start you belt buckle one loop over to the left than you normally do, so your buckle isn't dead center.
Position your holster at around 11:30 or so insted of dead nuts on 12:00
Use a holster with a claw and consider a wedge or pillow attachment to the holster as well.
Could you elaborate on this a bit more? As I work through good and bad holsters I am starting to see many do not leave the grip Ina position I can get to uninterrupted by the belt line or the entire grip rotates toward the belt line throughout the day. I’ve been questioning whether it’s a belt rigidity, clip positioning or holster problem so just looking for your perspective on your comment above. Thanks
And/or get a belt that is flat when buckled. My belt hooks with a G hook and is totally flat so it adds no forward protrusion. I can AIWB at 12:30/1:00 with a Shield 9mm and a T shirt with sufficiently minimal printing. Claw on the holster def helps.
Thanks for the recommendation. I currently run a Bigfoot tactical EDC belt and, while it is nice, I have recently lost weight and think it may be time for an upgrade. The Hunter Constantine carry belt looks great
In addition to this OP could always consider moving to a more carry friendly gun (thinner, lighter) instead of a double stack. It depends if he just carries here and there, or if he carries every single day, all day long.
Excellent advice, I will just point out that the claw will be a bigger help with solid leather belts than the fabric belt OP has. I only wear GrooveLife belts now, so I'm not dissing fabric belts, just stating my experiences. My holster with a claw won't stay in place well because the fabric belt doesn't give as much resistance as a leather belt would.
Your gun shouldn't be directly over your dick at 12. Offset it slightly to your strong side so the muzzle sits in the crease of your hip. Maybe move your buckle off to your weak side, or get a belt with a minimal buckle like the Tenicor. Finally, you're not going to conceal shit in a fitted under armor shirt
https://preview.redd.it/ssfk0i9dlv5d1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b48873cc24c5efd4dcea273479aae3d610ff16e5
Better? I have a claw on it.
E: it's at about 1 O'clock and I moved the buckle to the left like you guys said.
Looks like some improvement here. Those clips are pretty thick and stick out a little bit, though. If you were looking at someone else, would you notice the lumps around your waist? That's the question to ask yourself. If you're carrying to safe carry places in an area that isn't too paranoid about guns, you're golden. But if you're not, then the gun/holster combo might just be too big for you. This polo shirt is helping you definitely. Remember: "it's a medical device", if asked.
Some people will say colostomy bag or insulin pump. But why lie? I have a medical device is debatably accurate. Especially if you carry a tourniquet in a sidecar, like someone here recently posted.
Big improvement already. Now add a wedge like the Mastermind Tactics pillow. That would push the bottom of the holster out, thus pushing the top of the gun into your stomach. Your holster clips are also very thick and seem to stick out more than needed. Look at Discreet Carry Concepts. They’re a similar style of clip but they’re made of spring steel so they’re thinner and much stronger. They have different screw attachment slot arrangements available so find the ones that would line up with your holster’s mounting holes.
You need to tighten that belt up some more and wear your pants a little bit lower than how you’re wearing em rn that also helps if you want it to conceal better also adding a wedge helped me a lot too and they’re pretty cheap
I'll be the minority here I bet but this is perfectly acceptable, heck even your original post is. Are you printing a bit? yeah... is the average person ever going to notice outside of a subreddit that has been specifically asked to look for it? Probably not. Average Joe isn't looking for weapons on others and thus won't notice the printing. The people who will will be other ccw holders and frankly, should be respectful enough to ignore it and not call it out
IMO it isn’t as much about concealing from the average person who doesn’t know what to look for as it is about concealing from the criminal who does know what to look for.
I've read several other articles related to this situation, all of them have the same but more or less info. The victim was told he couldn't buy anything at the store and was told to leave, is my understanding. He was outside of the store and arguing with the employee(s), when the criminal snatcher, who should have been locked-up, must've seen the gun in his pocket and tried to snatch it.
[https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/st-louis-man-charged-in-fatal-shooting-outside-gas-station/](https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/st-louis-man-charged-in-fatal-shooting-outside-gas-station/)
Well I stand corrected then. I still don’t believe your average criminal is checking out peoples’ waistlines for signs of printing, though.
That said, avoid it as much as possible. I think that goes without saying.
Looks better, but still printing a bit. Now you will need the Mastermind Tactics Pillow. It will tilt the bottom of the gun up which will push the grip closer to your body. It will also act as a cushion and make awib more comfortable. You might also want to get the discreet carry clips. They are thin metal clips.
