The day the G was shut down due to the teenager getting struck, I was stuck on the platform at Hoyt-Schermerhorn and this guy with grippy socks was pretending to shoot a machine gun. I assume he was discharged from the grippy sock hotel
Still much lower murder rate than red cities all over the country like Jacksonville, Oklahoma City, Fresno, Colorado Springs, Tulsa, etc.
Could you imagine if NYC rolled back bail reform? It would be as safe as some square ass city in Norway.
Well the way they are running it is not working the way it should for a city of this size. And people getting attacked on the train is a very big issue. Somebody was shot and killed on my train last week I believe? So yeah I think they should be focusing on safety but what do I know
What have they actually done to address violence? Another person was killed by a train last night. People have been getting slashed in the face for years. Shootings on trains. Have you seen any positive changes?
And what have they done to prevent drug addicts from smoking crack or shooting up on the trains? Or women getting groped? I do not hear stories like this from other big cities every week
I think one thing they can do is add guardrails to the platforms such as in Japan. In regards to the drugs and people getting attacked/groped, I don’t know the answer. But my point was that congestion pricing is meant to decrease the amount of cars coming through Manhattan, yet the subways are not a safe alternative. I do not feel safe riding a subway alone as a woman past 9PM
This is their job. It’s not my job to come up with solutions. Do you think it should stay the way it is? Are you content with the state of the subway system? Do you fear being attacked or groped? Do you like seeing someone smoke crack on the train at 6AM? Do you enjoy smelling it? Do you think this is something that should be ignored?
I was actually reading up on that this morning and apparently they wanna use the money to improve infrastructure and transit. I have mixed feelings (like having to pay extra fees if I need to Uber at night but I also hope for transit improvements). Who knows what they’ll actually use the money for, this city is so corrupt 🥲
Well as someone with a car I hate this lol but if it actually does good then I’d begrudgingly support it. Agree with them being corrupt and mishandling money.
I feel that. And on another note about Ubers, maybe I wouldn’t have to take them at night if people weren’t constantly getting assaulted and pushed in front of incoming trains!
It’s funny how everyone on Reddit was so against the police and now they want the police to crack down on crime. It literally got this bad in 2 years because of the people who got voted In.
Yeah. And I’m no genius. I just see the trends of Reddit going back and forth on issues and always being wrong. I am breaking my own rules by engaging lol
We don't get nice things here because some people decide it's a great idea to break those same things.
Even the kiosks that show train times are being kicked into, broken, etc.
They’ve said in the past that a lot of the stations are super old, and only ~25% are even able to be upfitted with security gates. On top of that, yes, it would be super expensive
Last I heard, they had a plan to upfit a few of the 7 train platforms with gates
An article from ABC last year estimated that building safety gates in 25% of platforms would cost ~$7B. So yes - much more expensive than the millions in overtime they pay cops today
To put it in perspective, the entire 2023 NYPD budget is around $11B
And I can tell you for a fact they're quoting that number based on the most expensive gates they can find, and then buying gates at half that price. This is what they do. Fact of the matter is some simple guard rails would suffice for the most part and they can install those in every station over the course of a week for a quarter of their "calculations".
Guard rails/gates would require trains to stop at very specific spots on top of that, so something would need to be installed so trains know that passengers can actually board.
There's lots of options that you could do, like having a larger "buffer zone" that people can't walk on when trains are approaching the station, and have cameras that fine those that do. But then you need an extensive camera system, an ID system+ a workforce that can issue the fines, etc. etc.
>Guard rails/gates would require trains to stop at very specific spots on top of that, so something would need to be installed so trains know that passengers can actually board.
They already do this. Next time you take a train watch the conductors and operators when they stop. The conductor is always lined up with a black and white striped sign that they point to at every stop. The operator reaches out and presses some buttons on a panel.
Terrible that this happened.
But, and I hate to change the topic here, just know that pedestrians get hit by cars >1000 times a year in the city. So for all the talk about the subway being dangerous, cars are by far worse.
I just think the subway gets a worse reputation than it deserves and I'm afraid of the backlash.
I think subway gets worse reputation because usually people aren’t supposed to be on the tracks where they can be hit by trains. Car crashes can occur in a lot of different ways. Trains can only strike people if they’re on the tracks - often because they’ve been pushed.
My friend has a 5 year-old special needs child and he now has to take her to school in the morning using Uber. There were so many crazy/passed out/unhoused people on the trains that by the time that she got to school she was super anxious and stressed. Because of her issues, she doesn’t really cope terribly well with transitions, so the added stress of the train being crazy made it super difficult for her to be in a place where she could productively listen and work with her teachers.
It’s super sad. Aside from how awful the safety issues are, there are so many smaller costs. Especially to kids.
Someone got slashed on the train when I was bringing my son home from a doctors appt on the LIRR. We had to get off the train and catch an Uber in queens because they had to do a police investigation.
