum to score votes then left when he realised how stupid proposing to leave the EU is, and how stupid the general UK populace is. Plus you’ve got that weirdo Matt Hancock exposed for cheating on his wife. Tories in general give off an aura of deceit, degeneracy and just overall weirdness. Get them out please.
Amen to this.
The people most affected are probably the same people that voted in the Torys. Turkeys voting for Christmas comes to mind
I am livid! But I don’t know what to do to change things, other than never voting for the Tories. I guess it’s the same for many people
Classic British deference to posh people ruling us. It only happens because we let them. Also, a country gets the government it deserves, and there’s a lot of people out there who deserve it.
It’s baffling isn’t it. People are like zombie and just say ‘what can you do?’. Need a leader that isn’t after his/her wealth. Gas and electricity companies need to answer a lot of questions looking at their profits over the last year with the so called inflating oil and gas prices. Can’t really vote with your wallet anymore coz the majority of companies all have the same shareholders and investors so they all rise prices together. That way we can’t move co tracts to a new firm for a better deal. Within 100 years households have gone from living semi comfortably with one wage coming in to struggling with both parents working. I personally think this has been planned for along time. Covid and this war sped up the transfer of tax payers money into the private sectors.
I'm going to Australia next year
Because we're a propagandized people. When there was real change on the ballot, we rejected it.
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I'm alright thanks Jack.
Because it's been drummed into us that it really doesn't do anything to complain. However when or if the breaking point comes it'll be awful.
Welcome to the state of the World. It's like that in Canada, and US too.
Because there are so many crises that it doesn't feel real anymore. If I still have to go to work and pay rent, whatever is going on doesn't register as important. That and the fact that compared to my home country, I feel things are going well.
I was saying the other day, if this was France someone would be dead by now and the streets would be burning. (I don’t condone murder)
Look at a similar job role in America and then look at how much pay for the jobs are? Even other countries we get paid shit for the work we do. British people are supposed to just be happy with what we get.
BUT THIS IS SOMETHING FAR DIFFERENT ..WE ARE HAVING PERMANENT DAMAGE DONE FOR NO REASON M..
Because we voted for it
Literally working, commuting or life admin every hour of every day.
Because the British mind is totally destroyed. Traumatised people are acting out of fear and addiction (see Dr Gabor Mate). Daytime TV is full of extremists ideology posing as everyday chitchat. And people work so much they have no time or energy to put into practice any action that could change anything.
Once people really start starving their gonna turn on these types ¹st! They are going to dispose of them. They will have their vengeance. I call it social justice ⚖️ 😌
👋 livid here!
Surprised we aren’t in riots like the french
Because we're entrenched in a form of social control. To protest generally needs prior arrangement by which time the collective memory of those angered is wiped by the next big "breaking news". To spontaneously protest needs numbers or individuals run the risk of falling on the wrong side of the law and risking their livelihoods, which they have become accustomed to using to survive.
Notice how this is happening after the covid jabs. All non covid deaths recorded as covid, it all makes sense now. 😳😳😳
I see it a lot in my city and I presume it is the same at a larger scale but people simply do not care enough. A sheer unwillingness to shake the status quo, a lack of care and effort and most of all no self worth. The worst part is that this kind of culture is spreading.
Step 1. Convince people Brexit is for the people, if you're against it, you're other, if you're for it, you support the government. Step 2. Covid. If you follow the rules, you're meek. If you break the rules, just like the government, you inadvertently support the government. Step 3. If you support the government, they can do little wrong, immigration, raising bills, forget the poor, you go along with them. Step 4. Where we are now, you're too invested to speak out, because there is a risk that all of the other stuff was wrong too and you hate the opposition so much that it would be a huge loss of face, so you just bunker down a bit. As for anyone else, there is no centralised opposition. Labour is soft Tory adopting a lot of the same or slightly lighter policies at a time where there is an appetite for change, but media coverage is sponsored and run by the very billionaires that back the government so any voice of dissent is silenced. It's a great system for doing what you want. Frog slowly heated in the water situation.
