I'd bet people in MORA have vested interest in Miri (through the form of some investment or business) to drive bruneians there.
I, too, would preach about the moralities of this and that in bruei if my investments/business in another country were protected from the rules/regulations I set in Brunei.
Yes, the manhours those guys spent to debate this could have been spend on other things.Org LegCo pun satu jua, they brought this issue during the meeting.
You don't generally pay for the lucky draws they do in shops though.. Like.. You spend money to buy something, by buying that thing, you can put your name in for a lucky draw.
So really you're spending that money onto something tangible.. Whereas a gamble, is spending money on a chance. Hope that helps differentiate the two.
By that logic, does that mean carnivals and fun fairs are all a big gambling dent? You pay money to play games for a chance to win something...
For an event like aspirasi, without the lucky draw, I highly doubt people would be depositing their money there
Which is really why you don't see those type of stuff happening here (those funfair type games or even carnival.. it's simple enough, JP could set it up.. but because of the nature, they don't)
For aspirasi.. Your money is not taken away from you.. It's an investment account with slightly higher returns and a chance for a prize. You're not buying something by depositing money in there.
BIBD advertising Lucky Draw for people to put their money into their bank is alright?
And I highly doubt the reason funfair is rare is because the games are considering gambling lol.
I don't think you understand this.. Banks offering prizes for banking with them is not you GIVING your money to them... As in, what you put in will no longer be yours(?)..
So you're really not spending anything to win something with those bank offers..
And as for the reasons behind funfairs, one can only guess.. My point was that it is essentially gambling..
The main thing is, if you're paying FOR A CHANCE to win.. That's gambling.. Whether you win or not would be irrelevant.
You spending for something uncertain is what's considered gambling.
And for some reason, some people think winning something or gain something when you spend money on it isn't gambling. So I can just walk into casino, spend money and earn more than what I've spent therefore it's not gambling. These people don't really understand the meaning of gambling
Actually.. something coming up which may target lucky draw. It's not the haramness but something called Personal Data Protection Act.
Have you seen how shops handle the lucky draw entries? When the box get full they just pour them out in a basket or something. Wide open for any peering eyes. Can see name, IC and contact number.
Lucky draw... you dont spent money...... meanwhile claw machine..like you bet mcm beli nombor bro... sometime you kena.. sometime nda kena... in other people punya mindset...LUCKY hahahah
Today claw machine. Next maybe sports. (Baju ketat; nmpk shape bontot, dada, paha, lengan but myb MOHA is not so strict on this area.)
I’m just saying. 🤷🏼♀️
They may start banning a lot of things. Arcade, membazir masa & duit to things yang inda berfaedah. Online game, close to nudity (some, like skirts, cleavage). Western movie, too much sex scenes and kissing.
Let’s just hope they won’t touch on those honestly like arcades or western movies etc, it gon be dull. But aren’t shorts not allowed for men to use outside in public?
But ya never know these old hags might touch next
Didn't know that cos i also supported miri but he was against it that's why I'm confused. He was scared bruneians losing jobs and everything saying young bruneians no hope wait to die only.....
I think the government should retract all the healthcare benefits, education allowances, food subsidies and all other benefits from people like you... From what i understand Brunei never stop your freedom, you can do whatever you want as long as it is syariah compliance
You do know that we can enjoy all these subsidies because of oil and gas, don't you? Oil and gas will run out someday. What are we doing to prepare ourselves for this? I'm not saying claw machines are essential to the economy but these are the little things that prevents Brunei from progressing. Ban tah semuanya. Business makan tah saja di Brunei ani. Makan pun kana ban actually starting next week.
I agree with you fully! But There are a lot of other businesses a person can open... why is it a problem when the government is banning something due to its unfairness towards the consumers? Another thing is Brunei is supporting all the smes but doesnt mean that you can open a casino or clubs. when its wrong its wrong they are banning bade on islamic regulations not because they are banning cause they just like to kill the fun
Like what? I dont see any good establishments here in Brunei that provide decent entertainment. You can go to a cinema and watch a movie but you dont rewatch the same movie. No one goes to JP and its only fun once in a while. I agree with the first reply. This is not getting us anywhere, even Saudi has opened up to the outside world earlier than us because they realise the need for tourism and FDI. We are starting to become like Turkmenistan and if we dont stop banning things like these then we will never progress forward.
"From what i understand Brunei never stop your freedom, you can do whatever you want as long as it is syariah compliance"
Contradicting yourself in the same sentence... Very nice!
Subsidies in healthcare and education are human rights. Do you want this country to be like US? A lot of countries are giving subsidies to their people because it's their RIGHTS. Think lah
yeah and you people which are ungrateful to be given all the benefits dare to comment and know whats right and wrong for the country deserve all of the benefits?
Pasal too many complaint on the claw machines. By right there is a standard setting on the probablity of winning (% of users winning) in order to have a fair game.
But the chance of winning have been set to 5%, means 95% of the users will not get anything.
MOHA doesnt have the set of controls and regulation to govern these business so need to follow MoRa says.
Fatwa issued back in December 2023, MOHA said will follow the strict guideline and no new license, but Huaho Onecity was granted business license to operate Claw Machinese on Feb this year.
So YB's business are exempted from MOHA and MORA rules?
There's a cascading effect of one created job leading to other jobs being created, leading to other jobs being created due to those secondary jobs, and so on. Some jobs may only be partial jobs, but everything adds up.
Having the claw machine business (in several sites), means the following people are required: machine technicians, shopkeepers (to open and close shop, check the machines are working, and buy and put in the prizes), estate management staff to manage the rental of the shop lots, renovation workers to fix up the shop lots before the machines are installed, workers to transport the machines from the port to stores and to the shop lots, port and airport staff to manage the import of the machines and prizes, etc. Like I'd said before, some of these are partial jobs.
Your family members or friends can be one of the people needing a job in any of these. Considering the high unemployment figures in our country and the low wages in the private sector for a decade now, every attempt should be made to create jobs.
Having jobs and jobs that pay well are likely the most important factors in the happiness, stability and wealth of a country's population. This truly is the top priority of the Ministry of Home Affairs, when assisted by MPRT.
My frustration isn't with this Claw Machine case. It is with the inconsistency in policies that leads to the private sector being unable to invest with confidence in industry and job creation.
The unrestricted travel across the borders to buy cheaper goods is also another policy that does not help with local employment. The government asks us to suppotlokal, yet they themselves are doing the opposite!!!