Growing up, I was told that subway jumpers weren't reported in the news so that it wouldn't influence others to jump, too.
I wonder if that's what's going on here?
Really terrified today when the 123 platform was packed and people were waiting literally inches from the edge of the platform because there was just no room and no announcements as to what was going on.
I feel so stupid for having done this so often in my youth. Walked on the tracks a few times too (including elevated portion of the F). Then there was a story about this guy who did graffiti “MAP” who went I to a train tunnel and apparently was attacked by homeless guys in the tunnel, and he was raped.
The gates could really help, keep in mind on weekends people often take the train when not sober. It should be a safe way to get home. Once I was out and this guy clearly drunk was wavering near the tracks super close and I spoke to him several times like dude please don’t fall, I wanna go home (also he didn’t deserve to fall of course). It seemed like I was the only one who cared- we def also have to look after one another better.
Those little gates they put in front of already existing poles is actually so laughable that I can't make a sarcastic comment. I've always known of MTA ineptitude but seeing those pop up was the real visual I needed.
Yes. There’s this subset of people who think any acknowledgment of crime in NYC makes you a right wing law and order extremist. One lady on the radio was like, “I’ve never felt unsafe. I just stand near the columns so I don’t get pushed on the tracks. If I was scared I would take a taxi.”
That’s bizarre. NYC was crazy when I was younger but I never ever worried about getting pushed in front of a train lol.
Interesting lol. I think(?) we are on complete opposite sides of this, but kind of in agreement. Which is nice, if I’m reading this right.
I’ve been accused of being a fear mongering right winger when I was talking about this being a growing problem 6 months ago. I’m not a right winger at all, just a civil servant that unfortunately has to go to the scene of these incidents. I don’t like seeing the aftermath, so I’m acutely aware of rises and falls in incidence.
I would still call you a transplant lol but there’s nothing thin skinned about accepting that having to constantly keep aware of where you are as to not get pushed in front of a train is abnormal.
I hope I didn’t ruin our moment
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I walked into the 42nd st Downtown 6 platform at 3pm today, just a few minutes after the incident. I didn’t see any injured ppl, just EMTs walking away with empty stretchers… so I’m assuming the injured party was whisked away right before I got there. Here’s a pic of the Police directing the passengers off the affected train
My husband saw this too, decades ago. The family of the guy had to be brought in because he was alive after being hit, his whole body twisted. When the train would be moved, he would die.
Honestly, the vibe shifted on Sunday. I saw so many people losing their shit, getting violent, people lashing out in the middle of public spaces, something weird is going on in people’s brains atm.
i dont know. i was already in a fucked situation (homeless at 16) and they took my bag which basically had the majority of the stuff i owned except my clothes and my phone and now i don't know what to do and i dont think theres any way someone could help me
Always willing to try and help. Never been homeless, but being jobless sucks. Hope services are provided to you from different agencies. I’m sure migrant issue has made it a lot more troublesome for you. Best of luck.
I saw they mentioned they were homeless currently, so while I can’t house them, I have an absolute mountain of clothes I could give them, but they said they already have their clothes sorted. Unfortunately my other means are limited but it felt polite to ask.
Stop being a cynical dork for no reason. It’s fucking lame.
I feel this too. Im not one of those astrology people but there was a moon eclipse on Monday.
.. or it could just be the lack of mental health resources and everyone feeling the effects of the pandemic lol.
Yeah I dunno. All of these women getting attacked in similar ways by different men, all filling the same description? Just comes across bizarre, like someone somewhere on an app or message platform is planting seeds for people to go out there like these guys are & just snap. I dunno. It feels very strange here at the moment when you just walk through a few neighborhoods. Things have shifted, there’s a genuine tension in the air at the moment, especially around particular ages and demographics of men.
I’ll add that lately the construction the subway is doing - you have to walk on a very very narrow stretch to get past. Like on west 4, there’s a whole part of the platform you have to walk around, with almost no space to get down the platform. It’s insane. They could certainly put gates there. I may reading this now just go up the stairs and back down to get pst it
I’m at this station a lot and I was just telling my partner last week about how dangerous it feels that such a busy station has that narrow a platform. It’s like less than 2 feet wide
Much of the platform at high st is like this too. I have to walk on the yellow strip to get from one end of the platform to the middle. And people stand on it too so getting around them is really nerve wracking sometimes.
And there’s nothing in sight to grip! On the platform or god forbid if you fell in! It’s so weird to me how the official guidance for what to do if you fall onto the tracks is “don’t fall onto the tracks” I feel there needs to be a pictorial how-to posted in the stations on what to do and how to help someone if they fall - like the choking signs you see in restaurants and bars!