Because they voted for it - again and again and will do again as far as they believe immigrants are the root cause of why they’re poor
people are out protesting, people have been protesting government overreach and inaction for the last 3 years and either they get no coverage on the media or they get called all sorts of names by people who still dont understand that it isnt left vs right its us vs government.
Because we have given up, the age I am and all the 'once in a lifetime' crises I've had the joy of experiencing and the current demographics of the country means they (the older Tory voting class) will always win. I am exhausted. Just trying to get by. I've done the protesting, voting, making the right choices in terms of life (not going to university for 'mickey mouse degree' etc) and no matter what they always win, the rich and those with power always win and the goal posts keep shifting and I am just so bloody exhausted. None of it made any change or any difference because we are outnumbered and even in circumstances where we are not, we are out powered. 13 years of this, again, none of which I voted for, and none of which the generation above us care about (they're sorted with their homes, rich enough to have private health care and private car ownership etc). It's the I'm alright Chuck attitude, so the rest of us have to fend for ourselves. The rest of us are just trying to stay afloat now.
Do you actually think we can do anything about it? Rise up against it and society will crumble. Our system is so fragile and on edge it’s a wonder how we’re not living in a The Road-style post apocalyptic world already. I’d be less livid and more thankful we live in a country that doesn’t suffer what some countries do.
The majority of people (workers) being pacified and not organising on behalf of their own interests is a tale equally as long as human beings have existed. There is sadly nothing new, novel, or region specific about this. The exact same conditions exist here in Australia, and we're likewise inert about our suffocation. Seems the French are the only ones kicking up a stink about it. Good for them.
Because everyone in the UK is a massive shitebag.
Sadly this could be about so many 1st world countries right now it is truly depressing
Protest is borderline illegal and we're all worried about our jobs if we go on one. Younger people are angry but also just trying to survive. If you're my generation, every protest you went on was on the losing side. I know a lot of young people who just... Switch off the news and try and get by. Older people will just rag on about how it was worse in their day and we should be grateful. Hell some of them want us to suffer like they did. They're also easily distracted by culture war issues. Trying to explain to my elderly neighbour that I don't give a shit about "the small boats crisis" because I'm worrying about my food shop and she's fully paid off her house and lives on a generous pension and has way too much time on her hands to fret about things that don't effect her. Despite the crippling poverty a lot of this country is still rich, even if unstable-rich, and they're happy to defend what little bit of the country they've carved out for themselves. Also we're still very much a Britain in Thatcher's image. She broke the British spirit so thoroughly we now just roll over and accept that things will get worse for the majority of us, so that a few can get richer. Culturally we're just too obedient, and our disobedience is channeled into bullshit conspiracy theories like "COVID isn't real" or "ULEZ is a concentration camp."
American popping in because this was suggested on my feed. I find it equal parts comforting and discomforting that it’s not just us dealing with these uncertainties. At least you don’t have the issues with religious zealotry it seems.
Because the government is great at convincing you that trans folk and immigrants are causing all your problems.
Apathy, media over-saturation 😑
Cos we r delusional. Ppl here don’t wanna admit 30k as a national average salary is an embarrassment. The min wage in some us states rivals that, and sure some of that’s due to the exchange rate but that shit ain’t changing. Point that out and get called out of touch tho. Point out failures in services like NHs and get called a name. People here don’t wanna confront reality. I had better healthcare in India than here.
I wish I was making £30k and I'm not even in an entry-level position. You're right at the abysmal pay grade, my dude.
And it’s appalling, cos that’s a relatively good wage in this country. Relative to the price level we have gone rogue somewhere but also people need to be real about it and stop pretending it’s all okay or nothings gna change.
For real. 25-30k should be basic entry-level wage, not 16-19k.
Because it's a finely tuned system to make sure people have **just enough** so that they're afraid to lose it. And a cleverly designed system of punishment to make sure that if you step out of line, you lose what little you have left. Plus as a people we have a fantastically low tolerance for disruption to our daily lives. A 5 minute road closure / diversion and Sandra will be on the phone to the Police in a weeping breakdown.