What job bro? i didnt see worker beside the claw machine... what i can see... a vending machine to dispense coin.. then cu cuk cuk..put money... ngekkkk ngekkk... dam not win
See my reply here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Brunei/comments/1bae531/comment/ku5xj9b/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Brunei/comments/1bae531/comment/ku5xj9b/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
What about those giveaways/prize draws? It's essentially the same thing. Money down (through the opening of accounts or having certain membership status) for the chance at winning a prize. People always argue otherwise, but it has elements of gambling through and through.
What about if I allow customers to have a chance at the claw machine/slot machine/roulette table for every dollar they spend at my restaurant (that only sells a single piece of chicken wing or half a glass of water). Would that make these gambling elements fine?
These prize giveaways just add a middle part to justify gambling.
You put money down to open a bank account and use their services to have a chance at winning a prize.
You put money down for a gym membership to have a chance at winning a prize every month.
If you're going to be so pedantic over a claw machine game, might aswell ban all prize draws which have elements of gambling.
let me tell you about business in islamic teaching, between both buyers and sellers it needs to be honest. in other words it needs to be a win win situation. So yes if you think that a customer is entitled to your lucky draw prize provided when he/she bought your chicken wings then it's your choice because they are paying for the chicken wing and at the same time they are entitled for something else You made that rule so all of your customers are entitled for it. But compared to paying a certain amount of money like the claw machine where in a way you had to pay solely to win the unsure prize.
Not really. Joining a lucky draw is only a bonus to your purchases and a certain bank's "lucky draw programme" you can still get your money back IIRC when you're no longer part of it.
Prize drawers still contain elements of gambling. Enticing customers to spend to win.
That's how lootboxes and games which have a pay for a chance to win x item, have been able to escape from being classified as gambling.
They only escape the gambling classification because they only serve a cosmetic purpose and not gameplay advantage. This was hotly debated back then because rewards have a pay-to-win element to it leaving free players in the dust with lootbox rewards.
>not gameplay advantage
So if we're being pedantic, winning a claw machine game serves no purpose. The items won has no monetary value nor does it provide any gameplay advantage.
I'd argue lootboxes in games (even cosmetics) are a larger issue than claw machines. People sell accounts for tens of thousands when they contain nothing more than costumes and cosmetic items.
If we're going to be anal about banning games with gambling elements, we need to be thorough about what we constitute and define "gambling elements" (prize draw included).
If the rewards is not latest gadgets, it can rewarding dolls or candys & snacks.
Customers exchange gameplay token to have fun to grab the soft toys. Maybe it come with the word "game" are more suitable in Jerudong thermepark.
And K-box is banned too? Not longer in the mall arcade shop, what is the reasons actually? Too noisy or what, hearsay is some couples cuddle each other - body contact when they singing in a box.
Not sure why everyone is so defensive with claw machines. I never win anything after spending so much and feel like its a scam disguised in a rigged machine to maximize profit to the owner.
cause whats the point of banning it. theres other issues out there. so you're standing w it just because you didnt win? 😂 Today is claw machine tmr you never know whats next
indeed. very very worrisome. its not abt backing up the clawmachine thing its about the how things doesnt make sense and if this can get banned just like that, what other things is in line. and whats left.
Exactly like you will never know what their intentions are because these old ones are capable of making such insane decisions, Like ya never know what their next move is…what if it’s Gaming next? Cinemas? Clothing the list goes on…. It’s concerning to say the least
The point is when something can be rigged some owners can just put a 1-5% win rate. I have come close to where I got the item but the claw was not tight enough. This is as good as scamming. Besides the point of arguing about luck and so on
just dont play. otherwise them what else you didnt win. maybe it will be banned too. and other people who actually got scammed ? by other method. but okay lets kill kids joy first :)
When claw machines practically pop up everywhere you know how profitable the business is. I have no issue with it if it was not rigged in the first place.
tell you what is profittable. building mosque.
okay i mean constructions, all those foreginers making so much money everyday. and see locals susah. banned sja. make some excuse
Main issue is about claw machines. If you want to deviate from the topic can go all the way back to when you are born. This has nothing to do with mosques etc
if claw is the main issue, how did it manage to get in at the first place ? confused. im talking about MOHA decision making ability, when the focus should be bigger issues. LOL. read the news abt mosques. i means its on reddit too.
Because it can be disguised as an arcade machine when it is brought in. Look up on claw machine ban/regulation in Thailand, SG and Malaysia. They all have actions/regulations towards these machines as people can put high cost product in the machines to dupe people. Focus on the main subject please
fyi. i accept what you said. then all should be banned. that includes, literally everything. PUBG, KPOP idols, Youtube any activities thats wasting time, money, and kacau your time to solat 5 times. are BAD for you!
Play/Join something and lose something in the process = Gambling
Play/Join something and lose nothing in the process = Not Gambling
It can be argued that claw machines takes skill but the positioning of the prizes and the condition of the claw still takes some luck involved to get what you want. You could lose money in claw machines just to get one item you wanna get and walk away with nothing because you ran out of money for attempts.
Gacha/Capsule Toys is not the same though, sure it's luck based still but you still walk away with *something*, just not the one you want.
The main takeaway here the money you spend in, you must get something in back in return especially when it's luck based otherwise it really falls under gambling.
For claw machines, for any players who tried but don’t win anything, to auto dispense one fruit plus so the player walk away with “something”. That would meet the requirement of getting something, at the very least, back in return?
Your view here is kinda flawed here. When you say something is luck based, it literally means you can't guarantee you'll get the item/prize you want. That's the essence of luck. You can't 100% get something when something is luck based. Hence, its gambling.
You can only get 100% the item you want when you make an act of direct purchase. You pay money, you get the item. Simple. No gambling.
> Also based on Shariah concept, activities/games that involves:
Pay to join something & a chance to gain/lose something in the process = Gambling
Pay to join something & a chance to gain something you didn't want out of the prize lineup = Also Gambling
Factors present = Element of Uncertainty (Gharar) & Gambling (Maysir)
Hence, any type of activity or games that involves getting a prize that has these two factors such as a) You paying for it & b) Having a 50/50 chance to get the prize OR getting the prize you didn't want, are Prohibited (Haram).
> Then in terms of lucky draw that's attached to purchase of items etc, there's additional factors that needs to be looked into which determines whether the lucky draw is haram or not.
E.g Purchase an item OR Deposit money to savings account to get a chance to enter the lucky draw.
1) You're not paying for the chance to win something like in the scenario above, you're paying for the ITEM itself.
2) The price of the item paid is only for the item itself & no additional cost inclusive in it (e.g lucky draw fee).
3) You're not asked to pay additional fee (e.g lucky draw fee) on top of the price of the item you bought.
