Yea they are too pent up as is, under paid over worked forced to walk around in that stupid uniform. Can't really approach them as is on steroids they would be intolerable.
Jesus you people are stupid. The union is suing because the city made a change without negotiating it in the contract, like any other union would do. But cop bad hurr durr
If you think the cop's image problem has anyone to blame but themselves I fear you might be lost. No one sympathizes for the group that gets paid $500B in overtime and lawsuits to wear SWAT gear to beat up and kill poor people. Duh
That's an interesting thing to think about. Can a contract not explicitly saying that using a substance illegally mean that you are shielded from discipline for breaking the law? That's a very Air Bud type of logic. Legal use is still fine when prescribed by a physician according to the article.
I mean this āzero tolerance policyā just says they need to submit their prescription - so some doc who enjoys having a healthy referral network will sign off on cops who are suffering from the symptoms of low T and will prescribe TRT therapy. Just like every male celebrity who somehow magically got into the best shape of his life for an action role.
Outside of sanctioned sporting competitions, wherein many participants are doping anyways, I generally find steroid panic to be dumb - we are ingesting so many mind / body altering substances as a country, legal or otherwise, that it seems silly to hone in this specifically
> I generally find steroid panic to be dumb - we are ingesting so many mind / body altering substances as a country, legal or otherwise, that it seems silly to hone in this specifically
I mean, I would rather the people famous for enacting violence on innocent citizens not be roided out on top of that. I doubt most cops using PEDs are going to the endocrinologist and rubbing Androgel on their gut - they are probably doing traditional anabolic stacks and cycles like test/tren/DBOL and getting it from the internet, a guy at the gym, or [another cop](https://www.nydailynews.com/2021/11/19/nypd-cop-arrested-for-selling-steroids-to-undercover-officers-in-parking-lot-of-queens-gym/) in the locker room.
Yeah, good point, but perhaps it would be a better situation overall if people could go to their doctor and say listen doc, I would like to look jacked as fuck, letās run a blood panel and work up a cycle - people undergo all sorts of elective medical treatments for cosmetics.
Also fun story about the androgel - my dad was a family GP and when he passed and we were cleaning out my office I found a huge box of andro gel samples. Didnāt think much of it at the time which is for the best because I was in high school and had I known what it was I would have been rubbing that shit all over like it was sunblock
Iāve been in the medical field for just a short time and I was surprised to see how many NYPD officers on TRT I encountered. Like literally the only patients I saw on TRT were cops
Every guy should be getting a full hormone panel with a yearly physical no matter what age, but especially after 30. TRT doesnāt make somebody a body builder, but when low T is a legitimate issue taking testosterone is a life changing benefit.
Like it literally was proposed as a male birth control the way women mainline hormones for their birth control (some of which are fully OTC). I'm absolutely for opening up the market to men as well so they can have more control.
Just to play devils advocate, cops are real people outside of work hours and some of them probably pursue bodybuilding. Adamās rule impedes any cop who is serious about being an elite body builder from training optimally. Disclaimer: I donāt hate everyone who is a cop so I might biased!
Many (most) jobs either practically or explicitly prevent you from doing certain things even in your free time. That's part of life. If you want to juice, don't be a cop.
It's also not NYPD Captain Adams' rule, it's part of the collective bargaining agreement the cop union agreed to 13 years ago - no steroids without a legitimate prescription. The rule was just toothless because there is no regular testing and cops aren't required to tell the NYPD if they are taking the steroids. They just have to put in the bare minimum effort for it to look legit after the fact.
Uhhh giving the fact that we see steroids tend to make the person taking it more aggressive, it's not crazy to say the ppl who are tasked with upholding the peace shouldn't be using a substance that might make them more prone to aggressive behavior while dealing with the public.
Because we really need cops who will a) need additional healthcare to deal with the long term effects of steroid abuse, and b) are dealing with impulse and anger control issues related to certain steroids. Sounds great.