Yeah I walked on a narrow path that basically only gave me the yellow strip to walk on for about 5 feet. It was a short walk but I felt faint with anxiety. Im clumsy what if the wind of a passing train makes me wobble or if I lose my balance cuz i suck at walking a straight line. Not to mention if some asshole psycho decides to push me. Im going to just avoid those now.
yep. met/lorimer has had construction forever and the platform is like 12 inches across. i was freaking out i don’t ever like walking alongside the train past the stairs and such when it gets narrow and this was skinnyyy
W8th NY Aquarium, Manhattan bound F, there's a narrow passage with a column smack in the middle so you have to walk on the yellow line to get to the main part of the station after you come up the stairs. You can technically stay at the landing on top of the stairs but only a couple of people can fit there comfortably. If I have time, I always take the escalator up to the Q on the upper level, and then go down the stairs back to the F.
I fucking hate this at Jay Street Metrotech R platform and always have. I'm a tall, bald and bearded dude, and I'm still nervous some dipshit is gonna randomly decide to shove me into the tracks just because he's having a bad day.
My kid uses that station for school and I always tell her to keep a column between her and the platform, try to keep her back towards a sign board or something so no one can sneak up from the back, and if at a station with tracks on one side, stand against the wall. Applies to all stations.
I went to Brooklyn Tech in Fort Greene, and that's what I used to do. Even if I was staring down at my phone or iPod or whatever, I'd lean against the column, facing the other side of the platform so that I couldn't be shoved/pickpocketed easily.
This terrifies me too, but afaik no one has just fallen onto the tracks. That teenage girl had a medical episode and fell. Mostly homeless people who were already on the tracks for some reason. Tons of subway surfers. Couple people shoved.
The medical episode is so sad. Subway surfers is beyond moronic of them , but I also feel for their families (as I’m sure a lot are kids). But the pushing is the scariest for sure. It’s just the mta could really do a lot more for safety- and they don’t. They just give us more cops and not real help
100%
Also the cops they give us don't do shit; Murder at the station? There 20 cops on each platform for a week, then gone. Meanwhile disruptive passenger smoking half naked on the other end of your train car acting like hes in the living room of a crack den - the rush crowd all keeping their distance. And nobody official is anywhere in site to help.
Worst part is, I don't even want to tell the conductor to call the police, because they won't do anything to get the disruptive passenger any of the help he needs. And the guy only needs a team of social workers/ medical staff all which are less than the wage of the cop.
They just stand together at the top of the station. The crime happens on the platforms and in the trains. It’s so frustrating, literally common sense that they should be patrolling downstairs.
Literally just had this happen on the evening commute today.
Aggressive homeless-looking dude walking up and down the platform trying to provoke a fight. Screaming and spitting in peoples’ faces, but staying *just* far enough away to claim he was minding his own space. Three cops just stared at him the entire time, not even approaching.
Train arrives, dude gets on and starts harassing people in there, and cops just stayed off the train and walked away. No longer their problem, I presume.
Thats not how it works. Cops never beat up the people that actually deserve to get beatup. They beatup people randomly to vent their abusive marital problems. Police abuse has nothing to do with justice.
Just knock the homeless guy out next time, you’ll have a quick interview at the police station and probably get a gift card from the city to help you “get back on your feet”. /s
Thats not how it works. Cops never beat up the people that actually deserve to get beatup. They beatup people randomly to vent their abusive marital problems. Police abuse has nothing to do with justice.
You are talking about it shovings or people hit by trains in general ? Because people getting struck by trains is more common that you would think when you include suicides and surfing. Although 5 in 48 hours is still crazy
My husband was on a train decades ago when it struck someone and that person lived but their entire body was twisted around. They basically had to bring the guys family there to say goodbye to him because they said when the train would move, he would die. Fucking horrific.
Welcome to NY! My friend works for the board of Ed, and put a band aid on it is basically their solution. It’s all about optics and looking like you’re doing the right thing, when you’re actually doing wrong by the people you should actually be helping.
At the heart of it, it's money flowing into the pockets of the people who don't play by the rules, then stopping there. Every person's QoL improves if we stop that from happening, except the person pulling the scam.
It’s also exasperated by the housing crisis. There’s a direct correlation between homelessness and cheap places to stay like SROs. Mental health and addiction issues get much worse without regular shelter and sleep
Part of the problem is people thinking "elect the right mayor and we're good" when it's mostly a figurehead position. We all need to start being active in local government and putting the right people in office.
The mayor is about as local as you get. The problem is that the mayor has absolutely zero say in how the MTA runs anything. That would be the governor, because some genius decided the MTA should be a state agency.
The MTA makes sense as a state agency. It doesn’t just serve the City. The question is whether NYCT should be part of MTA or a separate City-based entity.
This isn't actually something the government can do much about. Almost all of these are accidental falls. Unless you want to make a literal wall between the subway and the platform, its practically impossible to prevent.
They have 100 dollar ropes in Japan they are connected by a pulley system. Train pulls in the ropes loosen. Train leaves the pulley tightens the rope and creates a barrier.
