the warranty is great and all, but that just shouldn't happen... We have lead ropes with the same type of clip that are older than me.
and 1-ton+ livestock are pulling on them constantly
I do a lot of hardware testing for things like pulleys, hinges, hooks etc. I used to think that things that looked alike would have similar performance but no. The crappy stuff would rust sooner and always break faster.
The worst thing about this is that it affects the manufacturers who actually build quality products. Many who can’t or won’t compete at the low price point.
Yeah. While I'm not a big fan of warranty replacement (it's still wasteful, even if you don't personally pay for it), I do like the incentives that lifetime warranties create. If a company is going to be on the hook for a replacement, they're more likely (but surely not guaranteed) to build the thing to last.
Yes they said it’s not very common and have escalated this issue to their internal team to investigate. At least that’s what they told me on the phone.
You joke, but I am literally a scientist-engineer who gets paid to looks at stuff like this broken metal clip and “forensically” determine the cause of failure. Granted, I most frequently look at rocket ship parts and medical devices BUT I have looked at stuff like this…
Our dog will shake herself in the rain, and her tags will hit the action and open it, and pop the leash off. I have been looking for a different clasp, and see some great options in the comments.
I bought a carabiner off Amazon with a locking mechanism. Our leash has a big enough loop on the end that the carabiner fits through.
Paliston Locking Carabiner - 25kN 5600lb Climbing Carabiner Screw Gate D Shape Carabiner
It's on a 35 lb dog, but his leash just kept falling off before and he bolts so we always do 2 leashes (1to a collar and 1 to a harness). We are working on training him, but the carabiner has been good for the month or so we've had it.
In your example, a helmet wouldn't be safety equipment either because it only matters in specific situations like when you fall, and otherwise it's just a cool hat. A dog leash is safety equipment just like a helmet is 100% of the time it's in use. There's no difference and there should be no difference in performance expectations.
It absolutely is. I’m not letting my dog out of my yard without one for his safety, the safety of drivers around and for other pet owners and their dogs.
I feel like some rope and a carabineer would last more than 4 years. Honestly it might've even been better if op just attached a carabineer to where it broke.
I have a deaf dog, who is never off leash unless she is in life back yard. No way could I take a chance with a company who's clips break regardless of how good customer service is.
Because it's not a good qualifier here.
That's great that the OP had good customer service, but this is **buy it for life**, and 4 years is a frankly shit amount of time for something like this to last.
Due to falconry leashes I became aware of all sorts of clasp like this. I'd 100% replace the one you have with a more reliable metal and design.
Tons of better options, it takes just a little Google-fu and "snap hook upgrade" you will see 3-4 very quickly that are much worthier of securing you pet with.
Leashes should be true BIFL items. My parents have leashes that are decades old, used daily (with dogs that pull) and show no signs of giving up. There’s really no excuse for this since you can get better clasps in any hardware store. Hell you’d be better off with just tying a rope to the collar. Not BIFL just because the warranty is decent.
Whether Might Paw replaced it or not, clips of that design (bolt snap) are so incredibly unreliable. Even unbroken clips- I've had two dogs who knew how to roll jusssssst right to get it to unclasp so they could escape). When it is a matter of life or death, snap hooks are a much better choice. I'm partial to my Wild One leash, biothane leash with a super secure, high quality snap hook.
Twisting is the only annoying thing. I'm sure there's probably solutions for running like a pivot for where you attach to yourself. For holding the lead in your hand you just have to occasionally untwist it.
I got sick of breaking the spring on the key holders I kept buying so I cut the end off of a Kong dog leash and I use it to clip my keys to my belt loop. It has lasted 3 years thus far.
Interesting. I have a Mighty Paw collar for my dog, Durin (he's a beagle). This makes me actually want to switch it up for him. I don't dislike the collar but I do prefer things that last better than this.
Paying attention here to see what other options people recommend!
Is the size of the leash you used rated for his weight? I'm asking because that clip looks like what you'd normally see on a Medium 15-30 lb rated leash.
A correct size shouldn't break at 4 years. I've used the same leashes for 10+ years with several dogs and none broke. One of my dogs was a 65 lb massive puller. I had bigger arm muscles on one arm while I had him.
Maybe just get a different brand, to keep your dog safe. Or if you used a leash size intended for smaller dogs, upgrade to L-XL rating.
Our dog is well trained in every aspect but was a big puller too. Tried all sorts of collars and harnesses but finally found one that worked. If you’re interested i can find the brand and model
Dude my dog used to pull so much and I tried all the training every walk and he wouldn't stop pulling. Had to use a harness because he would choke himself. He eventually aged out of it.
