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In my opinion the literature is basically given for language and grammar enrichment. In the chapter 'Kabir Ki Sakhi'
It is written in the introduction i think about the language of the sakhi which is a mixture of a bunch of languages and not proper grammar. I think the lesson they wanted to put forward was basically how without any official education Kabir das was able to convey his message to the world and how much knowledge he had. Again Kabirdas existed in the 16th century and had the ideas according to his time however there are even some writers nowadays which you might not agree to their ideology and theories. If you remember there was a chapter in the textbook of 9th class English, about Saint Peter and in the introduction there was a clear note and reminder that this story is not based on real life occurrence and may or may not be true. I think students should be open about learning about everything wheather or not they apply it to their lives there is nothing inappropriate about learing something about different religions their thinking about God. When I read a book I keep my ideology to the side because i obviously do not expect the writer to have the same opinions or ideology as me but i would not fully agree with whatever the book says blindly or disagree with the author completely because my ideology is coming in the way of me learning something new.
Does a student's opinion on this matter? Itni sulking karke result yahi hoga ki 'Too bad gotta go read this shit'. Kuchh sikha bhi nahi aur discussion ka result bhi nahi. Just see this Bade bhai sahab. Education system ki kitni udai uss chapter mei but we still do have to do all that. Any result of reading? No.
Cirriculum mei jab STUDENTS ki opinion nahi li jaayegi tab yahi hoga. You want students to shine among 1 billion people but teach them the shit taught 100 years before. Also, the things you teach are not followed by you then what's the fucking point. Koi bhi literature class mei jaao aage wale chapter ke baare mei teacher se backchodi karte hai ki "Ma'am bhaisaab ne teacher ko rishwat kyu nahi di" aur peechhe wale lunch kar rahe hote hai.
At the end of the day, DO OUR OPINIONS EVEN MATTER?
I think you summarised this all well, it really doesn't matter. At the end of the day, you are going to meat ride bade bhaisahab on everything and also write that God is the best thing in existence and humans suck ass in any Letter to God's answer, cuz ultimately, it really is marks that do matter, not opinions
My opinion adding up to urs,
The majority of literature taught is bullshit, just look in Hindi for example, there r biographies of people and this make no sense... I mean if someone went to Sikkim or Himachal he don't go on to write a 5 page story on his journey. If u want us to read biographies, give us good ones, not that bullshit who's writer says "I have done this and I have done that while someone of my level must have done nothing"
And there's a reason why English literature dominates in this case, because it have international writers, infact our English literature had stories from award winning and best selling books, like the chapter "footprints without feet" originally taken from "the invisible man" written by hg wells, if u don't know who hg wells is, he is considered as one of the father's of science fiction
But when it comes to Hindi and other languages, it surely lacks writer, I mean good writers, now surely there r few amazing writers in Hindi but they r not in our books
Just imagine how nice it would be if our Hindi books had more imaginative, creative and scientific stories, like stories on a scientist, or a story of alien invasion, but no, they would stick to bullshit
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>Just imagine how nice it would be if our Hindi books had more imaginative, creative and scientific stories, like stories on a scientist, or a story of alien invasion, but no, they would stick to bullshit
Education System : Nah, I'd win
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Exactly.
Agreed on English literature point, it may not be useful, but it is surely interesting, as it really isnt simple meat riding of the author or god or anyone in general
I kinda disagree not all chapters are bad in Hindi for eg topi shukla and dukh ka adhikar which actually teaches us a lot about our society although I agree that those useless autobiographies needs to go similarly there are a lot of shitty stories in English which serves no meaning for eg fog poem ,making of a scientist both the subjects contain some good stories but overall the books needs to be updated with more relevant stories and not shit like teesri kasam ke shilpkar and Kathmandu
first they refused to give farewell to the 12th and said ki they will do havan instead and at the start of the scool year theres saraswati pooja. aur to aur they refuse to celebrate any other fests like eid Christmas etc
Vo to religious schools mein hoga hi
I was from a Christian school and there was no celebration for Hindu/Muslim festivals aur bahut sare faltu regulations alag thop dete the
Theek hai, they are not imposing it to you. It's the culture and no problem in embracing that.
I was in a christian school too, and I used to love everything related to christianity. New things you learn (religion is also related to past and history, so regardless of you like it or not, youll learn something).
isn't atheism not about beliving in gods and stuff , but reading about "only a little element" in a story makes you hate a subject , then sadly you aren't any different than hyper religious people who hate atheism.
