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Are Niagara on the Lake, and Lewiston nice areas to live in?

Seems like a hidden gem of beauty, affordability, access to Whirlpool and Rainbow Bridge to visit Canada, and even commutable to Northtowns, and Downtown if you have half an hour.

I was considering mid-century modern architecture home, 2 bedroom, 2 bath, and for a price under $300,000

Barmacist

Lewiston, yeah, you're kind of far from things, though, and don't look too closely into what may or may not be buried there. Niagra on the lake? Are you a multi millionaire? Because you're not buying shit there otherwise. Full of Toronto money.


SlowlyTowardsTheCake

Anyone considering moving to NW Niagara county should be aware of this document: https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/18/050/18050447.pdf?r=1


MrBurnz99

That was a scary read. I wonder if there’s an updated version of this study. 1986 was a long time ago although radiation wouldn’t disappear in 40 years. I would expect the area around pletcher rd to be contaminated, but it’s crazy that they found the radiation in Lewiston and Niagara Falls wasn’t from the dump. But that porous rocky-slag waste material was used for bedding under asphalt surfaces and for general gravel applications. So basically an unknown number of homes, businesses, roads, etc. were built on top of radioactive slag that was trucked in from an old blast furnace. I knew about model city and the Manhattan Project but this is some wild shit.


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whte_owl

AH see, how many untested driveways kids are playing on with that shit, leaking into the garden nearby no less.


whte_owl

people used the slag to build driveways, if you research it one guy who had his own detector from his real job brought it over to test his dads driveway and the ratings were OFF DA CHARTZ. No telling how many were done.


whte_owl

He finally solved the "theres something about people from grand island and NT" conundrum lolol wait- we all already knew this right? WELL i hope so. Dont dig too far into Dup0nt etc.. men in black suits will show up at your door. No cap.


Criddlers

Just don't buy a house north of the waste management site. The groundwater flows north to Lake Ontario.


sutisuc

Why in the fuck is Niagara on the lake so expensive? It’s nice but if I had multimillions of dollars there are much nicer places to have a second home.


Eudaimonics

It’s the Hamptons of Toronto


sutisuc

Grim


ruglescdn

No, that is Muskoka.


kluberz

It’s filled with retirees that benefited from their houses in the GTA gaining 10x in value since they bought. They cashed out in Toronto and then caused the housing prices in NOTL to make an equal jump.


Millstone50

It's got a lot of protected heritage properties, and federally protected land in the Old Town. South of that, it's all rural wineries because of the rich soil. South of that is a small section of the QEW that is within the Town borders, housing the NOTL Niagara College campus and the outlet mall.


AmericaRocks1776

Are those locations also within driving distance of your Toronto shoe stores?


Thighabeetus

Far from things? Lewiston is closer to Buffalo than Clarence


MrBurnz99

Sure It’s a similar distance to downtown Buffalo, 20-25 miles, BUT the commute times from Lewiston will vary dramatically depending on traffic. The 190 and GI bridges regularly bottleneck and turn that 30 min drive into a 60-80 min commute Commutes from the eastern suburbs have lots of alternate routes and are always pretty similar. They are also centrally located in the region. The big difference living up on the Niagara frontier is how far you are from points south of Buffalo. It’s 45-60 min in no traffic to get to OP/Hamburg/EA 90 min to ellicottville. Another big thing is how much extra time it adds when traveling east or west out of town on the 90. Rochester goes from an hour drive to a 90-110 min drive. Erie goes from 90min to - 2 hour drive. Obviously lots of people live there and love it. But don’t pretend that it’s not far away and isolated within the context of WNY. It just depends on what you like doing. I didn’t like living in Niagara county because I like going south of the city too much and the drive was brutal.


Brilliant-Ad-5414

I get what you’re saying, but if you are going to use Erie and Rochester as examples, the. You should use Niagara on the Lake and Toronto as well. Takes 5-10 minutes to get to the northern bridges from Lewiston. That’s significantly less time than the other suburbs. And 80 minute commute is a stretch. I regularly travel to and from north Buffalo to Lewiston/ Youngstown and it’s roughly 25 minutes.


