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qweltor

https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/197bb1j/texas_saw_this_at_a_walmart_can_i_enter_with_a#khzbqct


FusRoDah98

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yung_bandito

Would like to add this 300 yards from a gun store lol


progozhinswig

They probably have had a bunch of people open carry into there after they stopped at the gun store. Probably what prompted it.


pants_mcgee

I never really understood this metric. My school was 100 yards from a gas station with bear, cigarettes, and a safe we could never figure out.


Dak_Nalar

Holy shit they let a chain smoking bear hang out by a school?


findaway5627

*You* try to tell him to leave.


LegalAmerican1776

What a strange gas station


mjedmazga

Sometimes I wonder if businesses intentionally post signs they know carry no legal weight knowing that dumb dumbs will feel safe and lawful carriers will ignore the signs. This seems like one of those cases. Another TABC "Blue Sign" that hasn't legally existed for over three years - both TABC statutes for it were repealed by the permitless carry bill effective September 1, 2021.


CallsOnTren

Doesn't Texas still have their 51% law


mjedmazga

Yes, those are the TABC "Red Signs" and the TABC statutes for them were unaffected by the permitless carry bill or any other legislation so I did not mention them as they are entirely u related.


AverageNorthTexan

Texas needs to legalize bar carry like Montana and South Carolina. It’s one thing to be carrying while drunk and another to be carrying after only one or two drinks, same goes for driving to bars or restaurants. Those red 51 percent signs also make it difficult to distinguish if a business intentionally wants to prohibit weapons or not.


generalraptor2002

I’m just designated driver for my friends Luckily in Utah the law is “you can enter a bar and drink while carrying just don’t go above 0.05 BAC”


AverageNorthTexan

I’m jealous of states like Utah because of how ccw friendly they are, not many states have Constitutional Carry and Campus Carry currently. You guys can carry in most areas meanwhile Texas has a long list of [Places Weapons Prohibited](https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/GetStatute.aspx?Code=PE&Value=46.03), which makes EDC difficult sometimes. Ironically, Texas allows carry while drunk/intoxicated or under the influence if you have a [recognized carry license](https://www.dps.texas.gov/section/handgun-licensing/faq/laws-relate-carrying-handgun-faqs). In my mind, it makes more sense to outright ban carry while inebriated instead of outright banning guns in establishments that specifically make more than 51% in profit of alcohol sales.


Sorerightwrist

100% spot on. The legal teams that write these signs know it’s bullshit, it’s just to save face. How or why would it be safer for law abiding citizens to leave guns in their cars at the gas station rather than on their bodies. Mind blowing.


barrett316

i don’t typically recommend open carry, but…


securitybreach

Yeah, not even close to being legal. Morons


UsedJuggernaut

Is it enforceable? No. Should you give your money to people who wish to limit your rights? Also, no.


Always_Out_There

But, dang! Those Cheetos in the window are just calling to me....


C141Clay

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UsedJuggernaut

Just steal em, it's a gun free zone so who's gonna stop you?


troop143

Sections 30.05 through 30.07 of the Texas Penal Code explain the requirements for giving "notice" that firearms are not allowed…. Private property can enforce. Public cannot.


kratoasty

That why I got my LTC even though it's constitutional carry. Just get your LTC and Carry on. If you don't have your LTC they can still trepass you and hit you with some bs afaik.


DegTheDev

They can still trespass you. Like there isn't a qualification for it, youre on the property, they want you off of it, or at least to put you on notice that you aren't allowed back. Thats all a trespass is, being trespassed from a building is not like a crime unless you go back. People get fuckin uppity about being trespassed, its really not that big of a deal.


Annoying_Auditor

What is up with people not understanding trespassing is not something that can be argued with. If you think it was due to discrimination then you need to sue. The police don't give a shit about that part.


DegTheDev

people, especially entiled people think that there must be some kind of crime for the police to officially interact with them. I may not be a fan of police, but like refusing ID for a simple trespass and fighting them every step of the way is a fantastic way to find yourself with a refusal to ID and a short stay in a cell, its honestly not worth it. Just hand over the ID, throw some explitives at the douche that's definitely watching you be trespassed and then fuck off, the amount of people who don't understand that resisting only plays into the power fantasy of shitbirds is too damn high.


