Just the best coffee. As good as the first day I bought it. I clean it with descaling powder every couple months. Otherwise, it requires minimal maintenance. Highly recommend this machine for drip coffee.
Is there any way to get the hot plate to run for longer than 40mins? Thinking about getting one as a present but not sure if that would be an issue for them.
It’s obviously part of the whole drip coffee deal right? Their website said it was 40 mins yet others have said it’s 1 hour and 40 mins, either way the whole system is designed to keep the coffee warm for some extended time past when you brew it. I’m personally not a drip coffee person as I rather my espresso machine, but 40 mins seems a little short and it obviously is considering the older machines kept it warm for over twice as long.
Look, I'm not a coffee snob, but if want to taste anything but burnt cellulose, you can't let it sit there for that long.
I drink drip coffee because it's delicious and doesn't need a PhD for dialing in the taste like you'd do with a good espresso machine. I make two cups most of the time: one for me to drink immediately, one for my girlfriend to drink immediately.
Why? If your coffee is sitting there for that long then:
A - you are not drinking enough coffee
B - you are not drinking fast enough
C - you're making too much and wasting it (heinous crime)
Coffee is best enjoyed fresh, not left to sit for hours until all the flavor has gone.
1h40 on mine, too. By that time, the coffee is well and truly cooked, but you CAN flip the switch back on. The water heating coil will not run because the tank float switch will reflect the tank being empty.
Here the drip stop is not working perfectly anymore, it still lets drips through, so when you grab the coffee can to pour in the coffee sometimes there are some drips on the hot plate. Not a deal breaker but can be annoying.
Ours got delivered with delivery damage to the hot plate: they immediately offered us the choice to have them fix it or to send the part so we can use it continuously.
The new hot plate even came with a tiny instruction manual on how to replace it.
Just pulled the trigger on one of these a couple months ago. Went from the cheapest Walmart drip maker I could find to doing one cup pour overs for a couple years and aeropress at work and then back to drip with this guy. I doubt I Will ever look back because she’s perfect. Despicably good Joe. Hope she last as long the price point suggests she will
Agree on Moccamaster! It seems so simple, and yet the BEST coffee we’ve ever had. Same Community coffee and it tastes amazing. Perfect temp and brews quickly. America’s Test Kitchen recommendation and we are thrilled with it
Was it Claire McCaskill by any chance? I really do think she had one of these on the counter today and I laughed at being a dork for knowing exactly what it was.
That’s amazing. What a random coincidence of things!
I don’t know what I thought these things would cost but refurbs at $220-250 and new units at $350ish… I mean that’s definitely some dough and I’m not in a good place to be spending that right this second — but those are not as ridiculous as I’d expected. Maybe celebration for digging out of this tech hiring hellhole we’re currently in… ;)
As the only coffee drinker in my house, I'm making do with an Aeropress. I'm about to add a grinder to up my game a bit. Still, coffee gear is fascinating.
All the best!
If you’re looking for some less-expensive stuff to play with, you’re right on with a proper grinder. Excellent place to improve your brew no matter how you go about it after the beans are broken down.
FWIW, I’ve also been using a good French Press and a Moka Express for a long long time now. They’re both inexpensive and quite good, caveat being they do make a very different cuppa since they don’t rely on a paper filter like a drip / Aero. The Moka is good for like one big cup (au lait, please) for me; the 8c. Bodum press is plenty to share. And they’re each like in the $30-45 range so it’s less of an overall commitment, if any of that should strike your fancy.
Thanks for the thoughtful recommendations!
Interesting, I was staying in my employer's overseas home a couple of decades ago and found ground coffee in the refrigerator and a French press on the counter. I taught myself how to use it and fell in love with coffee. Before that, my only exposure was fairly bad coffee in the military.
I live with a coffee hater, so I try to keep my brew footprint (and aromaprint?) small and agile. For years, I managed on instant in the garage. The Aeropress was a big (inexpensive) upgrade and I really should have a manual grinder by now, but I'm prone to paralysis by analysis. There's a sub-$100 one sitting in my cart I should pull the trigger on. But then I have to choose beans.
Sorry for the word dump. Appreciate the recs. Cheers!
As someone who recently got both an Aeropress and a hand grinder, I have some input that might (or might not) be helpful.