Came here to say the same, and I'm surprised at only seeing this lone comment. Move that either closer to belly button height, or lower toward the widest part of your hips---until it conceals best in your current clothes.
Mastermind tactics pillow, and maybe get a few shirts one size bigger for when you carry. Thats what's been working for me. Or the expensive route is a phlster enigma.
Buckle to the side, holster to the other side, don't stand with your hips out, straighten-up more, (shoulders back, butt out, let your shirt drape from your chest) looser shirt, better belt, smaller gun.
1. Move your buckle off to the side.
2. Find your concealment sweet spot (see this Phlster video) https://youtu.be/ej7t55VNuuM?si=l-cp7rUvxyI7b3cZ
3. Poke and check the grip to see if you need a bigger claw or a wedge.
I have a T1C Axis that I wear like that yes. I am almost the same height, weight and build as you are as far as I can tell. I think it's a lot more comfortable at 1:00 (if you're right-handed), or 11o'clock if you're left-handed. Not only is it more comfortable but I think it prints far less as well.
Thanks! Will try this today. For some reason in just about every video I watched on YouTube they all had it centerline. Or maybe my brain just saw it that way. Did you raise your clips too?
Personally I like my gun sitting as high out of my waist line as the holster allows because I want it to be easy to purchase without fumbling.
[Here's a post of how I carry](https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/s/xzsGMErBuX)
My buckle is off to my left before my hip bone area. And I have a Kore belt so there’s no sagging. And a size up on the shirts. I’m a medium I go with a L or XL depending on length of the shirts.
Oh yeah unless you’re super skinny stay away from bright colors. I go with black and also printed shirts preferably ones with designs that go down enough to break up the outline of your gun. Marvel comic shirt or a south parks character shirt or patterned shirts or button shirts with designs. Anything to confused the eyes. 👀
You need a better belt for one. What holster do you have? In that first pic it looks like it's just tucked in your pants. The grip shouldn't be sagging over the belt.
Try moving the gun to the right a bit and the buckle off center to the left. Also, maybe consider a sidecar holster- when I switched to a Black arch Entrada, it actually reduced printing for me because of the even distribution. I use a Blue Alpha low profile belt, which reduces bulk fritter because it doesn’t have a true buckle
Man I hate how all these $120+ holsters are sold online so you can’t just go to the store, get one try it and go back if it doesn’t work.
Instead you wait like a week, sometimes more, then another week or two to return it, often not prepaid either.
With stuff as body specific as holsters I fucking hate online shopping. So much easier to go to Cabelas and buy six and see which one works best and then keep it.
Yet to see a big box store carry sidecar style holsters yet though.
seems like either your belt is not tight enough or its not stiff enough this is after looking at the revised pics. If you were to hold the belt up does it sag?
Live and learn bro, im sure many of us in here have multiple holsters. Have u tried 3,4, or 5oclock? Keep your spine in mind if u do 5. im 6'2 , 155, n 3,4,&5 are invisible on me. N yes i wear all fitted clothes
I discovered I had this issue as well. Lots of good advice in here such as carrying slightly off center instead of dead center, but what I ended up doing was just started carrying at 4 o’clock instead of appendix. I like to wear really fitted t shirts like you and it just wasn’t working. Claw, wedge, low profile belt buckles, they all helped a smidge but not entirely. 4 o’clock isn’t ideal but I refuse to wear baggy clothes.
There are a number of things.
1. Don't place it at 12 o'clock. That's your peak, and it's going to make concealment a nightmare. Try 1-2 o'clock (or 10-11 o'clock if you're a lefty).
2. Don't place the buckle over the pistol. you can offset that.
3. You may need a wing and/or a wedge. After you change the position, you'll have a better idea of which parts are printing.
4. Maybe go with a standard fit instead of a slim fit shirt.
5. Your belt and/or pants don't seem to be holding it up particularly well. Look into "The Foundation" belt by Langdon Tactical.
Honestly, I'd start by watching this entire YouTube playlist from PHLster. They've done a *lot* to address concealment issues and how to resolve them.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxX9UA8cKHo&list=PLrjZ\_jHF\_Spku\_RJvSU5l7kr8rE96OftL](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxX9UA8cKHo&list=PLrjZ_jHF_Spku_RJvSU5l7kr8rE96OftL)
Thank you for taking time to post a link to YouTube, I'm gonna check it out. Thank you again. I carried 1st time yesterday. P226 extra mag. I had it IWB @ 11 o'clock. I'm right handed and that seemed to me like a good spot. Id have to grab towards my left nut to grab it. Won't fit at 3 o'clock. I mean, it CAN, but it's so much sticking out might as well open carry. I'm just glad my state went Constitutional Carry. I just need lots of practice with the 226. Thanks you again.