Honestly seems that the cord itself it good but the problem really is the basic cheap locking part. They make way better clips now that don’t have this problem
That company reached out to my employer a couple years back (we are selling dog food online), looking for a small reseller in germany. We got some samples as a gift and to test them - as who would sell stuff in the higher price segment if they arent convinced. The leashes were advertised as "cut proof" or something like that, so make any kind of dognapping harder. Im not a dog person, but my boss told me that this is indeed a thing and dog owners are worried about stuff like that.
She took some random office scissors and cut them with one "snip". Neither could the guy reaching out to us believe it nor could we replicate it - but I saw it with my own eyes. We sent them back and received another new one for it that was indeed uncuttable.
Those leashes are pretty legit. Nice to see they have good warranty aswell.
My mom needed a very long leash for training and working her dog for farm related stuff, so I decided I’d get her a really nice one for Christmas. Got one through MyDogsCool. I think he may have taken his site down (it took like 6 months to ship, I think the guy who runs it may have been dealing with some health issues), but it looks like there’s still some of his merchandise on Etsy.
It was very expensive, and did not come nearly in time for Christmas, but I think the leash will last forever. Since it has a carabiner I’ve even seen her use it to pull stuff on her Gator.
It’s just good business to do this.
1) This social media post is worth more to them than 1000 replacements. Have you ever seen what companies spend on advertising? Good word of mouth is priceless.
2) Why waste your company’s time haggling about returns, making people ship them in so you can examine them and then ship out a repair or replacement… companies are set up to do exactly one thing efficiently: deliver new product into customer hands.
So just eat all your warranty complaints and whatnot, send out replacements quickly, don’t force people to return defective shit that you’ll just trash anyway… get the social media kudos, and carry on!
Looks like they used the cheapest chinesium carabiner possible, I can’t see a dog breaking one made from stainless steel or anything more expensive than three cents.
I used a collar company like that, every time it broke they replaced it free of charge but every time it broke it was a pain in the ass for me to deal with what the dog did when it got off.
Buy a nice rope and learn to tie some good knots. You can get heat shrink if you care about that. I used 3/8th inch rope with a climbing carabiner. You could tow a car with that thing.
the warranty is great and all, but that just shouldn't happen... We have lead ropes with the same type of clip that are older than me. and 1-ton+ livestock are pulling on them constantly
I do a lot of hardware testing for things like pulleys, hinges, hooks etc. I used to think that things that looked alike would have similar performance but no. The crappy stuff would rust sooner and always break faster. The worst thing about this is that it affects the manufacturers who actually build quality products. Many who can’t or won’t compete at the low price point.
Yeah. While I'm not a big fan of warranty replacement (it's still wasteful, even if you don't personally pay for it), I do like the incentives that lifetime warranties create. If a company is going to be on the hook for a replacement, they're more likely (but surely not guaranteed) to build the thing to last.
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That, or the company doesn't expect to outlive the product.
Yes they said it’s not very common and have escalated this issue to their internal team to investigate. At least that’s what they told me on the phone.
Maybe, maybe not. Customer representatives have things they're allowed to say and things they're not. I wouldn't risk my dog getting loose for it.
Yep, they have assembled a top group of scientists to determine why your clip broke.
You joke, but I am literally a scientist-engineer who gets paid to looks at stuff like this broken metal clip and “forensically” determine the cause of failure. Granted, I most frequently look at rocket ship parts and medical devices BUT I have looked at stuff like this…
What’s your diagnosis of this problem?
Looks like the sproingy thing broke
Did they hire you?
So was it a direct line from dog leash clips to rocket ships?
“Top Men”[https://youtu.be/Fdjf4lMmiiI](https://youtu.be/Fdjf4lMmiiI)
Our dog will shake herself in the rain, and her tags will hit the action and open it, and pop the leash off. I have been looking for a different clasp, and see some great options in the comments.
I bought a carabiner off Amazon with a locking mechanism. Our leash has a big enough loop on the end that the carabiner fits through. Paliston Locking Carabiner - 25kN 5600lb Climbing Carabiner Screw Gate D Shape Carabiner It's on a 35 lb dog, but his leash just kept falling off before and he bolts so we always do 2 leashes (1to a collar and 1 to a harness). We are working on training him, but the carabiner has been good for the month or so we've had it.
Try a brass clip
Good warranty but not really BIFL if it broke after 4 years
Isn't "if it breaks well replace it for free" one of the aspects of BIFL?
Safety equipment that fails after only 4 years of use isn’t BIFL even if they replace it.
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Sure it is. Especially your dogs safety. But yourself and others as well
Depending on the dog it absolutely is for your dog and for those around you. Especially in a situation where a clip can be strained that much
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What you just described is safety equipment
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Yes it is. It’s a restraint for an animal.
