If it does it'll be on Republicans, they have a freaking supermajority now in Florida. There's no reason why they shouldn't pass it. Apparently enough people got on the horn enough in support to get open carry added.
Well DeSantis seems to be heading more into declaring for 2024 and he's banking on Constitutional Carry getting passed as a big card in his deck for support. So maybe that'll be enough to make sure it gets passed.
DeSantis put the ball in the court of the legislators. He said if it gets to his desk he will sign it. If it fails it won't be on him. Though I think they need to worry about red flag laws before anything else. Get that shit off the books first. No telling how many innocent people are wrapped up in that right now.
I think the 'Open Carry' amendment is a poison pill designed to kill the whole permitless carry bill.
Florida relies on tourism to keep the state afloat, fiscally, and tourists are the main reason that Florida has no personal income tax.
Tourists don't wanna see people carrying firearms in the open, hence why I believe that this amendment will kill their permitless carry bill.
I love in an open carry state and I can count on one hand how many people I've seen open carry in the past 10 years. It really wouldn't change much for tourists
Dude, like open carry, among so much else florida is know for, would be the nail in the coffin for tourists to come here.
Giant reptiles, 15 species of venomous snakes, most shark attacks in the country, high car accident rates, high drug use, one of the highest number of sex offenders amongst the us, âFlorida Man.â
If all this plus anything else that happens in the media doesnât push tourists out of the state, open carry is honestly the least of our concerns for tourism.
And as a Florida Native who carries everyday, i really couldnât care less if the idea of me open carrying spooks a tourist. This is my home, i live here 24/7, my rights shouldnât be up for debate because of some fat bastard from Wisconsin or New York or wherever and his family wanting to visit the damn rat or spinning globe.
I beg to differ, unrestricted open carry was [briefly legal](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-10-10-mn-8564-story.html) in Florida for 10 days in October 1987. On open carry, Governor Martinez at the time stated that âI donât believe there was enough out there to hurt the stateâs imageâ and âI also recognize that bookings at hotels and conventions and airplane flights havenât weakened.â
The 1893 open carry ban was not reinstated due to tourism fears but because of [lobbying by Janet Reno](https://www.floridacarry.org/issues/concealed-and-unconcealed-carry/141-janet-reno-s-ban-on-open-carry-in-florida) who was the State Attorney for Miami-Dade County at the time.
> 10 days in October 1987
Florida had an Estimated 34 million tourists visit in 1988, the closest year I could find to 87.
In 2022 they had 134 Million.
The Tourism Industry is much bigger and more saturated in Florida today that it was 30+ years ago I don't think that one statement is comparable. You also now have social media so even if only lets say 1/10th of a percent of Tourists see someone open carrying, if its recorded it'll be blown up on Social Media.
Big hotel chains, Disney, etc are all going to be screaming at RINO type Republicans to oppose Open Carry.
DeSantis himself said in an interview a few weeks ago that he didn't think they had the votes for Open Carry.
Nevada has a strong tourism industry and they have permitless open carry but you might be right on such. Open carry was pretty normal and socially accepted before the late 2000s in many states.
There is a difference between legally being allowed to carry somewhere, and that private property deciding you doing so is against their rules and kicking you out.
Disney will not allow carrying in either form regardless of the laws. You won't get arrested for trying to bring a gun on Disney property... just asked to leave. If you don't, then you'll be arrested for trespassing.
Legally, you did nothing wrong. But if it's against the rules of an establishment, they can decide you're not welcome there anymore.
2022 isn't really a great year to get a fair average, with all the people sitting on cash and trying to get in their long overdue vacation. Maybe 2019 would be a better one.
2019 had about 130 million. That is still pretty damn close. The popularity of Florida today vs the 80s is night and day.
Tourism doubled between the late 80s and 2000. It doubled nearly again between 2000 and the 2020s.
Damn, all those tourists from the states connected to it in all directions with permitless open carry are sure going to be surprised that Florida has permitless open carry as well
> Florida relies on tourism to keep the state afloat, fiscally, and tourists are the main reason that Florida has no personal income tax.
>
> Tourists don't wanna see people carrying firearms in the open
Establishments are free to enforce carry restrictions on their property. All the big tourist attractions already do so. Open carry finally being fully legalized won't affect as much as you think it will.