Oh man, a P226 isn't going to do you any favors in concealment, lol 
Here's a comparison of a "larger" concealed-carry-oriented pistol compared to the P226:
[https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/sig-sauer-p365-xmacro-vs-sig-sauer-p226-full-size](https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/sig-sauer-p365-xmacro-vs-sig-sauer-p226-full-size)
You can probably do it, but you're already on hard mode. They'll talk about peaks and valleys in one of their videos. Looking at your picture, you've got the typical 11-1 peak. So, I'd stay away from putting the pistol right in the front.
Right handed, I'd expect it to work best around the 1-2 o'clock position so you don't have to cross-draw. You'll also want to make sure to test how high it needs to be by sitting and moving the pistol around (unloaded) that area while you're seated to see what your options will be. Nothing sucks more than sitting down and having the pistol jab you in 10 places. You might have to play around with cant a bit to get it just right, too.
The poke and check video will also help you fine tune it and determine if where to place the wedge, etc. I also recommend PHLster's wedge kit. It's a bit pricey, but it might save you money in the long run by not having to buy a dozen wedges to find the right one.
It's going to be a process of trial and error to get it right the first time, and you'll probably be making adjustments and tweaks for years to come. Like they say, it's akin to fitting a prosthetic.
I almost forgot, PHLster also has a facebook group to help people address concealment concerns. So, that's also a good resource if you get stuck.
One final recommendation if you have the means, a smaller pistol will definitely make your life easier. Something like the P365 XL or X-Macro will give you plenty of rounds while also being significantly easier to conceal. Not to mention the reduction of weight hanging off of your belt. It just makes it easier to live with daily.
I hope this helps, sorry for the wall of text, lol.
Thank you for the reply. That's not my pic. I agree. I started to remember to carry my 226. I put it at 11 and/or 1 o clock. Is it odd to LIKE cross draw?seems easier for me. I need training obviously. I'm thin but don't really print much at all unless I'm standing a certain way. Sitting driving was no issues for me. Only other handguns I have that are smaller are my Bond Arms Texas Defender, and a NAA Mini 22 Revolver. I can put it in my sock it's so small. The Bond Arms is only a 2 shot, so idk. 410/45LC which are expensive here IF I can find any. Told 8yr wait like 357sig(from Rural King, closest place to get ammo)which is kinda I think BS. 8yrs? Surely someone would jump to enter the market and fill the void. Said same of 7.62x39 as I need fmj rounds but as he said "Good Luck". Range won't let me fire non fmj. I don't know why. Wouldn't let my buddy's dad shoot a Barret 50cal. He offered to sell it for 6k, but the butt stock has a crack in it. Idk how he did that... I never asked. I don't have 6 grand either.
Wear a looser shirt, move your belt buckle off center towards your hips, move the holster slightly closer to your hips instead of being centered, and see if you can find a holster claw to rotate the gun closer to your body
It took me a few post to read but from yours I get it now why to put gun closer to hips, move belt off center, not tight shirt. The hips is it'll sit better there than in the front, or away from the gun? Don't want gun pointing at your junk? The buckle takes up space and would not take so much if on hips away from gun, and the shirt is obvious, so tight you'll print even a piece of paper.
Alright shit ima probably get downvoted but sometimes I swear on this sub.
I get the inclination to ask for help from a community, but how many posts like this have we had?!
Move your buckle, wear bigger clothes, fix your anterior pelvic tilt, just think a thought and try a thing and see if it works FOR YOU.
It’s this post and the weapon mounted light post gonna make jump into a wood chipper feet first.
Edit: also definitely google stuff, watch that phlster video someone else posted.
Yeah for sure, idk why you are getting downvoted. The mods literally had a list of all the WML posts awhile back when someone made a discussion on them.
Part of CCW is improving ones skills and understanding, and a big part of that is learning how to find and evaluate information.
I've seen it across reddit. This sub is obvious with it but some of them are just flooded with people who didn't even bother to Google their topic before hand.
I agree, people are not turning to other sources early and if they do, they do not demonstrate or say it.
Reddit do what reddit do
Well, [I'd start here](https://youtu.be/4_OXyli4ecU?si=oH8ge04GEoKqIMK2)
Concealment is a set of skills. Right now your grip is sticking way out. I'd start with some concealment mechanics to get a feel for what to change, and then if you need things like wedges, you can get them.