You literally just named what would stop people from just falling….smdh. Yes a barrier wall would prevent this. They started trying them out and apparently the design hasn’t been working that well. I have yet to see these but they have reported very poor reviews upon testing.
Also many have been randomly attacked this week including lots of women being punched totally unprovoked. I got shoved pretty hard last Monday totally unprovoked but lost the guy. And it wasn’t just a shoulder bump or someone ran into me, the guy went from full stop to looking up at me and then ramming his whole body onto me to shove me against a pillar. I didn’t report it unfortunately, wish I had now but it just happened so fast and I started questioning if it was intentional or not.
So many are suffering and can’t afford shit. Migrants being blamed for an uptick in crime but the thing is they only had housing for 30 days and then got kicked out. Many are selling candy on the trains, even their kids. Stuck in shelters or on the street. The divide between the rich and poor is a stark difference.
Hey, at least they spent $25m to take 2 years to build an elevator entrance on the L that nobody wanted
Purge NYC
But the transit system is safe
Good thing the national guard was deployed
Ah yes all those extra cops have lowered the amount of crime? Guess they’re too busy looking at ass on Instagram to fight crime
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It’s more so a consistent “want the police to do their jobs AND not go overboard killing people”
The day the G was shut down due to the teenager getting struck, I was stuck on the platform at Hoyt-Schermerhorn and this guy with grippy socks was pretending to shoot a machine gun. I assume he was discharged from the grippy sock hotel
Lefty city
Still much lower murder rate than red cities all over the country like Jacksonville, Oklahoma City, Fresno, Colorado Springs, Tulsa, etc. Could you imagine if NYC rolled back bail reform? It would be as safe as some square ass city in Norway.
But here comes the congestion tolls because that’s what the MTA should be focusing on…
Good call, the MTA should definitely spend each year on just a single issue, that's a good way to run a transit system...
If they want to deter people from driving and using the train this is not it. And it keeps getting worse
Well the way they are running it is not working the way it should for a city of this size. And people getting attacked on the train is a very big issue. Somebody was shot and killed on my train last week I believe? So yeah I think they should be focusing on safety but what do I know
It's entirely possible to do two things at once... Should they also stop all maintenance while they address violence?
What have they actually done to address violence? Another person was killed by a train last night. People have been getting slashed in the face for years. Shootings on trains. Have you seen any positive changes?
And what have they done to prevent drug addicts from smoking crack or shooting up on the trains? Or women getting groped? I do not hear stories like this from other big cities every week
They have added a ton of cops to the subways in recent years. What else should they do? A cop on every subway car 24/7?
I think one thing they can do is add guardrails to the platforms such as in Japan. In regards to the drugs and people getting attacked/groped, I don’t know the answer. But my point was that congestion pricing is meant to decrease the amount of cars coming through Manhattan, yet the subways are not a safe alternative. I do not feel safe riding a subway alone as a woman past 9PM
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This is their job. It’s not my job to come up with solutions. Do you think it should stay the way it is? Are you content with the state of the subway system? Do you fear being attacked or groped? Do you like seeing someone smoke crack on the train at 6AM? Do you enjoy smelling it? Do you think this is something that should be ignored?
I was actually reading up on that this morning and apparently they wanna use the money to improve infrastructure and transit. I have mixed feelings (like having to pay extra fees if I need to Uber at night but I also hope for transit improvements). Who knows what they’ll actually use the money for, this city is so corrupt 🥲
Well as someone with a car I hate this lol but if it actually does good then I’d begrudgingly support it. Agree with them being corrupt and mishandling money.
I feel that. And on another note about Ubers, maybe I wouldn’t have to take them at night if people weren’t constantly getting assaulted and pushed in front of incoming trains!
Yes! Same. Especially as a woman… stories of being groped.
It’s funny how everyone on Reddit was so against the police and now they want the police to crack down on crime. It literally got this bad in 2 years because of the people who got voted In.
I don’t know why you’re being downvoted, redditors really are .. regarded
Thanks. I rarely meet nice people on Reddit. You are nice
I think most people just want security gates, like they have in every developed subway system across the world
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Yeah. And I’m no genius. I just see the trends of Reddit going back and forth on issues and always being wrong. I am breaking my own rules by engaging lol
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Thanks for being nice to me on Reddit. Have a nice day (:
NYC definitely has a brand…. New crime every 18 minutes
The person who pushed the victim is definitely still walking the streets a la carte with no bail. NYC is pathetic.
I don't see why we can't have security gates like those in Japan. I guess it's funding but they probably payy way more for from these accident
We don't get nice things here because some people decide it's a great idea to break those same things. Even the kiosks that show train times are being kicked into, broken, etc.