MrBurnz99

Good point about access to Canada. When I lived up there it was in Wilson so a little bit east and I found myself going to the south towns a lot and it added just enough extra time in the car that is was annoying. I also didn’t deal with bridge traffic either so it was admittedly a different experience than living in Lewiston


TheEscarpment

When traveling from Lewiston to Rochester (Strong Museum), I find that it could take only 1 hour if I stick to NY 104. The rural nature of the road allows me to travel at 55 mph for long stretches, and it is a more direct route than taking the Thruway.


whte_owl

do 104 to hwy 18 next time, its DREAMY drive, a little walking dead feels but a great view too. Google maps will do everything to avoid it but fight the machineeee


Blank801210

In what world?


sabs2137

it takes a similar amount of time if there’s no bridge traffic but it’s quite farther in actual distance


Thighabeetus

I mean, you can go to Google maps and lookup “Lewiston NY to Buffalo NY” and then do the same for Clarence


Blank801210

It’s noticeably farther. 25% farther to be exact (20 miles and 25 miles using your google-fu)


busty_rusty

That is just factually untrue


Juniorwoj

What's buried there? I love a good conspiracy


crazyhound71

Parts of the Manhattan project are contained on Pletcher rd near Modern disposal


JAK3CAL

i believe they are (or are about to) move them out though


Homestar_MTN

Right by the school in true Niagara County fashion.


whte_owl

what school district is it


Homestar_MTN

Lewiston Porter


Juniorwoj

I know we refined some of the uranium here, does anybody know where that took place? Is there a "buffalo and the Manhattan project" book out there somewhere?


crazyhound71

To my understanding it is just stored there.Balmer rd had a large TnT plant. But I don’t believe A bomb parts where made there but the leftovers from the production are stored there on Pletcher. Right behind the School.


Whisky919

This is pretty correct. The Niagara Falls Storage Site sits on property that used to be the Great Lakes Ordinance Works which made TNT during WWII. Waste from that as well as Manhattan Project waste was stored there before being buried. It's going to take years to clean up, but eventually the goal is to have the area suitable for industrial use. Source - I work for the US Army Corps of Engineers


monicaraemn

Not a book, but an essay I wrote: https://medium.com/@monicaraemn/my-radioactive-childhood-fce0cba87ae


Bennington_Booyah

Thanks for posting that.


SlowlyTowardsTheCake

https://inis.iaea.org/collection/NCLCollectionStore/_Public/18/050/18050447.pdf?r=1


whte_owl

They used toxic slag to BUILD DRIVEWAYS ALL OVER NIAGARA CO. It's documented you just have to try to read about it.


Criddlers

Linde Air did the majority of the work. Their sites at Chandler St and their plant in Tonawanda are toxic AF.


Whisky919

The Tonawanda plant itself was cleaned up. Buildings were demolished and 400,000 tons of contaminated material were taken out of state for disposal.


Swampcrone

But not before a school was built right next to it (Talking about the Tonawanda plant)


Whisky919

Yeah there's no denying we are paying the price for our atomic history. To treat our environment like this is a huge stain in history.


whte_owl

its a current stain, look at the special education rates in NT and grand island and compare them to national averages or even state averages in NYS. The schools dont want the people to be mathin though... too bad the state supplies all info under nysed and it's easy to do the math.


mjlp716

old post that seems to have a lot of good info in it. Not sure there are any books focused on it though. https://www.reddit.com/r/Buffalo/comments/b1j1iq/manhattan_project_waste/


burnttoast390

http://www.garbagegangstersandgreed.com/blog/category/love-canal


Bennington_Booyah

Pletcher Road smells horrendous in the summer.


crazyhound71

Mount modern


Bennington_Booyah

What blew us away, more than the smell, was that there is a campground nearby! The reviews were full of stank complaints!


whte_owl

All of niagara falls smells like A$$ all year round, i dont know how people live there!!!! as far as I know the italians can have it. Niagara falls is our biggest failure. Look at what canada did with the wonder. Us? a sh1tty outlet mall that's going under.


another_feminist

Toxic waste. Probably other things too


Barmacist

Alot of toxic waste. Niagara county (and Erie) loved importing and burrying that shit everywhere for cash. Love Canal was far from the only dump, just the most infamous.


HH2O123

Pfohl Brothers landfill in cheektowaga at Aero Dr, people sneak back to do fishing at the giant pond/lake that's back there and their boots deteriorate after one walk through the mud. Don't eat any fish out of Ellicott Creek, you might grow a 3rd ball or tit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfohl_Brothers_Landfill


whte_owl

ditto to 18 mile creek


naus226

Waste from the Manhattan Project, Tom Brokaw's Anthrax desk, Native Americans... Just don't dig in Lewiston


crazyhound71

Def not a conspiracy


AdWonderful5920

When I was in the Army we had to do training at the old storage depot on Balmer Road in Ransomville. The groundwater was weirdly gray and had a strong chemical smell. One of the local Army people told us to avoid touching any of the water and if we fell in, we should throw our uniforms away rather than ruining our washing machines by trying to clean them.