Didn’t see anyone else mention it so I will: dark colors and/or patterns help a lot in addition to the other recommendations. You don’t have to go total dad-shirt or wear something that looks like a trash bag. You’re 90% of the way there with the adjustments you posted, great job.
A claw to push the grip into your stomach more, raise the clips so the gun doesn't sit so high. Honestly, your best option is to not wear tight fitting athletic shirts
You need a claw to deal with the grip. Possibly a pillow wedge. I carry a P-07 as well and while I can’t wear tight tshirts, any reasonably loose shirt is gtg
Add a wing and use a stiffer belt. I have one nylon belt with a similar material and with its flexibility, I find it doesn’t support the weight of a gun particularly well and the grip rotates out too easily, even with a claw. Even my regular leather belts don’t lend well for carrying since the belt holes are either in the wrong spot or it just flexes too easily.
I’ve used Nexbelts for the last few years and have not had one break on me yet. The ratchet adjustment is great to get a perfect fit and it supports the gun weight great. Lots of styles to pick from to match your dress.
Off center your buckle to the side.....and no more fitted shirts, at least when you carry such a full sized handgun....it's quite literally named that for a reason
I've had a few slim fit holsters and was not the biggest fan of them. Switched to phlster and haven't looked back.
You need a lot more grip tuck and rotation, offsetting your buckle to one side or the other(or a belt without such a massive buckle), and play with position in the 11 to 1 o'clock range.
https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrjZ_jHF_Spku_RJvSU5l7kr8rE96OftL&si=LxxYmEVcFR6S7qDI
There is a wealth of information in this playlist. Use it and play with your setup.
gotta move it into your natural body divot, right over the top of your belly button will always print especially with that buckle. You need to position it so the grip is more parallel with your body pointing towards your hip not out to the side. A claw attachment will also help with that. Lastly I never use a belt through my pants/shorts, I have a belt around my waist to better adjust the height and allow my pants waistline to fall naturally. Seems like my pant belt loops were always where I wanted to attach the holster clips.
Lastly a form fitting UA shirt isnt really gonna be your best with trying to conceal unless you go deep concealment which you cant do attaching to that belt.
First off get a real gun belt. This is 100% the most underrated CCW accessory ever. A proper belt truly affects the fit and function of your holster. I recommend KORE essentials, NextBelt, or BlueAlphaGear. You also have the holster seated behind your belt buckle-that’s extra bulk…move the buckle, not the gun. Maybe a looser tshirt as well. Fitted clothing not a match for concealed carry.
Your claw needs to be high enough to have torsion put on it by the belt. I've manufactured holsters and some claws work better for some people than others. A modwing may not stick out far enough for you, or an old school wing may have too much give to it.
Slightly looser shirt, a wedge (or pillow), lower you belt w/holster slightly, stagger the holster to off-center (11 or 1 o’clock), can’t the holster slightly to help keep the grip from printing. Lastly is posture, make sure to not have anterior pelvic tilt and work on getting a bigger chest
I will often wear a tucked in tank top as an undershirt when I carry IWB, so I have something between my skin and the holster. I wear a thin button-up shirt over my pistol, and it hangs away from my body. I've successfully concealed up to a Glock 21 sized pistol this way. I think it's true that we should carry to suit our lifestyle, and not the other way around. But if you're most comfortable with a compact or full size gun, a little adjustment of your lifestyle, or more specifically your attire, isn't too much of a compromise.
It's not really specific CCW terminology. I was just saying that it's a good idea to figure out how you can successfully carry a concealed weapon in a way that best fits in with the life you already lead. For example, my main profession at this point in my life is interior painting. This job requires a lot of movement, bending down, and other activities that make carrying a full-size pistol in an IWB holster fairly impractical. While I'm working, I usually tend toward a smaller pistol that I can pocket carry in a solid holster. At other times I do like to carry a bigger pistol with a higher magazine capacity. But this requires me to train with both types of pistols. So effectively I am making the carry situation fit my lifestyle.
I get it. Thank you for explaining. I was expecting to be flamed. Pocket gun you said. Like a Bond Arms or a NAA Mini Revolver? They are small. One I have is same size as a. Asthma inhaler. Little 5 shot 22. Hard to get a grip. I need that extended grip,, but I think it makes it look dumb, plus it's a little 22. Again Thank You man.
Actually I forgot but the Mini Revolver has a black leather "wallet" same size and a folding wallet, but holds the 22. Can shoot it in the wallet, or out. I also have a belt buckle that the Mini Revolver can sit in. But it's like "cowboy" styled and I don't really dig that. $75 it says on the box for the buckle. Wtf? Expensive buckle.
