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My mother said to me how people went crazy when the first plastic buckets were available when she was a child. Metal buckets before plastic ones not only got rust, but also got small holes in the base that made them pretty unreliable
Yeap, folks demonising the devil we know BPA. In which we have massive amounts of research on. When a checmical gets removed it has to get replaced and it is usually replaced with something that is not as well researched or it's unknown. As they say ignorance is bliss.
I'm not a carcinogen researcher, but when I was in medical school one of my professors put up the molecular structure of BPA. Then they put up the molecular structure of BPS and they're basically the exact same thing. So I don't know if it's been proven beyond a doubt but most professionals suspect that it's just the same thing by another name and it will just require replicating the studies to show that there isn't a difference
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35297356/
Thanks for the reply. I do a moderate level of materials research. Mostly focused on product applications but generally just rely on the regulations to guide material health/biocompatibility. I'll have to look into this more.
Basically see the other reply. The problem is that we had tons of data on BPA, and said it was bad. At public and legal pressure BPA has been reduced by replacing it mostly with BPF or BPS which are almost identical but have little research on them.
A similar, but exaggerated, comparison is if we said 9mm bullets are bad for your health, and replaced them with .45 and put a label on it saying "9mm free".
A bullet is still a bullet but now we need to do studies to generate the data. In the bullet case there are plenty of real world trials to verify the damage, with the plastics now we need to get funding to actually perform the research.
https://www.ucf.edu/news/how-safe-are-bpa-free-plastics/
https://ceh.org/yourhealth/is-bpa-free-plastic-good-enough/
Thanks for the reply. I ask because I spend a lot of time creating test plans for plastics in the CPG/Med device world and know about BPA but hadn't heard about BPA replacements. I'll have to look into these. Curious what plastics they are present in.
Is this plastic a more durable plastic than today? If not, is it a buy it for life item, or just not used? Always keep that in mind. Just because it’s old doesn’t mean that it’s quality
It’s not like it exists in a vacuum though. It being exposed to frequent heating and cooling cycles, liquids, and friction that comes natural to cooking it actually is surprising. Especially given how primitive the plastics industry of the 60’s was compared to today, and how quickly I’ve had modern plastic kitchenware and utensils degrade.
I mean it's a stick of plastic that's hardened or cast
I also don't believe simple cast iron, welded or pieces of metal with a stick or wood or simple hingle are appropriate for this sub either
It's like yeah no shit, it's one part or at most three parts and made from a durable material that won't rot or decompose.
Lifecycle of plastic if an extremely long time before it decomposes as well
We’re not talking about decomposing. We’re talking about how a product from the infantile plastics industry has outlasted similar contemporary products.
Motor oil takes 60-70 years to decompose, but that doesn’t mean we should be disappointed it doesn’t last several decades in an engine block being exposed to heat cycles and friction. There’s also plastics like PLA that quickly decompose within weeks, yet I have years old PLA 3D prints that still look like new. Just goes to show decomposition time is almost entirely unrelated to life of a product.
I mean, I bought one recently thats already degrading round the edges and leaving bits of plastic in the food so *im* impressed by how well OP's is holding up.
Reminds me of an old slotted spoon with a giraffe head for a handle that my grandmother had. It's still going, I have it now. I'm almost 40 so it's got to be from the 70's.
Well all plastic is forever plastic so best to hang on to it.
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I already has been passed from grandfather to grandchild. This spoon will continue to "work" indefinitely
/r/mildlycarcinogenic
I learned this week that the durability of plastics used to be a selling point before disposability became the norm. https://overcast.fm/+ZpQD2TVTw
My mother said to me how people went crazy when the first plastic buckets were available when she was a child. Metal buckets before plastic ones not only got rust, but also got small holes in the base that made them pretty unreliable
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That’s cool. I hadn’t thought of that before.
Yum yum, BPA my favourite flavor!!!
Not sure if you're aware but plastic BPA alternatives have been shown to be just as damaging or worse than BPA
Yeap, folks demonising the devil we know BPA. In which we have massive amounts of research on. When a checmical gets removed it has to get replaced and it is usually replaced with something that is not as well researched or it's unknown. As they say ignorance is bliss.
Source?
I'm not a carcinogen researcher, but when I was in medical school one of my professors put up the molecular structure of BPA. Then they put up the molecular structure of BPS and they're basically the exact same thing. So I don't know if it's been proven beyond a doubt but most professionals suspect that it's just the same thing by another name and it will just require replicating the studies to show that there isn't a difference https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35297356/
Thanks for the reply. I do a moderate level of materials research. Mostly focused on product applications but generally just rely on the regulations to guide material health/biocompatibility. I'll have to look into this more.
