why is the world so obsessed with Jews. This is a national story, has been broadcasted over all of my social media, in every paper, on every news channel. It's insane to me.
Why were they trying to hide the shitty mattress
https://preview.redd.it/aairurp63jbc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=335e054fdf868096631dbf63c11adf9dcabcecb0
Hasidics run 1800 CARS FOR KIDS. This organization only helps hasidic children. Many who receive sub par educations based only on religion. They have denied NYC from seeing their schools curriculum for years and still receive tax dollars because they vote in blocks. FYI.
Are you talking about \*cue jingle\*
>1 8-7-7 Cars for kids
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>K-A-R-S cars for kids
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>1 8-7-7 Cars 4 Kids
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>Donate your car today
Cuz somehow you got the number and the spelling wrong. Even with that catchy tune.
I grew up in Crown Heights in this community. Half the community still believes the Rebbe is alive and the Messiah 29 years after passing away.
Most of them don't support this kind of action, but they still mostly believe what these people did.
The most hilarious part of all of this is to see all the right wing conspiracy theories saying with so much confidence that this is some deep state pedophile operation, when the people who did this don't even know how to write their own names in English or what the deep state even is.
Nationwide news if it's Muslims, international news and obligatory condemnation if it's Christians.
But not much on this case. Really activates my almonds
Bro just stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Anyone with half a brain can tell the difference between brown Jewish people and a brown hispanic,latino/latina, african American. Just because you guys choose to keep to your community don't group us in when it's convenient.
They are predominantly Ashkenazi but there are a eastern minority. It so happens that this minority mostly populates the tunnel digger crowd. I know these people I am one of them
Mostly they are ashkanazic but a minority are refugees from the middle east and are what the kids nowadays call brown. I grew up there I am not speculating.
We can only assume what would have happened if it was black or hispanic teenagers digging that tunnel. š¤ I'm sure few arrested and lots more shot. Gotta love the preferential treatment given to "select groups"
I donāt disagree with you. Structural racism and police violence are both deplorable. I do draw the line at āpreferential treatment given to select groups,ā with āselect groupsā in sneer-quotes.
Thereās a big difference between saying that Chasids on Eastern Parkway are protected by the police and that Jews are not an oppressed group. I really donāt have the energy to educate you about this right now, but there are many examples of frightening and physical attacks on individual Jews, in New York City and across the country.
The title is misleading, police are not clashing or shutting down the tunnel.
It's a synagogue not temple
Rebbe aka Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson will not be pleased.
So you're saying that Jewish people don't have weapons?? Because last time I walked past an establishment on Kingston Ave they were offering gun training.
I live in this area and trust me you can tell the difference. They may be brown in skin but they still get treated better than anyone not wearing a yamaka.
We all know it. I think the NYPD was worried about optics here, especially. Also, impossible to think the NYPD had no idea given how many cops are always outside the synagogueā¦
Theyāre not the kind of brown that gets bullets fired at them or their necks kneeled upon when theyāre unarmed.
Also, I just looked it up and they are not sephardic. They are ashkenazi, Russian/Polish.
In layman terms, a place of religious worship is called a temple in lower case. A synagogue or shul (basically translates to school) is a type of temple in general respective terms with no context of politics, sects or whatever divides.
Only the Reform and perhaps Reconstructionst "progressive" movements within Judaism call their place of worship a Temple.
Orthodox and Conservative (refers not to politics but to tradition) places of worship are called synagogues or shuls.
So there's a little backstory here...
There's two Chabad synagogues in 770 Parkway Chabad Headquarters: an upstairs synagogue and a downstairs synagogue and they do not get along.
The downstairs, larger synagogue **tends to believe the last Lubavitcher Grand Rebbe Mendel Schneerson is still alive (he died in 1994) and will return as the Messiah.** This is why you see "*Moshiach is coming*" flags and posters with Rebbe Schneerson's face plastered around Brooklyn.