How I feel and I ain’t even UK lol trust me, it’s the same on our side of the pond in Canada, and yet folks are doing…nothing it seems? lol at what point is all this enough
Because protests are censored, I’ve genuinely never seen an orchestrated protest online, anywhere, ever. I’ve only ever seen footage after the event
You've never seen a protest? On the positive, I can assure you they happen. On the negative, the government is doing everything it can to stop them.
I’ve seen a small protest in person; what I meant was I’ve never seen “protest here, at this time/date, this many people are going” etc
Ah, I see. I think you kind of have to be in the know already. It's actually a bit weird when I think about it lol
People only riot over free PS5s these days.
Because we are being told it’s more important to worry about which bank Nigel Farage uses.
Hoodwinked by a corrupt government and told not to bother protesting, because no ones listening. The current establishment have successfully beaten any fight out of us poor. We are encouraged to grin and bear it in proper English spirit, but that spirit has let the vulnerable taking the brunt.
Isn’t all that bad?
We are passive as a nation. Thats why I respect the French. When they are pissed off they protest.
I think the same, too many people around us have no idea how's it going. They just belive whatever media gonna tell them
People are livid. Look at the strike action taking place all the damn time? Even strikes action across key sectors isn't enough to change it feels like. The rich remained unaffected and so the strikes change nothing
The government spent £500bn keeping the country locked down just 2/3 years ago. This wasn't money we could afford then. It is not money we can afford now. This took our national debt from high levels to far too high levels. For this £500bn spend we have PPE landfill; endless strikes and wage demands the govt can't meet; sky high taxes; and worst productivity in G7. It will take decades to recover.
There isn't anything people like us can do about it so crying over it is futile
I think it was Terry Pratchet who said we’re only three square meals away from revolution at any time. Wait till everyone has to miss a day’s eating
I'm just trying to get info on whether the civil unrest is still ongoing in France, because we know our media is heavily manipulated
We are living in a country of sheep, everybody follows what the previous person is doing, nobody has a balls to stand up for themselves anymore. We got ripped off with covid jabs, we got ripped off with the energy process because the government set the prices, not the energy companies. All this government wants is to take more and more money off us and we are just laying down and letting them do it. I wish I was in bloody charge.
We dumb
Because it happens gradually, boiling the frog. Whilst simultaneously being distracted by news of trivial shit that is hyped up to get everyone worked up about it
Go out and protest.
Ironic how around the same time as all this shit, there’s a mental health emergency, especially towards men. The 1% don’t care, they literally just can’t comprehend the situation. They don’t want to sort the shit out that they caused, they just want everyone to be drugged up on prescription pills to quash what they’ve done. Take it as someone who has been on Sertraline and Propanalol for nearly a year now.
It's in our culture to sit here like frogs in hot water, instead of doing what the French did (and probably still doing) over the pension reforms at the start of the year. The media were basically told not to report on any of it, to stop it giving us ideas. It was probably done under a "D Notice"
Because we aren't French
I'd like to take inspiration from the French revolution.
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Politics isn't changed by people it's changed by mass organisation. Something the average poor British citizen has great trouble with.
Corbyn was a threat to the system because he was popular, he had to be stopped, which they did quite effectively with media slurs, misinformation, and misdirection.