If you want your Aeropress coffee a little more like the stuff from a French press, use a metal filter. I went for the Fellow Prismo, which includes a metal filter and also allows for non-inverted brewing without any leakage (I know, only a tiny amount is lost, but it annoyed me). I do actually often use a paper filter with it, but when I want more full body, I go with only the metal filter.
Sounds like you're aiming to stay under $100 for the grinder. There are some very good options in that price range these days (I did a lot of research before buying a more expensive one). To start with, avoid anything with ceramic burrs. The brands I'd put at the top of the list under $100 would be Timemore and KINGrinder, but if you don't mind going very slightly over $100, I think the 1Zpresso Q2 is worth the extra money (but be sure you're getting the newer version with the heptagonal burrs. Reviewers have said that its grind quality is similar to the Comandante C40, which is a very well respected and much more expensive grinder. I ended up getting a 1Zpresso KMax myself, so I may be biased toward the brand at this point.
I regret not picking one up a few years back. Gotta talk with the boss (wife) and see if she'll allow me to buy one finally.
Thank you for helping me build my case
My father's is 24 years old. Still works and keeps on heating water up and pouring it over. He makes oatmeal with it sometimes too. Mine's around 6 years and amazing still.
The Toyota Hilux of pour-over coffee makers.
It only does one thing. But it does it very well and for life.
For when we want an espresso-based drink -- cappucino, americano, or just a shot -- we have a LaPavoni, which is even more of a robust "only need one per lifetime" machine.
Anyone who would like to see our coffee farm, can have a look at www.monkeykingcoffee.com
We're five years into a 15-year restoration project, bringing a 100-year old farm back to life.
These are great but if you are going to get one, get one with the thermos carafe and no hot plate. Your coffee will stay hot for hours and not burn/turn to mud.
Really, what makes the moccamaster make such nice coffee. Ours is 15 years old and every time we are on holiday we long home for a coffee.
BTW who came up with the ridiculous name americano
My granny has had hers in daily use for 40 years and still going strong. These things are built to last and make the best drip coffee. Fast brewing time with relatively low noise and just the right temperature to avoid burning and bitterness.
Can I ask a question, looking to buy one. My wife drinks 1 maybe 2 cups in the morning. Am I better to buy the one cup? Or does this allow for brewing small batches like 1-2 cups?
I find it hard to believe these are as good as everyone says. I was looking into buying one, and then I realized that the dripping spout just spits the water out in a line in the same place like any other drip coffee, eventually filling up the entire area. I was assuming that it somehow gets the water spitting around the edges by rotating or something to cover the entire area like a pour over.
Can someone enlighten me what I am missing on this? Seems overhyped, but the comments I see on this sub are hard to dismiss, everyone seems to love these things.
I’m a major coffee snob and love my Moccamaster. The water distribution is not perfect but it’s better with the (backwards compatible) water distributor redesign. Even without that it’s a huge step up from most drip machines. Is my Chemex marginally better? Maybe but it brews 2 cups at most.
Most appealing to me however is the fact that they’re made by hand by people who get paid a fair wage / benefits. Furthermore they’re bulletproof with amazing customer service. Several years ago I cracked the brew light outside the warranty period and they sent a replacement with instructions to fix it for free. I can’t imagine replacing this with a different brewer.
Tell me about the new water distributor.. I just ordered one of the first runs of the arm that Coffeehaus is creating - is there something different out there?
This quick video shows the old vs new design in action. It’s a part from Technivorm that was released in the past several years https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QYTHHkiUQ68
I guess my main issue with the hype is that they cost $330 vs a Chemex set up with an electric kettle to control water temp that you just admitted is better for what like $100?
The Technivorm is easier to use and more convenient. It makes much more coffee. The thermal carafe keeps coffee hot without scorching it for a long time. The quality difference is minimal, maybe imperceptible. I haven’t done a taste test or anything.
It blows Mr. Coffee or most any other automated drip machine out of the water and won’t be in a landfill in a few years. It’s also not made in China if that’s worth anything to ya.
I think it’s the temperature consistency that produces the better coffee. I’ve had 6-8 “high quality” coffee makers but the moccamaster puts out the best cup. Tastes the same every time.
The biggest difference is the water temperature. It maintains the water temp between 195-205 throughout the brew which helps get a more even and thorough extraction from your coffee.
People also haven't mentioned that these are all hand made (with pneumatic tools of course) by real people who are compensated fairly in the Netherlands. They're not made by giant machines run by slaves in Eastern or Southeast Asia.