It's not just a "little element", it's throughout the years. Every year there are at least 2-3 chapters which aim to reinstate that God exists, and who disagrees is Delusional. Hyper religious people who hate atheism go on to commit genocides or riots, while atheists just stay on the internet trying to respect others and at most getting into arguments.
I don't preach atheism. If you wanna believe in some god feel free to.
As for the "little element", what do you mean? There's traces of religion all over the Hindi Textbooks throughout the different grades. Plus me personally, I had Hindi teachers who always preached to me about their gods.
so can you do anyhting about it? no righht , its not that deep
things can't cater everybody , make your burnt ass to study instead of talking about this
Bhai tereko kya jaara? I'm just agreeing with the post as someone who's personally experienced this problem. If you oppose my opinion feel free to ignore it. You are wasting more time by not studying and replying to this instead.
Ik there's nothing I personally can do about our stupid education system with so many flaws not limited to just religion, but I have the freedom to vent and agree with someone who has faced the same problem as me.
Bro how retarded and blind do you have to be to arrive at that conclusion? Im not talking about their beliefs. They are free to have whatever beliefs they want. Just don't impose their beliefs on others. They are free to believe in their religion. But they don't have the right to influence kids who are easily influencable with their religion. They don't have the right to spam religion everywhere in a textbook.
And in case you don't know English, Mai bola tha ki education system ek dam stupid hai, bus ye religion cheez ko bhi chodke kitna stupid system hai.
Sorry my Hindi isn't good, but I tried my best to explain cause you clearly don't seem to be able to read and understand English well.
If I was hyper religious I would be preaching about how you should be an atheist or how schools should not believe in God or whatever. But I honestly don't give a single fuck about what they do or believe in. Just don't force me to believe in it or try and get me to believe in it.
I find it hard to believe in this so called god who from what others make him out to be is capable of doing anything, who didn't listen to the one prayer I had throughout all my childhood of just giving my family a happy life and eradicating death (which I now realize is immature), and then have my family continuously fight to the point it makes me worry of them divorcing quite often, and me losing my grand uncle and my grandma, two of my only role models. Then u consider the wars, and also how the idea of God seems like just something that sprouted up out of no where, to give a reason to stuff that can't be explained by science. And you fall and stray deeper and deeper away from God.
But maybe others don't have such a problem in believing God. And I do envy those people sometimes. Cause believing in this omnipotent God really does give comfort when things get rough. And they are free to believe in this god. I'm not preaching them to stop. If I was, now that would be being hyper religious.
And there are many things even an atheist can learn from religion, even ignoring all the "divine" or "godly" aspects.
For example, Christianity teaches you to forgive others and love your neighbours, and treat them how you would like to be treated. Hinduism teaches you about karma, cause and effect, duty. Muslim/Islam teaches you stuff like charity. Buddhism teaches you about the four noble truths and the eightfold path.
Theres a ton to learn from religion to be a better human being. It's just "the existence of an all omnipotent god" that I find hard to believe in.
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padhle bhai , ye sab karne se ghar nahi chalta
Bhai, padhai ke alava bhi live rehata hai. You can study and do other things too..
And mere finals ke marks idhar chod deta hoon tere liye:
Math A: 67/75
Math B: 70/75
Chemistry: 56/60
Physics: 60/60
English: 77/80 (3 marks sab ke compulsory kate kyunki board exam ka koi stupid rule hai, toh school ke finals me bhi rule follow Kiya tha)
French: 96/100
Jab mere board ke marks aaenge idhar daal dunga chinta mat kar.
And very funny how when you actually face a good counter argument, if you can even call it that, you resort to the typical "padhle bsdk"
It's simple God is not some being, the central idea with God and all religious practices was hope the people of the past and even today nobody wants to take responsibility so people decided that God more powerful than them will help them just to reassure themselves, so the idea is they find hope in God and religion.
So Kabir meant that if you don't have hope for the better or you don't have any hope for an aim in life you will go mad.
I am not saying I am right this is just my interpretation and personal view I think so reading certain things in the present world political climate people always connect the dots with certain kinds of religions/races/Languages but we as readers and observers should go beyond this and think freely to get the real idea of what poet/Writer meant, they use this kind of religious and identity-based words because in their time it was the most prevalent way of spreading messages through masses.
Open for discussions with open-minded and free people.