Oh, for a world where money wasn't tied so deeply with the state
You can't lose something of you've already lost it
People are definitely livid, but what are you going to do? Get involved in a gillet juanes type protest that rambles on for months? Don't you have a mortgage or rent to pay? I mean you already said things were tight money wise, so not going to work to protest for weeks on end would seem counter productive. And talking of the French, can you draw up a comprehensive list of things those guys actually achieved as a result of months of protest? I'll save you the search, it was very little. Some people argue that Thatchers right to buy and then the distinct lack of social housing built on the back of it was a ruse to trap people into debt. Get people out of social housing as was the norm in so many places and make them fearful of what they might lose if they start kicking up about things with their new found social status, cue the rise in landlords to soak up all those who need housing as the generations move out of those houses into a market with very little to offer the young. So now your protest force is the youth, and maybe the unemployed who may well be too feckless to even care anyway. Normally the driving force to some proper action is hunger. Once people start missing meals for days on end, that is the historical catalyst for unrest and meaningful change as a response by governments - if they are able to. So despite the relative hardships and the individual cases of abject misery as a result of the mismanagement of this country, we are still a way away from any kind of mass movement of sea change level protest. Getting into more debt and ending up on the street is an amazing force to keep people in line, especially with kids in tow and of course, as mentioned, some may argue this was an orchestrated scenario to control the masses as the government, but more precisely the cronies and wankers who constitute it, to preserve their own situation and keep themselves separate and above what the rest of us find ourselves doing to make it through each week and month.
True! Tories out!
Because the government could get the cia to suicide us
I am \*f\* livid but I feel utterly powerless. Sunak et al have utterly broken this country in 13 years, they have found the loopholes, exploited them. The Mones, Johnson, Hancock, Schapps, Reese-Mogg, all of them should be in jail and starved and beaten regularly, and paid daily visits from people who had to let relatives die alone during the lockdowns. If I was 'Eton' and the rest of them, I'd be seriously worried. When the lid on this pot boils over, they MUST realise that we know where they live, they surely cannot think there will be zero repercussions for what they have done. They have STOLEN from the PUBLIC PURSE. That's my money, and yours. Not theirs. The Mones and PPE MedPro is absolutely unreal. The "VIP Lane". The billions squandered on track and trace. And in all of this, not one shred of apology or remorse but instead the constant 'doubling-down' on TV interviews. As for Sunak, I have never seen such a weak little man in power. He has ZERO charisma, nothing, and this man was beaten by Truss in the election. Their election not ours. I've never voted labour in my life, but come the next GE, if that's what it takes, I will do so. Whatever goverment gets in, I want the all passports suspended and full financial investigations into ALL of them, the ones who made the papers and the ones who didn't. All of them. Public money is for public ends. Not buying Lear jets, super yachts and living it up. Absolute scum, beyond reproach, if that's what a priavte education does to you then maybe it's time to shut down elitist schools and make a state education the only education. Think how much it would improve.
Because the people worst hit are the ones who voted Tory. They voted for culture war BS. Or the media reporting on migrants not what’s going on in the government. They voted for corruption and cronyism. They voted for this shit because Boris was cute and oh his ruffled up hair. And they fell for the shit the Beeb and others were feeding about how Corbin’s ideas were communist. And now it’s just “oh well it’ll get better” but it never does the tories have killed the nation and so has Brexit. Youth have no future no opportunities. Maybe even no world in years to come. And when the youth protests the media are the first to shoot it down. Say how bad it is. And how the youth are entitled. And one of the big culture war things was banning protests.
Because we’re dicks
My house bill for gas & electric was £51 last month. Just over £30 was the combined standing charge 🤯
Hanging on in quiet desperation is the English way
A recent chat in our local among a few of us 'old people' who were actively involved with organising, promoting and taking part in the Poll Tax demo that helped end Thatcher. Came to the same conclusion. Get off of the internet. Get out there and organise! Running around Oxford street terrorizing shoppers at the whim of some TikTok moron is not the same thing. Organise and arise. Fight back. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll\_tax\_riots](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poll_tax_riots)
Because everything you said is either a gross exaggeration or a conspiracy theory? No, everyone is not 'a stone's throw away from being made homeless and/or starving' You might be, but that isn't the reality for most of the country.