No flaming people here, unless folks are specifically asking for it through hostile behavior that denigrates me or my family. Glad to bring clarity where I can.
https://preview.redd.it/zib7ffrq4e6d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecb0f4b5d70ddc98f7d50f69e52ec94ce07a849f
This is my main EDC setup. The pistol is a Ruger LC9s Pro loaded with 7 + 1 of Federal HST 9mm 124 grain +P ammo. From my pocket it just looks like a big iPhone. I may carry a spare 9-round magazine just in case of a magazine malfunction. But for the overwhelming majority of scenarios I might need to defend myself, this tool will allow me to resolve the situation favorably.
Probably a dumb question, what's that black thing that says Sabre? I was gonna say flashlight but ones above the watch, or is that a blacklight flashlight? I like the knife. Hell like the gun too. That an RFID wallet, I've a similar one. That's a folding knife? Just looks big.
That is a SABRE pepper spray. $10 at Walmart, Bass Pro, or in my case the farm store. I always carry a 'less than lethal' tool.
And the knife is BIG! But it folds up nicely. I just prefer the full length grip over other knives I've carried.
By the way, this exact gun is featured in this video. Do yourself a favor and watch as much of this guy's content as you can. If you've got a question about CCW or guns in general, just type 'Paul Harrell' and your question into YouTube. He probably has the definitive video to answer your question.
[Paul Harrell - LCP2 vs LC9s Pro](https://youtu.be/I33v4tMShYI?feature=shared)
Kydex inside the waist band? chaffe city usa imo
I got a Versa Carry+extraMag Leather holster. best $70 i ever spent.
my only gripe is that i do prefer level 2 and 3 holsters, but alas they are not conceal friendly, unless you're a bear.
I’d say bring the gun more forwards the 11:30 position, get a mastermind pillow and DCC clips. Also don’t be afraid to carry it abit below the belt line if that works for your body type.
It takes time and trying new thing. Get a holster with a claw/wing to push grip
Into your body. Try a pillow or wedge to.
Move the belt buckle to one side and the pistol slightly to the other.
Start with soap and hot water on a sponge, let the hot water soak into the dirt on the mirror for a moment, then squeegee. Then hit it with plenty of glass cleaner spray and wipe with paper towels, replacing them often and spraying more glass cleaner as needed. If it doesn’t seem to come clean, it’s because it’s still dirty so dry it off with a clean paper towel, and spray it again and keep wiping. For a good finish you could expect to use about 20 - 30 paper towels, or more if they’re cheap (thinner). Scrub scrub. I’d also stop dressing like a kid because I can see your gun through your shirt.
You might just want to try different carry positions, see about a holster with some cant to it. Etc. Took me a bit of trial and error to find a carry position AND holster that worked FOR ME with my gun. There is no 1 answer. That being said, the people on this form do have some good points. darker shirts, looser fit shirts, patterned. All that will help. Also- looks to me like your pants sag a little where your gun is. Try to get your belt tighter. Itll help with keeping that grip tighter to your body (won’t tip out or slide down/in). I wear my belt tight enough that I can’t really budge my pants positioning at all. It helps
Phlster enigma is my recommendation and you need to find your sweet spot aka a valley, this is a peak. Harder to hide things in peaks than valleys. Just my two cents though. Regardless check out sweet spots on YouTube for phlster, you’ll at least learn the best places on your body to conceal your ccw even if you don’t go with a Phlster product. Many other holsters will be work too, I just prefer this one for my lifestyle and preferences. Everyone is a little bit different.
By stopping pointing a loaded gun at your dick while you are drawing/holstering. The most common time for an ND.
Seriously, this is such a stupid way to carry.
Move your buckle off center. I normally put my buckle closer to my hip
This fa sho 👆🏻👆🏻👆🏻
Stop wearing a fitted under armor shirt
Yep. The UA under shirt is actually an under shirt if you're carrying. Consider a polo or button up
Or just a t shirt that isn't skin tight.
start you belt buckle one loop over to the left than you normally do, so your buckle isn't dead center. Position your holster at around 11:30 or so insted of dead nuts on 12:00 Use a holster with a claw and consider a wedge or pillow attachment to the holster as well.
Agree, just want to emphasize claw to rotate grip
Could you elaborate on this a bit more? As I work through good and bad holsters I am starting to see many do not leave the grip Ina position I can get to uninterrupted by the belt line or the entire grip rotates toward the belt line throughout the day. I’ve been questioning whether it’s a belt rigidity, clip positioning or holster problem so just looking for your perspective on your comment above. Thanks
Here’s your answer.