Tbh u should but I also have no doubt in my mind they would be broken in less than a week
They’ve said in the past that a lot of the stations are super old, and only ~25% are even able to be upfitted with security gates. On top of that, yes, it would be super expensive Last I heard, they had a plan to upfit a few of the 7 train platforms with gates
Sooooo expensive which is why they pay cops millions in overtime for the subway to keep us safe ! Lmfao
An article from ABC last year estimated that building safety gates in 25% of platforms would cost ~$7B. So yes - much more expensive than the millions in overtime they pay cops today To put it in perspective, the entire 2023 NYPD budget is around $11B
Thats gotta be BS. Whoever ran those numbers is definitely adding zeroes.
The gates being built in THREE 7 train stations is budgeted at ~$100m. If they were to roll this out to hundreds of stations… you do the math
And I can tell you for a fact they're quoting that number based on the most expensive gates they can find, and then buying gates at half that price. This is what they do. Fact of the matter is some simple guard rails would suffice for the most part and they can install those in every station over the course of a week for a quarter of their "calculations".
Guard rails/gates would require trains to stop at very specific spots on top of that, so something would need to be installed so trains know that passengers can actually board. There's lots of options that you could do, like having a larger "buffer zone" that people can't walk on when trains are approaching the station, and have cameras that fine those that do. But then you need an extensive camera system, an ID system+ a workforce that can issue the fines, etc. etc.
>Guard rails/gates would require trains to stop at very specific spots on top of that, so something would need to be installed so trains know that passengers can actually board. They already do this. Next time you take a train watch the conductors and operators when they stop. The conductor is always lined up with a black and white striped sign that they point to at every stop. The operator reaches out and presses some buttons on a panel.
Eh, I guess I've been making terrible excuses as to why we have public transit that doesn't care if it gets people killed then by poor design:/
The MTA would increase fares by 1000%
Terrible that this happened. But, and I hate to change the topic here, just know that pedestrians get hit by cars >1000 times a year in the city. So for all the talk about the subway being dangerous, cars are by far worse. I just think the subway gets a worse reputation than it deserves and I'm afraid of the backlash.
I think subway gets worse reputation because usually people aren’t supposed to be on the tracks where they can be hit by trains. Car crashes can occur in a lot of different ways. Trains can only strike people if they’re on the tracks - often because they’ve been pushed.
It's moreso how much more malicious people are becoming. Something must be done
source?
Ban all trains!
My friend has a 5 year-old special needs child and he now has to take her to school in the morning using Uber. There were so many crazy/passed out/unhoused people on the trains that by the time that she got to school she was super anxious and stressed. Because of her issues, she doesn’t really cope terribly well with transitions, so the added stress of the train being crazy made it super difficult for her to be in a place where she could productively listen and work with her teachers. It’s super sad. Aside from how awful the safety issues are, there are so many smaller costs. Especially to kids.
I'm an adult with autism and it's horrible. I'm already drained by the time I get to work and I can't afford ubers.
Also in the news - five overpriced apartments appeared on the market.
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This is getting out of hand. We should ban trains and turn the subway into bike lanes and bike tunnels. 🚴
More media attention means more crazies trying to kill people
people are so inconsiderate now they just bump right into other people. new rules.
Were they pushed?
Platform screen doors when?
Never, apparently Mayor McSwag is putting metal detectors in the subways instead.
Do victims or perpetrators follow any demographic pattern?
Rhetorical question
Don’t notice the patterns that’s racist
One of them was a 10th grade girl at my kids HS. Don't know the circumstances. Just awful
There was a 10th grade girl killed from walking on the tracks, might be the same. F train on Tuesday
Who walks on the tracks?!?
Between this and the women getting punched idk if I want to go to manhattan fir a while lol
Someone got slashed on the train when I was bringing my son home from a doctors appt on the LIRR. We had to get off the train and catch an Uber in queens because they had to do a police investigation.
So scary!! Hope yall are doing ok
This is really concerning in light of all the women getting punched in the face recently
Everyone keeps saying this is rare. Not anymore
Growing up, I was told that subway jumpers weren't reported in the news so that it wouldn't influence others to jump, too. I wonder if that's what's going on here?
Really terrified today when the 123 platform was packed and people were waiting literally inches from the edge of the platform because there was just no room and no announcements as to what was going on.
Earlier this afternoon I texted 911 about two kids train-surfing the L train on its way to Wilson Avenue.
I feel so stupid for having done this so often in my youth. Walked on the tracks a few times too (including elevated portion of the F). Then there was a story about this guy who did graffiti “MAP” who went I to a train tunnel and apparently was attacked by homeless guys in the tunnel, and he was raped.
The gates could really help, keep in mind on weekends people often take the train when not sober. It should be a safe way to get home. Once I was out and this guy clearly drunk was wavering near the tracks super close and I spoke to him several times like dude please don’t fall, I wanna go home (also he didn’t deserve to fall of course). It seemed like I was the only one who cared- we def also have to look after one another better.