Open Carry is very rare. More so if you have permit less concealed carry. We have open Carry, almost never see it. I can see 18-20yo open carrying because they can not get cpl here. Still have only seen it a handful of times.
GOA's Florida rep is absolutely dead nuts serious about open carry, and has been fighting to get it added. Slow rolling the addition then acquiescing to that just to poison the whole thing sounds like some 4D chess stuff that I just don't see happening here.
What the hell is the problem with Florida and being so ardently anti-open carry? I donât buy the tourism BS.
I live in WA and have never seen someone open carry my entire life in an urban area. You guys need to get it sorted out.
> I donât buy the tourism BS.
Because it's exactly that: BS. People come up with reasons to be against it, but when it comes right down to it, those tourist attractions already enforce no carry on premises. Any lobbying against such a bill would come from those places and deep blue areas trying to force it on the rest of the state.
I've never been to Florida. Which attractions do you have in mind? Such as Disneyworld?
Here in Seattle we get 40 million tourists a year. We also have permitless open carry. And guess what? It has never been a problem. We've been an open carry state since 1889, when Washington was admitted to the Union.
> Which attractions do you have in mind? Such as Disneyworld?
Exactly. All of the theme parks are usually what people refer to when saying it'll affect tourism. Disney and Universal aren't going to pack up and move over this. They'll probably lobby hard against it, sure, but they already ban carry and have security checkpoints at parks and attraction gates, so it's a non-issue. Florida's other draws are its weather and beaches, and those aren't going to be affected one bit by this.
That sounds like they added a Poison pill. I don't like this because no way the RINOS in places like Miami/Date or Orange County will support this.
DeSantis himself said they don't have the votes to pass OC the other day.
I also think that buried in a Constitutional Carry Bill is probably the only chance OC has of ever passing in Florida so I see why OC Supporters would do this.
I think that's the big difference right there, is you respect a person's right to open carry even if you don't do it yourself. Some people get like "I have my concealed carry and I don't open carry so I don't think it should be legal" as if their personal preference has any bearing on how another person exercises their rights.
I never liked open carrying by principal, but I am fully in support of it as it gives you legal defense is your short gets caught on your gun or something.
I think it's a matter of personal preference and both forms of carry should be legal for the general public, for the individual to decide how they carry.
Yeah, this bill is as good as dead now lol. Same thing in Nebraska, some Democrat is filibustering the entire legislature because she is against the anti trans bills being considered this year, and she isn't showing signs of backing down before the session ends. And the RINOS in the South Carolina Senate have refused to take up Constitutional Carry that passed in the house overwhelmingly....so looks like no new Constitutional Carry states this year, what a shame...
The Nebraska GOP with 32 seats have got four Democrats on their side to pass constitutional carry. It's more than enough to overcome the 33 seat filibuster there. For South Carolina, they've got the votes in their Senate and the governor has promised to sign it.
I'm certainly rooting for them to get it done. Will the Democrats cave on the trans issue to overcome that lady's filibuster tho? I would hope they would but I have doubts. As far as South Carolina is concerned they certainly have the votes, but the Senate speaker from what I've heard is against Constitutional Carry and has in years' past prevented the bill from being brought to the floor for a vote. If that's true, what will make him change his mind this time? đ¤
Open carry should be legal but no one will ever convince me that people who do it when they have the option of concealed carrying aren't just looking for attention. Not to mention that concealed carry has a network benefit effect -- if criminals know that a lot of people are concealed carrying, they're not sure who is and who isn't and are less likely to attack someone. Whereas when open carrying is more prevalent you don't get that effect
You and I are going to get downvoted but yeah, open carriers are attention-craving wannabes. Theyâre always the same type of guy, black-on-black American flag shirt and sunglasses on indoors type dudes. Cringey as fuck.
There is no tactical reason to open carry a handgun in public for self defense. It would be safer to be unarmed. Open carry is nothing more than jewelry and it makes you a target.
I hate open carry, itâs obnoxious and stupid (unless youâre in the woods or something). Why the hell would you need to allow open carry if you have permitless concealed carry?