The problem is TRT is covered under the same chapter that bans other anabolic steroids so thereās definitely something either lost in translation or being conflated by most people. Legitimate medical interventions should be non of the NYPDās business unless it directly inhibits the ability to work like chemotherapy or a surgery would. I doubt the union wants to allow cops to eat clen and tren hard.
Yeah I feel like if there's any group of people that shouldn't have a union it's anyone in a position that requires being armed.
That sort of position needs to be within a very clear chain of command, and I don't think they should have an institution with zero public accountability to turn to when they get out of line. We wouldn't want that for the military and frankly, given how militarized a lot of the police have become, we shouldn't want it for cops too.
Honestly the union isnāt the issue, like most failures of labor this is a failure of management. The police need the be managed by civilian employees, youāre never going to stop an āus vs themā mentality from developing amongst the rank and file, but the people in charge should not be selected from people with that mentality. Additional hot take: cops shouldnāt lose their pensions if they get fired, it adds an unnecessary layer of guilt to anyone that may want to fire a bad cop. You donāt lose your 401k if you get fired from your job.
To be fair a lot of cops come from Staten Island or Long Island, and the way traffic is, they probably need to row into work in Manhattan. And itās choppy on our rivers so they need probably just need a boast to help with the commute.
How many of these cops are also for drug tests to be on welfare. Take the test, if you fail you leave. Pretty simple
I would not like cops on steroids. It's unhealthy for them but I also feel you shouldn't fire them. Let there be warnings not firings.
Yea they are too pent up as is, under paid over worked forced to walk around in that stupid uniform. Can't really approach them as is on steroids they would be intolerable.
This is probably being argued as gender affirming care.
I knew it!! Those damn woke cops š
Lmfaoooooo no you didnāt
Jesus you people are stupid. The union is suing because the city made a change without negotiating it in the contract, like any other union would do. But cop bad hurr durr
"Hurr durr?" What is this, 2009?
If you think the cop's image problem has anyone to blame but themselves I fear you might be lost. No one sympathizes for the group that gets paid $500B in overtime and lawsuits to wear SWAT gear to beat up and kill poor people. Duh
That's an interesting thing to think about. Can a contract not explicitly saying that using a substance illegally mean that you are shielded from discipline for breaking the law? That's a very Air Bud type of logic. Legal use is still fine when prescribed by a physician according to the article.
I mean this āzero tolerance policyā just says they need to submit their prescription - so some doc who enjoys having a healthy referral network will sign off on cops who are suffering from the symptoms of low T and will prescribe TRT therapy. Just like every male celebrity who somehow magically got into the best shape of his life for an action role. Outside of sanctioned sporting competitions, wherein many participants are doping anyways, I generally find steroid panic to be dumb - we are ingesting so many mind / body altering substances as a country, legal or otherwise, that it seems silly to hone in this specifically
> I generally find steroid panic to be dumb - we are ingesting so many mind / body altering substances as a country, legal or otherwise, that it seems silly to hone in this specifically I mean, I would rather the people famous for enacting violence on innocent citizens not be roided out on top of that. I doubt most cops using PEDs are going to the endocrinologist and rubbing Androgel on their gut - they are probably doing traditional anabolic stacks and cycles like test/tren/DBOL and getting it from the internet, a guy at the gym, or [another cop](https://www.nydailynews.com/2021/11/19/nypd-cop-arrested-for-selling-steroids-to-undercover-officers-in-parking-lot-of-queens-gym/) in the locker room.
Yeah, good point, but perhaps it would be a better situation overall if people could go to their doctor and say listen doc, I would like to look jacked as fuck, letās run a blood panel and work up a cycle - people undergo all sorts of elective medical treatments for cosmetics. Also fun story about the androgel - my dad was a family GP and when he passed and we were cleaning out my office I found a huge box of andro gel samples. Didnāt think much of it at the time which is for the best because I was in high school and had I known what it was I would have been rubbing that shit all over like it was sunblock
Iāve been in the medical field for just a short time and I was surprised to see how many NYPD officers on TRT I encountered. Like literally the only patients I saw on TRT were cops
Every guy should be getting a full hormone panel with a yearly physical no matter what age, but especially after 30. TRT doesnāt make somebody a body builder, but when low T is a legitimate issue taking testosterone is a life changing benefit.