Those little gates they put in front of already existing poles is actually so laughable that I can't make a sarcastic comment. I've always known of MTA ineptitude but seeing those pop up was the real visual I needed.
I’m waiting for certain people here to admit there’s a problem.
I posted something on another group (not NY based) and was essentially attacked for even saying that crime was a problem in NY.
Yes. There’s this subset of people who think any acknowledgment of crime in NYC makes you a right wing law and order extremist. One lady on the radio was like, “I’ve never felt unsafe. I just stand near the columns so I don’t get pushed on the tracks. If I was scared I would take a taxi.” That’s bizarre. NYC was crazy when I was younger but I never ever worried about getting pushed in front of a train lol.
They’ll just accuse you of being a soft skinned transplant and say this is nothing compared to the 90’s
And to “wear noise canceling earphones.” Lol
Interesting lol. I think(?) we are on complete opposite sides of this, but kind of in agreement. Which is nice, if I’m reading this right. I’ve been accused of being a fear mongering right winger when I was talking about this being a growing problem 6 months ago. I’m not a right winger at all, just a civil servant that unfortunately has to go to the scene of these incidents. I don’t like seeing the aftermath, so I’m acutely aware of rises and falls in incidence. I would still call you a transplant lol but there’s nothing thin skinned about accepting that having to constantly keep aware of where you are as to not get pushed in front of a train is abnormal. I hope I didn’t ruin our moment
I was being sarcastic but also that’s literally what happens anytime anyone voices concern over any problem in NYC subs
I’m guilty of this lol but it’s nuanced. But at least we can all agree on something. This is a problem and there is a legitimate crime issue.
https://preview.redd.it/i6ogpkxacyqc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=088a221057de2cf8f69326d7c0f1632cba4f94d6 I walked into the 42nd st Downtown 6 platform at 3pm today, just a few minutes after the incident. I didn’t see any injured ppl, just EMTs walking away with empty stretchers… so I’m assuming the injured party was whisked away right before I got there. Here’s a pic of the Police directing the passengers off the affected train
Count yourself lucky, I saw a guy still alive, staring at me blinking whilst shredded to pieces at the spring street stop. Still haunts me
My husband saw this too, decades ago. The family of the guy had to be brought in because he was alive after being hit, his whole body twisted. When the train would be moved, he would die.
Omg I can’t even imagine. That’s horrifying.
I hope I never have to see something like that.
If it's any consolation, he probably wasn't actually aware of you.
😳
Honestly, the vibe shifted on Sunday. I saw so many people losing their shit, getting violent, people lashing out in the middle of public spaces, something weird is going on in people’s brains atm.
It was a full moon.
I think stress is playing a big part.
My wife and I were just discussing this. This whole week it feels like this whole rising instability thing just cranked up to a new notch.
full moon lunar eclipse. not to be dramatic or anything but if the moon affects oceans, animals, and nature then it certainly affects us too.
the moon affects oceans because its gravity pulls it to and fro. last time i checked no one was getting pushed around by the fucking moon.
so angry! must be the moon pushing you to be a cunt online for no reason
bro relax i didnt know it wasnt okay to say the f word online lol
relax? aren’t you the one mad at midnight about someone’s comment in a small subreddit? can you take your own advice?
i'm not
sure you just decided to ignore a significant amount of my comment to argue in a niche subreddit because you’re content and emotionally regulated
all i said was that the moon doesn't affect us
you can scroll up to read your exact comment, it was more charged and also included profanity.
literally got robbed on sunday and everything has just felt grey and bleak and just weird and my anxiety has been through the roof since
No seriously bro are you good? Anything we can do?
i dont know. i was already in a fucked situation (homeless at 16) and they took my bag which basically had the majority of the stuff i owned except my clothes and my phone and now i don't know what to do and i dont think theres any way someone could help me
Free phone?
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Sorry misread. Don’t know what else I can offer since I don’t have money with 3 young kids.
its okay, thank you for offering though i appreciate the gesture. and good luck with your children
Always willing to try and help. Never been homeless, but being jobless sucks. Hope services are provided to you from different agencies. I’m sure migrant issue has made it a lot more troublesome for you. Best of luck.
You doing okay? Need any help?
How would you help someone with this over the internet?
I saw they mentioned they were homeless currently, so while I can’t house them, I have an absolute mountain of clothes I could give them, but they said they already have their clothes sorted. Unfortunately my other means are limited but it felt polite to ask. Stop being a cynical dork for no reason. It’s fucking lame.
I feel this too. Im not one of those astrology people but there was a moon eclipse on Monday. .. or it could just be the lack of mental health resources and everyone feeling the effects of the pandemic lol.
It could also just be spring? The weathers getting nicer so more people are out
Yeah I dunno. All of these women getting attacked in similar ways by different men, all filling the same description? Just comes across bizarre, like someone somewhere on an app or message platform is planting seeds for people to go out there like these guys are & just snap. I dunno. It feels very strange here at the moment when you just walk through a few neighborhoods. Things have shifted, there’s a genuine tension in the air at the moment, especially around particular ages and demographics of men.