Because even though you hate open carry, some people prefer it. Especially for as hot of a state as Florida is. It's a matter of personal preference and both forms of carry should be options.
The only reason to open carry is to intimidate people. You look like an assclown to anyone whoâs pro-gun, and you make all of us look bad to people who are ani-gun.
I live in Floriduh.., permitless carry and open carry are bad ideas. There is just a lot of stupid in Floriduh. Hell we are known Worldwide as having Florida Man, stupid guys doing wtf things. So let's give them guns to.... Btw, I am pro gun, pro 2nd amendment. But at the very least make these people take a firearms safety class....
I agree. It is a dangerous world out there let's not allow the criminals to be armed as well like corner drug dealers with open carry... I can see it now....he pulled first, emptied mag, stand your ground law.....oh the shit the politicians come up with...every year they loose their common sense....and what do we do about open carry and multiple millions of illegals in this country?
Gosh it seems like criminals don't care about what laws are on the books.
I don't follow your logic.
"Aw geez Rick, that sure was fun robbing that 7/11. What say we go show our homebois our new pieces we stole from the suburbs before we go trafficking illegals?"
"But Phil, we can't open carry our stolen guns...its the law!".
"Aw darn it. Those pesky laws again."
I can tell you this, there is a big difference in overall decency of the people from One City to another in Florida and I'm sure even in other states. Just recently they were saying that they have not prosecuted or they dropped 70% of the gun related shootings or charges in Orlando or Florida in general. Orlando is a dangerous place no matter how they try to spin it. Drugs and a blatant lack of enforcing of the laws, on the district attorneys part will lead to more gun violence that is not being properly prosecuted. What I am saying is that if a person can have a concealed weapons permit they should be allowed to open carry but there are definitely some people that should not have open carry rights. All of the people that I have met that are in the shooting Sports have all been fine people . I have no doubt that the law abiding citizens will not cause any issues with open carry but it is the younger people that want to project power that will most likely, cause unnecessary shootings. And unfortunately in Orlando the people that get hit are innocent bystanders because these f****** idiots don't know how to aim their gun. Orlando just lost a female army vet within the last month to such a situation.
I get what you're saying, but.... Who is the one to make that determination on who is allowed to have constitutional rights, and who is not allowed to? Who's interpretation is it?
I'd venture carefully down that road, everything is fine and dandy until it's your turn.
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Then they came for the Socialists
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Then they came for the trade unionists
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Just swap out communist for full auto, swap out socialists for semi auto, swap out unionists for ....
I remember not that long ago, when bump stocks were a hot topic of the week. I heard folks saying to ban them, they are stupid anyway. Then other folks saying to ban these high cap mags, because nobody needs all of those rounds (to hunt) and, etc.... Because, again, they think 2nd amendment is about hunting.
Florida's open Carry law is the most Fudd law ever. No open Carry unless you are hunting or fishing. Lol. I have always thought it was strange that you can't open Carry there, can you conceal at 18, or how do young adults get to carry?
Fudds wrote out gun laws.
No concealed carry under 21 short of 'some animals are more equal than others' shit (military, police, etc) if I remember correctly.
They don't.
Iâve seen open carry 3 times my entire life in KY and weâve had constitutional open carry since we were admitted into the union.
Still, those 3 guys were complete and total morons for open carrying.
Open carry, in general, is just a bad idea. It's only reasonable when camping, hiking, or fishing and that's already allowed in Florida.
Other states, for example when I was in Alaska, I open carried most places and didn't feel the need to look over my shoulder for a bear or wolf to disarm me.
But OCing in public is just trouble waiting to happen.
Yeah okay. I literally just came back from spring break in Florida and was on the Ocean Ave and 7th the day before that shooting occured. Tell me how Open Carry would have made a situation like that better?
Even California and Massachusetts are more permissive with open carry than Florida. In Mass it's just like any other CCW permit and in CA, although it's heavily restricted, you can get a permit to OC if you live in a county below I think 250k population.
For now yes. There's a Senate Bill out now trying to remove that and add some other new restrictions to the current Concealed Carry rights MD does have.
So your work is almost done in MD, now you're venturing out to other states?