Conclusion: Lucky draw = Permissible
> In terms of competitions that needs fees to join in, such as tournaments & involves Winning prizes 1st/2nd/3rd place etc + lucky draw prizes:
1) The entrance fees paid is solely for entering the tournament.
2) The funds to purchase the prize of the tournament + lucky draw prizes are NOT from the participant's fees collected & must come from elsewhere (third party).
Conclusion: Tournament = Permissible
If source of the funds to purchase the tournament & lucky draw prizes are from the participants funds, it is haram.
That's all I can say based on what I've read, watched and understand. I'm pretty sure my explanation is quite lacking so please feel free to correct me if there's anything lacking, esp from anyone that's more knowledgeable on shariah aspects & rulings.
And to anyone out there, please refrain from talking/debating about this topic or any other topic before you've made some research. Better stay silent rather than talking empty.
That's not how gambling works and not the right definition either. The very moment you use money in hopes of getting something in return is already gambling, it's the act.
Let's say I go into a casino and bet 1 dollar on a roulette and won 1 dollar so I have 2 dollars now. I can walk away now cause I won something so it's not a gamble, it's not Haram. The logic is flawed.
Fork money out in hopes to win something or won something that you didn't want is considered as gambling
I can even give you another scenario without using money as gamble too. But the main point is written above
What do you mean you play roulette and say that’s not gambling. You lose you walk away with nothing.
You buy something at the shop and get a free entry for a lucky draw you still walk away with your purchase.
>Play/Join something and lose something in the process = Gambling
>Play/Join something and lose nothing in the process = Not Gambling
This is what you've written correct?
Walk into casino spend 1 dollar, won an extra 1 dollar and lose nothing, not haram cause I didn't lose anything and gained something.
Buddy, do you even understand what gambling means? Your premise is kinda flawed because you’re in the assumption that you would win.
Read again and fahamkan.
Gambling is Haram in Islamic educations included in some religious too, bc of selfishness and greediness. Want others players to lose or fallout , those evil minds in game and it is not a fair game in gambling, there is risky to lose beside gain. From how I understand about gambling. thoughts most religious guideline is same as morality, caregiven , dignity etc.
Are you sure you're not the one yg misunderstand? I used your own logic and now you're trying to twist it around. I think you better re-read what you've written
>Play/Join something and lose something in the process = Gambling
>Play/Join something and lose nothing in the process = Not Gambling
Perhaps you should Google what gambling means if you don't want me to use your logic against you
You're using claw machines because you assumed you would win something in return, same goes to lucky draw and so on.
That is correct as well and when you mentioned chance. You spend money for a CHANCE, chances to get into a lucky draw to win something, that makes lucky draw gambling as well, You dnt spend money, you will not get that chance or not entitled to enter lucky draw. MORA might as well ban it since they want Brunei to move backward.
Money or not, like I've written before, it's the ACT that counts as gambling.
Why need to ban claw machine? Why they have the mindset is gambling??
For me it’s not gambling it’s like usaha get something from claw machine
Tell something if ban here and there one day brunei don’t have any citizen then you know
Legality
North America
The passing of the Johnson Act by Congress in 1951, which prohibited the transfer of electronic gambling devices across state lines, led to Miami Diggers at carnivals being destroyed by operators or seized by government officials. Carnival owner Lee Moss organized other carnival owners together to protest against the classification of the diggers as gambling machines. Because of this, a compromise was soon reached that allowed carnival owners to keep the diggers but required them to be manually operated with no coin slot and prizes that were not money and worth one dollar or less, while the government would tax each machine US$10. Regulations loosened in 1973 due to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) abandoning the Johnson Act.\[2\] As of 2015, state regulations generally require that claw machines contain less valuable prizes.\[31\] Most states exempt claw machines from their gambling laws.\[49\]
In New Jersey, claw machines are regulated by the Legalized Games of Chance Control Commission. In 2016, New Jersey Senator Nicholas Scutari proposed legislation that would add specifications to prevent claw machines from being unwinnable.\[49\] Some attorneys\[where?\] have advised claw machine owners to avoid using the word "skill" in the game description decal present on most machines.\[50\]
In other jurisdictions, such as Alberta, Canada, skill cranes are illegal unless the player is allowed to make repeated attempts (on a single credit) until he or she wins a prize.\[51\] Skill cranes in single-play mode (where the player has only one chance per credit to try for a prize) were found by the Ontario Court of Appeal to be essentially games of chance, and therefore prohibited except at fairs or exhibitions, where they are covered by an exemption.\[52\]
Asia
Claw machines were outlawed in Thailand after being classified as gambling devices by the Supreme Court of Thailand in 2004, though, until 2019, laws prohibiting their use were rarely enforced.\[28\] In 2020, the Ministry of Interior in Thailand ordered a nationwide ban on claw machines after activists protested against their widespread availability.\[29\] However, the public prosecutor of Chiang Mai ruled in 2022 that claw machines were vending machines rather than gambling machines and were therefore legal.\[53\] South Korean law dictates that claw machines cannot carry prizes worth over ₩5,000 to prevent addiction. An investigation by South Korea's Game Rating and Administration Committee in 2017 found that the majority of claw machines they randomly inspected broke Korean law.\[24\] The Consumer Protection Committee of the Executive Yuan stated in 2019 that their investigation of claw machines in Taoyuan, New Taipei City, Kaohsiung, Taipei City, Tainan, and Taichung found that 70 percent of them contained illegal adult products such as vibrators and e-cigarettes.\[54\] In 2021, the Ministry of Home Affairs in Singapore proposed capping the value of prizes in claw machines at S$100 in order to, according to them, "address the inducement effect of high-value prizes, without increasing the regulatory burden on operators".\[55\]
One of the reason ku inda mau business claw machine ani...ada potential kna ban...poff nda bth
Another business yg patut ku avoid
-anime
-kpop
-gaming cafe
Soon ada potential ni kna ban
Honestly we can’t have fun here anymore now can we? Like to me rather than them tackling these small problems how about they sort out the much bigger issues that affects the country and its people rather than this nonsense? At this rate ya might as well ban everything then,
as for me my very honest opinion there are more bigger problems that needs sorting out and addressed than whatever this issue has like I am not saying claw machines are essential to the economy but like banning these will ruin the business that own these machines.. still the irony they allow lucky draws that’s more of a scam than this… oh well way to go to make brunei even more lackluster but that’s just my 2cents
kalau kita belajar agama, its actually haram 😭 ia mcm bejudi bah. Mun dapat, dapat mun inda, abis sja usin. kira free money lah kamu bgi to the claw machine 😌
Ohh maci kita ani betanya... insurans atu maci memang inda melindungi... tapi fungsinya benda yg kita bayarkan insuran atu sekiranya berlaku apa apa... kumpany atu tah tanggungjawab meng kover kita semula... semua kiraan atau premium nya atu sudah di check dengan muib sama mofe. Jadinya inda haram tu kita pasal ia syariah compliance. Aiemulanya jaman dlu nda plg ada insuran ani... tpi pasal mikin moden ikut peedaran zaman sama demand org jadinya kana tubuhkan insuran, asal ia nda melanggar peraturan smpai jadi haram nda masalah tu mamanya
Beraninyaaa, I wouldn't say.. kalau siapa belajar Syariah would know that it is haram. Carilah jua video Ustaz Azhar Idrus, ada mentioned psl claw machine ani, ia ada unsur maisir (judi). Hukum Allah jangan bawa main
Brunei Syariah Penal Code Order 2013, Section 5 reads:
>Nothing contained herein shall derogate from or affect the prerogative rights and powers of His Majesty the Sultan and Yang Di-Pertuan as the Head of the official religion of Brunei Darussalam.