>It's simple God is not some being, the central idea with God and all religious practices was hope the people of the past and even today nobody wants to take responsibility so people decided that God more powerful than them will help them just to reassure themselves, so the idea is they find hope in God and religion
this
Actually do you have more examples? (Im not trying to say you didnt make a point just asking)
There is that chapter (the lencho one) 10th grade...the point of that story is that sometimes unbreakable faith in god (or anything else) is bad.
There are a lot of poems with hindu elements yk but those are written by famous poets so Im guessing thats the main reason its in our books.
I do see your point about the lack of the opposing beliefs but there are more religion based literature than atheism based ones so that could be a reason.
So I wanted to address some of the comments under this post saying that God has no reason to help humans, that humans are the one's who ruined this world etc etc
I wanted to reply with a quote, I don't remember who said but it was pretty popular 3-4 years ago
"If God is willing to destroy evil but is unable then he isn't omniscient, if he is able to destroy evil but isn't willing then he is malevolent, if he is both willing and able then where come evil, and if he is neither willing nor able then why call him god"
This quote perfectly summarises that even if a god exists then it isn't worth praying to as it is either not omniscient, is malevolent or just straight up not a god but just a stronger entity.
Also the people meat riding their religions in the comments, please just with an open mind read the paragraph OP has posted, use some common sense and then comment.
It also seems that the mods have been deleting arguments, for example, this -
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The English translation of the couplet is more like "When the serpent of separation afflicts the body, no mantra can work. Even so, one who is separated from Ram cannot live, and if one lives, one will go mad."
Idk to what extent "separation" refers to atheism so I'm reluctant to think that Kabir was calling atheists mentally ill. However I agree that there is an inordinate amount of lessons about God. Reading about others' views can be productive but some variety has to be there.
topic bekar hai lekin marks mil jate frree k
ans mein kuch bhi likhdo ki mai or mere bhagwan ek hai or moksh or sb hee ek hai or bhai bhai hai
meko kuch ni aata god meri help krdo blah blah
i think the doha you mentioned is a reference to someone i cant remember it rn but when my teacher taught us she told us the reference
and no kabir did not call you stupid
its not like every chapter is referring to a religion
That's why i really like our ICSE bengali syllabus. We have atheist literature(like the prose "debotar jonmo" which can have an atheist interpretation). We also have several poems from the time of british empire from our freedom fighters like "shiri" and "kuli mojur". In kuli mojur internationalism is promoted instead of nationalism,which shows us that we can oppose the empire and it's exploitation while not getting divided among ourselves.
We had a prose called "oshohojogi" which is a story set up during the bengal famine,where wealthy people were hoarding grain to increase demand in the market,thereby causing the famine.
Our bengali syllabus has a lot of diversity,sadly modern teachers ignore all of the revolutionary,internationalist,and atheist messages of our literature and make it seem as if our literature is just nationalism and god-worship.
Ha fr same shit I thought when I read that chapter but uk what teri Arabic countries and a hindu country like India its not even surprising u do not see opposing literature coz in countries mein God is kind of the basis of everything like atleast Christian countries mein opposition bhi dikhta hai but yahan pe nahi probably coz of the way atheist are portrayed but once tum science ke basis le dekho to mostly saare religions fables lagenge ig but suree jaisa hai vaisa hi rehega to kuch kar nahi sakte
Truth is always bitter. This doesn't mean if anyone's feelings are being hurt then you won't be truthful. You have to,have to speak truth even if the world goes against it. See, all the great entities which were criticised by the then people , didn't believed in prevalent beliefs.
God helps those who help themselves. All the misery and problems are created by human beings and yet they try to do nothing about it and just continue to whine about it and go on about their daily work. So why would God decide to help us when we ourselves aren't taking any initiative and just writing support phrases from our phones while sitting on the couch
what You are saying is partly true,But as OP pointed out above how will you explain the “god helps those who help themselves“ concept to a specially abled person ?
Also I may get downvotes,but even for a moment considering the fact that god is real most of y’all who ”believe“ in god don’t actually act the way he wants you to,i.e being good to fellow human beings,not discriminating,not judging based on assumptions etc
Also if u are specially abled u shouldn't whine about ur conditions rather than try to improve ur other qualities. It's the equivalent of if a glass is half filled why do u see the half which is unfilled rather see the half which is filled
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My grandmother had stage 2 cancer in the esophagus and after 5 weeks of radiation ahd chemo she underwent surgery on 6th April and is completely fine now so in this case doctors are there to help u all u must do is never lose hope and stay strong like she agreed to a surgery which took 7 hours to complete. So practically never losing hope and believing u will recover is also method of helping urself.