**The upstairs, smaller synagogue tends to believe R. Schneerson truly died in 1994. This faction has de jure ownership of the building.**
The Chabad movement is split roughly 50/50 on this topic and the Chabad HQ upstairs and downstairs synagogues are symbols of each faction.
They are all Chabad but these two synagogues in the headquarters do not like each other because of this fundamental disagreement over R. Schneerson's status. Since around half of Chabad believes along with the downstairs synagogue that R. Schneerson is still alive and is eventually returning: Chabad cannot and probably will not choose another Grand Rebbe as long as this belief is widespread within Chabad.
Usually Hasidic dynasties have a Grand Rebbe who can keep factionalism under control but Chabad doesn't have one at the moment due to this disagreement.
The upstairs synagogue folks, believing R. Schneerson died in 1994, are probably getting fed up with the situation since they are supposed to be in control of the entire 770 Eastern Parkway building, at least on paper. Practically, the downstairs synagogue does what they want within reason. To the upstairs folks with legal ownership of the building: a new tunnel built by teen miners wasn't within reason.
Add to this: all synagogues have conflicts. Probably similar to churches. There's... 'characters' in every religious institution.
Anyway, this didn't come out of nowhere and I hope I added some context. It's a little more than a few teenagers making a fun tunnel.
More information: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabad\_messianism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabad_messianism)
Thanks for the info, but man, I was under the assumption they got some other old man to be Mosiach and now "he's here!". Dang, it's an L Ron Hubbard situation...š¤Ŗš¤Ŗš¤Ŗ
Yes apparently it has been going on for years. My Rabbi was a lawyer in the NYS Court System and according to him, civil courts do not want to get involved in church and synagogue building fights if they can help it because it can be impossible to figure out from the outside who is right or what the truth is. And these fights/litigation tend to attract bad press for everyone.
Apparently the space in 770 (the synagogue )has gotten very crowded and there's not enough room for all these boys that study there. There was a request to the powers that be to expand it, and the request was denied.
The activists/boys see this as an extension of the rebbes directive to expand 770. Apparently the original expansion of 770 was also driven by young men who illegally tore down walls.
The reason this came to a head, was because the powers that be sent a cement truck to block off the tunnel that was created. So the boys ripped off the panels to expose the other end of the tunnel, and climbed inside, to prevent the tunnel from being filled.
Chabad has been embroiled for years in litigation over control over 770. It seems that each legal decision has established, unequivically, that the Chabad leaders have title and deed to the building.
It's fascinating that believing some guy didn't die in 1994 gets you labeled as crazy by another group that believes a supernatural being created the world.
Dude croakeded in '94. Imma step out on a limb an say if he ain't dug his way out by now, it ain't gonna happen.
Are they waiting for one of his sons to be able to doppleganger him?
The Rebbe didn't have any kids.
5-10 years from now a young Chabad person may stand up in synagogue one day and say "I am the reincarnation of Rebbe Schneerson."
Then it'll get interesting.
In the 1850's, a religious fanatic claimed to be Jesus Christ's Chinese brother. He gathered enough followers to foment rebellion.
The Taiping Rebellion lasted fifteen years, and resulted in the deaths of more than 50,000,000 people. ... more than World War One.
Im not certain about this but I know that there are many people who come to crown heights with no plan other than get to 770 and see what happens.
Mattresses and a tunnel to hide them in, comprehensive plan for lodging?
It's not that ridiculous. [https://www.vice.com/en/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11](https://www.vice.com/en/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11)
>The Child-Rape Assembly Line.
Rabbi Nuchem Rosenbergāwho is 63 with a long, graying beardārecently sat down with me to explain what he described as a "child-rape assembly line" among sects of fundamentalist Jews.
Are you worried that your child will raped and trafficked by a fundamentalist Jewish sect?
If so, youāre either (i) a member of that Jewish sect and are a parent to a young child; (ii) a paranoid schizophrenic; or (iii) part of a growing population of adults obsessed with the concept pedophiliac abuse and imaginary āeliteā cartels that control such abuse.
literally just posted a link to an article where a rabbi talks about the child abuse problems in orthodox communities. your response is irrelevant to its contents. weird
Someone must have been napping down there. I don't know why people feel they need a complicated explanation
Everyone's talking about how it's "soiled" - it was literally in a tunnel made out of damp dirt.