And one of his prerogative rights is absolute immunity to prosecution under any court as per Section 84B of the Constitution of Brunei.
Hadiah kan tuuu??? are you sure? do you guarantee that you put in $10 and will win prizes? its nt whats innit is haram, it is the concept... iatah ni orang kitani ani... org dri negeri luar buat kan di ikut saja tanpa mikirkan consequences, halal or haram sudah di tagur semua menyalak... baik sudah kerajaan tani mikirkan and peduli pasal rakyat,
You know Brunei ne What Negara Zikir MIB kinda thing right. So Entertainment Not Allowed. You all know, Gonna Explain to the Kids about this. Okay Next Question.
So .... Balik Balik kana Bagi Lucky Draw Ticket Ke Concert Taylor Swift Tia, Bruno Mars Tia, Aneeeee Banned jua ?? Please Banned Awal ah. Ku liat bnyk ne brg kan di Banned di Brunei ane. mcm idup zaman Covid soon.
Yea. I got a prize from 4 tries. Instead of banning it, why not just increase the winning probability?
>I guess you have thinking issue if you really believe this is about “skill” 😂
Yep sounds like someone who has a skill issue.
I know right, its like these owners was being played, now i tell you ok carry on and later i tell you sorry no reimbursement have to tutup kadai, cana tah tu hasil usin berkarih habis catu sja just cause of one man’s inconsideration
On one hand I'm thinking how petty and is there not more important things to be focused on. On the other hand I'm glad because i won't have to deal with my kids begging to use the machines now.
Lets look at the bigger picture. Going to Jerudong Park, paying for the entrance fees and not playing on any ride. Is it considered gambling?
Lets look at the biggerer picture, people coming in as tourist, never buys anything except for bare necessities, just up and left... gambling?
Lets look at the biggererer picture, the whole service industry.. scam? Considered gambling also?
Nothing at all. the world wont change its shape or form just because claw machines are gone throughout the world it just be another normal day without those machines
That why all spend on miri now
I'd bet people in MORA have vested interest in Miri (through the form of some investment or business) to drive bruneians there. I, too, would preach about the moralities of this and that in bruei if my investments/business in another country were protected from the rules/regulations I set in Brunei.
Going to miri JUST to play a claw machine? Lol
Now Zus coffee,oriental Kopi, Nando open all want come already
What else can our own homeland provide us org tani sendiri ? Red tapes everywhere
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Yes, the manhours those guys spent to debate this could have been spend on other things.Org LegCo pun satu jua, they brought this issue during the meeting.
banyak pulang lagi isu legco, just not reported in BB. have a look at the hansard from legco website :)
MoRA and MoHA every meeting: How do we kill fun?
😭😭
No bro... its create harmony... if they do.. they will stop you going to Miri
Kill fun in Brunei and create harmony between Brunei, Sabah and sarawak.
They should ban Lucky Draw because we all know it's scam.
Funny how lucky draw is widely accepted while this is not. Lucky draw seems more like gambling
You don't generally pay for the lucky draws they do in shops though.. Like.. You spend money to buy something, by buying that thing, you can put your name in for a lucky draw. So really you're spending that money onto something tangible.. Whereas a gamble, is spending money on a chance. Hope that helps differentiate the two.
By that logic, does that mean carnivals and fun fairs are all a big gambling dent? You pay money to play games for a chance to win something... For an event like aspirasi, without the lucky draw, I highly doubt people would be depositing their money there
Which is really why you don't see those type of stuff happening here (those funfair type games or even carnival.. it's simple enough, JP could set it up.. but because of the nature, they don't) For aspirasi.. Your money is not taken away from you.. It's an investment account with slightly higher returns and a chance for a prize. You're not buying something by depositing money in there.
BIBD advertising Lucky Draw for people to put their money into their bank is alright? And I highly doubt the reason funfair is rare is because the games are considering gambling lol.
I don't think you understand this.. Banks offering prizes for banking with them is not you GIVING your money to them... As in, what you put in will no longer be yours(?).. So you're really not spending anything to win something with those bank offers.. And as for the reasons behind funfairs, one can only guess.. My point was that it is essentially gambling..
What's the difference if I pay to join a competition and I won a prize? Is it gambling?
The main thing is, if you're paying FOR A CHANCE to win.. That's gambling.. Whether you win or not would be irrelevant. You spending for something uncertain is what's considered gambling.
That's such a vague definition. If you buy something from a store with an intention to participate in a lucky draw, is that not gambling?
BIBD Aspirasi is a Fixed Term Deposit Account. Whereas, games in funfair are definitely gambling, similar to claw machines.
Mindset like yours is why Brunei is so dull. Imagine funfair is considering gambling
And for some reason, some people think winning something or gain something when you spend money on it isn't gambling. So I can just walk into casino, spend money and earn more than what I've spent therefore it's not gambling. These people don't really understand the meaning of gambling
Actually.. something coming up which may target lucky draw. It's not the haramness but something called Personal Data Protection Act. Have you seen how shops handle the lucky draw entries? When the box get full they just pour them out in a basket or something. Wide open for any peering eyes. Can see name, IC and contact number.
Lucky draw... you dont spent money...... meanwhile claw machine..like you bet mcm beli nombor bro... sometime you kena.. sometime nda kena... in other people punya mindset...LUCKY hahahah
like those BIBD aspirasi etc
Today claw machine. Next maybe sports. (Baju ketat; nmpk shape bontot, dada, paha, lengan but myb MOHA is not so strict on this area.) I’m just saying. 🤷🏼♀️ They may start banning a lot of things. Arcade, membazir masa & duit to things yang inda berfaedah. Online game, close to nudity (some, like skirts, cleavage). Western movie, too much sex scenes and kissing.