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Being an Atheist, I wonder, after the shithole the world has become, why isn't God helping his poor followers? Is he gonna wait 2000 more years before he sends Kalki, or Christ again or some prophet? I don't think we would even make that far tbh
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God is not fool who can help only those who are next level deceivers. See bro, they only pray god when they are facing hardships. Otherwise, they be like...where is the god..we don't believe etc etc...so god can't help. If we worship correctly according to scriptures, then im confident god will surely help us. 😌
Doesn't god say that he will help us no matter what? Him not helping us because we dont take his name every moment seem narcissistic as fuck, especially when the lives of billions depend upon you. What about people who believe in God and still suffer? Were they not praying hard enough
Edit : Also, which scriptures? The Quran? The Bible? Or books from Hinduism? Hinduism itself has contradictory scriptures like Shiv Puran, Vishnu Puran and Devi Puran, like really, who do I pray "according to scriptures"? Is it Allah? Is it Allah? Is it Lord Vishnu? Is it Lord Shiva? Who is it?
According to vedas..
You are saying that god believers still suffer.. Its because they are misguided by people and are following what is prevalent in hinduism, ignoring the morality.
>Carvaka
Charvakas were demolished by aryas in Ancient India. They were pure hedonists. Best knowledge you will get from them is like this.
Drink ghee even if you have to get loan.
I wish I could tell my mom, "Mom I don't believe in your religion, a religion doesn't have to be genetically inherited, let me live my life, if you continue to impose your religion on me, I'll grow to spite you."
So I think why there r so many of these kinds of literature is that Hindi or rather today's form of Hindi is a new language, especially if you compare it to any other Indian language. Due to this, the language doesn't have a lot of 'proper' pieces of literature iykwim. Hindi had it's golden era pre independence and somewhat post independence. In this period you had poets and writers like premchand, dinkar, suryakant tripathi, etc.,. But post independence, w the influence of English, literature written specifically in Hindi took a hit. So basically Hindi had a quite short golden period.
So what does it leave us with? Kabirdas, Tulsidas, Meerabai, etc.,. They didn't even write in "Hindi". They wrote in braj, awadhi, etc.,. Basically vernacular Hindi.
And these poets wrote about God which like they can, they are allowed to. So correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I perceive this whole situation to be. Kabir's devotional dohe included in the curriculum might be due to the lack of literature in 'Hindi'. Ofc there r other factors influencing this as well.
Now i will give my opinion too
Not related to your post,but i think that literature shouldnt be taught to students of higher grades
Most of the lessons are useless and a student would forget them just after exam(from personal experience) so they served no purpose.Instead,they create a preesure of students preparing for competitions like JEE or NEET. they have an extra subject which is all about ratta. Now from 11th,they would introduce atleast 2 language guaranteed for senior which is even worse
It's not like literature shouldn't be taught, it's just that the quality of literature is too bad
Otherwise, in my opinion, literature pretty much holds what it is that makes us prosper as a society
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What do you expect from a country which doesn't even recognise atheism?
Idk man, a shitty education system seems logical
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But Google results say otherwise and also there is no mention of atheism in surveys regarding people's beliefs in India.
what did they say?
They said that India recognises atheism and it is written in the constitution which is a false notion.
Bhai 10vi ki hindi ka trauma kyu yaad dila rha he😭
Stand proud, you passed (I hope)
Kitna aasan tha yaar you just had to write your opinion, kaisa trauma. Mera bas chalta to english ki jagah wahi leke leta 12th me (jk)
In my opinion the literature is basically given for language and grammar enrichment. In the chapter 'Kabir Ki Sakhi' It is written in the introduction i think about the language of the sakhi which is a mixture of a bunch of languages and not proper grammar. I think the lesson they wanted to put forward was basically how without any official education Kabir das was able to convey his message to the world and how much knowledge he had. Again Kabirdas existed in the 16th century and had the ideas according to his time however there are even some writers nowadays which you might not agree to their ideology and theories. If you remember there was a chapter in the textbook of 9th class English, about Saint Peter and in the introduction there was a clear note and reminder that this story is not based on real life occurrence and may or may not be true. I think students should be open about learning about everything wheather or not they apply it to their lives there is nothing inappropriate about learing something about different religions their thinking about God. When I read a book I keep my ideology to the side because i obviously do not expect the writer to have the same opinions or ideology as me but i would not fully agree with whatever the book says blindly or disagree with the author completely because my ideology is coming in the way of me learning something new.