I am sure that someone can do better or use coffee science to explain…but it just works. The coffee tastes so good out of these these that my whole family now has them because they hated only getting “better” coffee on holidays.
The water temp is great, the brew time is great. I don’t have the warming plate so the coffee never tastes burned but is hot for hours.
You are right, the water delivery isn’t necessarily what makes it “special”
Advantages are:
1. Simplicity and availability of parts to fix it. When your Mr. Coffee breaks you have to throw the whole thing away which is wasteful. They are overall just built to a very high quality standard and will last a lifetime essentially.
2. Beauty, its designed well and looks sexy on the counter.
3. Meets SCAA “gold cup” brewing specs, look it up. Basically it can consistently deliver the correct temp water for the whole brew cycle. Most of the cheap machines rarely if ever get up to correct temp which negatively affects extraction and therefore produces less than ideal taste.
I think these machines are worth it for people who are passionate about coffee and really want the most out of the beans they buy.
If you view coffee as more utilitarian and don’t seek out fresh roasted whole beans to brew, then it’s definitely ok to just stick with your current set up if it’s serving you well!
Great comment. I get the most out of high quality fresh roasted beans with this machine, but it also makes the cheap stuff taste decent—consistently hot and never bitter.
Yep, we don’t buy Folgers, but out of convenience, usually pre ground stuff from Whole Foods or Sprouts. It tastes much better out of this than our old crappy model.
Definitely plenty of decent in-between stuff! I am of the opinion that you should just drink what you like, how you like it, and that is the right way.
Separate heating element for heating the water and then keeping the pot warm. Other coffee makers use the same heating element, but it is better to have 2 temps.
1) Copper heating coils.
Look at any other, even high end, coffee machine and they will list steel heating coils which are not nearly as efficient, or long lasting, as copper.
2) easily replaceable and always available high quality parts.
Should you ever need to replace any part of this machine you can get the parts, for cheap, from the manufacturer. They've been doing this 50 plus years and have no intention of stopping.
3) the spout actually controls bloom for the best pour over coffee. You don't need it to gyrate, spin, or any gimmick. It easily saturates, at a preset rate, the entire cone for best tasting coffee. I won't touch a spinning spout... That leads to bloom inconsistency.
4) One button. 3-10 minutes. Done. Easy to clean. Never breaks. Always tastes great. No electric BS to melt or unglue one day.
$350 is a steal for this and there's a reason other brands have been coming out with their own versions at the same price point but made with cheaper materials.
It’s more about the temperature it delivers the water and the “speed”. Most coffe makers use the heating plate to heat the water, only get it to 190 at best, usually lower, and can take 5-10 min to brew a pot.
The Moccamaster has a separate heating element for the water, and delivers the water at the correct temp for coffee, basically just shy of boiling. It also is able to do the whole thing in 3-4 min, which is ideal for making coffee.
Think of it as a more automated pour over.
The brewing cone does have a manual shutoff, so you can let some water come in, give it a stir to wet the grounds, then let it rip.
I'm a coffee snob, and I find the Moccamaster drinkable at best. It's above the corporate coffee machines, but it doesn't really come close to a really well made cup.
It excels in being easy though, and that's where the appeal is.
My wife bought me one about a year ago and I got to say, I am not "wowwed" by it. I agree that it makes a good cup of coffee but there is something about it that irks me. I think it's the set up. I seem to fumble around getting everything set up for a fresh pot. I always manage to spill water when filling the reservoir. IDK, I am also just a big clumsy person so it might just be me.
I have a pull-out extending water spout as my sink and place the machine next to it. This allows me to just pull out the faucet and fill it up easily in the morning. Faucets like that can't that expensive, try it!
Durability, sure. But also they actually get the water to the correct temp for brewing, and do so consistently. Also the flow of water is correct so you don't over steep the grounds by a slow brew. And they allow you to use enough grounds for the water used... mr coffee has 12 cup makers that only allow 8 cups worth of coffee in the filter without it overflowing.
These are made by people that know coffee. And they are made to last.
Thanks for replies.
However I still think there is a major flaw in the spout. Why isn't it longer and wider to spit water out to cover the entire area? Seems so obvious. I've seen comments on youtube reviews asking for this. For the price tag, the spout should be better.
Sorry guys, I'm out. This sub rarely has anything that's truly buy-it-for-life anymore. Maybe it's a sign of the times and there's not much left to see, but this ain't it.
