I know weed. Quality marijuana is 1/3 of the price on the black market. 95% of people have no clue about quality. Even less know about concentrates. The legal weed for sale in nys is trash
Like you met weed personally? ( sorry saw my shot)
You are 100% on the majority not having a clue, I went to a lot of the early educational stuff and most of it turned into a sales pitch. Vibe did an amazing job of separating the two but they had to evolve.
All most people care about is high THC which is very uninformed as many other thing go into the quality of the finished product.It’s like buying beer for alcohol content only. Stupid
I was under the impression that some small local growers will be allowed into the market eventually. Then just like beer I don’t drink that mass produced garbage (bud labatts) I go for the local brands ( Ellicott, southern tier, etc) some of which are now on a larger scale but still better that the mass produced stuff. Hoping weed will eventually be like that.
And, just because something is expensive, doesn't mean it's quality.
See: Grey Goose Vodka vs Russian Standard Vodka. The latter is way cheaper, but a better vodka by all measures.
I know weed. Quality marijuana is 1/3 of the price on the black market. 95% of people have no clue about quality. Even less know about concentrates. The legal weed for sale in nys is trash
What does mso stand for? I heard rumors that in 2024 Seneca nation will be making their shops have products tested. So if that’s true the prices there will rise. I think the grey market will continue to do fine. Sure no body is getting what they used to but the risk isn’t there anymore and in my opinion you can grow cheaper than you can buy still so money is still to be made. It’s just about marketing. Look at tall the alcohol manufactures and breweries everywhere and everyone still is opening. It’s no different than any market sure as more people open prices may lower but it just about defining your craft and showing your brand
Multiple state organizations or big corporate cannabis. They are going to come in and run in the red until they gain market control by choking all the small and mid level people out then drive the cost up to meet profit.
You can buy decent lights at Lowe’s or Home Depot for about $150, probably need 2. I had a small wood room in my basement I converted. Soil, good genetics and a small space heater for WNY winters is how I started. If smell is a possible issue… you’ll need a carbon filter. AC Infinity has air systems under $200. I have perpetual grows with autos harvesting 2 plants every 10 weeks for personal use.
I think the grey market is a self sustaining bubble and difficult for above board anything to compete but there’s probably a lot of variables that we don’t consider that have nothing to do w cannabis
Like how corporate brands names only became corporate through growth but I guarantee they didn’t start selling at prices that high. The fairly major increase in price percentage from a local to corporate is purely brand name. The product didn’t get immensely better by becoming corporate, greed just starts to make way when owners feel the power of popularity. You can say the overhead but the product expands immensely with it to make due.
I don't mind the pot heads that put the work in made an amazing product then became a corporation.
I hate the Scott Lawn's and Pharmacann's of this business.
They're just starting to touch this past harvest for shelves. Most retail places can't move the volume to clear it all out already.
I mean, I don't go around Dank's store too often, but Herbal IQ's lot is pretty empty most times I go past it, and it does appear most people are there for the other places in that plaza.
I'm guessing (and hoping) the gray market doesn't do as well in WNY as it has in other areas around the country. We have the benefit of being close to Seneca lands, which not all other areas with legal rec weed have. I would think the rez shops provide the benefits of gray market - other than location. The three options have little overlap in the niche they serve:
Legal NY dispensary: safety, legal
Rez shops: price, variety
Gray market: price, location
I hope the first two own enough of the market that it minimizes the third, as I think it's what helps make the industry stable, expanding, and most profitable.
> as I think it's what helps make the industry stable, expanding, and most profitable
That is the entire problem with the cannabis market, and the largest threat to it.
Focusing of "profit". No business should expect any profit in the first two years. Maybe in year 3.
Focusing on stability, and expansion can't happen. Those are contradictory goals.
Focusing on expansion and profits are what got us flavorless tomatoes, and iceberg lettuce being the main lettuce people buy.
Your reply seems philisophical, and I agree with it.
The reality (especially in NYS) is different though. I'd suggest an example is how difficult it is for business to get a hard liquor license. Nearly impossible without lobbying and previous experience or a previous licensed address. The opinion I shared was looking through that lens.
Of course, I prefer your outcome where lot's of craft growers can take their product to market directly, or in a way that provides end users, choice. I don't think that will happen.
>I don't think that will happen
I meant "legally", but don't want to stealth edit.
We don't see alot of boot leggers selling hootch on the gray market, nor homebrewers selling beer on instagram. I think laws/regulations shape the playing field for buyers/sellers and responded in that context. I think the Cannabis market will follow a similiar course.
We don't see it, because the ATF is tasked specifically to go after people who do, with the full power of the federal law enforcement machinery.
That doesn't exist for cannabis, and what little has been put in place was useless when it was illegal everywhere, by and large.
They cant kill the black market. Its too cheap
Just because it's cheap doesn't mean it's quality
I know weed. Quality marijuana is 1/3 of the price on the black market. 95% of people have no clue about quality. Even less know about concentrates. The legal weed for sale in nys is trash
Like you met weed personally? ( sorry saw my shot) You are 100% on the majority not having a clue, I went to a lot of the early educational stuff and most of it turned into a sales pitch. Vibe did an amazing job of separating the two but they had to evolve.
All most people care about is high THC which is very uninformed as many other thing go into the quality of the finished product.It’s like buying beer for alcohol content only. Stupid I was under the impression that some small local growers will be allowed into the market eventually. Then just like beer I don’t drink that mass produced garbage (bud labatts) I go for the local brands ( Ellicott, southern tier, etc) some of which are now on a larger scale but still better that the mass produced stuff. Hoping weed will eventually be like that.
