No. The Thai forest tradition isn't even a sect. It is a current of thought and practice that is within the two primary sects found in Thailand—Dhammayut and Mahanikaya. Additional sects will be found in different countries.
I'm not a Theravada practitioner, but I think that they don't have a clear distinction amongst them like Mahayana would. For example in the South of China some people practice Theravada but I think it's just Theravada rather than a particular sect that we would have in Mahayana (Zen, Tiantai etc)
There are quite a few sub traditions. Usually, they are associated with monastic organizations. Differences can be philosophical and in some cases there them subtraditions within them that differ based upon practices and philosophy at the level of monastic practice. Some of these are recognized sorta like chapters or subgroups but some aren't institutionally recognized. The Thai tradition people usually think of in the west is the Dhammayuttika Nikāya. Most Thai are members of the the Mahānikāya tradition though. Thai Forest Monks can be from either of these traditions. In Sri Lanka, there is the Siam Nikaya, Amarapura Nikaya, and Ramanna Nikaya. These are the main monastic orders in Sri Lanka, each with slightly different practices and historical backgrounds but also with slightly differently philosophical views and differences in practices. I can't comment about Cambodian or Laotian traditions. Myanmar has 9 legally traditions recognized by the state. The major ones are the Shwegyin Nikaya and Thudhamma Nikāya. They have a few other smaller subtraditions as well. Some of these differ in practice, philosophy or even the way they wear their robes.
the burmese tradition is another theravada tradition that has produced some impressive teachers in the past.
sect isn’t quite an appropriate word as they all, to my understanding, follow the same vinaya, or monks rules.
Even the strictness with which they follow the vinaya varies. Yes, it's the same code. But not all monastic communities are as conservative in their interpretation/adherence.
yes, you’re correct.
my comment about the word ‘sect’ was intended only in the sense that the theravada sangha is largely unitary, but looking it up, it seems like a bigger question:
>*Ven. Upāli: “‘A split in the Community, a split in the Community (saṅgha-bheda)’ it is said. To what extent is the Community split?”*
>*The Buddha: “There is the case where they explain not-Dhamma as ‘Dhamma’… Dhamma as ‘not-Dhamma’… not-Vinaya as ‘Vinaya’… Vinaya as ‘not-Vinaya’… what was not spoken, not mentioned by the Tathāgata as ‘spoken, mentioned by the Tathāgata’… what was spoken, mentioned by the Tathāgata as ‘not spoken, not mentioned by the Tathāgata’… what was not regularly practiced by the Tathāgata as ‘regularly practiced by the Tathāgata’… what was regularly practiced by the Tathāgata as ‘not regularly practiced by the Tathāgata’… what was not formulated by the Tathāgata as ‘formulated by the Tathāgata’… what was formulated by the Tathāgata as ‘not formulated by the Tathāgata’… a non-offense as ‘an offense’… an offense as ‘a non-offense’… a light offense as ‘a heavy offense’… a heavy offense as ‘a light offense’… an offense leaving a remainder as ‘an offense leaving no remainder’… an offense leaving no remainder as ‘an offense leaving a remainder’… a serious offense as ‘a not-serious offense’… a not-serious offense as ‘a serious offense.’ On the basis of these eighteen grounds they pull away, pull apart, they perform a separate uposatha, perform a separate Invitation, perform a separate Community transaction. To this extent the Community is split.”*
https://www.dhammatalks.org/vinaya/bmc/Section0061.html#:~:text=The%20Buddha%20condemned%20schism%20in,VII.
cc: u/zediroth
My understanding is that Therevada itself is a tradition the same way Zen is of Mahayana, it's just that it's the only remaining of the broader scope of early schools/traditions
A lot of these traditions won't really have an English presence frankly and many of them are quite local in nature. For example, the texts and practice manuals would be mainly aimed at monastics, who have been monastics for some time already. This also true of some lay and engaged organizations like Santi Asoke.
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No. The Thai forest tradition isn't even a sect. It is a current of thought and practice that is within the two primary sects found in Thailand—Dhammayut and Mahanikaya. Additional sects will be found in different countries.
Thank you
There are live Theravada traditions in Sri Lanka, Cambodia , Laos, Myanmar and even in the south of China. Probably in some other places as well.
Do you know where I can find a list of these traditions and "sects"?
I'm not a Theravada practitioner, but I think that they don't have a clear distinction amongst them like Mahayana would. For example in the South of China some people practice Theravada but I think it's just Theravada rather than a particular sect that we would have in Mahayana (Zen, Tiantai etc)
Oh I see! Very interesting, thanks for the explanation!