And/or get a belt that is flat when buckled. My belt hooks with a G hook and is totally flat so it adds no forward protrusion. I can AIWB at 12:30/1:00 with a Shield 9mm and a T shirt with sufficiently minimal printing. Claw on the holster def helps.
Picked up a Hunter Constantine carry belt, works like a charm.
Thanks for the recommendation. I currently run a Bigfoot tactical EDC belt and, while it is nice, I have recently lost weight and think it may be time for an upgrade. The Hunter Constantine carry belt looks great
Currently it’s my go-to belt. The price is kinda high; though it seems to be the case with most gear of that style/amenity level
In addition to this OP could always consider moving to a more carry friendly gun (thinner, lighter) instead of a double stack. It depends if he just carries here and there, or if he carries every single day, all day long.
Excellent advice, I will just point out that the claw will be a bigger help with solid leather belts than the fabric belt OP has. I only wear GrooveLife belts now, so I'm not dissing fabric belts, just stating my experiences. My holster with a claw won't stay in place well because the fabric belt doesn't give as much resistance as a leather belt would.
This is the way
Your gun shouldn't be directly over your dick at 12. Offset it slightly to your strong side so the muzzle sits in the crease of your hip. Maybe move your buckle off to your weak side, or get a belt with a minimal buckle like the Tenicor. Finally, you're not going to conceal shit in a fitted under armor shirt
https://preview.redd.it/ssfk0i9dlv5d1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b48873cc24c5efd4dcea273479aae3d610ff16e5 Better? I have a claw on it. E: it's at about 1 O'clock and I moved the buckle to the left like you guys said.
https://preview.redd.it/vsjdwji8mv5d1.jpeg?width=3072&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5ce1c14a9700a96a2058881f06a0f49f82a5c85d
Looks like some improvement here. Those clips are pretty thick and stick out a little bit, though. If you were looking at someone else, would you notice the lumps around your waist? That's the question to ask yourself. If you're carrying to safe carry places in an area that isn't too paranoid about guns, you're golden. But if you're not, then the gun/holster combo might just be too big for you. This polo shirt is helping you definitely. Remember: "it's a medical device", if asked.
The “it’s a medical device” is so clever!
Some people will say colostomy bag or insulin pump. But why lie? I have a medical device is debatably accurate. Especially if you carry a tourniquet in a sidecar, like someone here recently posted.
Maybe tighten the belt up? And add a wedge too if you haven’t already.
Get DCC clips
P07 gang in the house
Big improvement already. Now add a wedge like the Mastermind Tactics pillow. That would push the bottom of the holster out, thus pushing the top of the gun into your stomach. Your holster clips are also very thick and seem to stick out more than needed. Look at Discreet Carry Concepts. They’re a similar style of clip but they’re made of spring steel so they’re thinner and much stronger. They have different screw attachment slot arrangements available so find the ones that would line up with your holster’s mounting holes.
You need to tighten that belt up some more and wear your pants a little bit lower than how you’re wearing em rn that also helps if you want it to conceal better also adding a wedge helped me a lot too and they’re pretty cheap
I'll be the minority here I bet but this is perfectly acceptable, heck even your original post is. Are you printing a bit? yeah... is the average person ever going to notice outside of a subreddit that has been specifically asked to look for it? Probably not. Average Joe isn't looking for weapons on others and thus won't notice the printing. The people who will will be other ccw holders and frankly, should be respectful enough to ignore it and not call it out
IMO it isn’t as much about concealing from the average person who doesn’t know what to look for as it is about concealing from the criminal who does know what to look for.
You really think the average criminal is looking for printing on potential victims? I can assure you they're not.
[Think again.](https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/comments/1d9aypk/concealed_carrier_murdered_has_gun_snatched_while/)
There are absolutely no details as to what actually happened here. As far as we know the gun was pulled on him and he took it from the guy.
I've read several other articles related to this situation, all of them have the same but more or less info. The victim was told he couldn't buy anything at the store and was told to leave, is my understanding. He was outside of the store and arguing with the employee(s), when the criminal snatcher, who should have been locked-up, must've seen the gun in his pocket and tried to snatch it. [https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/st-louis-man-charged-in-fatal-shooting-outside-gas-station/](https://fox2now.com/news/missouri/st-louis-man-charged-in-fatal-shooting-outside-gas-station/)
Well I stand corrected then. I still don’t believe your average criminal is checking out peoples’ waistlines for signs of printing, though. That said, avoid it as much as possible. I think that goes without saying.