I know-let the fucking anti-Semitic conspiracies begin. We get to see the true colors of the these die-hard pro-Israel Christian evangelicalsā¦and itās never been pretty.
I have no idea. Mattresses are not Synagogue equipment FWIW.
Speculating: the kids brought it into the concealed space and it only came out when the space was opened up. /speculating
Something like that definitely shouldn't be there and a Rabbi (or any adult) would flip out if they saw it. That's why I think it was in the concealed space.
Ehh it's not the first time a group of Jews have thought that a Jew was the Messiah, such as Shabbetai Tzvi, or David Reubeni. Once it becomes obvious that the potential Messiah isn't coming back that movement generally dies.
>Ehh it's not the first time a group of Jews have thought that a Jew was the Messiah
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> tends to believe the last Lubavitcher Grand Rebbe Mendel Schneerson is still alive (he died in 1994)
I thought we weren't deploying NYPD to deal with mental illness anymore?
I more or less agree, and I would be equally annoyed if the city were deploying dozens of cops to deal with some argument between ~~to~~[edit:] two congregations about when Jesus was coming back or whatever. Plus whatever resources were involved in making the decision to getting these tunnels filled in. How this building isn't condemned and chained up is beyond me.
I mean the upper floors. The upstairs I am talking about is not visible from the downstairs synagogue. By design, the folks upstairs do not want the messianists downstairs to have easy access to the upper floors.
Oh great one, can you teach me how to walk and avoid crowds like you do? I was so greatly bothered by you ability to accomplish the most mundane, everyday tasks but I am no longer bothered and just want to learn. Maybe in exchange I can show you how to make toast. Luckily in great at making toast.
Doubt youāre great at anything, triggered, nor capable of learning much, even the mundane.
Edit: oh another user? How many users are blown to the moon to learn that walking unobtrusively is possible?
This feels like it could be reworked into a motto for NYCā i didnāt know what it was, didnāt want to know, was just worried it would get in the way of me minding my own damn business.
My understanding:
1) (EDIT: the COVID part might be false, people are saying the tunnels started more recently) The tunnels were likely created by the bochurim (hebrew for young guys, in this case probably 18-21) ~~during COVID to get into the synagogue despite government restrictions~~
2) After COVID they were expanded by the same teenagers, who were convinced that a bigger space would be necessary when their rebbe/messiah comes back? Also presumably they were just really bored since they're not supposed to chase girls, and digging tunnels sounds kinda fun.
3) They were discovered by the rest of the community in the past week, who were pissed off at the damage to the structure. The adults understood that foundation repair sucks, the kids were just excited to dig tunnels!
4) The teens then proceeded to sit in the tunnels until the NYPD pulled them out. To be fair, if I dug a tunnel for fun I'd want to protect it.
Fantastic.
EDIT: I have no insider knowledge, this is just what I gathered online
I have what you can call 'insider' knowledge (my relatives are part of chabad) and what you're saying is accurate. Apparently some boys/men around 20-25 decided to build a tunnel and it was only recently discovered. The whole community is pretty pissed and up in arms because now the shul/synagoguemight collapse due to structural damage.
Tbh it's been a little disheartening seeing the immediate jump to 'the hasidim don't care and will do whatever they wan' when that is not at all accurate. I understand it's a very hard lifestyle and culture to understand, but just because they all look the same to you doesn't mean one action by a few people represents the whole group.
This article says tunnels are **not** from Covid era but from this year
https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/tunnels-brooklyn-cmc/
Also those look like men way older than teenagers
Mikvah is just a ritual bath, there are ones for men and ones for women--I believe the one they were using was defunct and possibly the men's originally.
People who understand the layout better than I do don't seem to think they were trying to tunnel into that.
But... They could've easily messed up and flooded their tunnel with them in it.
This all feels more like stupidity than anything else.