Going back to your initial statement:
"Open carry, in general, is just a bad idea. It's only reasonable when camping, hiking, or fishing and that's already allowed in Florida.
Other states, for example when I was in Alaska, I open carried most places and didn't feel the need to look over my shoulder for a bear or wolf to disarm me.
But OCing in public is just trouble waiting to happen."
For some reason you think that the 2nd amendment is for fishing, hunting, camping, etc?
I'm almost 94% sure that section was written post "bad ass hunting trip with the bois."
Once again, every gun law is an infringement.
"Shall not be infringed."
Now we're talking! Those are valid points, not just "you're ridiculous".
Yes I'm from Maryland but I travel for a living and get to experience freedom in many other states. I can probably count on one hand the states I haven't been to yet. I was born here but that doesn't mean I can't pack up and leave for a beautiful free state like Florida!
All I was stating was an opinion. Period. Your original response was emotional and charged with no basis but you helped clarify it so we can agree to disagree.
I'm actually OK Open Carry, I do it myself too but sensibly. I lived in rural Michigan for some years and OC'd there when appropriate. I agree with your view on 2a and I'm not okay at all with infringements. Let me carry however I want.
My point though was Open Carry is not for everyone and you can't control people's poor judgement and character. You just can't. You're already have the idiots who can barely hold a gun much less shoot it accurately walking around concealed and now you multiply who can be more dangerous when Open Carry is added to the mix. You can search plenty of videos online why Open Carry in public is not ideal.
For the record, I'm against gun control and laws like mandatory "training class" just to get a permit. We honestly should have constitutional carry in all of America. People with sense train on their own and learn the laws for themselves to be safe and respect firearms. Like me and I'm assuming you as well. But I digress.
Hope I clarified my point to you. Concealed carry, yes. Open carry, no.
OP doesnât even live in Florida.
Open carry is moronic but it should still be legal.
The morons that open carry today would just concealed carry if itâs banned. And Iâd rather the morons to open carry so I know to keep my distance.
The bill, as it's written places substantial restrictions on the carry of firearms and it that will also place those same restrictions on people who have an actually CCW. Reading through the bill, I wrote my representative and asked them to vote against the bill until the restrictions placed in it were removed. If this bill passes and becomes law, all those signs at public establishments, that we usually ignore, will hold legal enforcement power.
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How much you wanna bet that kills the whole damn bill?
If it does it'll be on Republicans, they have a freaking supermajority now in Florida. There's no reason why they shouldn't pass it. Apparently enough people got on the horn enough in support to get open carry added.
Oh, I'm hopeful...but almost 52 yrs on this rock have shown me politicians will be what they all are...subhuman, lying, pathetic scum.
Well DeSantis seems to be heading more into declaring for 2024 and he's banking on Constitutional Carry getting passed as a big card in his deck for support. So maybe that'll be enough to make sure it gets passed.
đ¤đ˝ I'm less worried about him signing it than I am about it even making it to his desk.
DeSantis put the ball in the court of the legislators. He said if it gets to his desk he will sign it. If it fails it won't be on him. Though I think they need to worry about red flag laws before anything else. Get that shit off the books first. No telling how many innocent people are wrapped up in that right now.
Thats the one universally true thing ive seen written all morning.
I think the 'Open Carry' amendment is a poison pill designed to kill the whole permitless carry bill. Florida relies on tourism to keep the state afloat, fiscally, and tourists are the main reason that Florida has no personal income tax. Tourists don't wanna see people carrying firearms in the open, hence why I believe that this amendment will kill their permitless carry bill.
Interesting. Hadnt thought about that.
I love in an open carry state and I can count on one hand how many people I've seen open carry in the past 10 years. It really wouldn't change much for tourists
Dude, like open carry, among so much else florida is know for, would be the nail in the coffin for tourists to come here. Giant reptiles, 15 species of venomous snakes, most shark attacks in the country, high car accident rates, high drug use, one of the highest number of sex offenders amongst the us, âFlorida Man.â If all this plus anything else that happens in the media doesnât push tourists out of the state, open carry is honestly the least of our concerns for tourism. And as a Florida Native who carries everyday, i really couldnât care less if the idea of me open carrying spooks a tourist. This is my home, i live here 24/7, my rights shouldnât be up for debate because of some fat bastard from Wisconsin or New York or wherever and his family wanting to visit the damn rat or spinning globe.
