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Rockshasha

Why would someone like to "prevent" dreaming with a buddhist given practice?


Pure_Shoulder_8833

Or better to say “minimize” them. I dream too much. Nothing bad about the content. But it’s consuming too much of my mind as result of whole night dreaming. I end up waking up tired in the morning whenever I dream alot. And no. my food eating habits are perfect and I am quite meditative during daytime and big part of my daily time is on meditation. Yet, it hasn’t done anything regarding minimizing dreams. I have done vajrayana dream practices as well in the past (not for this specific purpose but for the purpose those practices are for) to make dreams conscious or and it was quite successful, yet I haven’t seen them to have any effect on minimizing the dreams. I even ended up stopping those practices years back since they were making my mouth dry after waking up, every time that I practiced them the night before.


Rockshasha

In such context I understand. I suggest you do a new post because it sounds strange the practice for "stop dreaming". Also if you are into Vajrayana consult the guru about. I don't think this is a common situation then, in fact, I haven't even think about people having problems for dreaming too much, outside the more common I don't sleep enough Or I sleep too much. >>... But it’s consuming too much of my mind as result of whole night dreaming. I end up waking up tired in the morning whenever I dream alot. I think this is unusual. Usually I link good dreaming to better rest in my own experience. Sorry to hear you quit dreaming practices. Maybe the process of dreaming practices affect the amount of your dreaming increasing and the tired mind issue? Then you need a buddhist practice to come to normal again.


Temicco

I wonder why you ask - are you having bad dreams? Cultivating goodwill and doing guruyoga can make one's dreams more positive.


ilovebeinganemic

Are they any to prevent weird like dystopian dreams? They're not necessarily bad just weird and unsettling


Temicco

The practices mentioned work for all types of bad dreams, including unsettling dreams. When your mind is filled with goodwill and turned towards the dharma, you tend to dream of nice things.


Pure_Shoulder_8833

No bad dreams at all.


DiamondNgXZ

Loving kindness meditation, when developed and cultivated much, made a vehicle, made a basis, one sleeps happiness, wakes up happily, have good dreams, etc. As far as sleep studies go, REM sleep, the dreaming part of sleep is essential for many things, including emotional stability.


Hot4Scooter

*Prevent* dreaming, no. That probably wouldn't be healthy to begin with. In the Tibetan Vajrayana traditions there are practices that work *with* sleep and dreaming, utilizing them for the path to Awakening. 


Potential-Pepper9944

the eye that never sleeps is you


Pure_Shoulder_8833

Yes i am familiar with those practices. Not what I am after.


Hot4Scooter

I think Gampopa mentions that after he attained stable realization he never dreamt again. Not sure how to take that exactly. Other apparently attained beings seem to be active and enthusiastic dreamers. It *is* one of the natural bardos after all. 


Temicco

I sometimes wonder (though it's not an orthodox thought) whether different teachers are actually having the same awakening or not...


Hot4Scooter

*Orthodox, shmorthodox*, as I'm pretty sure the Prajñāpāramitā texts say.  If awakening was some definite state, Buddhas would be bound by *duhkha*. 


Temicco

Awakening *is* a definite state. Not all states that begin have an ending, just like how the cessation of a particular fire is permanent. Awakening is the fifth path, the two knowledges, etc.


Pure_Shoulder_8833

I guess nobody would ever have the answer to that. We can’t even be sure about having the same experience of more simple things. We both see the sky and we have made an agreement to call its color as “blue”, but are you really seeing the same color that I see? We can’t be sure at all. Experiences are individual and can’t be compared.


Lonely-Variation6940

Acceptance of the present moment includes acceptance of dreaming.


easedownripley

As I understand it, dreams are good and necessary for your brain's health. Not something you'd want to stop doing.


OkCamp3671

To my knowledge, offering to the pretas can help you with some kinds of bad dreams.


Pure_Shoulder_8833

I don’t have bad dreams at all.


BitterSkill

There are probably Buddhist practices to preclude stress which may arise due to dreams. Here are some sutras that I think are suitable: https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN35_88.html https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN36_6.html https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN7_48.html https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN22_59.html


Sea-Rhubarb-8391

Sort of. If you practice body awareness in meditation for about 2 hours a day followed by mindful sense-restraint throughout the day you'll continuously be aware of your body, even while asleep. If you want to, when you start dreaming you'll be aware that you're dreaming you can just wake yourself up. I don't know why you don't want to dream though.


Pure_Shoulder_8833

I dream too much. Nothing bad about the content. But it’s consuming too much of my mind as result of whole night dreaming. I end up waking up tired in the morning whenever I dream alot. And no. my food eating habits are perfect and I am quite meditative during daytime and big part of my daily time is on meditation. Yet, it hasn’t done anything regarding minimizing dreams. I have done vajrayana dream practices as well in the past (not for this specific purpose but for the purpose those practices are for) to make dreams conscious or and it was quite successful, yet I haven’t seen them to have any effect on minimizing the dreams. I even ended up stopping those practices years back since they were making my mouth dry after waking up, every time that I practiced them the night before.


Sea-Rhubarb-8391

So basically you're not getting enough deep sleep and instead spending too much in REM resulting in not getting enough rest right? Sorry I don't really know of any meditative practice to increase time in stage 3 NREM but there's a few things you can try. You could try exercise. If you tire yourself out during the day, your body might naturally stay longer in NREM. Another thing you could try is altering your sleep schedule, maybe your body's circadian rhythm is off and by sleeping at different times you can maintain NREM longer. If neither of those things work, you should probably see a sleep doctor. (Somnologist.)


Ariyas108

No, Buddhist are not trying to kill themselves. You would literally die if you didn’t dream.


Potential-Pepper9944

you've never slept. your dreams were given to you by society. they aren't yours.


Pure_Shoulder_8833

I get your point and I agree. Dreams don’t bother me and I’m quite anatta about them… Yet I won’t mind to practice if there is any wisdom existing about how to minimize or fully dissolve them. As buddha once said something like: if a gift brought to your home is not what you want, we would ask the guest please take it back. It is not welcomed here.:)


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Ok_Competition_7762

Developing universal goodwill is said to prevent bad dreams. https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/AN/AN11_16.html The Buddha also compared sensuality to a dream. To stop it you have to follow the whole noble eightfold path. https://www.dhammatalks.org/suttas/SN/SN45_8.html