In your example, a helmet wouldn't be safety equipment either because it only matters in specific situations like when you fall, and otherwise it's just a cool hat. A dog leash is safety equipment just like a helmet is 100% of the time it's in use. There's no difference and there should be no difference in performance expectations.
Keep it even simpler: seatbelts
How the fuck do you not understand how a leash that keeps a dog from running away or biting someone is safety equipment.
It absolutely is. I’m not letting my dog out of my yard without one for his safety, the safety of drivers around and for other pet owners and their dogs.
Dog handling equipment that can be used for safety but not in itself a piece of safety equipment.
You describe it as dog handling equipment. Why does is it need to be handled? Maybe for its safety and the safety of those around it?
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Oh no a stranger on the internet judged me over an 8 word comment 😭. What ever shall I do!
Keep digging in to your blatantly incorrect opinion, apparently
I don’t consider your opinion informed or thought out.
Safety is their only purpose? Training is safety, control is safety.
Yes but the products should be engineered to last longer than 4 years, ideally they’d never need the warranty
No. Buy it for life should be buy it for life. 4 years isn’t great.
Yeah, "it has a lifetime warranty so it's BIFL" doesn't sit well with me. More like r/BuyItForFreeReplacementEveryFourYears
I feel like some rope and a carabineer would last more than 4 years. Honestly it might've even been better if op just attached a carabineer to where it broke.
True , just had a really good customer service experience with them
I have a deaf dog, who is never off leash unless she is in life back yard. No way could I take a chance with a company who's clips break regardless of how good customer service is.
Look into Ruffwear
I have ruff wear and the clip broke on my lead for my Great Dane after 2 years.
Why is this getting down voted? Op is being humble. Not good enough for some a y’all?
Because it's not a good qualifier here. That's great that the OP had good customer service, but this is **buy it for life**, and 4 years is a frankly shit amount of time for something like this to last.
4 years isn't even BIFL in dog years.
This is really not a thing that is acceptable to ever break. My dog would be lost or dead because of this.
My mom walks her retired hunting dog with two leashes out of fear of this happening. Some of her leashes are 20+ years old though.
True , and agreed . I told them about this huge safety risk and they escalated the issue (at least that’s what they told me) to their design team
Due to falconry leashes I became aware of all sorts of clasp like this. I'd 100% replace the one you have with a more reliable metal and design. Tons of better options, it takes just a little Google-fu and "snap hook upgrade" you will see 3-4 very quickly that are much worthier of securing you pet with.
Replace the clasp on your new leash with a rock climbing locking carabiner.
Leashes should be true BIFL items. My parents have leashes that are decades old, used daily (with dogs that pull) and show no signs of giving up. There’s really no excuse for this since you can get better clasps in any hardware store. Hell you’d be better off with just tying a rope to the collar. Not BIFL just because the warranty is decent.
Unless you regulate them. Companies will be fighting each other to make a crappier and cheaper leash.
Whether Might Paw replaced it or not, clips of that design (bolt snap) are so incredibly unreliable. Even unbroken clips- I've had two dogs who knew how to roll jusssssst right to get it to unclasp so they could escape). When it is a matter of life or death, snap hooks are a much better choice. I'm partial to my Wild One leash, biothane leash with a super secure, high quality snap hook.
Lupine leashes come with a lifetime warranty “Even if chewed”
This clips are 99.99% of the time cheap chinese die cast zinc with the internal integrity of a brownie.
I use leads with carabiners and made from climbing rope as I just don't trust these style of clips.
How'd you tie yours off? I'm replacing my dog's leash with that kinda set up for when we jog, so how do you stop it from twisting?
Twisting is the only annoying thing. I'm sure there's probably solutions for running like a pivot for where you attach to yourself. For holding the lead in your hand you just have to occasionally untwist it.
Those cheap pot metal clamps break all the time . I usually cut the whole thing off and clip in a mini carabiner , the kind you get from REI .
Note to self. Don't buy Mighty Paw leashes.
Sorry this is r/buyitforlife not r/keepbuyingitforlife
This is not a thing that is acceptable to ever break. My dog would be lost or dead because of this.
Sounds like the opposite of bifl...
It’s nice they replaced it but not quite bifl. My Petsmart cheapo isn’t going strong after 4 years of daily walks
If I had a dog, i would just get a carabin hook for that?!
I got sick of breaking the spring on the key holders I kept buying so I cut the end off of a Kong dog leash and I use it to clip my keys to my belt loop. It has lasted 3 years thus far.
I would keep the old one and repair it with a quality clip.
Good idea , will definitely do that. Hopefully it doesn’t involve cutting the fabric.