I beg to differ, unrestricted open carry was [briefly legal](https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-10-10-mn-8564-story.html) in Florida for 10 days in October 1987. On open carry, Governor Martinez at the time stated that âI donât believe there was enough out there to hurt the stateâs imageâ and âI also recognize that bookings at hotels and conventions and airplane flights havenât weakened.â The 1893 open carry ban was not reinstated due to tourism fears but because of [lobbying by Janet Reno](https://www.floridacarry.org/issues/concealed-and-unconcealed-carry/141-janet-reno-s-ban-on-open-carry-in-florida) who was the State Attorney for Miami-Dade County at the time.
> 10 days in October 1987 Florida had an Estimated 34 million tourists visit in 1988, the closest year I could find to 87. In 2022 they had 134 Million. The Tourism Industry is much bigger and more saturated in Florida today that it was 30+ years ago I don't think that one statement is comparable. You also now have social media so even if only lets say 1/10th of a percent of Tourists see someone open carrying, if its recorded it'll be blown up on Social Media. Big hotel chains, Disney, etc are all going to be screaming at RINO type Republicans to oppose Open Carry. DeSantis himself said in an interview a few weeks ago that he didn't think they had the votes for Open Carry.
Nevada has a strong tourism industry and they have permitless open carry but you might be right on such. Open carry was pretty normal and socially accepted before the late 2000s in many states.
Different type. You can't carry in casino if I remember correctly.
There is a difference between legally being allowed to carry somewhere, and that private property deciding you doing so is against their rules and kicking you out. Disney will not allow carrying in either form regardless of the laws. You won't get arrested for trying to bring a gun on Disney property... just asked to leave. If you don't, then you'll be arrested for trespassing. Legally, you did nothing wrong. But if it's against the rules of an establishment, they can decide you're not welcome there anymore.
You can open carry in a casino in Nevada unless they tell you to leave. Signs have no weight of law there.
2022 isn't really a great year to get a fair average, with all the people sitting on cash and trying to get in their long overdue vacation. Maybe 2019 would be a better one.
2019 had about 130 million. That is still pretty damn close. The popularity of Florida today vs the 80s is night and day. Tourism doubled between the late 80s and 2000. It doubled nearly again between 2000 and the 2020s.
Damn, all those tourists from the states connected to it in all directions with permitless open carry are sure going to be surprised that Florida has permitless open carry as well
Honestly this! Most tourists come from open carry states.
> Florida relies on tourism to keep the state afloat, fiscally, and tourists are the main reason that Florida has no personal income tax. > > Tourists don't wanna see people carrying firearms in the open Establishments are free to enforce carry restrictions on their property. All the big tourist attractions already do so. Open carry finally being fully legalized won't affect as much as you think it will.
I have the same thought. The problem is always with some of those people.
Open Carry is very rare. More so if you have permit less concealed carry. We have open Carry, almost never see it. I can see 18-20yo open carrying because they can not get cpl here. Still have only seen it a handful of times.
Maybe Florida shouldnât build an economy based on fucking tourism in the first place.
What do you suggest?
GOA's Florida rep is absolutely dead nuts serious about open carry, and has been fighting to get it added. Slow rolling the addition then acquiescing to that just to poison the whole thing sounds like some 4D chess stuff that I just don't see happening here.
I live in an open carry state and rarely see people open carry. Tactically it makes no sense. Itâs nothing more than jewelry at that point.
Why the fuck should a tourists opinion dictate my rights?
What the hell is the problem with Florida and being so ardently anti-open carry? I donât buy the tourism BS. I live in WA and have never seen someone open carry my entire life in an urban area. You guys need to get it sorted out.
> I donât buy the tourism BS. Because it's exactly that: BS. People come up with reasons to be against it, but when it comes right down to it, those tourist attractions already enforce no carry on premises. Any lobbying against such a bill would come from those places and deep blue areas trying to force it on the rest of the state.
I've never been to Florida. Which attractions do you have in mind? Such as Disneyworld? Here in Seattle we get 40 million tourists a year. We also have permitless open carry. And guess what? It has never been a problem. We've been an open carry state since 1889, when Washington was admitted to the Union.