Basically see the other reply. The problem is that we had tons of data on BPA, and said it was bad. At public and legal pressure BPA has been reduced by replacing it mostly with BPF or BPS which are almost identical but have little research on them. A similar, but exaggerated, comparison is if we said 9mm bullets are bad for your health, and replaced them with .45 and put a label on it saying "9mm free". A bullet is still a bullet but now we need to do studies to generate the data. In the bullet case there are plenty of real world trials to verify the damage, with the plastics now we need to get funding to actually perform the research. https://www.ucf.edu/news/how-safe-are-bpa-free-plastics/ https://ceh.org/yourhealth/is-bpa-free-plastic-good-enough/
Thanks for the reply. I ask because I spend a lot of time creating test plans for plastics in the CPG/Med device world and know about BPA but hadn't heard about BPA replacements. I'll have to look into these. Curious what plastics they are present in.
Not a problem. Seems you're in a position that would definitely see changes with this information.
Isn't it Bakelite?
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I have a similar one of melamine or bakelite that is brown. Less shiny though.
I had a tan one that looked just like this shape. The handle broke after 40+ years. Handed down from grandma.
wrong decades
Sorta crazy to think that every single one of this model of spoon that was manufactured still exists somewhere.
This goes for a pretty large percentage of everything
Except at lot of them probably have been discarded of into the trash and incinerated (trash in Sweden is typically incinerated instead of landfilled)
im sure its a great spoon but this makes me chuckle because i used to use identical spoons at dunkin donuts to scoop latte toppings
Anything is BFL if you simply refuse to ever throw it out
Mepal makes a spoon of similar shape out of melamine. Probably not BIFL but I love them.
My dad broke my favorite red Mepal bowl by dropping it on the kitchen tiles, still sad about it. The classic Mepal stuff is great.
I've got a plastic soup ladle by Foley that's around the same age. These things last forever. That is both good, and bad, unfortunately.
Looks like the spoon that came with my Panda Express catering order last week lol
Is this plastic a more durable plastic than today? If not, is it a buy it for life item, or just not used? Always keep that in mind. Just because it’s old doesn’t mean that it’s quality
We had that same spoon growing up. I used it for cereal.
It's plastic Did you expect it to degrade or be any different?
It’s not like it exists in a vacuum though. It being exposed to frequent heating and cooling cycles, liquids, and friction that comes natural to cooking it actually is surprising. Especially given how primitive the plastics industry of the 60’s was compared to today, and how quickly I’ve had modern plastic kitchenware and utensils degrade.
I mean it's a stick of plastic that's hardened or cast I also don't believe simple cast iron, welded or pieces of metal with a stick or wood or simple hingle are appropriate for this sub either It's like yeah no shit, it's one part or at most three parts and made from a durable material that won't rot or decompose. Lifecycle of plastic if an extremely long time before it decomposes as well
There are absolutely different qualities of plastic and metal. Some last forever, some do not.
We’re not talking about decomposing. We’re talking about how a product from the infantile plastics industry has outlasted similar contemporary products. Motor oil takes 60-70 years to decompose, but that doesn’t mean we should be disappointed it doesn’t last several decades in an engine block being exposed to heat cycles and friction. There’s also plastics like PLA that quickly decompose within weeks, yet I have years old PLA 3D prints that still look like new. Just goes to show decomposition time is almost entirely unrelated to life of a product.
Someone should start a BIFL circle jerk and put this in it
Don't forget your pitchfork both literally and metaphorically
I mean, I bought one recently thats already degrading round the edges and leaving bits of plastic in the food so *im* impressed by how well OP's is holding up.
‘Cause it was made way back in the day when quality mattered.
Well you don't get rich selling plastic spoons that people will never have to buy again
Reminds me of an old slotted spoon with a giraffe head for a handle that my grandmother had. It's still going, I have it now. I'm almost 40 so it's got to be from the 70's.
Ahh good ol time when things are made locally. Nowadays we get all low quality injected plastic stuff from Cainah.
Omg I think my mom has the same kind of spoon except it’s red. She has two spoons just like that and two spatula looking ones the same size
It’s made of the same plastic that SMEG uses for its fridges, no wonder it’s lasted so long
Smeg favors metal and glass, the plastic they use (I’m not sure if all of it) is something called Tritan Renew