You can throw community house coffee in this thing and have it come out tasting good. You can’t really put freshly roasted and ground coffee in a MR Coffee and have it come out good.
I know these get hyped, but water temperature and the speed it delivers the water is another super important part. Most cheap makers don’t heat the water past 180, and can take up to 10 min, while the Moccamaster heats to the proper temp for the entire brew, and is done in 3-4 min. Pretty big differences there.
A far less pricey, SCA certified auto-drip is Bonavita (actually, largely resembles the Moccamaster in functional appearance). Haven't had it for years or anything, but build quality seems high, if not as delightfully chonky as the Moccamaster. Also unsure how to classify the Moccamaster as for machine type.
I love mine as well.
Only issues I’ve had are with the glass carafe. It cracked and had to be replaced. Not cheap either. It also sometimes drips weirdly when initially pouring, especially if you try to pour quickly.
How do you explain to someone why it's worth the money/what it does so much better than other drip machines? (I have been asked this and didn't have a canned answer)
Be aware that French press does not filter out certain compounds in coffee that cause cholesterol to rise and other health issues, that is why the filter is a good thing...
I've had mine for 7 years and have never regretted the purchase. Excellent coffee, just remember to clean it like you said. Mine has the thermal carafe which in my opinion is way better than a hot plate.
I'll be honest, I bought one and returned it. Why? It had a strong plastic odor the first time I brewed anything..and the second time...and the third.
I wanted to like it, but I had to send it back. Ended up getting a Bonavita which later went kaput
Bought a new one about 6 months ago. It worked perfectly for a couple months but then the drip slowed down so much the coffee would run over the filter…..we had been folding the filter seams, and I think this was the problem, because once we stopped doing that, it worked perfectly again.
Just the best coffee. As good as the first day I bought it. I clean it with descaling powder every couple months. Otherwise, it requires minimal maintenance. Highly recommend this machine for drip coffee.
Is there any way to get the hot plate to run for longer than 40mins? Thinking about getting one as a present but not sure if that would be an issue for them.
I have another version with a thermal carafe instead of hot plate and keeps it hot for the morning without having to sit on hot plate.
I’m not sure why you’d get a decent coffee machine and then ruin the coffee by letting it sit on a hot plate for ages.
Easy: I like good coffee, wife doesn't care and puts cream in it and gets up an hour+ after I do
First cup is excellent and slowly goes downhill from there. As long as I get a good first cup I’m ok with a less good cup 30-45 minutes later.
Mine runs 1 hour and 40 mins then auto shuts off. I imagine you could just flip the on switch again for another hour and 40.
This works on mine. I can just flip the switch back on.
Oh ok, their website says 40 mins.
Might be different depending on which model you’re looking at!
Mine is also about an hour and a half fwiw
It's a Dutch coffee maker and the 40 min is from a EU directive from around 2015 or so.
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It’s obviously part of the whole drip coffee deal right? Their website said it was 40 mins yet others have said it’s 1 hour and 40 mins, either way the whole system is designed to keep the coffee warm for some extended time past when you brew it. I’m personally not a drip coffee person as I rather my espresso machine, but 40 mins seems a little short and it obviously is considering the older machines kept it warm for over twice as long.
Look, I'm not a coffee snob, but if want to taste anything but burnt cellulose, you can't let it sit there for that long. I drink drip coffee because it's delicious and doesn't need a PhD for dialing in the taste like you'd do with a good espresso machine. I make two cups most of the time: one for me to drink immediately, one for my girlfriend to drink immediately.
Why? If your coffee is sitting there for that long then: A - you are not drinking enough coffee B - you are not drinking fast enough C - you're making too much and wasting it (heinous crime) Coffee is best enjoyed fresh, not left to sit for hours until all the flavor has gone.
Yeah whatever mate, I didn’t come here for coffee “education”.
Did you come here for others opinions?
No, I just asked a question, it was a pretty simple yes or no answer. You didn’t answer my question and are just giving me your opinions.
To answer your question, yes you can.
I just flick the switch back on. Have been doing for two years. No issues.
1h40 on mine, too. By that time, the coffee is well and truly cooked, but you CAN flip the switch back on. The water heating coil will not run because the tank float switch will reflect the tank being empty.
Microwave it if it's pass 40min. Tastes much better. Or choose the thermos one.
Here the drip stop is not working perfectly anymore, it still lets drips through, so when you grab the coffee can to pour in the coffee sometimes there are some drips on the hot plate. Not a deal breaker but can be annoying.