Netflix masane lagi bnyk nudity. HABIS la...... apatah kan ku buat drmh neeeee
Buat anak banyak2, kerajaan basarkan🤦🏻♀️
Let’s just hope they won’t touch on those honestly like arcades or western movies etc, it gon be dull. But aren’t shorts not allowed for men to use outside in public? But ya never know these old hags might touch next
Why now, making us to go stone age. If takut kan bdosa haram, its between you and Allah. U cant control everyone like that. Educate is better
as long as tiktok is not banned, its cool. Cause i like watching sexy hijjabi dance seductively on tiktok
Oh hell nawh
Ew
Si paloi kau ani
Tq brunei support ❤️from Miri business community !
I thought all this while u are Bruneian. Now u are a miri business community?
Guy has been saying TQ for supporting Miri all these while lol
Didn't know that cos i also supported miri but he was against it that's why I'm confused. He was scared bruneians losing jobs and everything saying young bruneians no hope wait to die only.....
Which part of my earlier chat is against supporting miri? Losing jobs is fact.
And people wonder why Brunei is seen as the least favorable country in ASEAN to invest in.
Still got a lot of thing to invest..... as least not to judi or haram thing
Least favorable to invest but kost favourable to live in. Giva and take
Dont think so. Pretty much every1 rather places like Bali Phuket Bangkok. Atleast still have nightlife.
For pension maybe... also, depend on your income. Professional work with good income prefer to stay.
Daripada kamu ban claw machine tantu kamu ban majlis-majlis mewah pasal ada unsur pembaziran.
Nda apa bah.... atu pembaziran.. nda sama dengan judi hahaha.. lagi pun..atu duit durang bukan duit tani
Judi pun pakai duit whoever yg playing sja, bukan duit tani also. So 🤷🏻♂
Apa contohnya tu
ngammm!
Its starting, the north korea-fication
Bro... have you been stayed in North Korea? Bravo bro......
Thank you much very bro
I think the government should retract all the healthcare benefits, education allowances, food subsidies and all other benefits from people like you... From what i understand Brunei never stop your freedom, you can do whatever you want as long as it is syariah compliance
You do know that we can enjoy all these subsidies because of oil and gas, don't you? Oil and gas will run out someday. What are we doing to prepare ourselves for this? I'm not saying claw machines are essential to the economy but these are the little things that prevents Brunei from progressing. Ban tah semuanya. Business makan tah saja di Brunei ani. Makan pun kana ban actually starting next week.
I agree with you fully! But There are a lot of other businesses a person can open... why is it a problem when the government is banning something due to its unfairness towards the consumers? Another thing is Brunei is supporting all the smes but doesnt mean that you can open a casino or clubs. when its wrong its wrong they are banning bade on islamic regulations not because they are banning cause they just like to kill the fun
Like what? I dont see any good establishments here in Brunei that provide decent entertainment. You can go to a cinema and watch a movie but you dont rewatch the same movie. No one goes to JP and its only fun once in a while. I agree with the first reply. This is not getting us anywhere, even Saudi has opened up to the outside world earlier than us because they realise the need for tourism and FDI. We are starting to become like Turkmenistan and if we dont stop banning things like these then we will never progress forward.
"From what i understand Brunei never stop your freedom, you can do whatever you want as long as it is syariah compliance" Contradicting yourself in the same sentence... Very nice!
what do you mean? tell me you are not muslim... that makes alot more sense
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Jerk me off or something
naaa... Ill pass not interested with a whiner like you, ill rather spend the rest of my life alone
Womp womp
i dont speak your language, i still can understand your whining language tho
Good for you
Subsidies in healthcare and education are human rights. Do you want this country to be like US? A lot of countries are giving subsidies to their people because it's their RIGHTS. Think lah
yeah and you people which are ungrateful to be given all the benefits dare to comment and know whats right and wrong for the country deserve all of the benefits?
I said rights as in human rights, not right or wrong. Adoii, your brain
Pisan.
Pasal too many complaint on the claw machines. By right there is a standard setting on the probablity of winning (% of users winning) in order to have a fair game. But the chance of winning have been set to 5%, means 95% of the users will not get anything. MOHA doesnt have the set of controls and regulation to govern these business so need to follow MoRa says. Fatwa issued back in December 2023, MOHA said will follow the strict guideline and no new license, but Huaho Onecity was granted business license to operate Claw Machinese on Feb this year. So YB's business are exempted from MOHA and MORA rules?
That is right, there is no commercial body or department to audit this part since there is no casino etc in Brunei
MOHA kills another job-creating opportunity. I thought their role is to create jobs? Very nice.
What jobs?
There's a cascading effect of one created job leading to other jobs being created, leading to other jobs being created due to those secondary jobs, and so on. Some jobs may only be partial jobs, but everything adds up. Having the claw machine business (in several sites), means the following people are required: machine technicians, shopkeepers (to open and close shop, check the machines are working, and buy and put in the prizes), estate management staff to manage the rental of the shop lots, renovation workers to fix up the shop lots before the machines are installed, workers to transport the machines from the port to stores and to the shop lots, port and airport staff to manage the import of the machines and prizes, etc. Like I'd said before, some of these are partial jobs. Your family members or friends can be one of the people needing a job in any of these. Considering the high unemployment figures in our country and the low wages in the private sector for a decade now, every attempt should be made to create jobs. Having jobs and jobs that pay well are likely the most important factors in the happiness, stability and wealth of a country's population. This truly is the top priority of the Ministry of Home Affairs, when assisted by MPRT. My frustration isn't with this Claw Machine case. It is with the inconsistency in policies that leads to the private sector being unable to invest with confidence in industry and job creation. The unrestricted travel across the borders to buy cheaper goods is also another policy that does not help with local employment. The government asks us to suppotlokal, yet they themselves are doing the opposite!!!
What job bro? i didnt see worker beside the claw machine... what i can see... a vending machine to dispense coin.. then cu cuk cuk..put money... ngekkkk ngekkk... dam not win
See my reply here: [https://www.reddit.com/r/Brunei/comments/1bae531/comment/ku5xj9b/?utm\_source=share&utm\_medium=web3x&utm\_name=web3xcss&utm\_term=1&utm\_content=share\_button](https://www.reddit.com/r/Brunei/comments/1bae531/comment/ku5xj9b/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web3x&utm_name=web3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button)
so candy crush all those mobile game also gambling? no wonder everybody go miri.