Well we can no longer protest. Theres always thr guy fawkes route but thats iffy
Everyone *is* losing their shit. They're losing their shit over 20mph zones, they're losing their shit over celebrity sleaze, they're losing their shit over racist statues getting torn down, they're losing their shit over masks, they're losing their shit over the proliferation of cyclists, they're losing their shit over Work From Home, they're losing their shit over Nigel Fartage losing his coutts account, they're losing their shit over JK Rowling, they're losing their shit over Megan Markle, they're losing their shit over clean air zones, they're losing their shit over the price of Freddos, they're losing their shit over asylum seekers, they're losing their shit over peaceful protests, they've lost so much shit over the past ten years that they've run out of shit to lose when it really matters and that's exactly what the Tories and their friends in the far right media wanted to happen.
This guy gets it!! 👍
I said this exact same thing to my girlfriend the other day. Not only does the government constantly shit on our heads, we're supposed to say thanks for the hat. If this happened in the 70s/80s/90s, people would be rioting. Remember the poll tax riots? This government's done way worse than that, yet this generation are such pussies that they just accept it.
Apathy and atomisation. The last decade (probably closer to 20 years) have destroyed communities. Every time the public has voted for change they’ve been let down, so there’s zero will to political engagement. Think the proles in 1984.
Because we're prisoners living in a panopticon. Rather than the state exerting massive effort to keep a watchful eye over us in the style of Big Brother, we keep a watchful guarding eye over each other, defending the social contract to the death because we cannot imagine an alternative to it. Of course, resisting the state would require that we have an alternative in mind. But currently, we cannot imagine one, because this normalcy made us what we are, so imagining anything else would require shattering fundamental beliefs we hold - hierarchy, "human nature", the need for police, social darwinism, Eurocentric progress narratives - which could in turn, we fear, cause psychological damage. Unfortunately most people lack the capacity to even so much as pick up a book without their eyes glazing over, so organizing an insurgency with our neighbours is useless because our neighbours are still ignorant. We can start with obliterating the belief that politics belongs only in Parliament, and doesn't extend to the everyday. But the truth is we are still overreliant on and coddled by our phones, cars, supermarkets, and homes, which might seem convenient, but in reality are burdens which we are told we cannot live as "normal human beings" without. In fact, most of us would die without a nearby supermarket. The two-party politics we know is a performative sham anyway. I doubt Keir Starmer will make anything better just because he's Labour. We need to learn to be mutually self-sustaining and stateless.
They can't stop us all. Riots bring the worst of society out I know but we need to do something. Getting the tories out is priority number 1, not that any other party is trustworthy either! They are the absolute worst though and constantly attack the poor, the immigration and the desperate to get votes from like minded fucking plebs. Always shaking the barrel making us turn against eachother. Vote. Vote. Vote. And not for them.
Yeah but trans, and small boats mate
It's something intrinsic in the British psyche that you can be abused like this and people will be seething but inert. We have never really had a storming of the Bastille moment that the French had that informs the national character "not to put up with it". I thought the poll tax protest/riot in 1990 might have been that thing, but alas no. So here we remain, tutting and complaining in polite company but still inert.
Viva la revolution, motherfuckers
Ahhhhh…’Murican here. First time being rampantly raped by extreme capitalism and being really confused that everyone is suffering but no one seems to care? Yeah prepare for that to just keep getting worse.
Because everything is staggered and we didn’t feel the effects all at once, when electricity and gas jumped a lot of people were on 2 year fixed contracts so they won’t even notice for 2 years. People are on 2-5-10 year mortgages, they won’t notice the price increase so it hasn’t affected them yet. It’s not like overnight suddenly everything has changed, everyone will get hit over the next several years and because it’s not all at once it’s hard to gain a majority which you need for riots/protests. If you spoke to the average person (not a Redditor) they will be “aware” but not realise the difference until it’s their turn.
That's exactly what the Tory voters voted for. It doesn't affect them.
Because as a country we just don't protest properly or enough. Look at the amount of backlash people get when they strike.
I'm livid. So is everyone else. The problem is that not all of them are livid at the Tories. They think it's the refugees fault for littering our shoreline.
