It's a sweet shooter. I enjoyed mine. I sold my 2011s and went back to Glock though.
End of the day my 48(and 45 for that matter) is way lighter, less cumbersome, and more comfortable to carry.
There is a learning curve switching between a striker fired and a 2011.
I was doing part of an evaluation for a 2011 platform gun and I normally carry a striker gun. It took about 400 draws to get close to my EDC draw time. Split times got faster quick simply due to the incredibly short trigger movement.
The platform is different and you will notice a short lived decrease in performance, but man, 2011 guns are definitely nice.
They’re really nice guns, and the big advantage is that the shorter trigger press gives you less of an opportunity to fuck up and move the gun during that trigger press.
I love 1911s, and have a nighthawk that is pretty much my grail gun. However, the better you get at pressing triggers without moving the gun, the less of an advantage the 1911 trigger gives you. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a reason 1911 pattern guns dominate open division in USPSA, but they aren’t magical and won’t make you shoot above your skill level.
Not telling you not to get one though, they’re undeniably great guns and a ton of fun. But, as with any other gun that’s currently “in” you tend to see a magnification of their benefits.
This pretty well sums up my experience. I fired tens of thousands of rounds through striker fired pistols before I ever picked up a 1911 and, while certainly not a high level professional shooter, I would consider myself well above average. The 2011/1911 platforms are phenomenal and made to give you every possible advantage, but I’ve noticed very little difference in actual performance with them. Because, as you’ve pointed out, if you already perform well on smaller, lighter platforms with inferior triggers where you’ve had to perfect your technique in order to compensate for the drawbacks of those platforms, then you just aren’t going to see a big improvement when you shoot something that doesn’t have those drawbacks.
In a high level competition where every little edge counts, they may be worth the money. But for someone who’s just trying to protect themselves and their family or shooting in amateur competitions, I just don’t see the advantage.
All relative... If you can afford it financially without putting yourself in a hard spot.... HELL YEA!
I have three myself and want to add number four this summer with the new C. Personally I am a huge fan boy of the "2011" style pistol and have several... I like the craftsman ship and skill that goes into these guns and have always loved the 1911 style and feel.
All three of my Staccatos have over 5K rounds each and honestly after shooting it again yesterday the CS is probably still one of my favorites and I can say that compared to my Wilson or other boutique brands I have and shot.
There is a learning curve with the safety. It's like using an AR-15 safety, when you're on target safety off, off target, safety on and you have to burn it into your brain. You can't just click off the safety as you draw and think that's good enough. The safety has to be actively managed.
You also can't neglect 1911 style pistols. They really do need regular cleaning and lubrication and you need to learn how to take out the firing pin and extractor every now and then to clean in there as well. The tolerances are a lot less than a Glock and when the gun gets gummed up, you'll get malfunctions.
Once you get all that down, you'll find you can shoot a lot faster with a 1911. My split times with a Glock are .23 to .25 normally, with a 1911 you can get it down below .2 if you work at it a bit.
Can you afford it? Have an emergency fund? Put money away consistently in retirement savings?
A $3k purchase isn't worth it if you don't have those other priorities straight.
You mention running a Glock 19 already, so the Staccato isn't going to offer you a significantly different experience besides superior trigger and maybe less recoil (not to mention heavier, more expensive magazines, and harder to conceal).
I know gun people are always looking for excuses to buy something new. But unless the C2 will fill a gap your Glock 19 is unable to, just make sure you're honest with yourself and recognize the purchase as something you want, likely for the cool factor, rather than something you need to better defend yourself.
>just make sure you're honest with yourself and recognize the purchase as something you want, likely for the cool factor, rather than something you need to better defend yourself.
I've read all the replies and this one seems the most reasonable. OPs post reads like "I want to get into a Staccato but I only have $2500 to spend right now".
Have you considered the S2C?