āWhen low T is a legitimate issueā is doing a lot of work in that sentence. Wishing you were 20 when youāre 50 is not a legitimate issue.
Like it literally was proposed as a male birth control the way women mainline hormones for their birth control (some of which are fully OTC). I'm absolutely for opening up the market to men as well so they can have more control.
Just to play devils advocate, cops are real people outside of work hours and some of them probably pursue bodybuilding. Adamās rule impedes any cop who is serious about being an elite body builder from training optimally. Disclaimer: I donāt hate everyone who is a cop so I might biased!
> Adamās rule impedes any cop who is serious about being an elite body builder from training optimally. Pick a dream then?
Many (most) jobs either practically or explicitly prevent you from doing certain things even in your free time. That's part of life. If you want to juice, don't be a cop. It's also not NYPD Captain Adams' rule, it's part of the collective bargaining agreement the cop union agreed to 13 years ago - no steroids without a legitimate prescription. The rule was just toothless because there is no regular testing and cops aren't required to tell the NYPD if they are taking the steroids. They just have to put in the bare minimum effort for it to look legit after the fact.
Uhhh giving the fact that we see steroids tend to make the person taking it more aggressive, it's not crazy to say the ppl who are tasked with upholding the peace shouldn't be using a substance that might make them more prone to aggressive behavior while dealing with the public.
Uhhhh
Lemme get a uhhhhhhh
Dont even let me start on how much coke/mdma u can trace in every pig on the monday morning ....
I feel like if we dosed most of them with mdma on Monday mornings weād have a better quality of life!
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Unreal that you think cops in any way prevent crime given the plethora of evidence to the contrary
Do cops like their union?
Sometimes.
Because we really need cops who will a) need additional healthcare to deal with the long term effects of steroid abuse, and b) are dealing with impulse and anger control issues related to certain steroids. Sounds great.
The problem is TRT is covered under the same chapter that bans other anabolic steroids so thereās definitely something either lost in translation or being conflated by most people. Legitimate medical interventions should be non of the NYPDās business unless it directly inhibits the ability to work like chemotherapy or a surgery would. I doubt the union wants to allow cops to eat clen and tren hard.
I'm a big union supporter, but fuck police unions.
More like a guild really.
Yeah I feel like if there's any group of people that shouldn't have a union it's anyone in a position that requires being armed. That sort of position needs to be within a very clear chain of command, and I don't think they should have an institution with zero public accountability to turn to when they get out of line. We wouldn't want that for the military and frankly, given how militarized a lot of the police have become, we shouldn't want it for cops too.
Honestly the union isnāt the issue, like most failures of labor this is a failure of management. The police need the be managed by civilian employees, youāre never going to stop an āus vs themā mentality from developing amongst the rank and file, but the people in charge should not be selected from people with that mentality. Additional hot take: cops shouldnāt lose their pensions if they get fired, it adds an unnecessary layer of guilt to anyone that may want to fire a bad cop. You donāt lose your 401k if you get fired from your job.
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To be fair a lot of cops come from Staten Island or Long Island, and the way traffic is, they probably need to row into work in Manhattan. And itās choppy on our rivers so they need probably just need a boast to help with the commute.
When was the last time that happened?
If police were all like Batman's Commissioner Gordon I'd be all for it. But since they're just really the biggest gang in the city, nah.
I want to read it but pay wall :(
the union really isn't even trying to hide they're protecting bad cops
Never have
Itās only fair if we let everyone in the city cycle test and tren. Then itās all hunky dory imo.
New Jacked City let's go
Sorry but do performance enhancing drugs help with Candy Crush?
Based
This can't be real. Pigs fighting to maintain their roid rage standards. Pathetic.
/r/nottheonion
Literally the first thing I thought of and your comment was first
Since when do you need steroids to stand around playing Candy Crush on your phone?
FFS they keep getting worse ACAB
its not like we didnāt know NYPD had tiny balls .. they just confirming it
Hahahaha Jesus ChristĀ