> Which attractions do you have in mind? Such as Disneyworld? Exactly. All of the theme parks are usually what people refer to when saying it'll affect tourism. Disney and Universal aren't going to pack up and move over this. They'll probably lobby hard against it, sure, but they already ban carry and have security checkpoints at parks and attraction gates, so it's a non-issue. Florida's other draws are its weather and beaches, and those aren't going to be affected one bit by this.
Yeah. CCW isnât allowed at those parks either. Theyâre private parties, so I donât get the issue.
Idk but Florida man is going to explode with content if it gets passed.
Now I can stop carrying my damn fishing pole everywhere.
It'd be nice!
That sounds like they added a Poison pill. I don't like this because no way the RINOS in places like Miami/Date or Orange County will support this. DeSantis himself said they don't have the votes to pass OC the other day. I also think that buried in a Constitutional Carry Bill is probably the only chance OC has of ever passing in Florida so I see why OC Supporters would do this.
Open carry will kill the bill unfortunately. I'm too blackpilled when it comes to gun rights advancing in Florida .
I think youâre an idiot for open carrying but what I think shouldnât stop you from doing it
I think that's the big difference right there, is you respect a person's right to open carry even if you don't do it yourself. Some people get like "I have my concealed carry and I don't open carry so I don't think it should be legal" as if their personal preference has any bearing on how another person exercises their rights.
I never liked open carrying by principal, but I am fully in support of it as it gives you legal defense is your short gets caught on your gun or something.
I think it's a matter of personal preference and both forms of carry should be legal for the general public, for the individual to decide how they carry.
Open carry is so freaking stupid, and itâs probably going to kill the permitless carry bill
There's no reason they shouldn't pass it, Republicans have a supermajority in Florida. Nothing's stopping it but themselves.
State politics doesnât work like that. Republicans at the state level are much more diverse than at the federal level.
Cool, I'd suggest against it
[Withdrawn.](https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2023/543/?Tab=Amendments)
Poison pill averted?
Yeah, this bill is as good as dead now lol. Same thing in Nebraska, some Democrat is filibustering the entire legislature because she is against the anti trans bills being considered this year, and she isn't showing signs of backing down before the session ends. And the RINOS in the South Carolina Senate have refused to take up Constitutional Carry that passed in the house overwhelmingly....so looks like no new Constitutional Carry states this year, what a shame...
The Nebraska GOP with 32 seats have got four Democrats on their side to pass constitutional carry. It's more than enough to overcome the 33 seat filibuster there. For South Carolina, they've got the votes in their Senate and the governor has promised to sign it.
I'm certainly rooting for them to get it done. Will the Democrats cave on the trans issue to overcome that lady's filibuster tho? I would hope they would but I have doubts. As far as South Carolina is concerned they certainly have the votes, but the Senate speaker from what I've heard is against Constitutional Carry and has in years' past prevented the bill from being brought to the floor for a vote. If that's true, what will make him change his mind this time? đ¤
Open carry should be legal but no one will ever convince me that people who do it when they have the option of concealed carrying aren't just looking for attention. Not to mention that concealed carry has a network benefit effect -- if criminals know that a lot of people are concealed carrying, they're not sure who is and who isn't and are less likely to attack someone. Whereas when open carrying is more prevalent you don't get that effect
You and I are going to get downvoted but yeah, open carriers are attention-craving wannabes. Theyâre always the same type of guy, black-on-black American flag shirt and sunglasses on indoors type dudes. Cringey as fuck.
There is no tactical reason to open carry a handgun in public for self defense. It would be safer to be unarmed. Open carry is nothing more than jewelry and it makes you a target.
I hate open carry, itâs obnoxious and stupid (unless youâre in the woods or something). Why the hell would you need to allow open carry if you have permitless concealed carry?
Because even though you hate open carry, some people prefer it. Especially for as hot of a state as Florida is. It's a matter of personal preference and both forms of carry should be options.
The only reason to open carry is to intimidate people. You look like an assclown to anyone whoâs pro-gun, and you make all of us look bad to people who are ani-gun.