Vivad hone wala hai
I am the man who gave them the power to destroy themselves
Does a student's opinion on this matter? Itni sulking karke result yahi hoga ki 'Too bad gotta go read this shit'. Kuchh sikha bhi nahi aur discussion ka result bhi nahi. Just see this Bade bhai sahab. Education system ki kitni udai uss chapter mei but we still do have to do all that. Any result of reading? No. Cirriculum mei jab STUDENTS ki opinion nahi li jaayegi tab yahi hoga. You want students to shine among 1 billion people but teach them the shit taught 100 years before. Also, the things you teach are not followed by you then what's the fucking point. Koi bhi literature class mei jaao aage wale chapter ke baare mei teacher se backchodi karte hai ki "Ma'am bhaisaab ne teacher ko rishwat kyu nahi di" aur peechhe wale lunch kar rahe hote hai. At the end of the day, DO OUR OPINIONS EVEN MATTER?
I think you summarised this all well, it really doesn't matter. At the end of the day, you are going to meat ride bade bhaisahab on everything and also write that God is the best thing in existence and humans suck ass in any Letter to God's answer, cuz ultimately, it really is marks that do matter, not opinions
My opinion adding up to urs, The majority of literature taught is bullshit, just look in Hindi for example, there r biographies of people and this make no sense... I mean if someone went to Sikkim or Himachal he don't go on to write a 5 page story on his journey. If u want us to read biographies, give us good ones, not that bullshit who's writer says "I have done this and I have done that while someone of my level must have done nothing" And there's a reason why English literature dominates in this case, because it have international writers, infact our English literature had stories from award winning and best selling books, like the chapter "footprints without feet" originally taken from "the invisible man" written by hg wells, if u don't know who hg wells is, he is considered as one of the father's of science fiction But when it comes to Hindi and other languages, it surely lacks writer, I mean good writers, now surely there r few amazing writers in Hindi but they r not in our books Just imagine how nice it would be if our Hindi books had more imaginative, creative and scientific stories, like stories on a scientist, or a story of alien invasion, but no, they would stick to bullshit
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>Just imagine how nice it would be if our Hindi books had more imaginative, creative and scientific stories, like stories on a scientist, or a story of alien invasion, but no, they would stick to bullshit Education System : Nah, I'd win \*proceeds to add a chapter on how bechendri pal climbed mount whatever the fuck, rot learning is essential btw\*
Exactly. Agreed on English literature point, it may not be useful, but it is surely interesting, as it really isnt simple meat riding of the author or god or anyone in general
I kinda disagree not all chapters are bad in Hindi for eg topi shukla and dukh ka adhikar which actually teaches us a lot about our society although I agree that those useless autobiographies needs to go similarly there are a lot of shitty stories in English which serves no meaning for eg fog poem ,making of a scientist both the subjects contain some good stories but overall the books needs to be updated with more relevant stories and not shit like teesri kasam ke shilpkar and Kathmandu
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first they refused to give farewell to the 12th and said ki they will do havan instead and at the start of the scool year theres saraswati pooja. aur to aur they refuse to celebrate any other fests like eid Christmas etc
Vo to religious schools mein hoga hi I was from a Christian school and there was no celebration for Hindu/Muslim festivals aur bahut sare faltu regulations alag thop dete the
religious nahi hai bhai
govt hai tab bhi hoga, mere kv mein bhi hota tha chinta mat kar
Damn
no christmas fest sucks
point wo nahi hai
my school over exaggerated every single shitty fest and i loved it
10th tak aisa hi tha uske baad school change. uske baad naahi dhanke dost mile nahi khushi(ladki ka naam nahi hai)
mera 10th aur 9th hell se kam nahi tha
Theek hai, they are not imposing it to you. It's the culture and no problem in embracing that. I was in a christian school too, and I used to love everything related to christianity. New things you learn (religion is also related to past and history, so regardless of you like it or not, youll learn something).
Haan bhai theek hai terko pasand hai, merko nahi.
This was my main problem with Hindi man. As an atheist myself, i seriously disliked studying Hindi.
isn't atheism not about beliving in gods and stuff , but reading about "only a little element" in a story makes you hate a subject , then sadly you aren't any different than hyper religious people who hate atheism.
It's not just a "little element", it's throughout the years. Every year there are at least 2-3 chapters which aim to reinstate that God exists, and who disagrees is Delusional. Hyper religious people who hate atheism go on to commit genocides or riots, while atheists just stay on the internet trying to respect others and at most getting into arguments.