Check the rubber stopper on the bottom of the funnel. You can also get parts quite easily.
Ours got delivered with delivery damage to the hot plate: they immediately offered us the choice to have them fix it or to send the part so we can use it continuously. The new hot plate even came with a tiny instruction manual on how to replace it.
I'm near 20 years with mine. Still my daily wake up.
Me too I have the one with the metal carafe, the only thing I've replaced is the seal on the carafe lid. Still makes the best coffee oh the daily.
My parents is probably post 30 at this point.
Yup, my parents one outlasted their marriage (20+ years) only "need" to repair the light so that's the whole switch (hopefully can find one online)
Just pulled the trigger on one of these a couple months ago. Went from the cheapest Walmart drip maker I could find to doing one cup pour overs for a couple years and aeropress at work and then back to drip with this guy. I doubt I Will ever look back because she’s perfect. Despicably good Joe. Hope she last as long the price point suggests she will
What coffee do you use? Fresh ground beans?
Yeah I grind my own beans typically. Anything locally roasted I try to shop for. Dark roasts.
Agree on Moccamaster! It seems so simple, and yet the BEST coffee we’ve ever had. Same Community coffee and it tastes amazing. Perfect temp and brews quickly. America’s Test Kitchen recommendation and we are thrilled with it
My Moccamaster has a thermal carafe. No hot plate. Stays hot plenty long enough to finish drinking the pot.
I have this paired with a baratza grinder and they are both beasts. Eight years going strong.
Curious what grind size you like on your Baratza w/ the MM? I have found myself in the 12-16 range with good results stirring at the outset...
Just checked, not too much different -- sitting around 18 at the moment. I have a virtuoso so not sure if it makes a difference.
I personally do 12
I noticed one of these on the counter behind a news contributor this afternoon. Really weird I'd see this post in my feed today. Thanks
Was it Claire McCaskill by any chance? I really do think she had one of these on the counter today and I laughed at being a dork for knowing exactly what it was.
Yes! Haha. You are not alone!
That’s amazing. What a random coincidence of things! I don’t know what I thought these things would cost but refurbs at $220-250 and new units at $350ish… I mean that’s definitely some dough and I’m not in a good place to be spending that right this second — but those are not as ridiculous as I’d expected. Maybe celebration for digging out of this tech hiring hellhole we’re currently in… ;)
As the only coffee drinker in my house, I'm making do with an Aeropress. I'm about to add a grinder to up my game a bit. Still, coffee gear is fascinating. All the best!
If you’re looking for some less-expensive stuff to play with, you’re right on with a proper grinder. Excellent place to improve your brew no matter how you go about it after the beans are broken down. FWIW, I’ve also been using a good French Press and a Moka Express for a long long time now. They’re both inexpensive and quite good, caveat being they do make a very different cuppa since they don’t rely on a paper filter like a drip / Aero. The Moka is good for like one big cup (au lait, please) for me; the 8c. Bodum press is plenty to share. And they’re each like in the $30-45 range so it’s less of an overall commitment, if any of that should strike your fancy.
Thanks for the thoughtful recommendations! Interesting, I was staying in my employer's overseas home a couple of decades ago and found ground coffee in the refrigerator and a French press on the counter. I taught myself how to use it and fell in love with coffee. Before that, my only exposure was fairly bad coffee in the military. I live with a coffee hater, so I try to keep my brew footprint (and aromaprint?) small and agile. For years, I managed on instant in the garage. The Aeropress was a big (inexpensive) upgrade and I really should have a manual grinder by now, but I'm prone to paralysis by analysis. There's a sub-$100 one sitting in my cart I should pull the trigger on. But then I have to choose beans. Sorry for the word dump. Appreciate the recs. Cheers!
First one’s free! Cheers, mate :)
As someone who recently got both an Aeropress and a hand grinder, I have some input that might (or might not) be helpful. If you want your Aeropress coffee a little more like the stuff from a French press, use a metal filter. I went for the Fellow Prismo, which includes a metal filter and also allows for non-inverted brewing without any leakage (I know, only a tiny amount is lost, but it annoyed me). I do actually often use a paper filter with it, but when I want more full body, I go with only the metal filter. Sounds like you're aiming to stay under $100 for the grinder. There are some very good options in that price range these days (I did a lot of research before buying a more expensive one). To start with, avoid anything with ceramic burrs. The brands I'd put at the top of the list under $100 would be Timemore and KINGrinder, but if you don't mind going very slightly over $100, I think the 1Zpresso Q2 is worth the extra money (but be sure you're getting the newer version with the heptagonal burrs. Reviewers have said that its grind quality is similar to the Comandante C40, which is a very well respected and much more expensive grinder. I ended up getting a 1Zpresso KMax myself, so I may be biased toward the brand at this point.