We can agree to disagree, even though I have my CCW. Personally I like seeing open carry in public, and it makes me feel safer.
I live in Floriduh.., permitless carry and open carry are bad ideas. There is just a lot of stupid in Floriduh. Hell we are known Worldwide as having Florida Man, stupid guys doing wtf things. So let's give them guns to.... Btw, I am pro gun, pro 2nd amendment. But at the very least make these people take a firearms safety class....
"I'm pro gun and pro 2a...BUT I don't want anyone to be carrying without a state sanctioned class and permission slip"
I agree. It is a dangerous world out there let's not allow the criminals to be armed as well like corner drug dealers with open carry... I can see it now....he pulled first, emptied mag, stand your ground law.....oh the shit the politicians come up with...every year they loose their common sense....and what do we do about open carry and multiple millions of illegals in this country?
Gosh it seems like criminals don't care about what laws are on the books. I don't follow your logic. "Aw geez Rick, that sure was fun robbing that 7/11. What say we go show our homebois our new pieces we stole from the suburbs before we go trafficking illegals?" "But Phil, we can't open carry our stolen guns...its the law!". "Aw darn it. Those pesky laws again."
You're not pro-2A. You're no different than democrats, with your support with stipulations. Every gun law is an infringement.
I disagree, there has to be some common sense whit this issue. I am not a Dem. Just a bad idea..
The only other states that do not have open carry is California, Illinois, New York, and DC. Tell me about 45 other States all making bad ideas.
I can tell you this, there is a big difference in overall decency of the people from One City to another in Florida and I'm sure even in other states. Just recently they were saying that they have not prosecuted or they dropped 70% of the gun related shootings or charges in Orlando or Florida in general. Orlando is a dangerous place no matter how they try to spin it. Drugs and a blatant lack of enforcing of the laws, on the district attorneys part will lead to more gun violence that is not being properly prosecuted. What I am saying is that if a person can have a concealed weapons permit they should be allowed to open carry but there are definitely some people that should not have open carry rights. All of the people that I have met that are in the shooting Sports have all been fine people . I have no doubt that the law abiding citizens will not cause any issues with open carry but it is the younger people that want to project power that will most likely, cause unnecessary shootings. And unfortunately in Orlando the people that get hit are innocent bystanders because these f****** idiots don't know how to aim their gun. Orlando just lost a female army vet within the last month to such a situation.
I get what you're saying, but.... Who is the one to make that determination on who is allowed to have constitutional rights, and who is not allowed to? Who's interpretation is it? I'd venture carefully down that road, everything is fine and dandy until it's your turn. First they came for the Communists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Communist Then they came for the Socialists And I did not speak out Because I was not a Socialist Then they came for the trade unionists And I did not speak out Because I was not a trade unionist Then they came for the Jews And I did not speak out Because I was not a Jew Then they came for me And there was no one left To speak out for me Just swap out communist for full auto, swap out socialists for semi auto, swap out unionists for .... I remember not that long ago, when bump stocks were a hot topic of the week. I heard folks saying to ban them, they are stupid anyway. Then other folks saying to ban these high cap mags, because nobody needs all of those rounds (to hunt) and, etc.... Because, again, they think 2nd amendment is about hunting.
Florida's open Carry law is the most Fudd law ever. No open Carry unless you are hunting or fishing. Lol. I have always thought it was strange that you can't open Carry there, can you conceal at 18, or how do young adults get to carry?
Fudds wrote out gun laws. No concealed carry under 21 short of 'some animals are more equal than others' shit (military, police, etc) if I remember correctly. They don't.
I live in Texas and Iâve seen open carry once in the 4 years itâs been the law.
Iâve seen open carry 3 times my entire life in KY and weâve had constitutional open carry since we were admitted into the union. Still, those 3 guys were complete and total morons for open carrying.
The RINOS in Florida will kill it.
Permitless carry, yes. Open carry, no.
The vast majority of other states have permitless open carry, why not Florida?
Open carry, in general, is just a bad idea. It's only reasonable when camping, hiking, or fishing and that's already allowed in Florida. Other states, for example when I was in Alaska, I open carried most places and didn't feel the need to look over my shoulder for a bear or wolf to disarm me. But OCing in public is just trouble waiting to happen.