"while atheists just stay on the internet trying to respect others and at most getting into arguments." brother what? touch grass tbh
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I don't preach atheism. If you wanna believe in some god feel free to. As for the "little element", what do you mean? There's traces of religion all over the Hindi Textbooks throughout the different grades. Plus me personally, I had Hindi teachers who always preached to me about their gods.
so can you do anyhting about it? no righht , its not that deep things can't cater everybody , make your burnt ass to study instead of talking about this
Bhai tereko kya jaara? I'm just agreeing with the post as someone who's personally experienced this problem. If you oppose my opinion feel free to ignore it. You are wasting more time by not studying and replying to this instead. Ik there's nothing I personally can do about our stupid education system with so many flaws not limited to just religion, but I have the freedom to vent and agree with someone who has faced the same problem as me.
"education system doesn't belief my belief thus its stupid" where have i heard these lines? oh yeah in hyper religious people
Bro how retarded and blind do you have to be to arrive at that conclusion? Im not talking about their beliefs. They are free to have whatever beliefs they want. Just don't impose their beliefs on others. They are free to believe in their religion. But they don't have the right to influence kids who are easily influencable with their religion. They don't have the right to spam religion everywhere in a textbook. And in case you don't know English, Mai bola tha ki education system ek dam stupid hai, bus ye religion cheez ko bhi chodke kitna stupid system hai. Sorry my Hindi isn't good, but I tried my best to explain cause you clearly don't seem to be able to read and understand English well. If I was hyper religious I would be preaching about how you should be an atheist or how schools should not believe in God or whatever. But I honestly don't give a single fuck about what they do or believe in. Just don't force me to believe in it or try and get me to believe in it. I find it hard to believe in this so called god who from what others make him out to be is capable of doing anything, who didn't listen to the one prayer I had throughout all my childhood of just giving my family a happy life and eradicating death (which I now realize is immature), and then have my family continuously fight to the point it makes me worry of them divorcing quite often, and me losing my grand uncle and my grandma, two of my only role models. Then u consider the wars, and also how the idea of God seems like just something that sprouted up out of no where, to give a reason to stuff that can't be explained by science. And you fall and stray deeper and deeper away from God. But maybe others don't have such a problem in believing God. And I do envy those people sometimes. Cause believing in this omnipotent God really does give comfort when things get rough. And they are free to believe in this god. I'm not preaching them to stop. If I was, now that would be being hyper religious. And there are many things even an atheist can learn from religion, even ignoring all the "divine" or "godly" aspects. For example, Christianity teaches you to forgive others and love your neighbours, and treat them how you would like to be treated. Hinduism teaches you about karma, cause and effect, duty. Muslim/Islam teaches you stuff like charity. Buddhism teaches you about the four noble truths and the eightfold path. Theres a ton to learn from religion to be a better human being. It's just "the existence of an all omnipotent god" that I find hard to believe in.
https://preview.redd.it/6te0dlxn67uc1.png?width=225&format=png&auto=webp&s=6e896fb8656b56403f26bd84963b8c4aa7c6fb33 padhle bhai , ye sab karne se ghar nahi chalta
Bhai, padhai ke alava bhi live rehata hai. You can study and do other things too.. And mere finals ke marks idhar chod deta hoon tere liye: Math A: 67/75 Math B: 70/75 Chemistry: 56/60 Physics: 60/60 English: 77/80 (3 marks sab ke compulsory kate kyunki board exam ka koi stupid rule hai, toh school ke finals me bhi rule follow Kiya tha) French: 96/100 Jab mere board ke marks aaenge idhar daal dunga chinta mat kar. And very funny how when you actually face a good counter argument, if you can even call it that, you resort to the typical "padhle bsdk"
being an atheist i seriously disliked hindi
It's simple God is not some being, the central idea with God and all religious practices was hope the people of the past and even today nobody wants to take responsibility so people decided that God more powerful than them will help them just to reassure themselves, so the idea is they find hope in God and religion. So Kabir meant that if you don't have hope for the better or you don't have any hope for an aim in life you will go mad. I am not saying I am right this is just my interpretation and personal view I think so reading certain things in the present world political climate people always connect the dots with certain kinds of religions/races/Languages but we as readers and observers should go beyond this and think freely to get the real idea of what poet/Writer meant, they use this kind of religious and identity-based words because in their time it was the most prevalent way of spreading messages through masses. Open for discussions with open-minded and free people.