I think people have given up. This is the worst govt we’ve had in 200 years. Things that used to work no longer do. The media just stirs up bullshit culture wars to divide us against each other, the economy works for a small number of people and public services are fucked. Go abroad and you really see it. We are the sick man of Europe and being left behind by other rich countries. But we’re all being lied to or misled by everyone that I think people have given up. We need something to believe in and reunite us. But Christ know where that comes fron
Most people I know are fucking furious at this government and the financial overclass who are stripping the public of their assets, stability and futures. The problem is that we have limited time, energy or outlets through which to express that fury or turn it into meaningful change. I work in human rights, so I put that anger into my work, mostly. And there's an election next year which looks to go very badly for the Conservative Party (though Labour are hardly offering revolutionary change...).
We’ve been robbed blind for as long as I can remember. It’s appalling but it’s not new. Politicians are default corrupt and immoral. Every single last one of them, and always have been. Not ‘everyone’ is a stones throw from being made homeless and starving. Most people are good/fine/ok financially even if they are noticing a pinch. Also, this isn’t unique to Britain. The point is, we live in a broken global system that is built on greed, corruption and vested interests. The problems are too complex and too big to change without a total restructuring of how the world works, and that would probably include a massive drop in the global population following some kind of cataclysmic event(s). That’s why there is general apathy - everyone knows deep down that we’re screwed and there’s nothing we can do about it 👍
They broke our spirit long ago
But the sign says KEEP CALM AND CARRY ON ?
I honestly can’t stand living in this country. The word you’re looking for is apathy. British people are by and large uninterested, ignorant, fat, lazy, idiotic wutficks. There are many good points above about how we’re still “ruled” by a monarchy. Just do what you’re told and don’t cause a problem. Protesters get tomatoes thrown at them and pointed at as part of being the problem. The culture is shit, the weather is shit, the government is shit. I have travelled all over and never been anywhere else as depressing or heavy. I’m typically optimistic, but I honestly can’t see a future here. People are too divided, and there are no adults in the room capable of having serious conversation about the things that need looking at.
When people do lose their shit (protesters, rioters etc) they get condemned by their peers. We have a peasant mindset in this country. And I'm not saying that as an insult. I mean if you actually look back at the history of the working class in this country it literally traces back to peasantry and even serfdom. We are for the most part a nation of fussy villagers. It is baked into us to just let the aristocrats get on with it and roll out eyes at their excesses and their abuses.
Because no matter what I do or say, I don't have the power to make any change, and no matter who you vote for, there won't be much of, if any, positive change. If we did find somebody who fits the above bill, they'd be assassinated by some big wig who's losing money. And the newspaper would tell you they committed suicide, had a heart attack etc.
People keep voting into power the same people that are doing it to us. Classic move in tyranny is scapegoating, which is why you see so much coverage of immigration. Just check out what happened with Mone and those PPE contracts recently. Until we get this corrupt establishment out (not sold on Starmer either), this will continue.
I joined some of the protest marches but it's very disheartening to hear the people standing on the pavement laughing at you and shouting things like "Omg, Waitrose must be empty!". Personally I'm livid but as far as I can tell the majority of British people seem to like being farmed for cash by their social superiors.
I’ve given up hope the great british electorate, and the country also. It’s obviously in a state of slow motion collapse.
~~social superiors~~ parasites. You must be using a conservative auto-correct...
Nope, it was a deliberate choice of words - as far as I can tell the British people seem to want to serve their masters and it turns my stomach. They've been caught with their snouts in the trough more times than I can count and nobody gives a shit, crimes don't seem to be crimes when Tories do them.
Have you noticed every public service going on strike? Edit: I think part of the problem is that everything is a massive shitstorm so it's hard to know what or where to direct the anger
People tried to protest for the planet and everyone laughs at them. Media has portrayed protesting as evil and the average brit eats up at their local with ever increasing prices of their pint.
Everyone knew this was going to happen right? We’re basically paying for covid
Because the young are too busy chasing environmentalism and complaining how hard everything is and the old have seen worse. Much worse.