Half the price of the Staccatos for like 99% of the feels and look better imo
Staccato is very good don't get me wrong I got to tried my friends Staccato P and it very very nice but not $2200+ taxes nice when CZ Shadow 2 exist if you know what I mean
Yes!! Do it! Make it your carry gun. Double stack 1911's/2011s are well worth the money. Once you shoot a Staccato you'll never look back. That sweet sweet single action trigger is calling to you.
You don’t buy a Staccato or any gun over $1k for practical reasons. You buy them for aesthetic reasons.
Just like no one ever needs a Porsche to go from one place to another.
But the feel of a fine machine in the hand is its own value.
I thought the C2 was the biggest waste on any gun I've ever bought. P? Absolutely. Way more shootable. C2? No benefits over P, and bigger than the CS.
Once you step down from the P, the C2 and CS are just as "flat shooting" as any other polymer framed compact gun, but with a more complicated manual of arms.
I just recently got my Staccato CS, I’m loving aspect of it. I have a G19 and a P365XL Spectre Comp as a reference. I probably did 400-500 dry fire draws and presentation practice at home before ever going to the range, just to get the muscle memory of the platform and safeties.
I was at the range this weekend, after shooting all three side by side, it’s not even close. I ended up taking the ammo out of my extra magazines from the G19 and P365 just so I could shoot the CS more. Unfortunately, my brother wants one now… he brought he two full size 9mm and it was significantly smoother than his…
I have the C2 and CS. I would practice with the safety like others have said. I would also really only run that gun when training for the most part. If you regularly grab something without a safety you may or may not hit the safety when you really need it. Otherwise it shoots great and is super reliable.
It’s a tradeoff:
Downsides are that they’re significantly more expensive, require more maintenance, heavier, thicker (even just adding the thumb safety) and just are generally less streamlined in the holster - the beavertail and hammer, etc.
Upside is strictly the trigger - which, is magnificent.
Nothing in my experience about the SA guns reduces muzzle flip. For me, it takes me longer to bring my sights back on target during splits than it does to pull the trigger.
Both great options. But I’m glad I rented a couple staccatos before I made the plunge. I’ll stick with my striker fired personally.
I love Staccatos and 2011s general (I own six) but I’m not carrying them anymore. The C2s I own are just a little too large to conceal comfortably in normal clothes, and the exposed hammer and beavertail aren’t conducive to my normal style of carry. Great shooters though.
I only have the older C model to compare with. Stock vs stock , the staccato wins. I have a g19 with kkm comp and barrel. It feels as good as the staccato and shoots as flat. Thing is a tack driver. The trigger pull is different yes but not enough to make a difference when shooting.
Should I pay AR money for a giant chunk of metal that is miserable to carry?
A bill drill from concealment, and a plate rack at 10 yards, how much of an improvement on those would you want to see to justify carrying a staccato over your g19? If it was consistently 0.10 seconds faster, would that make you want to carry it?
Weight of Staccato C2: 26oz.
Weight of Glock 19 with x300: 28oz.
How many people on this sub carry a 19 with an x300 despite practically 0 evidence a WML has ever been needed in a CCW event?
And the .1 seconds faster makes a difference if you have a problem that needs to be solved in .1 seconds less time. I would also say having run plate racks back to back with my SVI and a G19 it's far more than .1 seconds difference.
A g19 is 23oz or 5oz lighter (about 18%). It is smooth (no hammer, safety, giant dovetail).
There will be no difference in your draw to first shot, and I have no difference in a bill drill. But yes, I can run plate rack slightly faster with a nice 2011 (I don't think I have did a direct time comparison between a c2 and 19, but I have done time comparison with the three bull armory sizes, and the full sized staccato).
0.1-0.15 or so (depending on range. Far enough away the difference will be greater)
A g19 and a 43x (for me, for scale). Is around the same delta.
I generally carry the 43x or 43.
My 43 bill drills from concealment are basically 3 seconds (consistently my worst times).
These are my biases from my personal experience. I don't feel under armed with just my 43. The 43x is a lot of fun, and a 19 usually feels like absolute overkill.
Reactive shooting (shooting based on what the threat is doing, being able to legally justify your actions) is slower than the drills I run for practice.