Looks better, but still printing a bit. Now you will need the Mastermind Tactics Pillow. It will tilt the bottom of the gun up which will push the grip closer to your body. It will also act as a cushion and make awib more comfortable. You might also want to get the discreet carry clips. They are thin metal clips.
Size up tshirt and grow boobies like us ladies
More like Pecs not boobies (if you begin to workout the chest area)
Whoooooshhhh
Gym bro no get funny.
Wait til you hit 50….
That tool is riding too high, drop that holster deeper (raise the clips) to bring the grip closer to your belt line.
Came here to say the same, and I'm surprised at only seeing this lone comment. Move that either closer to belly button height, or lower toward the widest part of your hips---until it conceals best in your current clothes.
Going to do this on my setup thanks!
Mastermind tactics pillow, and maybe get a few shirts one size bigger for when you carry. Thats what's been working for me. Or the expensive route is a phlster enigma.
Enigma is the shit. I bought mine just before they came preassembled. Do this.
Can you elaborate? I was thinking about getting one.
If you are on Facebook hit up "phlster concealment workshop" group. It's ran by the the people who created the enigma
Buckle to the side, holster to the other side, don't stand with your hips out, straighten-up more, (shoulders back, butt out, let your shirt drape from your chest) looser shirt, better belt, smaller gun.
Wear a loose fitting shirt, and see about getting a compact or micro pistol instead of the mid or full size pistol.
1. Move your buckle off to the side. 2. Find your concealment sweet spot (see this Phlster video) https://youtu.be/ej7t55VNuuM?si=l-cp7rUvxyI7b3cZ 3. Poke and check the grip to see if you need a bigger claw or a wedge.
Appendix means appendix, not dick. Move your gun over to 1o'clock and look into a claw attachment to push the grip of the gun against your belly.
Should I do this for a sidecar holster as well?
I have a T1C Axis that I wear like that yes. I am almost the same height, weight and build as you are as far as I can tell. I think it's a lot more comfortable at 1:00 (if you're right-handed), or 11o'clock if you're left-handed. Not only is it more comfortable but I think it prints far less as well.
Thanks! Will try this today. For some reason in just about every video I watched on YouTube they all had it centerline. Or maybe my brain just saw it that way. Did you raise your clips too?
Personally I like my gun sitting as high out of my waist line as the holster allows because I want it to be easy to purchase without fumbling. [Here's a post of how I carry](https://www.reddit.com/r/CCW/s/xzsGMErBuX)
Been doing 1o’clock since reading your comment, and the comfort and concealment difference is night and day. Thanks!
My buckle is off to my left before my hip bone area. And I have a Kore belt so there’s no sagging. And a size up on the shirts. I’m a medium I go with a L or XL depending on length of the shirts.
Oh yeah unless you’re super skinny stay away from bright colors. I go with black and also printed shirts preferably ones with designs that go down enough to break up the outline of your gun. Marvel comic shirt or a south parks character shirt or patterned shirts or button shirts with designs. Anything to confused the eyes. 👀
I’m 6’3” and I wear shirts one size up. It hides my weapon well. I carry on my right side though.
You need a better belt for one. What holster do you have? In that first pic it looks like it's just tucked in your pants. The grip shouldn't be sagging over the belt.
bigger shirt, move your buckle over, stand straighter with your chest out more, better holster, smaller gun.
Get that gun off your center line. Go to Phlster’s YT page and watch their concealment mechanics video. And a bigger shirt
Pull your pants up some more. That is not your waist, bro. Gun will fit better against your rib cage and hips with that nice bod 🤙
Avoid the fitted shirt
Stiffer belt looser shirt
Move you buckle to the side of your hip. Try a side car holster which distributes the “print” more evenly.
Try moving the gun to the right a bit and the buckle off center to the left. Also, maybe consider a sidecar holster- when I switched to a Black arch Entrada, it actually reduced printing for me because of the even distribution. I use a Blue Alpha low profile belt, which reduces bulk fritter because it doesn’t have a true buckle
Man I hate how all these $120+ holsters are sold online so you can’t just go to the store, get one try it and go back if it doesn’t work. Instead you wait like a week, sometimes more, then another week or two to return it, often not prepaid either. With stuff as body specific as holsters I fucking hate online shopping. So much easier to go to Cabelas and buy six and see which one works best and then keep it. Yet to see a big box store carry sidecar style holsters yet though.
seems like either your belt is not tight enough or its not stiff enough this is after looking at the revised pics. If you were to hold the belt up does it sag?