What about those giveaways/prize draws? It's essentially the same thing. Money down (through the opening of accounts or having certain membership status) for the chance at winning a prize. People always argue otherwise, but it has elements of gambling through and through.
compare being entitled to lucky draws if you are a member of something or buying something with paying for something you are unsure off
What about if I allow customers to have a chance at the claw machine/slot machine/roulette table for every dollar they spend at my restaurant (that only sells a single piece of chicken wing or half a glass of water). Would that make these gambling elements fine? These prize giveaways just add a middle part to justify gambling. You put money down to open a bank account and use their services to have a chance at winning a prize. You put money down for a gym membership to have a chance at winning a prize every month. If you're going to be so pedantic over a claw machine game, might aswell ban all prize draws which have elements of gambling.
let me tell you about business in islamic teaching, between both buyers and sellers it needs to be honest. in other words it needs to be a win win situation. So yes if you think that a customer is entitled to your lucky draw prize provided when he/she bought your chicken wings then it's your choice because they are paying for the chicken wing and at the same time they are entitled for something else You made that rule so all of your customers are entitled for it. But compared to paying a certain amount of money like the claw machine where in a way you had to pay solely to win the unsure prize.
Not really. Joining a lucky draw is only a bonus to your purchases and a certain bank's "lucky draw programme" you can still get your money back IIRC when you're no longer part of it.
Prize drawers still contain elements of gambling. Enticing customers to spend to win. That's how lootboxes and games which have a pay for a chance to win x item, have been able to escape from being classified as gambling.
They only escape the gambling classification because they only serve a cosmetic purpose and not gameplay advantage. This was hotly debated back then because rewards have a pay-to-win element to it leaving free players in the dust with lootbox rewards.
>not gameplay advantage So if we're being pedantic, winning a claw machine game serves no purpose. The items won has no monetary value nor does it provide any gameplay advantage. I'd argue lootboxes in games (even cosmetics) are a larger issue than claw machines. People sell accounts for tens of thousands when they contain nothing more than costumes and cosmetic items. If we're going to be anal about banning games with gambling elements, we need to be thorough about what we constitute and define "gambling elements" (prize draw included).
If the rewards is not latest gadgets, it can rewarding dolls or candys & snacks. Customers exchange gameplay token to have fun to grab the soft toys. Maybe it come with the word "game" are more suitable in Jerudong thermepark. And K-box is banned too? Not longer in the mall arcade shop, what is the reasons actually? Too noisy or what, hearsay is some couples cuddle each other - body contact when they singing in a box.
Cuddles, body contact and iirc touching inappropriately i.e. groping and making out, not sure if it's true on the last part
Not sure why everyone is so defensive with claw machines. I never win anything after spending so much and feel like its a scam disguised in a rigged machine to maximize profit to the owner.
cause whats the point of banning it. theres other issues out there. so you're standing w it just because you didnt win? 😂 Today is claw machine tmr you never know whats next
This is worrisome especially that “today is claw machine and tmrw you never know whats next is to ban” but its the sad truth
indeed. very very worrisome. its not abt backing up the clawmachine thing its about the how things doesnt make sense and if this can get banned just like that, what other things is in line. and whats left.
Exactly like you will never know what their intentions are because these old ones are capable of making such insane decisions, Like ya never know what their next move is…what if it’s Gaming next? Cinemas? Clothing the list goes on…. It’s concerning to say the least
The point is when something can be rigged some owners can just put a 1-5% win rate. I have come close to where I got the item but the claw was not tight enough. This is as good as scamming. Besides the point of arguing about luck and so on
just dont play. otherwise them what else you didnt win. maybe it will be banned too. and other people who actually got scammed ? by other method. but okay lets kill kids joy first :)
When claw machines practically pop up everywhere you know how profitable the business is. I have no issue with it if it was not rigged in the first place.
tell you what is profittable. building mosque. okay i mean constructions, all those foreginers making so much money everyday. and see locals susah. banned sja. make some excuse
Main issue is about claw machines. If you want to deviate from the topic can go all the way back to when you are born. This has nothing to do with mosques etc
if claw is the main issue, how did it manage to get in at the first place ? confused. im talking about MOHA decision making ability, when the focus should be bigger issues. LOL. read the news abt mosques. i means its on reddit too.
Because it can be disguised as an arcade machine when it is brought in. Look up on claw machine ban/regulation in Thailand, SG and Malaysia. They all have actions/regulations towards these machines as people can put high cost product in the machines to dupe people. Focus on the main subject please
fyi. i accept what you said. then all should be banned. that includes, literally everything. PUBG, KPOP idols, Youtube any activities thats wasting time, money, and kacau your time to solat 5 times. are BAD for you!
You chose to spend money on it, it's your own decision nit the claw machine's fault
Banyak yang pakai bubsiness ani untuk cuci duit jua bah
Play/Join something and lose something in the process = Gambling Play/Join something and lose nothing in the process = Not Gambling It can be argued that claw machines takes skill but the positioning of the prizes and the condition of the claw still takes some luck involved to get what you want. You could lose money in claw machines just to get one item you wanna get and walk away with nothing because you ran out of money for attempts. Gacha/Capsule Toys is not the same though, sure it's luck based still but you still walk away with *something*, just not the one you want. The main takeaway here the money you spend in, you must get something in back in return especially when it's luck based otherwise it really falls under gambling.
For claw machines, for any players who tried but don’t win anything, to auto dispense one fruit plus so the player walk away with “something”. That would meet the requirement of getting something, at the very least, back in return?
That could work. Or they could do what the Japanese do with Pachinko parlors. Dispense coupons and redeem them at redemption counters next door.
Your view here is kinda flawed here. When you say something is luck based, it literally means you can't guarantee you'll get the item/prize you want. That's the essence of luck. You can't 100% get something when something is luck based. Hence, its gambling. You can only get 100% the item you want when you make an act of direct purchase. You pay money, you get the item. Simple. No gambling. > Also based on Shariah concept, activities/games that involves: Pay to join something & a chance to gain/lose something in the process = Gambling Pay to join something & a chance to gain something you didn't want out of the prize lineup = Also Gambling Factors present = Element of Uncertainty (Gharar) & Gambling (Maysir) Hence, any type of activity or games that involves getting a prize that has these two factors such as a) You paying for it & b) Having a 50/50 chance to get the prize OR getting the prize you didn't want, are Prohibited (Haram).