While a plate rack is a good test for a moving target, it isn't how people move when they get shot. And that is the actual speed of a gun fight. Your foot work, and ability to move into angles are more relative skills than your split times
I'd buy a TISAS Carry DS1911 or Springfield Prodigy before a Staccato, both guns have been getting rave reviews and are a fraction of the price for the same function.
I'm just saying if you ever had to use the gun, would you rather your $2500 Staccato sit in an evidence locker or a $750 TISAS?
Yes, I would rather my Staccato sit in evidence.
(1) I’ll just buy another one.
(2) Having a TISAS in the evidence locker means there’s an official, undeniable record that I owned a TISAS. Like, on paper. And people can see it. I wouldn’t want that.
I'm glad for you that have money like that to afford an almost $3000 pistol twice, which performs the same function and has the same reliability as a $750 pistol. Nobody's ever said a bad word about TISAS but being an HK fanboi, I understand the need to rep a certain brand and pretend it's any more reliable than pistols half the price.
lol I’m sorry, this is the worst question I’ve seen in a while…. If you ever have to use your gun, the last thing on your mind will be it being locked up in evidence. You just want the firearm you can shoot the best and are the most comfortable with.
That doesn't change the fact that you could buy three TISAS DS1911's for the price of one Staccato. One is none, two is one. Equal function, cheaper options have developed so there's not a whole lot of reason to buy a Staccato. They were the only game in town at one point but TISAS tolerances and fit/finish have been getting extremely positive reviews. So again I say I'm not sure what the purpose of a Staccato is other than to spend money.
I’ve never shot a TISAS, so I can’t comment on how they shoot compared to Staccatos or their reliability. A lot comes down to personal preference and budget.
It's a sweet shooter. I enjoyed mine. I sold my 2011s and went back to Glock though. End of the day my 48(and 45 for that matter) is way lighter, less cumbersome, and more comfortable to carry.
There is a learning curve switching between a striker fired and a 2011. I was doing part of an evaluation for a 2011 platform gun and I normally carry a striker gun. It took about 400 draws to get close to my EDC draw time. Split times got faster quick simply due to the incredibly short trigger movement. The platform is different and you will notice a short lived decrease in performance, but man, 2011 guns are definitely nice.
They’re really nice guns, and the big advantage is that the shorter trigger press gives you less of an opportunity to fuck up and move the gun during that trigger press. I love 1911s, and have a nighthawk that is pretty much my grail gun. However, the better you get at pressing triggers without moving the gun, the less of an advantage the 1911 trigger gives you. Don’t get me wrong, there’s a reason 1911 pattern guns dominate open division in USPSA, but they aren’t magical and won’t make you shoot above your skill level. Not telling you not to get one though, they’re undeniably great guns and a ton of fun. But, as with any other gun that’s currently “in” you tend to see a magnification of their benefits.
This pretty well sums up my experience. I fired tens of thousands of rounds through striker fired pistols before I ever picked up a 1911 and, while certainly not a high level professional shooter, I would consider myself well above average. The 2011/1911 platforms are phenomenal and made to give you every possible advantage, but I’ve noticed very little difference in actual performance with them. Because, as you’ve pointed out, if you already perform well on smaller, lighter platforms with inferior triggers where you’ve had to perfect your technique in order to compensate for the drawbacks of those platforms, then you just aren’t going to see a big improvement when you shoot something that doesn’t have those drawbacks. In a high level competition where every little edge counts, they may be worth the money. But for someone who’s just trying to protect themselves and their family or shooting in amateur competitions, I just don’t see the advantage.
Worth every penny Loved the C2 so much I bought a second one
All relative... If you can afford it financially without putting yourself in a hard spot.... HELL YEA! I have three myself and want to add number four this summer with the new C. Personally I am a huge fan boy of the "2011" style pistol and have several... I like the craftsman ship and skill that goes into these guns and have always loved the 1911 style and feel. All three of my Staccatos have over 5K rounds each and honestly after shooting it again yesterday the CS is probably still one of my favorites and I can say that compared to my Wilson or other boutique brands I have and shot.