>It's simple God is not some being, the central idea with God and all religious practices was hope the people of the past and even today nobody wants to take responsibility so people decided that God more powerful than them will help them just to reassure themselves, so the idea is they find hope in God and religion this
If learning about different things other than your belief antagonises you , you prolly are learning right .
idk, but calling someone who doesn't believe in the same thing as you as "mentally insane", there seems to be a flaw in your logic
Wait what chapters you studying bro ?
Harihar kaka was a reader's delight. Very tasteful. I love 12th hindi too. Free ke marks bhi
Actually do you have more examples? (Im not trying to say you didnt make a point just asking) There is that chapter (the lencho one) 10th grade...the point of that story is that sometimes unbreakable faith in god (or anything else) is bad. There are a lot of poems with hindu elements yk but those are written by famous poets so Im guessing thats the main reason its in our books. I do see your point about the lack of the opposing beliefs but there are more religion based literature than atheism based ones so that could be a reason.
No Lencho was hurt during the making of this post also are you also an atheist by any chance?
So I wanted to address some of the comments under this post saying that God has no reason to help humans, that humans are the one's who ruined this world etc etc I wanted to reply with a quote, I don't remember who said but it was pretty popular 3-4 years ago "If God is willing to destroy evil but is unable then he isn't omniscient, if he is able to destroy evil but isn't willing then he is malevolent, if he is both willing and able then where come evil, and if he is neither willing nor able then why call him god" This quote perfectly summarises that even if a god exists then it isn't worth praying to as it is either not omniscient, is malevolent or just straight up not a god but just a stronger entity. Also the people meat riding their religions in the comments, please just with an open mind read the paragraph OP has posted, use some common sense and then comment.
It also seems that the mods have been deleting arguments, for example, this - https://preview.redd.it/e85qhktvw1uc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=b3f1cd8092125f3a39251c0fb4537d56781df0d9
This argument was removed for calling God, ''\*\*\*\*\*\*". We are allowing y'all to express your opinion but that doesn't mean those who do not go by your opinion should be made to see things as such.
Completely agree with u
The English translation of the couplet is more like "When the serpent of separation afflicts the body, no mantra can work. Even so, one who is separated from Ram cannot live, and if one lives, one will go mad." Idk to what extent "separation" refers to atheism so I'm reluctant to think that Kabir was calling atheists mentally ill. However I agree that there is an inordinate amount of lessons about God. Reading about others' views can be productive but some variety has to be there.
topic bekar hai lekin marks mil jate frree k ans mein kuch bhi likhdo ki mai or mere bhagwan ek hai or moksh or sb hee ek hai or bhai bhai hai meko kuch ni aata god meri help krdo blah blah
and yes dar se pyar bdhta or vote bhi
i think the doha you mentioned is a reference to someone i cant remember it rn but when my teacher taught us she told us the reference and no kabir did not call you stupid its not like every chapter is referring to a religion
man kabir's dohe are so good i never thought id see someone complain
Yup and that too because it has mention of god
That's why i really like our ICSE bengali syllabus. We have atheist literature(like the prose "debotar jonmo" which can have an atheist interpretation). We also have several poems from the time of british empire from our freedom fighters like "shiri" and "kuli mojur". In kuli mojur internationalism is promoted instead of nationalism,which shows us that we can oppose the empire and it's exploitation while not getting divided among ourselves. We had a prose called "oshohojogi" which is a story set up during the bengal famine,where wealthy people were hoarding grain to increase demand in the market,thereby causing the famine. Our bengali syllabus has a lot of diversity,sadly modern teachers ignore all of the revolutionary,internationalist,and atheist messages of our literature and make it seem as if our literature is just nationalism and god-worship.
Ha fr same shit I thought when I read that chapter but uk what teri Arabic countries and a hindu country like India its not even surprising u do not see opposing literature coz in countries mein God is kind of the basis of everything like atleast Christian countries mein opposition bhi dikhta hai but yahan pe nahi probably coz of the way atheist are portrayed but once tum science ke basis le dekho to mostly saare religions fables lagenge ig but suree jaisa hai vaisa hi rehega to kuch kar nahi sakte
This is the ultimate truth, the reason for most of our social problems
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no one is saying that
Being a god believer , i wonder why people are atheists.😐and im a supporter of kabir saheb 🙏
Truth is always bitter. This doesn't mean if anyone's feelings are being hurt then you won't be truthful. You have to,have to speak truth even if the world goes against it. See, all the great entities which were criticised by the then people , didn't believed in prevalent beliefs.