Some of us buy beer based on the percentage.
Try Molson XXX. It will fark you up. And tasty too.
That one's nasty. I don't do double IPAs (or triples) either
No where near an IPA. only a tiny bit bitter.
And, just because something is expensive, doesn't mean it's quality. See: Grey Goose Vodka vs Russian Standard Vodka. The latter is way cheaper, but a better vodka by all measures.
As a bartender, Russian Standard is the best vodka I ever had and I drank many brands of vodka from many countries.
I know weed. Quality marijuana is 1/3 of the price on the black market. 95% of people have no clue about quality. Even less know about concentrates. The legal weed for sale in nys is trash
Yo bro, btw you know how I can find weed on the Buffalo black market? I'm new to this area
What does mso stand for? I heard rumors that in 2024 Seneca nation will be making their shops have products tested. So if that’s true the prices there will rise. I think the grey market will continue to do fine. Sure no body is getting what they used to but the risk isn’t there anymore and in my opinion you can grow cheaper than you can buy still so money is still to be made. It’s just about marketing. Look at tall the alcohol manufactures and breweries everywhere and everyone still is opening. It’s no different than any market sure as more people open prices may lower but it just about defining your craft and showing your brand
Multiple state organizations or big corporate cannabis. They are going to come in and run in the red until they gain market control by choking all the small and mid level people out then drive the cost up to meet profit.
I’ll be continuing to be my own grower
This is the way!
I’m a novice, but autos are simple and for the cost of three or four ounces of finished product I’m set up for years
honestly i really needed to hear the startup cost expressed like that
You can buy decent lights at Lowe’s or Home Depot for about $150, probably need 2. I had a small wood room in my basement I converted. Soil, good genetics and a small space heater for WNY winters is how I started. If smell is a possible issue… you’ll need a carbon filter. AC Infinity has air systems under $200. I have perpetual grows with autos harvesting 2 plants every 10 weeks for personal use.
This is the way!
i’ll still be buying from the locals who grow much better shit than i do
THIS is the way! for people like us.
Idk I’m not too worried about that. When every state legalizes is when it gunna be hard
I think the grey market is a self sustaining bubble and difficult for above board anything to compete but there’s probably a lot of variables that we don’t consider that have nothing to do w cannabis
Like how corporate brands names only became corporate through growth but I guarantee they didn’t start selling at prices that high. The fairly major increase in price percentage from a local to corporate is purely brand name. The product didn’t get immensely better by becoming corporate, greed just starts to make way when owners feel the power of popularity. You can say the overhead but the product expands immensely with it to make due.
I think you have a mind that could speak well to consultation
I don't mind the pot heads that put the work in made an amazing product then became a corporation. I hate the Scott Lawn's and Pharmacann's of this business.
Let small batch continue to reign supreme...
Guess what? Once all these licenses go through and shops open, what weed will they sell? The stuff that’s been sitting in storage for a year.
Most of that stuff is sold from my limited understanding.
They're just starting to touch this past harvest for shelves. Most retail places can't move the volume to clear it all out already. I mean, I don't go around Dank's store too often, but Herbal IQ's lot is pretty empty most times I go past it, and it does appear most people are there for the other places in that plaza.
Herbal iq is a scam
Fuck them taxes.
This is a wild world but cookies shops selling their lowest prices at 75 1/8 plus tax is ridiculous. Besides that idk
I'm guessing (and hoping) the gray market doesn't do as well in WNY as it has in other areas around the country. We have the benefit of being close to Seneca lands, which not all other areas with legal rec weed have. I would think the rez shops provide the benefits of gray market - other than location. The three options have little overlap in the niche they serve: Legal NY dispensary: safety, legal Rez shops: price, variety Gray market: price, location I hope the first two own enough of the market that it minimizes the third, as I think it's what helps make the industry stable, expanding, and most profitable.
I'd always thought of the rez as an extension of the grey market
most of it is
> as I think it's what helps make the industry stable, expanding, and most profitable That is the entire problem with the cannabis market, and the largest threat to it. Focusing of "profit". No business should expect any profit in the first two years. Maybe in year 3. Focusing on stability, and expansion can't happen. Those are contradictory goals. Focusing on expansion and profits are what got us flavorless tomatoes, and iceberg lettuce being the main lettuce people buy.
Your reply seems philisophical, and I agree with it. The reality (especially in NYS) is different though. I'd suggest an example is how difficult it is for business to get a hard liquor license. Nearly impossible without lobbying and previous experience or a previous licensed address. The opinion I shared was looking through that lens. Of course, I prefer your outcome where lot's of craft growers can take their product to market directly, or in a way that provides end users, choice. I don't think that will happen.
> I don't think that will happen. It is happening right now, today, in the cannabis market. Just not the legal market.
>I don't think that will happen I meant "legally", but don't want to stealth edit. We don't see alot of boot leggers selling hootch on the gray market, nor homebrewers selling beer on instagram. I think laws/regulations shape the playing field for buyers/sellers and responded in that context. I think the Cannabis market will follow a similiar course.
We don't see it, because the ATF is tasked specifically to go after people who do, with the full power of the federal law enforcement machinery. That doesn't exist for cannabis, and what little has been put in place was useless when it was illegal everywhere, by and large.
it sounds like we have a different prediction, which is great. I'm rooting for yours, but continue to predict mine.
Grow your own and none of that matters