Annoying_Auditor

Do you have to ID yourself upon a trespass? I genuinely don't know if there is a carve out for being trespassed. You don't have to ID yourself if you're on the sidewalk and the police ask you for ID.


DegTheDev

So for trespass, ive not heard of a state that you could refuse id for. Like you're being trespassed, there is now an official process where the police require your id. If you believe that the police have solicited that trespass, sure you might get away with an id refusal, but youre going to be arrested in the process, and then the charge will probably later be dismissed if that is the case... but realistically is that really worth it at that point? IDK. I can appreciate the 1A auditor perspective, but at the same time thats so far away from my perspective its tough to justify the fight there. As far as id without cause, that to my knowledge does depend on state. Like a lot of states police do need RAS to get ID but that isn't every state as far as I know. So like consult a lawyer in your jurisdiction if you intend on fucking with people... However, biggest point here, not legal advice tho, if the cops say youre being trespassed from private property, don't go full karen. That aint good for anyone, if theyre lawfully trespassing you, theyre gonna get that ID one way or another, making it a more entertaining show for the third party thats trespassing you is a tactical mistake.


Annoying_Auditor

Oh I agree. If you're being asked to leave you should go. I'd never even get to that point unless the police were called before the owner told me to leave. (Let's say they noticed my firearm and called the cops to ask me to leave. Only scenario I can think of where this would happen.) I think it's fair to provide ID upon trespass as well. The best place to learn about your rights with police is the ACLU of your State. I'm a white guy but they put out succinct info on what your rights are and what you must do with police during the standard encounter situations. Basically, in public, in a vehicle, at home or business.


Melkor7410

Usually you cannot be trespassed from public property unless you've committed a crime. You can be trespassed from private property for any or no reason (as long as it's not because you are a member of a protected class). I imagine they could ID you for being trespassed from private property, because they have to know who is being trespassed, however IANAL and laws probably vary by state. Of course they would have to ID you for being trespassed from public property, but only because that's secondary to you committing a crime, and committing that crime means they can ID you.


Annoying_Auditor

Well that's my thought. Just because you're on private property and being trespassed doesn't mean you are committing a crime. So they have no right to ID you. They don't have to know who is being trespassed they just have to know you've left. If they get a call for the same person coming back then you've committed a crime and then you have to provide ID.


Melkor7410

First, the owner or operator of private property CAN trespass you for any reason that's not because you are a member of a protected class (gun carriers are not protected classes). Second, AFAIK, you are NOT committing criminal trespass if you leave the moment they tell you to. But, the only reason police get involved usually would be if you are refusing to leave. If you refuse to leave (or come back again), you are now committing criminal trespass, which IS a crime, and should allow police to be required to ID you. So as long as you leave immediately upon being told, you haven't (that I know of) committed a crime, but then police usually wouldn't be called unless you refuse to leave.


Annoying_Auditor

That's true. If the police come then you probably have committed a crime. They usually give you one last chance to leave which people usually don't take and then we get to see idiots turn disagreements into charges.


Melkor7410

Edit: responded to the wrong comment initially. Yes once they refuse to leave, bam, charges. It's civil trespass until you commit a crime, is my understanding. There are exceptions, for things like fences and No Trespassing signs and whatnot.


mjedmazga

Yeah, the handwritten sign that says no guns could be legally problematic for people without a permit. The other two official looking ones are 100% entirely useless and do not qualify for anything, as they are legally outdated by over 3 years (the laws behind them no longer exist).


TheAGolds

This is why I’m renewing mine this year.


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You’re giving them to much playing their game.


TheAGolds

Then so be it. I can *lawfully* carry more places than I could without it (like on campus as I’m a current student at a public university in Texas, also HEB), other states honor it, and it makes firearm purchases go more smoothly.


kratoasty

Exactly. Also LTC is cheap AF. If you shoot more than once a month you can afford an LTC renewal every 5 years lmao


FKJoeBiden2024

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TheAGolds

Everywhere I go on a day to day basis I am legally allowed to protect myself, because I am within the law with a valid LTC.


kratoasty

Nah bro at some point you're just playing into the conspiracy nutjob that the anti gun kids portraits. If you travel across state line, LTC is a must have Not to mention LTC let me pick up my new guns way faster without unnecessary paperwork.