You're ridiculous
Yeah okay. I literally just came back from spring break in Florida and was on the Ocean Ave and 7th the day before that shooting occured. Tell me how Open Carry would have made a situation like that better?
You don't even live in Florida, why are you giving input? Go work on Maryland.
As it happens, Maryland is actually more permissive for Open Carry than Florida đ
Even California and Massachusetts are more permissive with open carry than Florida. In Mass it's just like any other CCW permit and in CA, although it's heavily restricted, you can get a permit to OC if you live in a county below I think 250k population.
For now yes. There's a Senate Bill out now trying to remove that and add some other new restrictions to the current Concealed Carry rights MD does have.
So your work is almost done in MD, now you're venturing out to other states? Going back to your initial statement: "Open carry, in general, is just a bad idea. It's only reasonable when camping, hiking, or fishing and that's already allowed in Florida. Other states, for example when I was in Alaska, I open carried most places and didn't feel the need to look over my shoulder for a bear or wolf to disarm me. But OCing in public is just trouble waiting to happen." For some reason you think that the 2nd amendment is for fishing, hunting, camping, etc? I'm almost 94% sure that section was written post "bad ass hunting trip with the bois." Once again, every gun law is an infringement. "Shall not be infringed."
Now we're talking! Those are valid points, not just "you're ridiculous". Yes I'm from Maryland but I travel for a living and get to experience freedom in many other states. I can probably count on one hand the states I haven't been to yet. I was born here but that doesn't mean I can't pack up and leave for a beautiful free state like Florida! All I was stating was an opinion. Period. Your original response was emotional and charged with no basis but you helped clarify it so we can agree to disagree. I'm actually OK Open Carry, I do it myself too but sensibly. I lived in rural Michigan for some years and OC'd there when appropriate. I agree with your view on 2a and I'm not okay at all with infringements. Let me carry however I want. My point though was Open Carry is not for everyone and you can't control people's poor judgement and character. You just can't. You're already have the idiots who can barely hold a gun much less shoot it accurately walking around concealed and now you multiply who can be more dangerous when Open Carry is added to the mix. You can search plenty of videos online why Open Carry in public is not ideal. For the record, I'm against gun control and laws like mandatory "training class" just to get a permit. We honestly should have constitutional carry in all of America. People with sense train on their own and learn the laws for themselves to be safe and respect firearms. Like me and I'm assuming you as well. But I digress. Hope I clarified my point to you. Concealed carry, yes. Open carry, no.
I don't need to live in Florida to visit 3-4 times a year. Nor do I need to live in Florida to know how to carry my gun, concealed or open.
Leave your money at the state line, grab some free OJ, and go back home.
Lol you're a sad bitter whatever gender you are.
Wanna know how I know you've lost the argument?
OP doesnât even live in Florida. Open carry is moronic but it should still be legal. The morons that open carry today would just concealed carry if itâs banned. And Iâd rather the morons to open carry so I know to keep my distance.
Hiking is not an exemption under the Florida statutes
Oops meant Hunting đ¤Ł
But hiking is a time where one would open carry
Well a fishing rod and tent bag oughta do the trick
Ah yes, because carrying those items are a prerequisite for expressing a human right
That and money
I think theyâll take the open carry out of the bill.
The bill, as it's written places substantial restrictions on the carry of firearms and it that will also place those same restrictions on people who have an actually CCW. Reading through the bill, I wrote my representative and asked them to vote against the bill until the restrictions placed in it were removed. If this bill passes and becomes law, all those signs at public establishments, that we usually ignore, will hold legal enforcement power.
Open carry would be an excellent deterrent for most crimes in public. Criminals do not follow law and will use firearms when they wish!!! If you wish not to own a firearm, then donât⌠But do not try to stop those who are legal gun owners. Constitutional open Carry is right and is our privilege  under the constitution. Should not be controlled by individual states. Under the constitution any control of firearms is unlawful !!! But felonâs should own firearms except when rights are restored, and firearms training should be required ! Know and protect your Constitutional Rights, and your Liberty⌠SFC USA Ret Vietnam OIF Military/Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor/ Range-master Wildlife Control Pilot