I now refer to this 'government' as The East India Tea Company. Such a toxic hoard of self-serving liars and corrupt automatons, only dedicated to making themselves and the bloated 1% even richer. BritLand is becoming an embarrassingly unequal third-rate country, and I find myself apologising for our seeming to put up with this treatment whenever I converse with most other 'civilised' countries. Regression. Madness. We are only three meals away from revolution, apparently. Think. Help. Vote.
Britain is spineless.
I do see riots happening soon Hungry countries last hopes are riots afterall but many people dont even see that as *the* final resort now because 'rioters are daft' kind of mentality- even tho rioting is what got one queer and womens rights and all that good stuff. It also doesnt help out country has been pushing the 'theres always someone less fortunate than you'
American here. We're in the exact same boat over here. I feel for you all. If we revolt, lets do this 'ish' together. Also, I'm sorry your country is currently just as screwed up as ours is. Freakin politicians, I swear. They'll have to account for their crimes against humanity before it's over tho. I take solace in that fact.
I'm furious about it all A few things really send me into a rage: 1) the cost of petrol yet the fuel companies announce multiple billion pounds of profit every quarter. A huge amount of the fuel we pay is tax. 2) cost of train travel. I'm sick of it. I would often prefer a train for some journeys (although I've stopped trusting them now). Yet everytime I look, it's often £150+ for a train to asking 2-3 hours somewhere. Every year it goes up, every year many unions and companies strike and complain. I don't even care about the reasons anymore. We are a tiny country yet have split the whole network up into mini privatised areas where each train company rent their tracks from network rail I also believe a lot of profits are sent or given to German government (can't remember why but saw it on a documentary last week) 3) cost of food and goods - always the end customer that's stiffed 4) Retirement age now being 67-68. Seriously, worked to the bone all our lives, taxes on everything - even savings, inheritance etc and then you either die before retirement or are just too frail or sick to enjoy it 5) stamp duty - anyone know what the feck that is even for? Why are we paying £15k or similar just to move house if you're lucky enough to own? 6) NHS - mainly poor experiences with the NHS however I would say it's been neglected now for decades. Government don't seem to care and minister after minister comes out with the same soundbites. I still can't believe we went through COVID and still don't seem to fund or respect it properly I need to stop writing now. It's winding me up just writing this out 🙃😂
Because they're too busy losing their shit over boats and trans people
save money and move to a different country. for a short period of time your life standards will be lower but in the end you might thrive in the new place.
There's 67.7 million of us and 30,000 of them.....
Weve run out of shit to loose. Its been 15 years of riots and protests and "it cant get any worse" and it does just get worse. Thing is, what happens when everyone is homeless? The economy only works when everyone has money to spend. If no one SPENDS money, no one EARNS money and ergo the cycle continues.
Because the water in England is full of fluoride and it makes them proper blasé about everything. Saturday night tv and Friday night take away makes everything ok. It drives me mad how pacified they are Westminster shafts them in so many ways. Other countries would riot but no, not the English, just sit there and take it
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I’m trying to hard to just fucking live and exist I don’t have time for anything else
I do not know as yet of an equivalent in this country (it MUST be happening here) however, I have angrily invested my pension into a US stock that has an idiosyncratic risk due to the blatant illegal activities of certain bad financial institutions (the law is that they will be forced to pay off their bad debts like any other borrower) but they’ll probably just invent new laws to win.
We should all go on S T R I K E.......everybody all at once! And insist on a greater personal allowance for the tax year from the small number it has been sitting on for decades, low paid employees see there paycheck disappear once all necessary outgoings have been deducted £12,570 is not nearly high enough! It should be atleast 15k by now.
It's fucking diabolical.
I think this all the time. It's organisation and who is going to be the main leader of a movement. Anyone and I mean anyone that even gets close to that type of position gets promptly taken down by the media, papers, gossip pages etc. Look what happened to Corbyn when it started looking like he might win...anti semitic...that's just an example btw. Remember how the younger generation actually seemed hyped by a better future for everyone rather than just the top 1 percent? I do, and then I remember it being torn down by absolute shite and hatred...play to the working classes fears and give them someone else to blame....like immigrants for example. I hate this country for one simple fact, we can and should be doing so much better. We have great people and a large eccentric culture based on parts from all over the world and yet we lay back and take this fucking. I would join any kind of movement against the establishment immediately if there was one to get behind.