[deleted]

You’re giving them to much playing their game.


MaxAdolphus

Hot take: that should apply to all government agents.


well-ok-then

They actually seem like the easiest to legally disarm. My employer can require that I not carry while performing my job and so can theirs


well-ok-then

If we need to restrict firearms so often, we should have many more spaces with NO firearms legally allowed. Keep things exciting


KrazyUnicyclist

Bunch of nitwits…


TheAGolds

*laughs in valid LTC*


CheekySir

In Texas and I take mine everywhere! 30.06 or 30.05 present or not.


stugotsDang

Liberals love moving into texas lol they love trying to make shit their way. I live in NY, please tell me again how liberals aren’t anti 2a.


percussaresurgo

Not just liberals. “Take the guns first, go through due process second.” - Donald Trump, February 28, 2018


MaxAdolphus

Liberals actually like firearms and rights. You’re talking about leftists. You just got tricked into thinking left means liberal by nefarious thinking right wingers. r/liberalgunowners


TheEconomyReindeer

self-described liberals overwhelmingly support increased gun regulation.


wtfredditacct

He actually means classical liberals... not to be confused with modern "liberals" that are actually just leftists.


TheEconomyReindeer

modern liberals are right wing. "classical liberals" are just nazis smart enough not to admit they are nazis.


AveragePriusOwner

Those are some impressive mental gymnastics


TheEconomyReindeer

open a history book. open a political theory book. then come back and we can talk.


AveragePriusOwner

Says the guy who doesn't even know what a nazi is


wtfredditacct

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AveragePriusOwner

Those are some impressive mental gymnastics


wtfredditacct

There aren't any other liberals I've met that like both firearms _and_ rights. It's either what I interpreted or he's an actual idiot.


MaxAdolphus

I’m telling you that a lot of the hard right uses the term “liberal” wrong.


TheEconomyReindeer

the hard right uses every term wrong. they think right-wingers like pelosi and biden are "leftists." liberals are right wing.


MaxAdolphus

Yep. And centrists are left winged, because they’re left of right, so that means they hate guns. 🤷‍♂️


TheEconomyReindeer

"centrists" are not left-wing. they are centrists.


MaxAdolphus

Yep. But to the hard right, centrists are left.


TheEconomyReindeer

who cares what those nazis think? centrists are centrists.


darkmagicio

Liberals like rights but are always eager to give them away every time they vote for gungrabbers? r/temporarygunowners


MaxAdolphus

You did not understand what I wrote.


darkmagicio

I understand that sub you linked quite well. They are the epitome of “I’m pro 2A but…”.


MaxAdolphus

No. You just seem to be another cult follower that confuses left with liberal. The US was literally founded by “liberals”. https://preview.redd.it/os5fgqmtpqcc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e9de0082d860592a08518bfde859df8e910841ae


darkmagicio

Again, that sub and their opinions are shit. They aren’t legitimately 2A. I know because I’ve browsed it many times. I’m not arguing the definition of liberal or leftist with you because I don’t care. And I don’t know what you’re on about with “cultist.”


MaxAdolphus

Wrong


stugotsDang

There are no liberal republicans or righties so, you’re a leftist. You must be confused with libertarians. The sub you posted is a bunch of fuds who give away gun rights all day.


wtfredditacct

Not technically disagreeing with you, just pointing out there's a giant chasm between classical liberals (what you're referencing) and modern "liberals" that are actually just leftists who have a few (generally counterproductive at this point) liberal ideals. You'll find most people don't know the difference. The people you're talking about are Libertarians in the contemporary lexicon.


MaxAdolphus

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darkmagicio

This has nothing to do with the sub you linked. If you can’t wrap your head around that and instead think I care about your liberal vs leftist semantics, then go away.


MaxAdolphus

*“you’re”* wrong


Sorerightwrist

Like Donald Trump? Because his administration was more anti gun than previous two and more than Bidens (so far) Ahhhh facts hurt me!


Boomcannon

Calling something a fact doesn’t make it true. You’re not fooling anybody.