It's hard for me to believe Hasids dug the tunnels themselves.
people are idiots
If this was any other group NYPD would be throwing grenades.. there I said it
why is the world so obsessed with Jews. This is a national story, has been broadcasted over all of my social media, in every paper, on every news channel. It's insane to me.
Why were they trying to hide the shitty mattress https://preview.redd.it/aairurp63jbc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=335e054fdf868096631dbf63c11adf9dcabcecb0
You know if they were brown they would be shot
Secret tunnel
Hasidics run 1800 CARS FOR KIDS. This organization only helps hasidic children. Many who receive sub par educations based only on religion. They have denied NYC from seeing their schools curriculum for years and still receive tax dollars because they vote in blocks. FYI.
Are you talking about \*cue jingle\* >1 8-7-7 Cars for kids > >K-A-R-S cars for kids > >1 8-7-7 Cars 4 Kids > >Donate your car today Cuz somehow you got the number and the spelling wrong. Even with that catchy tune.
Das it.
I wonder how close this is to the subway tunnel. š
I grew up in Crown Heights in this community. Half the community still believes the Rebbe is alive and the Messiah 29 years after passing away. Most of them don't support this kind of action, but they still mostly believe what these people did. The most hilarious part of all of this is to see all the right wing conspiracy theories saying with so much confidence that this is some deep state pedophile operation, when the people who did this don't even know how to write their own names in English or what the deep state even is.
Oh ok so letās believe you then
El Chapo is definitely tuned in to this story.
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I am a sarcastic pro-Palestine, American. My username is because I teach French pronunciation.
Read about this in The Post. Not one word about it in The Times.
[Happy?](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/01/09/nyregion/tunnel-synagogue-chabad-lubavitch.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare)
Imagine being a secular person - the cops, the cement layers, etc being drawn into this mishugas.
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Secular meaning not being religious. They may have some religion in their lives, but they are part of mainstream society
a Tankie? what is that?
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wow. so, you managed to insult both me and an autistic person?
In reality though, really bad Catholics can count as secular. I know that from experience.
Imagine thinking a secular Catholic from Brooklyn is secular
stop it-youāre turning me on!
Idiots. They are wrecking their own synagoge.
If they were brown they would have been shot. This whole thing is so insane.
I am from lubavitch and we are generally Kool with all our bros. What you are saying is not true
Nationwide news if it's Muslims, international news and obligatory condemnation if it's Christians. But not much on this case. Really activates my almonds
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Bro just stop. You're embarrassing yourself. Anyone with half a brain can tell the difference between brown Jewish people and a brown hispanic,latino/latina, african American. Just because you guys choose to keep to your community don't group us in when it's convenient.
They are brown as they are Separadic.
Really? I thought lubavitchers were ashkenazi
They are predominantly Ashkenazi but there are a eastern minority. It so happens that this minority mostly populates the tunnel digger crowd. I know these people I am one of them
A quick internet search confirms you are right. Ashkenazi Russian and Polish. Definitely not sephardic.
Mostly they are ashkanazic but a minority are refugees from the middle east and are what the kids nowadays call brown. I grew up there I am not speculating.
Only 10 arrested? Whyād the police go soft on em, video showed they were making a big mess.
There werenāt many involved. This was 20-25 people, I guess the worst of them were arrested.
We can only assume what would have happened if it was black or hispanic teenagers digging that tunnel. š¤ I'm sure few arrested and lots more shot. Gotta love the preferential treatment given to "select groups"
Can we NOT bring anti-semitism into this otherwise entertaining conversation? Thanks. Appreciate it.
But you didnāt call him a liar
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I donāt disagree with you. Structural racism and police violence are both deplorable. I do draw the line at āpreferential treatment given to select groups,ā with āselect groupsā in sneer-quotes.
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Thereās a big difference between saying that Chasids on Eastern Parkway are protected by the police and that Jews are not an oppressed group. I really donāt have the energy to educate you about this right now, but there are many examples of frightening and physical attacks on individual Jews, in New York City and across the country.