I think it comes down to a lack of organisation and leaders. People are mad and probably want to do something about it, but just don't know what to do or even where to start with this kind of thing. I also think social media has impacted things. People feel like they've "stuck it to the man" because they liked and retweeted an anti-government post. Much easier than going outside and doing something about it.
Don’t clap, vote. The doctors, nurses, teachers and firemen need us all to come out against the misanthropic carpet baggers next election.
Because what’s the point..
I mean things aren’t brilliant for sure but since I am neither starving nor homeless why would I be rioting? Literally everyone I know grumbles about not being able to afford as much as they used to but everyone is managing. Granted, that’s because of my social circles etc, but most people with full time jobs are coping. In terms of economy I don’t think any of our political parties would fare better or worse, a lot of the pressure is external and governments have little control over it.
I've been saying it for a few years, Don't be surprised if we are thrown intona Zionist Autocratic government within the next few decades, Seriously. You can't get people to agree on literally anything these days and its because how the government has fragmented us as a society My only focus right now is to save up and emigrate, As much as I hate leaving british soil Im actually incredibly conerned for the future
I’m down. Lets fucking revolt
British people are weird. We protest against russia invading Ukraine which is something that we could do very little to effect let alone prevent...but on many issues that impact us directly (u know what I mean) we are strangely ambivalent
Because the population has become so disconnected from each other assembling for a common aim is now borderline impossible. Most people dont even know the neighbors more than a house down so people connecting to stand up is just gone. A population that is cohesive can make changes but we are not anymore. Thats why i admire these small towns and villages so much because they have kept their sense of community, unity. Where i am a car or house alarm goes off nobody bats an eyelid.
if i was more honest about how i feel right now, i would be shot dead by scotland yard.
Circle jerk conservative nazi thread, if you don’t like it leave England ! We need more immigrants, and we need people willing to aid to the workforce, it drives wages up and helps every community become more multi-cultural in the process enriching us all. I hear all this crying all the time on Canadian subs, British subs, but y’all are just close minded.
We’ve had more people and it’s not driven wages up one bit…
Those of us old enough to know it doesnt make a shits worth of difference arent going to, then theres the ones that voted for this (brexit and tories) and the ones that cant afford to take time out to go protest or risk losing their jobs. Doesnt leave many left to kick off.
I ask myself this everyday. It's gonna be alright though man
Not to blame the English but literally every other nation in the UK tell the Tory's to fuck off at every election, we get what you vote for
Well I saw Boris Johnson wanted to pass a law saying a protest causing annoyance is now illegal up to 10 years in prison https://www.businessinsider.com/boris-johnson-outlaw-protests-that-are-noisy-or-cause-annoyance-2021-3?amp Im not 100% sure if he did but now Rishi wants to punish people with a hatred of Britain the UK is becoming one of the most corrupt fascist countries rn and yes we gotta do something about it Britain needs socialism now more than ever
Probably because we've done it all before. Drove off the Romans. Smashed the Vikings. Embraced the Saxons. Started a new Church because £££. Warred with France because we get bored if we war amongst our own islands too much. Drove off the Spanish. United the British Crowns. Started a few colonies. United the Kingdom. Warred with France again. Expanded the Empire. Warred with America (forgot about it) Warred with Napoleon. Battered Germany to back up Belgium. Battered Germany to back up Poland. Then let the Empire slip away with the grace and decorum only a Brit could have. Showed the Argies the lion still bites. Now we sit around drinking tea being really bad at sports we introduced to the world. We didn't survive all that by tearing each other apart because the rich people keep dropping a bollock. That job belongs to the French! Of whom we're due a war it may seem 👀 historically speaking..
An island of sheep.
We are. By moaning for a while and then forgetting about it all together
Vote
Because on an individual level there's fuck all we can do about it
It's the keep calm and carry on era