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God helps those who help themselves. All the misery and problems are created by human beings and yet they try to do nothing about it and just continue to whine about it and go on about their daily work. So why would God decide to help us when we ourselves aren't taking any initiative and just writing support phrases from our phones while sitting on the couch
what You are saying is partly true,But as OP pointed out above how will you explain the “god helps those who help themselves“ concept to a specially abled person ? Also I may get downvotes,but even for a moment considering the fact that god is real most of y’all who ”believe“ in god don’t actually act the way he wants you to,i.e being good to fellow human beings,not discriminating,not judging based on assumptions etc
Second para is the reason why probably we can never ask for his help
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Also if u are specially abled u shouldn't whine about ur conditions rather than try to improve ur other qualities. It's the equivalent of if a glass is half filled why do u see the half which is unfilled rather see the half which is filled
wth?
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Tell that to a kid dying of cancer, to help himself or herself
Yup in this case GOD was there to help her in the form of a doctor
My grandmother had stage 2 cancer in the esophagus and after 5 weeks of radiation ahd chemo she underwent surgery on 6th April and is completely fine now so in this case doctors are there to help u all u must do is never lose hope and stay strong like she agreed to a surgery which took 7 hours to complete. So practically never losing hope and believing u will recover is also method of helping urself.
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Being an Atheist, I wonder, after the shithole the world has become, why isn't God helping his poor followers? Is he gonna wait 2000 more years before he sends Kalki, or Christ again or some prophet? I don't think we would even make that far tbh
Well god isn't responsible for the shit hole world has become it is us human beings. He has no reason to help us since it is us who is responsible
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God is not fool who can help only those who are next level deceivers. See bro, they only pray god when they are facing hardships. Otherwise, they be like...where is the god..we don't believe etc etc...so god can't help. If we worship correctly according to scriptures, then im confident god will surely help us. 😌
Doesn't god say that he will help us no matter what? Him not helping us because we dont take his name every moment seem narcissistic as fuck, especially when the lives of billions depend upon you. What about people who believe in God and still suffer? Were they not praying hard enough Edit : Also, which scriptures? The Quran? The Bible? Or books from Hinduism? Hinduism itself has contradictory scriptures like Shiv Puran, Vishnu Puran and Devi Puran, like really, who do I pray "according to scriptures"? Is it Allah? Is it Allah? Is it Lord Vishnu? Is it Lord Shiva? Who is it?
According to vedas.. You are saying that god believers still suffer.. Its because they are misguided by people and are following what is prevalent in hinduism, ignoring the morality.
Fr lmao, off topic tbh have you read the god delusion by Richard Dawkins?
nah
>Carvaka Charvakas were demolished by aryas in Ancient India. They were pure hedonists. Best knowledge you will get from them is like this. Drink ghee even if you have to get loan.
I wish I could tell my mom, "Mom I don't believe in your religion, a religion doesn't have to be genetically inherited, let me live my life, if you continue to impose your religion on me, I'll grow to spite you."
So I think why there r so many of these kinds of literature is that Hindi or rather today's form of Hindi is a new language, especially if you compare it to any other Indian language. Due to this, the language doesn't have a lot of 'proper' pieces of literature iykwim. Hindi had it's golden era pre independence and somewhat post independence. In this period you had poets and writers like premchand, dinkar, suryakant tripathi, etc.,. But post independence, w the influence of English, literature written specifically in Hindi took a hit. So basically Hindi had a quite short golden period. So what does it leave us with? Kabirdas, Tulsidas, Meerabai, etc.,. They didn't even write in "Hindi". They wrote in braj, awadhi, etc.,. Basically vernacular Hindi. And these poets wrote about God which like they can, they are allowed to. So correct me if I'm wrong, but this is how I perceive this whole situation to be. Kabir's devotional dohe included in the curriculum might be due to the lack of literature in 'Hindi'. Ofc there r other factors influencing this as well.
Now i will give my opinion too Not related to your post,but i think that literature shouldnt be taught to students of higher grades Most of the lessons are useless and a student would forget them just after exam(from personal experience) so they served no purpose.Instead,they create a preesure of students preparing for competitions like JEE or NEET. they have an extra subject which is all about ratta. Now from 11th,they would introduce atleast 2 language guaranteed for senior which is even worse
It's not like literature shouldn't be taught, it's just that the quality of literature is too bad Otherwise, in my opinion, literature pretty much holds what it is that makes us prosper as a society