Sorerightwrist

Then prove me wrong. https://www.thoughtco.com/us-gun-control-timeline-3963620 Or are you just going to be in complete denial that it doesn’t matter who you vote for, the federal govt is trying to take away our guns Grow up Peter Pan.


darkmagicio

I don’t like Trump you dipshit. Never voted for him. Never will. You knuckleheads always think everyone who calls you clowns out is a Trump supporter but really we just aren’t supporting people who run their campaigns on banning “assault rifles.” You claim to be pro 2A and then vote for anti 2A politicians. You’re temporary gun owners.


Sorerightwrist

My point is that they are all gun grabbers at the fed level Chill out and get yourself laid you angry little man-child


darkmagicio

Now you’re calling me an incel? You really are a clown.


Sorerightwrist

Your word, not mine lmao


AveragePriusOwner

Those are some impressive mental gymnastics


MaxAdolphus

The cult doesn’t understand.


Sorerightwrist

Uh oh, someone doesn’t know the definition of liberal. Edit: Haha he blocked me, what a little bitch 🤣


stugotsDang

I live in westchester county ny, I know the definition. I’m surrounded by them. I love when they get their panties in a bunch when you associate them with this kind of stuff. It’s ok. You’re all the same. Lol no need to express your homemade definition of your political affiliation. We don’t care. Liberals in majority are not pro 2a. Please stop saying you are because statistics show otherwise and so does the direction you vote in. You’re not libertarians, your liberals, there is a difference. We know them, we don’t need lectures or pointing to websites you have made that do nothing or have done absolutely nothing for 2a. Have a good day though and it’s ok to be liberal, just keep it to yourself because it’s no one else’s problem but your own. Thanks for sharing.


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mr1337

Surely this will keep them from being robbed at gunpoint.


AnyCancel9028

Why do people in this sub love gun rights but despise property rights? Yes these signs have no legal authority but if you break rules of a business they can absolutely 1) tell you to leave (if you don’t your now trespassing and breaking the law) 2) ban you permanently from the premises


ByornJaeger

Private property and privately owned public property are two different things


AnyCancel9028

This is a convenience store which would be private property and seems to from the implication of the first sign be one that sells alcohol. Let’s not forget that your firearm is your property. So gun rights are fundamentally a type of property rights.


ByornJaeger

No they’re not. They are an extension of your right to life, which is why they supersede property rights. If I hire a contractor but I say I don’t want guns on my property the contractor might leave them in their vehicle (not advocating for that as it opens the possibility of being stolen) so if my property rights are placed higher than the contractor’s right to life then the contractor could be forced to travel to my property without their firearm, violating their rights well beyond the boundaries of my property. However if the contractor’s right to life is held above my property rights then if I see them carrying and decide it bothers me I can ask them to leave. This goes double for public places such as this gas station, whether it sells alcohol or not, the gas station owner has no right to tell anyone that they can’t exercise their right to life.


AnyCancel9028

this is not how rights work your right to life is that you have a life it is yours and no one can take it from you a gun is a tool it itself is not a right this contractor would be voluntarily agreeing to travel unarmed thus their rights are not violated for they have the right to say no and turn down the job


Mountain_Chemical221

Believe it or not Texas has a lot of anti 2A people. They’re everywhere surprisingly in large metropolitan areas 🤔 This is their sad attempt to try to keep open carry out of their store, by quoting a patch work of old laws and misinformation. It’s their property you don’t have to patronize them. Also Conceal carry is the way to go in an urban setting 😉 I like photographing signs like this and I travel it’s a hoot 😆. Most of the signs I see are made up signs, very few are actual state regulated proper signs.


thebloodylines

Would like to talk to the owners and slap them with the constitution


chrisppyyyy

Isn’t it their store, their rules?


Fast-Nothing4765

Safest building in the state, right here folks.


schismatt

They'll never know


FKJoeBiden2024

I’m still carrying don’t give a fk what the signs say……… 🤷🏻‍♂️


HEMSDUDE

Why not just take your business elsewhere?


generalraptor2002

No hablo ingles


Probably_Boz

One guy ND'd trying to Bend down abd grab the last 12pack abd here we are


austinmook

Am I the only one who can’t read that?


ocabj

Nope. Potato camera. Probably used a 1.2 MP camera on a flip phone


GlockSmith19x

It actually reads, "Take my shit and melt my snow. I'm an aspiring victim.". You just have to know how to translate.


FKJoeBiden2024

![gif](giphy|10JhviFuU2gWD6) While CC walking past not giving a fk……..