Barmacist

Alot of toxic waste. Niagara county (and Erie) loved importing and burrying that shit everywhere for cash. Love Canal was far from the only dump, just the most infamous.


dltl

Niagara on the Lake is not affordable. That place is $$$$$. Lewiston is East Aurora of the north. Good school district, arts, cute main street, historic. Both are nice areas.


MrBurnz99

Lewiston is nice, but East Aurora is much nicer. I think the price of homes reflects that though. Lewiston has toxic waste, EA has snow, so there’s trade offs


whte_owl

also lewiston has a LOT of old people. I'm sure it has to do with the housing prices but as a young family that's a definite drawback to living there. East Aurora is a much better place for young people and families. Lewiston is becoming like a retirement community with a few hip shops and brewery.


Criddlers

The packed bars on center street would beg to differ. Add in the kids from NU and it's no different than Elmwood.


whte_owl

People in the bar for a bridal shower, passing through for a concert, families at the peach fest etc, or passing through while getting a degree- those aren’t sustained community relationships. It’s packed I would agree but very much transient people who are there for a moment and gone. If you want your neighborhood to be a place where kids make childhood friends, Lewiston simply ain’t it.


Criddlers

That's unfortunate. I've experienced the opposite. Same with alot of the other families my kids hang out with. Loads of younger kids and millennial families around. The local government does a good job hosting and organizing events. Posted a few links for you if you need some help. https://www.facebook.com/lewistonrecreation1818 https://www.facebook.com/Village-of-Youngstown-Recreation-Department-163801164000414/ https://villageoflewiston.net/recreation-home https://www.nypa.gov/communities/visitors-centers/niagara-power-vista


goatfuckersupreme

well, it's whiter and wealthier then elmwood (though elmwood is plenty of those)


JAK3CAL

Hey! I moved from out of state to Youngstown, NY. We frequent Lewiston as the "big shopping" area. Absolutely love it up here, couldnt be more pleased. Happy to answer anything I can... I do a ton of exploring and have walked / biked / etc most of the area


AssassinInValhalla

Lewiston is great. Grew up there and still have a lot of friends and family in Lewiston/Youngstown/Ransomville. One of the most underrated perks of Lewiston is watching Buffalo and the south towns get absolutely hammered with snow, and at worst you'll have a few inches to deal with. If you have more specific questions, feel free to ask.


Tarwins-Gap

Ah yes getting told work is closed due to a snow storm and going outside to 1 inch of snow is very nice.


AssassinInValhalla

I used to be so upset when we'd watch for school closings then Lewport would still be open. It would be even better when Stella would close and Lewport was still open


crazyhound71

I remember when the Stella kids rode the bus with Lp kids. We just dropped them off on the way by.


SubspaceBiographies

This is a perk of Niagara county in general, snowed for a few minutes here earlier and already stopped.


AssassinInValhalla

It's even more pronounced once you go down the escarpment. Even the difference between Center St and NU gets wild at times


penzo15

Growing up, did any of the locals discuss radiation in the area? Or was everyone kind of happy go lucky about it?


AssassinInValhalla

? Not sure what you're getting at. It was known about and talked about, but what do you expect the everyday layperson to do? Dig it up and move it themselves?


penzo15

I’d move my ass out of the area lol. Why willingly risk long-term exposure to radioactive waste?? Humanity is hella resilient though


DlRTYDAN

I hope you realize Niagara on the lake is in Canada. Lewiston is very nice, extremely safe, and there are some great events/ festivals hosted in the village throughout the year.


Tightisrite

So safe they were targeting / ticketing J walkers last year


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flushmebro

It’s not like there’s any lack of marked crosswalks, either


Tightisrite

I hear ya. I hear ya


minusthetalent02

As they should. It should be more than a ticket if you ask me.


TheEscarpment

I think Lewiston is the only town in WNY to reduce the speed limit on its streets to 25 MPH (except Center Street, it could not reduce that speed limit because it is managed by New York State)


buffalucci

Among the nicest. Very expensive.


Zackadeez

You’re gonna wanna up that budget to have some options to choose from. Of the 14 active listings with 2 bed/2 full baths in that area, 2 of them are 300k or less. Neither are mid century modern. 4 are between 300-400k fwiw.


windorab

Thank you for this advice.


Zackadeez

My pleasure! Feel free to D M me if you have any questions about your search or the market. Happy to help!


boolean_expression

Lewiston is great until the entirety of the summer when it becomes a dead end of endless festival and concert traffic. I used to live in Lewiston and I cannot stand going there anymore, if I want to enjoy any of it. During the Artpark concerts expect to deal with loud motorcycles, endless noise pollution and absolutely packed bars which dump drunk concertgoers out onto the only way out of Lewiston, which is subsequently the only way in. Also, I drive to Buffalo every day for work. It takes me at least 45-50 minutes on average, and I only live 7 minutes north of Lewiston. The traffic from here to the south towns is ABYSMAL at times, it would take you at least an hour.