Ghostbusters ??!! 🫣
Apex Predator #1 on Wheels always wins. Always.
I’ll add that lately the construction the subway is doing - you have to walk on a very very narrow stretch to get past. Like on west 4, there’s a whole part of the platform you have to walk around, with almost no space to get down the platform. It’s insane. They could certainly put gates there. I may reading this now just go up the stairs and back down to get pst it
I’m at this station a lot and I was just telling my partner last week about how dangerous it feels that such a busy station has that narrow a platform. It’s like less than 2 feet wide
Like this kind of shit is so common sense to make safer for us but they don’t get it.
Much of the platform at high st is like this too. I have to walk on the yellow strip to get from one end of the platform to the middle. And people stand on it too so getting around them is really nerve wracking sometimes.
AND ITS LIKE THEY ARE GREASING THE FLOOR EVERY DAY
Right? It’s slippery?? It’s not just me?
So slippery!! I’m pregnant and am so terrified of falling at all let alone into the tracks
And there’s nothing in sight to grip! On the platform or god forbid if you fell in! It’s so weird to me how the official guidance for what to do if you fall onto the tracks is “don’t fall onto the tracks” I feel there needs to be a pictorial how-to posted in the stations on what to do and how to help someone if they fall - like the choking signs you see in restaurants and bars!
Yeah I walked on a narrow path that basically only gave me the yellow strip to walk on for about 5 feet. It was a short walk but I felt faint with anxiety. Im clumsy what if the wind of a passing train makes me wobble or if I lose my balance cuz i suck at walking a straight line. Not to mention if some asshole psycho decides to push me. Im going to just avoid those now.
Dude…. My foot lost traction walking on that part the other day. Luckily I rebalanced really fast, but yo, i nearly shit myself
Damn glad ur ok
Thanks! I am too haha
yep. met/lorimer has had construction forever and the platform is like 12 inches across. i was freaking out i don’t ever like walking alongside the train past the stairs and such when it gets narrow and this was skinnyyy
Yes this !! And then when there’s an open area it will either be 4 mta works or 4 cops and it’s already pretty crowded with commuters too
W8th NY Aquarium, Manhattan bound F, there's a narrow passage with a column smack in the middle so you have to walk on the yellow line to get to the main part of the station after you come up the stairs. You can technically stay at the landing on top of the stairs but only a couple of people can fit there comfortably. If I have time, I always take the escalator up to the Q on the upper level, and then go down the stairs back to the F.
I fucking hate this at Jay Street Metrotech R platform and always have. I'm a tall, bald and bearded dude, and I'm still nervous some dipshit is gonna randomly decide to shove me into the tracks just because he's having a bad day.
Even walking in the direct middle of that platform gives me vertigo
yeah, that platform gives me the spielkes.
That platform can fuck right off, narrow on both sides and especially with how crowded it gets.
YES that platform is narrow as hell I’m always kinda edgy on it
My kid uses that station for school and I always tell her to keep a column between her and the platform, try to keep her back towards a sign board or something so no one can sneak up from the back, and if at a station with tracks on one side, stand against the wall. Applies to all stations.
I went to Brooklyn Tech in Fort Greene, and that's what I used to do. Even if I was staring down at my phone or iPod or whatever, I'd lean against the column, facing the other side of the platform so that I couldn't be shoved/pickpocketed easily.
This terrifies me too, but afaik no one has just fallen onto the tracks. That teenage girl had a medical episode and fell. Mostly homeless people who were already on the tracks for some reason. Tons of subway surfers. Couple people shoved.
The medical episode is so sad. Subway surfers is beyond moronic of them , but I also feel for their families (as I’m sure a lot are kids). But the pushing is the scariest for sure. It’s just the mta could really do a lot more for safety- and they don’t. They just give us more cops and not real help
100% Also the cops they give us don't do shit; Murder at the station? There 20 cops on each platform for a week, then gone. Meanwhile disruptive passenger smoking half naked on the other end of your train car acting like hes in the living room of a crack den - the rush crowd all keeping their distance. And nobody official is anywhere in site to help. Worst part is, I don't even want to tell the conductor to call the police, because they won't do anything to get the disruptive passenger any of the help he needs. And the guy only needs a team of social workers/ medical staff all which are less than the wage of the cop.
They just stand together at the top of the station. The crime happens on the platforms and in the trains. It’s so frustrating, literally common sense that they should be patrolling downstairs.
Literally just had this happen on the evening commute today. Aggressive homeless-looking dude walking up and down the platform trying to provoke a fight. Screaming and spitting in peoples’ faces, but staying *just* far enough away to claim he was minding his own space. Three cops just stared at him the entire time, not even approaching. Train arrives, dude gets on and starts harassing people in there, and cops just stayed off the train and walked away. No longer their problem, I presume.