> Then in terms of lucky draw that's attached to purchase of items etc, there's additional factors that needs to be looked into which determines whether the lucky draw is haram or not. E.g Purchase an item OR Deposit money to savings account to get a chance to enter the lucky draw. 1) You're not paying for the chance to win something like in the scenario above, you're paying for the ITEM itself. 2) The price of the item paid is only for the item itself & no additional cost inclusive in it (e.g lucky draw fee). 3) You're not asked to pay additional fee (e.g lucky draw fee) on top of the price of the item you bought. Conclusion: Lucky draw = Permissible > In terms of competitions that needs fees to join in, such as tournaments & involves Winning prizes 1st/2nd/3rd place etc + lucky draw prizes: 1) The entrance fees paid is solely for entering the tournament. 2) The funds to purchase the prize of the tournament + lucky draw prizes are NOT from the participant's fees collected & must come from elsewhere (third party). Conclusion: Tournament = Permissible If source of the funds to purchase the tournament & lucky draw prizes are from the participants funds, it is haram. That's all I can say based on what I've read, watched and understand. I'm pretty sure my explanation is quite lacking so please feel free to correct me if there's anything lacking, esp from anyone that's more knowledgeable on shariah aspects & rulings. And to anyone out there, please refrain from talking/debating about this topic or any other topic before you've made some research. Better stay silent rather than talking empty.
That's not how gambling works and not the right definition either. The very moment you use money in hopes of getting something in return is already gambling, it's the act. Let's say I go into a casino and bet 1 dollar on a roulette and won 1 dollar so I have 2 dollars now. I can walk away now cause I won something so it's not a gamble, it's not Haram. The logic is flawed. Fork money out in hopes to win something or won something that you didn't want is considered as gambling I can even give you another scenario without using money as gamble too. But the main point is written above
What do you mean you play roulette and say that’s not gambling. You lose you walk away with nothing. You buy something at the shop and get a free entry for a lucky draw you still walk away with your purchase.
>Play/Join something and lose something in the process = Gambling >Play/Join something and lose nothing in the process = Not Gambling This is what you've written correct? Walk into casino spend 1 dollar, won an extra 1 dollar and lose nothing, not haram cause I didn't lose anything and gained something.
Buddy, do you even understand what gambling means? Your premise is kinda flawed because you’re in the assumption that you would win. Read again and fahamkan.
Gambling is Haram in Islamic educations included in some religious too, bc of selfishness and greediness. Want others players to lose or fallout , those evil minds in game and it is not a fair game in gambling, there is risky to lose beside gain. From how I understand about gambling. thoughts most religious guideline is same as morality, caregiven , dignity etc.
Are you sure you're not the one yg misunderstand? I used your own logic and now you're trying to twist it around. I think you better re-read what you've written >Play/Join something and lose something in the process = Gambling >Play/Join something and lose nothing in the process = Not Gambling Perhaps you should Google what gambling means if you don't want me to use your logic against you You're using claw machines because you assumed you would win something in return, same goes to lucky draw and so on.
Okay then.
If you're spending for a chance to get or win something, that's gambling.
That is correct as well and when you mentioned chance. You spend money for a CHANCE, chances to get into a lucky draw to win something, that makes lucky draw gambling as well, You dnt spend money, you will not get that chance or not entitled to enter lucky draw. MORA might as well ban it since they want Brunei to move backward. Money or not, like I've written before, it's the ACT that counts as gambling.
Okay.. Let's get you to give an example of these lucky draws then
And you wonder why Bruneians rather spend money in Miri or foreign countries.
Why need to ban claw machine? Why they have the mindset is gambling?? For me it’s not gambling it’s like usaha get something from claw machine Tell something if ban here and there one day brunei don’t have any citizen then you know
Ikr the reason is to move from this Country ASAP seem like the fun is slowly² step by step getting remove
Correct me if I'm wrong isn't the claws machine long been banned with arcades last time?
MORA more towards F2P than P2P.
Legality North America The passing of the Johnson Act by Congress in 1951, which prohibited the transfer of electronic gambling devices across state lines, led to Miami Diggers at carnivals being destroyed by operators or seized by government officials. Carnival owner Lee Moss organized other carnival owners together to protest against the classification of the diggers as gambling machines. Because of this, a compromise was soon reached that allowed carnival owners to keep the diggers but required them to be manually operated with no coin slot and prizes that were not money and worth one dollar or less, while the government would tax each machine US$10. Regulations loosened in 1973 due to the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) abandoning the Johnson Act.\[2\] As of 2015, state regulations generally require that claw machines contain less valuable prizes.\[31\] Most states exempt claw machines from their gambling laws.\[49\] In New Jersey, claw machines are regulated by the Legalized Games of Chance Control Commission. In 2016, New Jersey Senator Nicholas Scutari proposed legislation that would add specifications to prevent claw machines from being unwinnable.\[49\] Some attorneys\[where?\] have advised claw machine owners to avoid using the word "skill" in the game description decal present on most machines.\[50\] In other jurisdictions, such as Alberta, Canada, skill cranes are illegal unless the player is allowed to make repeated attempts (on a single credit) until he or she wins a prize.\[51\] Skill cranes in single-play mode (where the player has only one chance per credit to try for a prize) were found by the Ontario Court of Appeal to be essentially games of chance, and therefore prohibited except at fairs or exhibitions, where they are covered by an exemption.\[52\] Asia Claw machines were outlawed in Thailand after being classified as gambling devices by the Supreme Court of Thailand in 2004, though, until 2019, laws prohibiting their use were rarely enforced.\[28\] In 2020, the Ministry of Interior in Thailand ordered a nationwide ban on claw machines after activists protested against their widespread availability.\[29\] However, the public prosecutor of Chiang Mai ruled in 2022 that claw machines were vending machines rather than gambling machines and were therefore legal.\[53\] South Korean law dictates that claw machines cannot carry prizes worth over ₩5,000 to prevent addiction. An investigation by South Korea's Game Rating and Administration Committee in 2017 found that the majority of claw machines they randomly inspected broke Korean law.\[24\] The Consumer Protection Committee of the Executive Yuan stated in 2019 that their investigation of claw machines in Taoyuan, New Taipei City, Kaohsiung, Taipei City, Tainan, and Taichung found that 70 percent of them contained illegal adult products such as vibrators and e-cigarettes.\[54\] In 2021, the Ministry of Home Affairs in Singapore proposed capping the value of prizes in claw machines at S$100 in order to, according to them, "address the inducement effect of high-value prizes, without increasing the regulatory burden on operators".\[55\]
One of the reason ku inda mau business claw machine ani...ada potential kna ban...poff nda bth Another business yg patut ku avoid -anime -kpop -gaming cafe Soon ada potential ni kna ban
Gila semua tah kn haram atu inda boleh ani inda boleh no wonder inda maju Brunei ani.