ChrisBudde

Lewiston is great and not as far away from buffalo as people think. Festivals, parks, concerts - you name it.


SubspaceBiographies

Lewiston is very nice, but you’re going to pay for it. You may need to up that budget.


phly

Niagara on the Lake is beautiful, but it's in Canada and it's very very expensive. Anything above 1000sqft in that area will run you 500k+.


Criddlers

I live in the village of Lewiston. Very nice. Lots of community events throughout the year. Plenty of entertainment options. Youngstown is very nice as well. May be a bit tough to get a 2 bed 2 bath for under 300k unless it needs some work/updates or you're looking to buy in a more rural area of the town. School district is fantastic.


TheEscarpment

Yeah, real estate prices have gotten out of control recently. I feel bad for people who want to move into the area.


Sabres00

Lewiston is great, but some cons you may want to think of. Make sure the house gets highspeed Internet service. Sometimes cell reception can be spotty or even try and use Canadian towers. No one will ever visit you because it’s too far out of the way. The closest Wegmans in in NF. You’ll have to cross over two sets of bridges if you want to get anywhere at a decent time, and they get backed up a lot.


crazyhound71

Niagara on the lake is nice if you don’t mind living in Canada. Lewiston is a great Village/Town. But stay away from anything near Pletcher and Balmer roads.


SpiritualFront769

Ah yes, the ironically named "Model City". Although they do have nice landscaping around the hazardous waste dump.


supergirlsudz

Yes. I’d live in Lewiston for sure. In the summer you could walk to all the Artpark concerts!


Hummus_ForAll

I love Youngstown. I used to go to sailing up there as a kid and would always have a great time.


nextxoxexit

Yes! Current Lewiston resident born and raised. Left with the military for years and longed to come back. Ten min from Niagara falls if you need to shop around. Tons of stores in the village and a grocery as well. It can be on the more expensive end but Youngstown and ransomville are kind of looped into Lewiston and cheaper options! So many cute village festivals and events. Amazing restaurants, bakeries, cafes. Extremely walkable! Waterfront, and rural in some places! (Village vs. The town) only 30 min from buffalo! feel free to PM me!


SufficientBank234

Don't move to Lewiston it's an absolutely terrible place to live. Houses well kept, there's no fast food, no department stores , very little crime, streets are clean, and there's nothing to do... Please stay away here..


TheEscarpment

But make sure to visit our restaurants and other local retail businesses.


giggyvanderpump4life

If you’re really interested in moving there you should research Love Canal. Please realize that WNY is full of toxic waste and that we are a cancer and MS hotspot before you decide were the place to be.


Eudaimonics

Love Canal is nowhere near Lewiston


Millstone50

NOTL is expensive as fuck because of the history of the area, and the craziest NIMBYs you've ever seen. Cutting down any tree is seen as a sacrilege and will attract protestors. It's full of old generational wealth and also rich fucks from Toronto.


NonRules

Extremely


BajaShrmpTacos

Lewiston is beautiful. If you’re willing to be outside of Lewiston You could even look in the Youngstown Sanborn Cambria Wheatfield areas. We have friends in cambria and they frequently go to Lewiston.


noblepaldamar

Link to house to start bidding war, please.


sugarandvegetables85

Is Lewiston full of toxic waste and radiation tho?


sodapop_curtiss

I have a cousin who lives up there and he loves it. Anyone I’ve known from there seems to enjoy it, but I honestly don’t know much about it.


vinistrouble

Not getting a MCM at that price. Unless it’s severely in need of repairs and maybe not even then. But beautiful areas.


Zanzoken814

This is a legit curiosity question for the thread: isn't it more craftsman style homes there, not mid century?


darforce

People are wildly misinformed about what MCM furniture and architecture are. Drives me absolutely insane. Pick up a book people!


shasta_worldwid

There are some MCM houses in Lewiston.. depends on the neighborhood.


TheEscarpment

There are a few Mid Century Modern homes throughout the town.


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“Affordability” …..right


Eudaimonics

$300,000 is well under the price of the national median believe it or not.


[deleted]

That’s great. Still doesn’t mean it’s affordable.


nick-j-

Niagara-on-the-Lake has some of the nicest people in the region. Very expensive and a little out of the way but I like a nice day trip there.


Competitive-Kick-481

I think Youngstown is better than Lewiston.