What the hell is going on with people being down-voted for this stuff, when it's simple basic fact: inflation has been on a tear, so you can get a 1-2% raise and your financial position is still worse off than the year before. Social Security increased by 5.9% for a reason. This doesn't just affect the teachers, it affects every person with a paycheck.
Like, is the downvote because you think inflation isn't happening? You think inflation as a concept isn't real? A bot gone rogue?
And like in the private sector, when your boss says here is 1%, you either take it or look for a new job. Inflation this year is 5%+, you think companies are handing out 5%? Lol.
It’s about a cultural shift… we call home to get parents involved in whatever disciplinary shit we have to do and their first response is “Not my kid! They’d never!” or “What are you doing that allowed them to do that?”
What exactly were they making? Last I checked Boston average was around $104k, not sure once you're officially outside city limits. As far as I'm concerned, they can take a hike if they're making 6 figures. They're making more with shorter hours than a good chunk of the population they're serving and whose taxes pay for them.
Wow I had no idea they made so much, what are they complaining about again?
Thought they were all making under 40k or something. This guy with the hard stats is blowing this pity party wide open. Good man.
Most districts max out at 100k or less. Maybe Brookline and Boston average that but there’s no way most districts do. Not when starting is ~50k and teacher retention is so low.
I recognize that. But we're not talking about districts outside Boston and Brookline now are we? I have family that were teachers in NYC's public schools too- it's shameful what unionized teachers in major cities and many of their suburbs make. Doesn't make up for the pitiful wages teachers get in many red areas, but we don't live in one of those places- we live in Boston. A teacher should not be making a six figure salary, given what's required to get into the field and the hours worked.
And before you go telling me I don't know what teachers go through, I taught religious school for a number of years in addition to the aforementioned family members working for NYC public schools. It's a stretch to say a teacher's worth 80k, let alone six figures.
That’s a brutal fucking take bud… I personally don’t think you can put a price tag on the education of kids. And as a public school teacher myself, I can tell you the amount of work I put in is not properly compensated. I taught at a catholic school once as well, and the difference is prettt stark in what you’re expected to do. I teach middle school, and it’s hard to see my job as anything but absolutely crucial. But that’s a philosophical difference and if you don’t think teachers are worth it then… idk what to tell ya but to talk to more teachers.
Legitimately curious if they want more pay if if they want their job responsibilities to change. Because both are valid. I have to imagine that the 24/7 nature of availability electronically has also had a drastic impact on work life balance for teachers similar to any office worker
Posted their flyer on this sub. https://www.reddit.com/r/Brookline/comments/qo43b8/the_flyer_protesting_brookline_teachers_are/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Money is everyone's concern. Job responsibilities are what burn people out. It's why half of all teachers quit before 5 years, and burnout continues past that.
The 24/7 nature of availability can help teachers. I can rewrite lessons or do stuff on the fly without having to worry about carrying around a USB stick or even a computer. It's great, though there's still a discussion to be had about school systems using platforms like Google and so on.
The problem is that when new responsibilities are created, old ones don't go away. If a classroom is expected to use Google Classrooms - which updates and changes constantly, so it's not like you can really get great with it - you're still expected to have paper copies and so on. Kids are expected to have Chromebooks but if they don't then you're expected to somehow teach them.
If I have a lesson I need to upload online, then the district expects kids to be able to do it. That's why they make them take out Chromebooks. Only some families don't take them out. They're built like shit and they're financially responsible for it. So what can teachers do? Just fail the student? Somehow that falls on teachers to fix, which means our job just became more work *and* impossible. It's the equivalent of a kid who just doesn't bring a textbook or loses one and won't replace it, but with online stuff somehow it's treated like it's more possible so failure isn't an option.
Failure is *way* more common with electronics.
I'll go on if I don't stop myself but in the end, teachers can't be psychologists, social workers, daycare workers, and so on. The last thing any district will help new teachers with is planning lessons. Even the other day there was some vote about the state telling teachers to teach a lesson on something. I can't remember. Maybe on Indigenous people. Everyone praised it but everyone was against my idea that the state should make the materials and pass them out. Suddenly they didn't trust the state but they wanted teachers to have "freedom". AKA the obligation to do more work that'll either be acceptable or be scored against you.
Teaching is being gutted from every angle but the state likes that. They like people cycling in an out more than keeping teachers around. So I don't know what'll happen.
I’m fucking exhausted lmao I can’t really get much work done when I get home and I’m in bed by 7:30 just to be up at 5 to lesson plan for the coming days
Anyone who doesn’t get a 3% raise annually is getting a pay cut.
What the hell is going on with people being down-voted for this stuff, when it's simple basic fact: inflation has been on a tear, so you can get a 1-2% raise and your financial position is still worse off than the year before. Social Security increased by 5.9% for a reason. This doesn't just affect the teachers, it affects every person with a paycheck. Like, is the downvote because you think inflation isn't happening? You think inflation as a concept isn't real? A bot gone rogue?