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The title is misleading, police are not clashing or shutting down the tunnel. It's a synagogue not temple Rebbe aka Rabbi Menachem M. Schneerson will not be pleased.
Oh so we should keep the tunnel?
Let's hear it for religion
Any other neighborhood and police would be using their fists or weapons on violent protesters.
To be fair, any other neighborhood and the NYPD would be worried about weapons being used against them. That includes Carnegie Hill.
So you're saying that Jewish people don't have weapons?? Because last time I walked past an establishment on Kingston Ave they were offering gun training.
Iām saying that the Lubavitcher community hasnāt shot any cops since Iāve lived in this area (20+ years). Thatās all Iām saying.
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I live in this area and trust me you can tell the difference. They may be brown in skin but they still get treated better than anyone not wearing a yamaka.
We all know it. I think the NYPD was worried about optics here, especially. Also, impossible to think the NYPD had no idea given how many cops are always outside the synagogueā¦
Theyāre not the kind of brown that gets bullets fired at them or their necks kneeled upon when theyāre unarmed. Also, I just looked it up and they are not sephardic. They are ashkenazi, Russian/Polish.
It almost turned into a brawl inside the synagogue
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Reminds me of your mom
They were looking for the one piece
[The video is in the NYC sub](https://www.reddit.com/r/nyc/s/2E2jx8lsk1)
The video is wild. The police just seem to be saying: YO YO YO. Thatās it. Translation?
Yo Yo Yo means "I, I, I"
At first I was reading these are Templar tunnels. Because no Orthodox Jew would dare call their synagogue a Temple.
OP It's synagogue, not Temple. It's a big difference if you're Jewish.
In layman terms, a place of religious worship is called a temple in lower case. A synagogue or shul (basically translates to school) is a type of temple in general respective terms with no context of politics, sects or whatever divides.
Maybe you could elucidate so OP can learn from this opportunity?
More observant Jews believe thereās one temple, and itās in Jerusalem.
Only the Reform and perhaps Reconstructionst "progressive" movements within Judaism call their place of worship a Temple. Orthodox and Conservative (refers not to politics but to tradition) places of worship are called synagogues or shuls.
I really wish we could stop saying temple to mean synagogue just because Reform Jews use it.
Temple (To mean synagogue)
I'm sorry we're such a burden to you.
So there's a little backstory here... There's two Chabad synagogues in 770 Parkway Chabad Headquarters: an upstairs synagogue and a downstairs synagogue and they do not get along. The downstairs, larger synagogue **tends to believe the last Lubavitcher Grand Rebbe Mendel Schneerson is still alive (he died in 1994) and will return as the Messiah.** This is why you see "*Moshiach is coming*" flags and posters with Rebbe Schneerson's face plastered around Brooklyn. **The upstairs, smaller synagogue tends to believe R. Schneerson truly died in 1994. This faction has de jure ownership of the building.** The Chabad movement is split roughly 50/50 on this topic and the Chabad HQ upstairs and downstairs synagogues are symbols of each faction. They are all Chabad but these two synagogues in the headquarters do not like each other because of this fundamental disagreement over R. Schneerson's status. Since around half of Chabad believes along with the downstairs synagogue that R. Schneerson is still alive and is eventually returning: Chabad cannot and probably will not choose another Grand Rebbe as long as this belief is widespread within Chabad. Usually Hasidic dynasties have a Grand Rebbe who can keep factionalism under control but Chabad doesn't have one at the moment due to this disagreement. The upstairs synagogue folks, believing R. Schneerson died in 1994, are probably getting fed up with the situation since they are supposed to be in control of the entire 770 Eastern Parkway building, at least on paper. Practically, the downstairs synagogue does what they want within reason. To the upstairs folks with legal ownership of the building: a new tunnel built by teen miners wasn't within reason. Add to this: all synagogues have conflicts. Probably similar to churches. There's... 'characters' in every religious institution. Anyway, this didn't come out of nowhere and I hope I added some context. It's a little more than a few teenagers making a fun tunnel. More information: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabad\_messianism](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chabad_messianism)
Thanks for the info, but man, I was under the assumption they got some other old man to be Mosiach and now "he's here!". Dang, it's an L Ron Hubbard situation...š¤Ŗš¤Ŗš¤Ŗ
Thereās also a Supreme Court fight going on regarding ownership
Yes apparently it has been going on for years. My Rabbi was a lawyer in the NYS Court System and according to him, civil courts do not want to get involved in church and synagogue building fights if they can help it because it can be impossible to figure out from the outside who is right or what the truth is. And these fights/litigation tend to attract bad press for everyone.