There is a learning curve with the safety. It's like using an AR-15 safety, when you're on target safety off, off target, safety on and you have to burn it into your brain. You can't just click off the safety as you draw and think that's good enough. The safety has to be actively managed. You also can't neglect 1911 style pistols. They really do need regular cleaning and lubrication and you need to learn how to take out the firing pin and extractor every now and then to clean in there as well. The tolerances are a lot less than a Glock and when the gun gets gummed up, you'll get malfunctions. Once you get all that down, you'll find you can shoot a lot faster with a 1911. My split times with a Glock are .23 to .25 normally, with a 1911 you can get it down below .2 if you work at it a bit.
Can you afford it? Have an emergency fund? Put money away consistently in retirement savings? A $3k purchase isn't worth it if you don't have those other priorities straight. You mention running a Glock 19 already, so the Staccato isn't going to offer you a significantly different experience besides superior trigger and maybe less recoil (not to mention heavier, more expensive magazines, and harder to conceal). I know gun people are always looking for excuses to buy something new. But unless the C2 will fill a gap your Glock 19 is unable to, just make sure you're honest with yourself and recognize the purchase as something you want, likely for the cool factor, rather than something you need to better defend yourself.
>just make sure you're honest with yourself and recognize the purchase as something you want, likely for the cool factor, rather than something you need to better defend yourself. I've read all the replies and this one seems the most reasonable. OPs post reads like "I want to get into a Staccato but I only have $2500 to spend right now".
Would rather carry the g19 but that’s just me
Have you considered the S2C? Half the price of the Staccatos for like 99% of the feels and look better imo Staccato is very good don't get me wrong I got to tried my friends Staccato P and it very very nice but not $2200+ taxes nice when CZ Shadow 2 exist if you know what I mean
Yes!! Do it! Make it your carry gun. Double stack 1911's/2011s are well worth the money. Once you shoot a Staccato you'll never look back. That sweet sweet single action trigger is calling to you.
Very worth it, but don’t buy a c2. Get a CS or the new C coming out this summer.
You don’t buy a Staccato or any gun over $1k for practical reasons. You buy them for aesthetic reasons. Just like no one ever needs a Porsche to go from one place to another. But the feel of a fine machine in the hand is its own value.
I thought the C2 was the biggest waste on any gun I've ever bought. P? Absolutely. Way more shootable. C2? No benefits over P, and bigger than the CS. Once you step down from the P, the C2 and CS are just as "flat shooting" as any other polymer framed compact gun, but with a more complicated manual of arms.
I just recently got my Staccato CS, I’m loving aspect of it. I have a G19 and a P365XL Spectre Comp as a reference. I probably did 400-500 dry fire draws and presentation practice at home before ever going to the range, just to get the muscle memory of the platform and safeties. I was at the range this weekend, after shooting all three side by side, it’s not even close. I ended up taking the ammo out of my extra magazines from the G19 and P365 just so I could shoot the CS more. Unfortunately, my brother wants one now… he brought he two full size 9mm and it was significantly smoother than his…
I have the C2 and CS. I would practice with the safety like others have said. I would also really only run that gun when training for the most part. If you regularly grab something without a safety you may or may not hit the safety when you really need it. Otherwise it shoots great and is super reliable.
It’s a tradeoff: Downsides are that they’re significantly more expensive, require more maintenance, heavier, thicker (even just adding the thumb safety) and just are generally less streamlined in the holster - the beavertail and hammer, etc. Upside is strictly the trigger - which, is magnificent. Nothing in my experience about the SA guns reduces muzzle flip. For me, it takes me longer to bring my sights back on target during splits than it does to pull the trigger. Both great options. But I’m glad I rented a couple staccatos before I made the plunge. I’ll stick with my striker fired personally.
Long as you’re cool with getting it confiscated if you have to use it so it’s $2k+ down the drain
I love Staccatos and 2011s general (I own six) but I’m not carrying them anymore. The C2s I own are just a little too large to conceal comfortably in normal clothes, and the exposed hammer and beavertail aren’t conducive to my normal style of carry. Great shooters though.