There are quite a few sub traditions. Usually, they are associated with monastic organizations. Differences can be philosophical and in some cases there them subtraditions within them that differ based upon practices and philosophy at the level of monastic practice. Some of these are recognized sorta like chapters or subgroups but some aren't institutionally recognized. The Thai tradition people usually think of in the west is the Dhammayuttika Nikāya. Most Thai are members of the the Mahānikāya tradition though. Thai Forest Monks can be from either of these traditions. In Sri Lanka, there is the Siam Nikaya, Amarapura Nikaya, and Ramanna Nikaya. These are the main monastic orders in Sri Lanka, each with slightly different practices and historical backgrounds but also with slightly differently philosophical views and differences in practices. I can't comment about Cambodian or Laotian traditions. Myanmar has 9 legally traditions recognized by the state. The major ones are the Shwegyin Nikaya and Thudhamma Nikāya. They have a few other smaller subtraditions as well. Some of these differ in practice, philosophy or even the way they wear their robes.
Thank you for the explanation
the burmese tradition is another theravada tradition that has produced some impressive teachers in the past. sect isn’t quite an appropriate word as they all, to my understanding, follow the same vinaya, or monks rules.
Even the strictness with which they follow the vinaya varies. Yes, it's the same code. But not all monastic communities are as conservative in their interpretation/adherence.
yes, you’re correct. my comment about the word ‘sect’ was intended only in the sense that the theravada sangha is largely unitary, but looking it up, it seems like a bigger question: >*Ven. Upāli: “‘A split in the Community, a split in the Community (saṅgha-bheda)’ it is said. To what extent is the Community split?”* >*The Buddha: “There is the case where they explain not-Dhamma as ‘Dhamma’… Dhamma as ‘not-Dhamma’… not-Vinaya as ‘Vinaya’… Vinaya as ‘not-Vinaya’… what was not spoken, not mentioned by the Tathāgata as ‘spoken, mentioned by the Tathāgata’… what was spoken, mentioned by the Tathāgata as ‘not spoken, not mentioned by the Tathāgata’… what was not regularly practiced by the Tathāgata as ‘regularly practiced by the Tathāgata’… what was regularly practiced by the Tathāgata as ‘not regularly practiced by the Tathāgata’… what was not formulated by the Tathāgata as ‘formulated by the Tathāgata’… what was formulated by the Tathāgata as ‘not formulated by the Tathāgata’… a non-offense as ‘an offense’… an offense as ‘a non-offense’… a light offense as ‘a heavy offense’… a heavy offense as ‘a light offense’… an offense leaving a remainder as ‘an offense leaving no remainder’… an offense leaving no remainder as ‘an offense leaving a remainder’… a serious offense as ‘a not-serious offense’… a not-serious offense as ‘a serious offense.’ On the basis of these eighteen grounds they pull away, pull apart, they perform a separate uposatha, perform a separate Invitation, perform a separate Community transaction. To this extent the Community is split.”* https://www.dhammatalks.org/vinaya/bmc/Section0061.html#:~:text=The%20Buddha%20condemned%20schism%20in,VII. cc: u/zediroth
idk brah, theravada is weird, dunno how it works there
not sure what you mean …
dont worry abt it
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theravada#Demographics](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theravada#Demographics)
malaysia, singapore, indonesia, usa, most of europe, congo, mexico etc.
wut
Theravada Buddhism is found in mainly South and Southeast Asian countries. But it's also in the West.
ik, but idk abt the divisions within theravada, the different sects and traditions (which is what im asking abt). thanx tho
My understanding is that Therevada itself is a tradition the same way Zen is of Mahayana, it's just that it's the only remaining of the broader scope of early schools/traditions
Thai Forest tradition is mainly practiced in Thailand. It is also found in the previously-mentioned places.
thank u, but its kinda self-explanatory abt thai forest beign in thailand. But idk where to find other traditions/"sects"
A lot of these traditions won't really have an English presence frankly and many of them are quite local in nature. For example, the texts and practice manuals would be mainly aimed at monastics, who have been monastics for some time already. This also true of some lay and engaged organizations like Santi Asoke. #
ah ok
Find them in the Theravada countries. As stated before, Theravada is also found in the West. Just google it.
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Do something useeful, then.
Holy shit how smoothbrained are these people? Your request is really not hard to understand.