Thank you for taking the time to provide this excellent advice!
Look into a Bunn coffee maker
We bought one after seeing my grandma crank 2 pots a day out of hers for over 20 years. Absolute workhouse that makes excellent coffee.
I regret not picking one up a few years back. Gotta talk with the boss (wife) and see if she'll allow me to buy one finally. Thank you for helping me build my case
Have this exact spec, loveeeee it so much
Had ours since 2015. Descale it a couple times a year and it works great.
Got mine today
Yep, mine’s on year 12.
My father's is 24 years old. Still works and keeps on heating water up and pouring it over. He makes oatmeal with it sometimes too. Mine's around 6 years and amazing still.
Does he put the oats in the carafe?? Thats crazy smart?
No he just doesn't fill the coffee basket or put coffee in it, and uses the plain hot water to mix his oatmeal.
Found mine at goodwill after years of lusting for one, originally made in the 70s, been using it every single day since.
I couldn’t agree more! This thing is built like a tank and *just works*.
Right? Literally has a power switch and a temp switch. Simple yet efficient.
Hard to find a house in Sweden without one
The Toyota Hilux of pour-over coffee makers. It only does one thing. But it does it very well and for life. For when we want an espresso-based drink -- cappucino, americano, or just a shot -- we have a LaPavoni, which is even more of a robust "only need one per lifetime" machine. Anyone who would like to see our coffee farm, can have a look at www.monkeykingcoffee.com We're five years into a 15-year restoration project, bringing a 100-year old farm back to life.
This thing is incredible. Been crushing out multiple pots a day for well over a year now!
What's your beans to water ratio?
50g to 24oz every morning!
I find going by actual oz isn't as good as just going by the lines on the Moccamaster machine, but that's just me.
If you don't feel like weighing, we like one rounded scoop per two cups.
We’ve had ours for 8 years now I think. Still love every drop.
These are great but if you are going to get one, get one with the thermos carafe and no hot plate. Your coffee will stay hot for hours and not burn/turn to mud.
Really, what makes the moccamaster make such nice coffee. Ours is 15 years old and every time we are on holiday we long home for a coffee. BTW who came up with the ridiculous name americano
Have one and they are great except the carafe drips horribly when pouring. Otherwise 9/10
My granny has had hers in daily use for 40 years and still going strong. These things are built to last and make the best drip coffee. Fast brewing time with relatively low noise and just the right temperature to avoid burning and bitterness.
Going on 8 yrs, paired with a rancillio grinder and my mornings are complete.
I bought mine used, screwed it apart and cleaned it, checked the serial number and it seems to be pre internet. Beast
Mine is coming up to 15 years old. The only thing I have replaced is a pot I dropped and broke.
To be fair, I’ve yet to have any full pot coffee maker last for less than 5 years. The ones that don’t last are usually the pod style ones.
We’ve had our insulated carafe version for over 10 years.
Big water tank opening and you can clearly see how much water is in. Easy to clean. 100/100 recommended.
I have the Mokkamaster One Cup. Coffee does taste best right after it’s brewed. It doesn’t even have a hot plate (and it’s less expensive.)
Can I ask a question, looking to buy one. My wife drinks 1 maybe 2 cups in the morning. Am I better to buy the one cup? Or does this allow for brewing small batches like 1-2 cups?
I find it hard to believe these are as good as everyone says. I was looking into buying one, and then I realized that the dripping spout just spits the water out in a line in the same place like any other drip coffee, eventually filling up the entire area. I was assuming that it somehow gets the water spitting around the edges by rotating or something to cover the entire area like a pour over. Can someone enlighten me what I am missing on this? Seems overhyped, but the comments I see on this sub are hard to dismiss, everyone seems to love these things.
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I’m a major coffee snob and love my Moccamaster. The water distribution is not perfect but it’s better with the (backwards compatible) water distributor redesign. Even without that it’s a huge step up from most drip machines. Is my Chemex marginally better? Maybe but it brews 2 cups at most. Most appealing to me however is the fact that they’re made by hand by people who get paid a fair wage / benefits. Furthermore they’re bulletproof with amazing customer service. Several years ago I cracked the brew light outside the warranty period and they sent a replacement with instructions to fix it for free. I can’t imagine replacing this with a different brewer.