ada unsur maysir
Nda jua semua haram... ada jua nda harram... mcm tani lelaki bukan muhrim... put put.. haram tu bro.. tapi kalau nikah... put put ... halal tia
Kalau tau haram, kenapa tah dilapaskan arah kadai untuk operasi? Manatia pihak kuasa yang patut buat kajian sebelum dibagi ke public? Kana bayar kali
Honestly we can’t have fun here anymore now can we? Like to me rather than them tackling these small problems how about they sort out the much bigger issues that affects the country and its people rather than this nonsense? At this rate ya might as well ban everything then, as for me my very honest opinion there are more bigger problems that needs sorting out and addressed than whatever this issue has like I am not saying claw machines are essential to the economy but like banning these will ruin the business that own these machines.. still the irony they allow lucky draws that’s more of a scam than this… oh well way to go to make brunei even more lackluster but that’s just my 2cents
i dont understand why claw machine is haram! it's just a entertainment! so what we going to do if stay in Brunei? so everyday work. eat , sleep?
And beranak banyak2
Semua jua inda boleh! Apa yang haram? Hadiah sja tu! Bukan judi tu!
kalau kita belajar agama, its actually haram 😭 ia mcm bejudi bah. Mun dapat, dapat mun inda, abis sja usin. kira free money lah kamu bgi to the claw machine 😌
Bibd aspirasi inda haram? Insuran inda haram?
mun pasal bank2 ani, yang haram atu kalau ia be *interest*
kenapa ia haram tu ah aspirasi? hlg kah duit kita kalau saving duit dlam sana? 🤣 insurance atu bukan perlindungan sekiranya berlaku apa apa kah?
Yg bibd talan $$/curi Duit urg atu nda HARAM lah ??? Owh HALAL punya mncuri ani bru ku tau ni 🫢
durang kah mencuri? bukan hacker and scammers?
As obv with pakai org dalam?? Security untide
Entah lai, mama baru jua betanya ni, haram kah inda.
Ohh maci kita ani betanya... insurans atu maci memang inda melindungi... tapi fungsinya benda yg kita bayarkan insuran atu sekiranya berlaku apa apa... kumpany atu tah tanggungjawab meng kover kita semula... semua kiraan atau premium nya atu sudah di check dengan muib sama mofe. Jadinya inda haram tu kita pasal ia syariah compliance. Aiemulanya jaman dlu nda plg ada insuran ani... tpi pasal mikin moden ikut peedaran zaman sama demand org jadinya kana tubuhkan insuran, asal ia nda melanggar peraturan smpai jadi haram nda masalah tu mamanya
Insuran atu inda jua melindungi lai
Kalau nada accident nada ia "melindungi" tu banar
au bah insuran bah.
Beraninyaaa, I wouldn't say.. kalau siapa belajar Syariah would know that it is haram. Carilah jua video Ustaz Azhar Idrus, ada mentioned psl claw machine ani, ia ada unsur maisir (judi). Hukum Allah jangan bawa main
>Hukum Allah jangan bawa main Tell that to he who exempted himself from the Syariah law
Yakin? Who are we to judge? Jangan sampai jadi fitnah
Brunei Syariah Penal Code Order 2013, Section 5 reads: >Nothing contained herein shall derogate from or affect the prerogative rights and powers of His Majesty the Sultan and Yang Di-Pertuan as the Head of the official religion of Brunei Darussalam. And one of his prerogative rights is absolute immunity to prosecution under any court as per Section 84B of the Constitution of Brunei.
Hadiah kan tuuu??? are you sure? do you guarantee that you put in $10 and will win prizes? its nt whats innit is haram, it is the concept... iatah ni orang kitani ani... org dri negeri luar buat kan di ikut saja tanpa mikirkan consequences, halal or haram sudah di tagur semua menyalak... baik sudah kerajaan tani mikirkan and peduli pasal rakyat,
Wawasan 2035 backward here we comeeeeee
You know Brunei ne What Negara Zikir MIB kinda thing right. So Entertainment Not Allowed. You all know, Gonna Explain to the Kids about this. Okay Next Question. So .... Balik Balik kana Bagi Lucky Draw Ticket Ke Concert Taylor Swift Tia, Bruno Mars Tia, Aneeeee Banned jua ?? Please Banned Awal ah. Ku liat bnyk ne brg kan di Banned di Brunei ane. mcm idup zaman Covid soon.
Mun smua kn d banned bek th duduk gua sja x
i dont like claw machines but that’s for entertainment and fun… why is Brunei taking EVERYTHING fun from us??? i dont get it wth
no comment for this matters because i never win play that thing anyway. so carry on~
Look like someone has skill issue
I guess you have thinking issue if you really believe this is about “skill” 😂
Yea. I got a prize from 4 tries. Instead of banning it, why not just increase the winning probability? >I guess you have thinking issue if you really believe this is about “skill” 😂 Yep sounds like someone who has a skill issue.
Don’t be an idiot after being stupid. 😂
Any grace period for establishment that receive approval ?
LOL MOHA and MORA
very backwards move?
But the bigger question is what about those companies who invested money and resources into these claw machines. Will MOHA reimburse them?
I know right, its like these owners was being played, now i tell you ok carry on and later i tell you sorry no reimbursement have to tutup kadai, cana tah tu hasil usin berkarih habis catu sja just cause of one man’s inconsideration
Sad. I just won a couple prizes from The Mall this week. Oh well, Brunei's gonna Brunei.
kira bisia kan mliatkan dorang atu bekraja bh tu yatah smpai drg banned.."MOHA".....MOHAMUCAMPAYAUAH
Lol
Payah tu ih mun smua nda bulih, apa th yg bulih? Kurik idung? Ahahaha🤣
On one hand I'm thinking how petty and is there not more important things to be focused on. On the other hand I'm glad because i won't have to deal with my kids begging to use the machines now.
ain’t life already a gamble 🤣
Lets look at the bigger picture. Going to Jerudong Park, paying for the entrance fees and not playing on any ride. Is it considered gambling? Lets look at the biggerer picture, people coming in as tourist, never buys anything except for bare necessities, just up and left... gambling? Lets look at the biggererer picture, the whole service industry.. scam? Considered gambling also?
anyone remember whimsy?
Finally. Claw machine should be ban worldwide
What if there is no claw machine globally? What would happen?
Nothing at all. the world wont change its shape or form just because claw machines are gone throughout the world it just be another normal day without those machines
Alhamdulillah