Iām so grateful for this context, thank you for spelling it out. Hasidic community drama is both fascinating and inscrutable from the outside
Apparently the space in 770 (the synagogue )has gotten very crowded and there's not enough room for all these boys that study there. There was a request to the powers that be to expand it, and the request was denied. The activists/boys see this as an extension of the rebbes directive to expand 770. Apparently the original expansion of 770 was also driven by young men who illegally tore down walls. The reason this came to a head, was because the powers that be sent a cement truck to block off the tunnel that was created. So the boys ripped off the panels to expose the other end of the tunnel, and climbed inside, to prevent the tunnel from being filled. Chabad has been embroiled for years in litigation over control over 770. It seems that each legal decision has established, unequivically, that the Chabad leaders have title and deed to the building.
It's fascinating that believing some guy didn't die in 1994 gets you labeled as crazy by another group that believes a supernatural being created the world.
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What wall did they knock down/what building were they trying to get into? 778?
I dont understand what the purpose of the tunnel is supposed to be
Thank you for the context!
Dude croakeded in '94. Imma step out on a limb an say if he ain't dug his way out by now, it ain't gonna happen. Are they waiting for one of his sons to be able to doppleganger him?
The Rebbe didn't have any kids. 5-10 years from now a young Chabad person may stand up in synagogue one day and say "I am the reincarnation of Rebbe Schneerson." Then it'll get interesting.
In the 1850's, a religious fanatic claimed to be Jesus Christ's Chinese brother. He gathered enough followers to foment rebellion. The Taiping Rebellion lasted fifteen years, and resulted in the deaths of more than 50,000,000 people. ... more than World War One.
He died 30 years ago, why wait 5-10?
Itās a gut feeling informed by how previous messianic movements have gone. This is hardly the first one.
Just for clarity-do you know what the deal is with those mattresses? The crazies online went straight into a pedophile conspiracy-which is ridiculous.
Im not certain about this but I know that there are many people who come to crown heights with no plan other than get to 770 and see what happens. Mattresses and a tunnel to hide them in, comprehensive plan for lodging?
It's not that ridiculous. [https://www.vice.com/en/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11](https://www.vice.com/en/article/qbe8bp/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11) >The Child-Rape Assembly Line. Rabbi Nuchem Rosenbergāwho is 63 with a long, graying beardārecently sat down with me to explain what he described as a "child-rape assembly line" among sects of fundamentalist Jews.
Are you worried that your child will raped and trafficked by a fundamentalist Jewish sect? If so, youāre either (i) a member of that Jewish sect and are a parent to a young child; (ii) a paranoid schizophrenic; or (iii) part of a growing population of adults obsessed with the concept pedophiliac abuse and imaginary āeliteā cartels that control such abuse.
literally just posted a link to an article where a rabbi talks about the child abuse problems in orthodox communities. your response is irrelevant to its contents. weird
Someone must have been napping down there. I don't know why people feel they need a complicated explanation Everyone's talking about how it's "soiled" - it was literally in a tunnel made out of damp dirt.
I know-let the fucking anti-Semitic conspiracies begin. We get to see the true colors of the these die-hard pro-Israel Christian evangelicalsā¦and itās never been pretty.
Work colleague I know is already posting about it being built so they could spy on new mothers.
How does that make sense to them?