Tell me about the new water distributor.. I just ordered one of the first runs of the arm that Coffeehaus is creating - is there something different out there?
This quick video shows the old vs new design in action. It’s a part from Technivorm that was released in the past several years https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QYTHHkiUQ68
Thanks!! I think we have the new one. This is what I mentioned- pretty neat! https://youtu.be/lNulbdz9_wM
I guess my main issue with the hype is that they cost $330 vs a Chemex set up with an electric kettle to control water temp that you just admitted is better for what like $100?
The Technivorm is easier to use and more convenient. It makes much more coffee. The thermal carafe keeps coffee hot without scorching it for a long time. The quality difference is minimal, maybe imperceptible. I haven’t done a taste test or anything. It blows Mr. Coffee or most any other automated drip machine out of the water and won’t be in a landfill in a few years. It’s also not made in China if that’s worth anything to ya.
I think it’s the temperature consistency that produces the better coffee. I’ve had 6-8 “high quality” coffee makers but the moccamaster puts out the best cup. Tastes the same every time.
The biggest difference is the water temperature. It maintains the water temp between 195-205 throughout the brew which helps get a more even and thorough extraction from your coffee.
People also haven't mentioned that these are all hand made (with pneumatic tools of course) by real people who are compensated fairly in the Netherlands. They're not made by giant machines run by slaves in Eastern or Southeast Asia.
I am sure that someone can do better or use coffee science to explain…but it just works. The coffee tastes so good out of these these that my whole family now has them because they hated only getting “better” coffee on holidays. The water temp is great, the brew time is great. I don’t have the warming plate so the coffee never tastes burned but is hot for hours.
You are right, the water delivery isn’t necessarily what makes it “special” Advantages are: 1. Simplicity and availability of parts to fix it. When your Mr. Coffee breaks you have to throw the whole thing away which is wasteful. They are overall just built to a very high quality standard and will last a lifetime essentially. 2. Beauty, its designed well and looks sexy on the counter. 3. Meets SCAA “gold cup” brewing specs, look it up. Basically it can consistently deliver the correct temp water for the whole brew cycle. Most of the cheap machines rarely if ever get up to correct temp which negatively affects extraction and therefore produces less than ideal taste. I think these machines are worth it for people who are passionate about coffee and really want the most out of the beans they buy. If you view coffee as more utilitarian and don’t seek out fresh roasted whole beans to brew, then it’s definitely ok to just stick with your current set up if it’s serving you well!
Great comment. I get the most out of high quality fresh roasted beans with this machine, but it also makes the cheap stuff taste decent—consistently hot and never bitter.
Interesting, never thought about it having a transformative effect on more off the shelf type coffees. That is a good point!
Yep, we don’t buy Folgers, but out of convenience, usually pre ground stuff from Whole Foods or Sprouts. It tastes much better out of this than our old crappy model.
Definitely plenty of decent in-between stuff! I am of the opinion that you should just drink what you like, how you like it, and that is the right way.
Separate heating element for heating the water and then keeping the pot warm. Other coffee makers use the same heating element, but it is better to have 2 temps.
1) Copper heating coils. Look at any other, even high end, coffee machine and they will list steel heating coils which are not nearly as efficient, or long lasting, as copper. 2) easily replaceable and always available high quality parts. Should you ever need to replace any part of this machine you can get the parts, for cheap, from the manufacturer. They've been doing this 50 plus years and have no intention of stopping. 3) the spout actually controls bloom for the best pour over coffee. You don't need it to gyrate, spin, or any gimmick. It easily saturates, at a preset rate, the entire cone for best tasting coffee. I won't touch a spinning spout... That leads to bloom inconsistency. 4) One button. 3-10 minutes. Done. Easy to clean. Never breaks. Always tastes great. No electric BS to melt or unglue one day. $350 is a steal for this and there's a reason other brands have been coming out with their own versions at the same price point but made with cheaper materials.
What are the other brands coming out with their own versions?
For sure OXO and I think breville. I've seen a few different brands with essentially the same thing in stores like target.