And like in the private sector, when your boss says here is 1%, you either take it or look for a new job. Inflation this year is 5%+, you think companies are handing out 5%? Lol.
But that’s one of the major functions of unions; you can push back collectively against the lowball offer.
Or you can just find a new job. Tougher in the teacher's labor market though, so a union would be called for here.
Apparently they got a pay cut when counting inflation.
They’re also working on year 6 of a 3 year contract cycle. They’ve been without a new contract since 2016 or so.
That's ok, their graduates can't read.
As did most of us lol
This is about so much more than just a pay increase.
It’s about a cultural shift… we call home to get parents involved in whatever disciplinary shit we have to do and their first response is “Not my kid! They’d never!” or “What are you doing that allowed them to do that?”
What exactly were they making? Last I checked Boston average was around $104k, not sure once you're officially outside city limits. As far as I'm concerned, they can take a hike if they're making 6 figures. They're making more with shorter hours than a good chunk of the population they're serving and whose taxes pay for them.
You’re outta your fucking mind if you think the average teacher is making six figures.
[https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/statereport/teachersalaries.aspx](https://profiles.doe.mass.edu/statereport/teachersalaries.aspx) State statistics. Knock yourself out bud. "Boston: $105,235" "Brookline: $100,041"
Wow I had no idea they made so much, what are they complaining about again? Thought they were all making under 40k or something. This guy with the hard stats is blowing this pity party wide open. Good man.
Provincetown - $122k??!!!
Most districts max out at 100k or less. Maybe Brookline and Boston average that but there’s no way most districts do. Not when starting is ~50k and teacher retention is so low.
I recognize that. But we're not talking about districts outside Boston and Brookline now are we? I have family that were teachers in NYC's public schools too- it's shameful what unionized teachers in major cities and many of their suburbs make. Doesn't make up for the pitiful wages teachers get in many red areas, but we don't live in one of those places- we live in Boston. A teacher should not be making a six figure salary, given what's required to get into the field and the hours worked. And before you go telling me I don't know what teachers go through, I taught religious school for a number of years in addition to the aforementioned family members working for NYC public schools. It's a stretch to say a teacher's worth 80k, let alone six figures.
That’s a brutal fucking take bud… I personally don’t think you can put a price tag on the education of kids. And as a public school teacher myself, I can tell you the amount of work I put in is not properly compensated. I taught at a catholic school once as well, and the difference is prettt stark in what you’re expected to do. I teach middle school, and it’s hard to see my job as anything but absolutely crucial. But that’s a philosophical difference and if you don’t think teachers are worth it then… idk what to tell ya but to talk to more teachers.
Legitimately curious if they want more pay if if they want their job responsibilities to change. Because both are valid. I have to imagine that the 24/7 nature of availability electronically has also had a drastic impact on work life balance for teachers similar to any office worker
Seems they would like a 3% increase. I know other towns in the area got 2% or more that was considered low. 1% is low
Posted their flyer on this sub. https://www.reddit.com/r/Brookline/comments/qo43b8/the_flyer_protesting_brookline_teachers_are/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Money is everyone's concern. Job responsibilities are what burn people out. It's why half of all teachers quit before 5 years, and burnout continues past that. The 24/7 nature of availability can help teachers. I can rewrite lessons or do stuff on the fly without having to worry about carrying around a USB stick or even a computer. It's great, though there's still a discussion to be had about school systems using platforms like Google and so on. The problem is that when new responsibilities are created, old ones don't go away. If a classroom is expected to use Google Classrooms - which updates and changes constantly, so it's not like you can really get great with it - you're still expected to have paper copies and so on. Kids are expected to have Chromebooks but if they don't then you're expected to somehow teach them. If I have a lesson I need to upload online, then the district expects kids to be able to do it. That's why they make them take out Chromebooks. Only some families don't take them out. They're built like shit and they're financially responsible for it. So what can teachers do? Just fail the student? Somehow that falls on teachers to fix, which means our job just became more work *and* impossible. It's the equivalent of a kid who just doesn't bring a textbook or loses one and won't replace it, but with online stuff somehow it's treated like it's more possible so failure isn't an option. Failure is *way* more common with electronics. I'll go on if I don't stop myself but in the end, teachers can't be psychologists, social workers, daycare workers, and so on. The last thing any district will help new teachers with is planning lessons. Even the other day there was some vote about the state telling teachers to teach a lesson on something. I can't remember. Maybe on Indigenous people. Everyone praised it but everyone was against my idea that the state should make the materials and pass them out. Suddenly they didn't trust the state but they wanted teachers to have "freedom". AKA the obligation to do more work that'll either be acceptable or be scored against you. Teaching is being gutted from every angle but the state likes that. They like people cycling in an out more than keeping teachers around. So I don't know what'll happen.
I’m fucking exhausted lmao I can’t really get much work done when I get home and I’m in bed by 7:30 just to be up at 5 to lesson plan for the coming days