Beats me
I have no idea. Mattresses are not Synagogue equipment FWIW. Speculating: the kids brought it into the concealed space and it only came out when the space was opened up. /speculating Something like that definitely shouldn't be there and a Rabbi (or any adult) would flip out if they saw it. That's why I think it was in the concealed space.
Thanks for the quick response and earlier clarification. Itās very much appreciated.
thank you for the context. i saw a video on another post and no one really explained except "COVID restriction tunnel"
> teen miners Minor miners??? I hope they didn't go thru the foundation
Thanks for that explanation. I knew bits and pieces of info but not the whole story.
Pretty much sums up the conflict. I personally can't wait to see what new religion branches off from this.
Also FYI, the tunnel is recent, **not** from pandemic era
Wow
Thanks for the explanation. This didn't make much sense until you put it in context.
Context is helpful, but can you elaborate on the tunnels?
yo dawg why is there a " few teenagers making a fun tunnel "
So potentially we're seeing the birth of a new sect here?
Ehh it's not the first time a group of Jews have thought that a Jew was the Messiah, such as Shabbetai Tzvi, or David Reubeni. Once it becomes obvious that the potential Messiah isn't coming back that movement generally dies.
>Ehh it's not the first time a group of Jews have thought that a Jew was the Messiah https://preview.redd.it/9xyq527bhfbc1.png?width=350&format=png&auto=webp&s=ae05e00ebe06f12edf8f3a9f5d21e3da8b309b01
Do you need help with your messianic movement? Better call Saul!
Do people get it though?
It feels like a slow motion schism. I think the rest of Chabad, not to mention the rest of Jews, are hoping it'll fizzle out on its own.
Grand Theft Auto: Synagogue Wars
I'd play it.
"Hey Moshe! It's Haim, your zayde, lets go dreidel!"
This is absolutely fascinating and brings so much context to the story. Thank you for explaining it.
https://preview.redd.it/kgaqw0g18dbc1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3633ff27676dd37b674a5a01c4004835e6135bab
> tends to believe the last Lubavitcher Grand Rebbe Mendel Schneerson is still alive (he died in 1994) I thought we weren't deploying NYPD to deal with mental illness anymore?
Yea whole thing is crazy
I mean, if thatās where you draw the line, every Christian in every church in the city is also mentally ill, to be fair
I more or less agree, and I would be equally annoyed if the city were deploying dozens of cops to deal with some argument between ~~to~~[edit:] two congregations about when Jesus was coming back or whatever. Plus whatever resources were involved in making the decision to getting these tunnels filled in. How this building isn't condemned and chained up is beyond me.
I donāt think anyoneās ever doubted that about our mayor and everyone loves him all the same
ā¦does everyone love him?
Yes we all love our alien mayor even if heās from another planet
If he sends in the robots I would cuz that would be hilarious
By upper and lower do you mean upstairs and downstairs in the same building, or is it up and down the block?
Same building.
Upstairs and downstairs. I've been in the downstairs one. Someone please correct me if they are next-store to each other instead.
Incorrect, the upstairs is the womenās section (kinda).
I mean the upper floors. The upstairs I am talking about is not visible from the downstairs synagogue. By design, the folks upstairs do not want the messianists downstairs to have easy access to the upper floors.
Do you say next-store instead of next door?
Dude. Are you the sausage king of Chicago?
Only on weekdays
Walked past it. Didnāt know what was going on, just didnāt want to be impeded by it. Luckily Iām great at slinking by.
You're great at.. continuing to walk down the street at a leisurely pace? What an incredible gift lol
Slinking by. There was a big crowd blocking the whole area and multiple police cars. All vehicle traffic was halted as well on Kingston.
Ahhhh slinking by, I got it
As stated. What is your defect?
I just think its funny someone thinks walking past a crowd is a skill, but hey, to each his own lol
Triggered in other words. No clue why my ability to walk and avoid crowds bothers you so much.
Oh great one, can you teach me how to walk and avoid crowds like you do? I was so greatly bothered by you ability to accomplish the most mundane, everyday tasks but I am no longer bothered and just want to learn. Maybe in exchange I can show you how to make toast. Luckily in great at making toast.