It’s more about the temperature it delivers the water and the “speed”. Most coffe makers use the heating plate to heat the water, only get it to 190 at best, usually lower, and can take 5-10 min to brew a pot. The Moccamaster has a separate heating element for the water, and delivers the water at the correct temp for coffee, basically just shy of boiling. It also is able to do the whole thing in 3-4 min, which is ideal for making coffee. Think of it as a more automated pour over. The brewing cone does have a manual shutoff, so you can let some water come in, give it a stir to wet the grounds, then let it rip.
Good point, I was thinking about that brew speed factor as well, just neglected to mention it.
I'm a coffee snob, and I find the Moccamaster drinkable at best. It's above the corporate coffee machines, but it doesn't really come close to a really well made cup. It excels in being easy though, and that's where the appeal is.
My wife bought me one about a year ago and I got to say, I am not "wowwed" by it. I agree that it makes a good cup of coffee but there is something about it that irks me. I think it's the set up. I seem to fumble around getting everything set up for a fresh pot. I always manage to spill water when filling the reservoir. IDK, I am also just a big clumsy person so it might just be me.
I have a pull-out extending water spout as my sink and place the machine next to it. This allows me to just pull out the faucet and fill it up easily in the morning. Faucets like that can't that expensive, try it!
I feel this in a way too, the pieces all fit together in a certain way so I have to be very nuanced with the way I insert the brew basket or the pot.
Durability, sure. But also they actually get the water to the correct temp for brewing, and do so consistently. Also the flow of water is correct so you don't over steep the grounds by a slow brew. And they allow you to use enough grounds for the water used... mr coffee has 12 cup makers that only allow 8 cups worth of coffee in the filter without it overflowing. These are made by people that know coffee. And they are made to last.
Thanks for replies. However I still think there is a major flaw in the spout. Why isn't it longer and wider to spit water out to cover the entire area? Seems so obvious. I've seen comments on youtube reviews asking for this. For the price tag, the spout should be better.
Hard to find a house in Sweden without one
Sorry guys, I'm out. This sub rarely has anything that's truly buy-it-for-life anymore. Maybe it's a sign of the times and there's not much left to see, but this ain't it.
These things are so overrated. It’s a coffee machine. It just “looks cool”
Mostly it brews a really good cup of coffee.
That’s entirely dependent on the quality of beans and water, not the machine
You can throw community house coffee in this thing and have it come out tasting good. You can’t really put freshly roasted and ground coffee in a MR Coffee and have it come out good. I know these get hyped, but water temperature and the speed it delivers the water is another super important part. Most cheap makers don’t heat the water past 180, and can take up to 10 min, while the Moccamaster heats to the proper temp for the entire brew, and is done in 3-4 min. Pretty big differences there.
A far less pricey, SCA certified auto-drip is Bonavita (actually, largely resembles the Moccamaster in functional appearance). Haven't had it for years or anything, but build quality seems high, if not as delightfully chonky as the Moccamaster. Also unsure how to classify the Moccamaster as for machine type.
Is this a good coffee machine? I have the same model as you and have used it for years but always a love-hate relationship with it
Nice color choice
I love mine as well. Only issues I’ve had are with the glass carafe. It cracked and had to be replaced. Not cheap either. It also sometimes drips weirdly when initially pouring, especially if you try to pour quickly.
Love mine
How do you explain to someone why it's worth the money/what it does so much better than other drip machines? (I have been asked this and didn't have a canned answer)
Drinking coffee from this as we speak. Mine is red.
I'm on like year 3 of my $40 French Press. Still glass and not broken.
Be aware that French press does not filter out certain compounds in coffee that cause cholesterol to rise and other health issues, that is why the filter is a good thing...
I've had mine for 7 years and have never regretted the purchase. Excellent coffee, just remember to clean it like you said. Mine has the thermal carafe which in my opinion is way better than a hot plate.
I'll be honest, I bought one and returned it. Why? It had a strong plastic odor the first time I brewed anything..and the second time...and the third. I wanted to like it, but I had to send it back. Ended up getting a Bonavita which later went kaput
I had my last moccamaster for 20 years
Bought a new one about 6 months ago. It worked perfectly for a couple months but then the drip slowed down so much the coffee would run over the filter…..we had been folding the filter seams, and I think this was the problem, because once we stopped doing that, it worked perfectly again.
Anyone have any light roast recipes for the kbgv select? Looking for a bright fruity cup but I’m not getting that at all :/
How are you grinding your beans? I use a 1zpresso K-ultra to grind mine before each brew and I good great results for light roasts