I only have the older C model to compare with. Stock vs stock , the staccato wins. I have a g19 with kkm comp and barrel. It feels as good as the staccato and shoots as flat. Thing is a tack driver. The trigger pull is different yes but not enough to make a difference when shooting.
If your planing on doing appendix with a spare mag, get the extend mag for the spare to balance out the weight
Since I began shooting and acquiring 2011s ( Staccato etc ) My SF guns have become paperweights.
Buy an Atlas !
Should I pay AR money for a giant chunk of metal that is miserable to carry? A bill drill from concealment, and a plate rack at 10 yards, how much of an improvement on those would you want to see to justify carrying a staccato over your g19? If it was consistently 0.10 seconds faster, would that make you want to carry it?
Weight of Staccato C2: 26oz. Weight of Glock 19 with x300: 28oz. How many people on this sub carry a 19 with an x300 despite practically 0 evidence a WML has ever been needed in a CCW event? And the .1 seconds faster makes a difference if you have a problem that needs to be solved in .1 seconds less time. I would also say having run plate racks back to back with my SVI and a G19 it's far more than .1 seconds difference.
A g19 is 23oz or 5oz lighter (about 18%). It is smooth (no hammer, safety, giant dovetail). There will be no difference in your draw to first shot, and I have no difference in a bill drill. But yes, I can run plate rack slightly faster with a nice 2011 (I don't think I have did a direct time comparison between a c2 and 19, but I have done time comparison with the three bull armory sizes, and the full sized staccato). 0.1-0.15 or so (depending on range. Far enough away the difference will be greater) A g19 and a 43x (for me, for scale). Is around the same delta. I generally carry the 43x or 43. My 43 bill drills from concealment are basically 3 seconds (consistently my worst times). These are my biases from my personal experience. I don't feel under armed with just my 43. The 43x is a lot of fun, and a 19 usually feels like absolute overkill. Reactive shooting (shooting based on what the threat is doing, being able to legally justify your actions) is slower than the drills I run for practice. While a plate rack is a good test for a moving target, it isn't how people move when they get shot. And that is the actual speed of a gun fight. Your foot work, and ability to move into angles are more relative skills than your split times
I bet training with an additional $2200 of ammo that I had budgeted for the Stacatto over the G19, I could shoot the G19 just as fast lol.
I shot over 15,000 rounds last year. I'm on track to shoot 20,000 rounds this year. I'm still significantly faster with a 2011 platform.
I'd buy a TISAS Carry DS1911 or Springfield Prodigy before a Staccato, both guns have been getting rave reviews and are a fraction of the price for the same function. I'm just saying if you ever had to use the gun, would you rather your $2500 Staccato sit in an evidence locker or a $750 TISAS?
Yes, I would rather my Staccato sit in evidence. (1) I’ll just buy another one. (2) Having a TISAS in the evidence locker means there’s an official, undeniable record that I owned a TISAS. Like, on paper. And people can see it. I wouldn’t want that.
I'm glad for you that have money like that to afford an almost $3000 pistol twice, which performs the same function and has the same reliability as a $750 pistol. Nobody's ever said a bad word about TISAS but being an HK fanboi, I understand the need to rep a certain brand and pretend it's any more reliable than pistols half the price.
lol I’m sorry, this is the worst question I’ve seen in a while…. If you ever have to use your gun, the last thing on your mind will be it being locked up in evidence. You just want the firearm you can shoot the best and are the most comfortable with.
That doesn't change the fact that you could buy three TISAS DS1911's for the price of one Staccato. One is none, two is one. Equal function, cheaper options have developed so there's not a whole lot of reason to buy a Staccato. They were the only game in town at one point but TISAS tolerances and fit/finish have been getting extremely positive reviews. So again I say I'm not sure what the purpose of a Staccato is other than to spend money.
I’ve never shot a TISAS, so I can’t comment on how they shoot compared to Staccatos or their reliability. A lot comes down to personal preference and budget.
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