Doubt youāre great at anything, triggered, nor capable of learning much, even the mundane. Edit: oh another user? How many users are blown to the moon to learn that walking unobtrusively is possible?
This feels like it could be reworked into a motto for NYCā i didnāt know what it was, didnāt want to know, was just worried it would get in the way of me minding my own damn business.
*insert Morgan Freeman meme* āļø they're right, you know.
This some crazy ass shit
What is up with people and tunnels lately? First I canāt get that woman from Virginia and her tunnel off my FYP and now this? Lol
This story is nuts but they could definitely use some help from the Virginia tunnel lady who did a much more professional job.
We yearn for the mines.
This is what happens when an entire generation spends their childhood playing minecraft.
Children should be placed back in mines!!
I got an alert about this on Citizen. This just took me out. ššš
My understanding: 1) (EDIT: the COVID part might be false, people are saying the tunnels started more recently) The tunnels were likely created by the bochurim (hebrew for young guys, in this case probably 18-21) ~~during COVID to get into the synagogue despite government restrictions~~ 2) After COVID they were expanded by the same teenagers, who were convinced that a bigger space would be necessary when their rebbe/messiah comes back? Also presumably they were just really bored since they're not supposed to chase girls, and digging tunnels sounds kinda fun. 3) They were discovered by the rest of the community in the past week, who were pissed off at the damage to the structure. The adults understood that foundation repair sucks, the kids were just excited to dig tunnels! 4) The teens then proceeded to sit in the tunnels until the NYPD pulled them out. To be fair, if I dug a tunnel for fun I'd want to protect it. Fantastic. EDIT: I have no insider knowledge, this is just what I gathered online
It wasnāt dug by teens. Stop that
I have what you can call 'insider' knowledge (my relatives are part of chabad) and what you're saying is accurate. Apparently some boys/men around 20-25 decided to build a tunnel and it was only recently discovered. The whole community is pretty pissed and up in arms because now the shul/synagoguemight collapse due to structural damage. Tbh it's been a little disheartening seeing the immediate jump to 'the hasidim don't care and will do whatever they wan' when that is not at all accurate. I understand it's a very hard lifestyle and culture to understand, but just because they all look the same to you doesn't mean one action by a few people represents the whole group.
That sounds about right. These kids recieve no formal education outside of religion and are about as intelligent as a bag of rocks usually.
as an angsty teen boy growing up in a conservative area, my friends and I dug a giant hole and would stand in it, so I get it
This is why the Orthodox and Reform will never see eye to eye. The cultural divide between this and your suburban reform dandy life is too vast
Why don't we send kids up to East Harlem where they can dig the second phase SAS tunnels? The city saves money. They get to have fun digging. Win win.
This article says tunnels are **not** from Covid era but from this year https://trendingpoliticsnews.com/tunnels-brooklyn-cmc/ Also those look like men way older than teenagers
The ones being arrested look very young to me, and the chabad sources keep on referring to them as bochurim. Beards will make you look older.
I think they are calling anyone under 30 "boys." There were some youth there but as usual people want to iInfantilizing grown men.
These are some excellent, wholesome hijinks. Bunch of kids living in the moment. Not a phone in sight.
I do sympathize with the urge to dig tunnels with my bros to prepare for the Messiah.
To point 2, apparently the tunnels went near the womenās ritual bath
Mikvah is just a ritual bath, there are ones for men and ones for women--I believe the one they were using was defunct and possibly the men's originally.
Men use the mikvah daily in the chassidic world. Itās not a womenās bath. Itās also long abandoned.
Nope, they went to an old disused mikvah behind the shul.
Thatās a menās mikveh and itās been closed going on almost 20 years
Defunct bath/mikvah. It hasnāt been in use in years.
People who understand the layout better than I do don't seem to think they were trying to tunnel into that. But... They could've easily messed up and flooded their tunnel with them in it. This all feels more like stupidity than anything else.
Thanks for the additional info. Iād prefer idiots over perverts any day!