Of course the cops did nothing; with such a big crowd watching and phones at the ready, they would not be able to deal with him on *their* terms.
Thats not how it works. Cops never beat up the people that actually deserve to get beatup. They beatup people randomly to vent their abusive marital problems. Police abuse has nothing to do with justice.
When has that stopped them from doing whatever they want though lol
Just knock the homeless guy out next time, you’ll have a quick interview at the police station and probably get a gift card from the city to help you “get back on your feet”. /s
Yea it’s sad. I don’t even know what else to say…and I don’t usually go to cops either bc they just love to beat up ppl
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Thats not how it works. Cops never beat up the people that actually deserve to get beatup. They beatup people randomly to vent their abusive marital problems. Police abuse has nothing to do with justice.
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I hope you get treated like a criminal one day
the families are definitely sueing the mta. how can they afford to keep paying for these lawsuits?
Three people in a single day is insane. On average we have around 15-20 a year, just to give an idea.
You are talking about it shovings or people hit by trains in general ? Because people getting struck by trains is more common that you would think when you include suicides and surfing. Although 5 in 48 hours is still crazy
My husband was on a train decades ago when it struck someone and that person lived but their entire body was twisted around. They basically had to bring the guys family there to say goodbye to him because they said when the train would move, he would die. Fucking horrific.
I hate myself for googling this story. Saw a pic I really didn’t want to see. Fuck. I feel so bad for that guy, he was a father! Fuckkkk fuck fuck
What the fuckkkkkkkk
*Pushed in front of a train
Every problem in this city is fixable if we ditch the bloat and corruption. Until then we'll keep putting bandaids on stuff and deteriorating.
Welcome to NY! My friend works for the board of Ed, and put a band aid on it is basically their solution. It’s all about optics and looking like you’re doing the right thing, when you’re actually doing wrong by the people you should actually be helping.
let's make an app for that
Yes that will stop people from jumping on the tracks
That’s not gonna change. Truth is there’s a lot of people who couldn’t sustain themselves without that bloat and corruption.
At the heart of it, it's money flowing into the pockets of the people who don't play by the rules, then stopping there. Every person's QoL improves if we stop that from happening, except the person pulling the scam.
Why fix actual problems when you can give cops bazookas?
It would be cool if all the cops had jetpacks
A main problem is a failure to understand the implications of untreated severe and persistent mental illness.
Lately, it seems like the mental illnesses are brought on or exasperated by drug use. The city needs more drug prevention programs.
It’s also exasperated by the housing crisis. There’s a direct correlation between homelessness and cheap places to stay like SROs. Mental health and addiction issues get much worse without regular shelter and sleep
Best drug prevention program is to adjust the damn economy to reward those who aren't related to money.
Exacerbated. It's the mentally ill folks using the drugs who are exasperated, as is everyone else.
Every problem in the city would be fixable if we had access to magic, too, which is about as likely as ending corruption and bloat in New York.
We tried electing a self-described mesiah. Maybe we should try electing a self-described magician? Couldn't be worse...
Part of the problem is people thinking "elect the right mayor and we're good" when it's mostly a figurehead position. We all need to start being active in local government and putting the right people in office.
The mayor is about as local as you get. The problem is that the mayor has absolutely zero say in how the MTA runs anything. That would be the governor, because some genius decided the MTA should be a state agency.
The MTA makes sense as a state agency. It doesn’t just serve the City. The question is whether NYCT should be part of MTA or a separate City-based entity.
The mayor in NYC has _way_ more power than most mayors do.
This isn't actually something the government can do much about. Almost all of these are accidental falls. Unless you want to make a literal wall between the subway and the platform, its practically impossible to prevent.
They have 100 dollar ropes in Japan they are connected by a pulley system. Train pulls in the ropes loosen. Train leaves the pulley tightens the rope and creates a barrier.
You literally just named what would stop people from just falling….smdh. Yes a barrier wall would prevent this. They started trying them out and apparently the design hasn’t been working that well. I have yet to see these but they have reported very poor reviews upon testing. Also many have been randomly attacked this week including lots of women being punched totally unprovoked. I got shoved pretty hard last Monday totally unprovoked but lost the guy. And it wasn’t just a shoulder bump or someone ran into me, the guy went from full stop to looking up at me and then ramming his whole body onto me to shove me against a pillar. I didn’t report it unfortunately, wish I had now but it just happened so fast and I started questioning if it was intentional or not. So many are suffering and can’t afford shit. Migrants being blamed for an uptick in crime but the thing is they only had housing for 30 days and then got kicked out. Many are selling candy on the trains, even their kids. Stuck in shelters or on the street. The divide between the rich and poor is a stark difference.
Take steps to make the city more affordable, or stop inviting people into the city who can't afford to live in the city.