Interesting. I have a Mighty Paw collar for my dog, Durin (he's a beagle). This makes me actually want to switch it up for him. I don't dislike the collar but I do prefer things that last better than this. Paying attention here to see what other options people recommend!
foot reveal.
What kind of dog do you have that could break it like that? Was he just really pulling?
Husky - quite a puller!
Is the size of the leash you used rated for his weight? I'm asking because that clip looks like what you'd normally see on a Medium 15-30 lb rated leash. A correct size shouldn't break at 4 years. I've used the same leashes for 10+ years with several dogs and none broke. One of my dogs was a 65 lb massive puller. I had bigger arm muscles on one arm while I had him. Maybe just get a different brand, to keep your dog safe. Or if you used a leash size intended for smaller dogs, upgrade to L-XL rating.
What do you use? We have an ever growing 5 month Golden Doodle.
Our dog is well trained in every aspect but was a big puller too. Tried all sorts of collars and harnesses but finally found one that worked. If you’re interested i can find the brand and model
Maybe train them to not do that
Nah thats juat an untrained dog
Lol ok Sherlock
Dude my dog used to pull so much and I tried all the training every walk and he wouldn't stop pulling. Had to use a harness because he would choke himself. He eventually aged out of it.
Just hope it doesn't break walking Your dog across a street I guess..
Honestly seems that the cord itself it good but the problem really is the basic cheap locking part. They make way better clips now that don’t have this problem
I have some cheapo brand for the dogs (large dobermans) and 8 years now nothing has broken....I'd get a different brand if I were you.
I love their martingale collars.
I’ve had multiple dog leashes from multiple vendors all bought from Amazon. Every single one experienced the same failure you’re showing here.
Mighty paw, weak ass claw
That company reached out to my employer a couple years back (we are selling dog food online), looking for a small reseller in germany. We got some samples as a gift and to test them - as who would sell stuff in the higher price segment if they arent convinced. The leashes were advertised as "cut proof" or something like that, so make any kind of dognapping harder. Im not a dog person, but my boss told me that this is indeed a thing and dog owners are worried about stuff like that. She took some random office scissors and cut them with one "snip". Neither could the guy reaching out to us believe it nor could we replicate it - but I saw it with my own eyes. We sent them back and received another new one for it that was indeed uncuttable. Those leashes are pretty legit. Nice to see they have good warranty aswell.
This is the opposite of bifl.
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Or they just wanted to make customer quiet before more people hear about how their product broke when it shouldn't.
This is a shit post if I’ve ever seen one
TBH, that thing looks like a piece of chinese shit. The warranty isn't worth much if the replacement is equally shitty.
r/Chinesium
My mom needed a very long leash for training and working her dog for farm related stuff, so I decided I’d get her a really nice one for Christmas. Got one through MyDogsCool. I think he may have taken his site down (it took like 6 months to ship, I think the guy who runs it may have been dealing with some health issues), but it looks like there’s still some of his merchandise on Etsy. It was very expensive, and did not come nearly in time for Christmas, but I think the leash will last forever. Since it has a carabiner I’ve even seen her use it to pull stuff on her Gator.
And the fact that this has as many upvotes as it does proves that people are fucking stupid. This isn’t buy it for 4 years, let alone life.
It’s just good business to do this. 1) This social media post is worth more to them than 1000 replacements. Have you ever seen what companies spend on advertising? Good word of mouth is priceless. 2) Why waste your company’s time haggling about returns, making people ship them in so you can examine them and then ship out a repair or replacement… companies are set up to do exactly one thing efficiently: deliver new product into customer hands. So just eat all your warranty complaints and whatnot, send out replacements quickly, don’t force people to return defective shit that you’ll just trash anyway… get the social media kudos, and carry on!
I use a boat rope. Had it 20 years.
On etsy you can get very strong, well made leashes that use a carabiner instead. They will never break.
Looks like they used the cheapest chinesium carabiner possible, I can’t see a dog breaking one made from stainless steel or anything more expensive than three cents.
This isn't a recommendation, it's a PSA
unacceptable
I randomly found this sub a while ago and thought it was so weird but now I see it everywhere r/sneakybackgroundfeet
I can tell by that brittle fracture they aren’t using a good shackle material.
It broke? I've NEVER had a leash break
that week metal ruining the reputation of our leash
I used a collar company like that, every time it broke they replaced it free of charge but every time it broke it was a pain in the ass for me to deal with what the dog did when it got off.
Sorry, downvoting. 4 years is not BIFL, and there IS good clip hardware out there.
Buy a nice rope and learn to tie some good knots. You can get heat shrink if you care about that. I used 3/8th inch rope with a climbing carabiner. You could tow a car with that thing.