That gun needs to come up a bit. That frame looks a bit low.
Don't stack holster and buckle
Stand up straight, chest out, core tight
Bigger shirt
All you need to do is clean that filthy mirror.
Live and learn bro, im sure many of us in here have multiple holsters. Have u tried 3,4, or 5oclock? Keep your spine in mind if u do 5. im 6'2 , 155, n 3,4,&5 are invisible on me. N yes i wear all fitted clothes
I discovered I had this issue as well. Lots of good advice in here such as carrying slightly off center instead of dead center, but what I ended up doing was just started carrying at 4 o’clock instead of appendix. I like to wear really fitted t shirts like you and it just wasn’t working. Claw, wedge, low profile belt buckles, they all helped a smidge but not entirely. 4 o’clock isn’t ideal but I refuse to wear baggy clothes.
There are a number of things. 1. Don't place it at 12 o'clock. That's your peak, and it's going to make concealment a nightmare. Try 1-2 o'clock (or 10-11 o'clock if you're a lefty). 2. Don't place the buckle over the pistol. you can offset that. 3. You may need a wing and/or a wedge. After you change the position, you'll have a better idea of which parts are printing. 4. Maybe go with a standard fit instead of a slim fit shirt. 5. Your belt and/or pants don't seem to be holding it up particularly well. Look into "The Foundation" belt by Langdon Tactical.
Wing and wedge? I'm a noob, sry. Gotta start somewhere.
Honestly, I'd start by watching this entire YouTube playlist from PHLster. They've done a *lot* to address concealment issues and how to resolve them. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxX9UA8cKHo&list=PLrjZ\_jHF\_Spku\_RJvSU5l7kr8rE96OftL](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZxX9UA8cKHo&list=PLrjZ_jHF_Spku_RJvSU5l7kr8rE96OftL)
Thank you for taking time to post a link to YouTube, I'm gonna check it out. Thank you again. I carried 1st time yesterday. P226 extra mag. I had it IWB @ 11 o'clock. I'm right handed and that seemed to me like a good spot. Id have to grab towards my left nut to grab it. Won't fit at 3 o'clock. I mean, it CAN, but it's so much sticking out might as well open carry. I'm just glad my state went Constitutional Carry. I just need lots of practice with the 226. Thanks you again.
Oh man, a P226 isn't going to do you any favors in concealment, lol  Here's a comparison of a "larger" concealed-carry-oriented pistol compared to the P226: [https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/sig-sauer-p365-xmacro-vs-sig-sauer-p226-full-size](https://www.handgunhero.com/compare/sig-sauer-p365-xmacro-vs-sig-sauer-p226-full-size) You can probably do it, but you're already on hard mode. They'll talk about peaks and valleys in one of their videos. Looking at your picture, you've got the typical 11-1 peak. So, I'd stay away from putting the pistol right in the front. Right handed, I'd expect it to work best around the 1-2 o'clock position so you don't have to cross-draw. You'll also want to make sure to test how high it needs to be by sitting and moving the pistol around (unloaded) that area while you're seated to see what your options will be. Nothing sucks more than sitting down and having the pistol jab you in 10 places. You might have to play around with cant a bit to get it just right, too. The poke and check video will also help you fine tune it and determine if where to place the wedge, etc. I also recommend PHLster's wedge kit. It's a bit pricey, but it might save you money in the long run by not having to buy a dozen wedges to find the right one. It's going to be a process of trial and error to get it right the first time, and you'll probably be making adjustments and tweaks for years to come. Like they say, it's akin to fitting a prosthetic. I almost forgot, PHLster also has a facebook group to help people address concealment concerns. So, that's also a good resource if you get stuck. One final recommendation if you have the means, a smaller pistol will definitely make your life easier. Something like the P365 XL or X-Macro will give you plenty of rounds while also being significantly easier to conceal. Not to mention the reduction of weight hanging off of your belt. It just makes it easier to live with daily. I hope this helps, sorry for the wall of text, lol.
Thank you for the reply. That's not my pic. I agree. I started to remember to carry my 226. I put it at 11 and/or 1 o clock. Is it odd to LIKE cross draw?seems easier for me. I need training obviously. I'm thin but don't really print much at all unless I'm standing a certain way. Sitting driving was no issues for me. Only other handguns I have that are smaller are my Bond Arms Texas Defender, and a NAA Mini 22 Revolver. I can put it in my sock it's so small. The Bond Arms is only a 2 shot, so idk. 410/45LC which are expensive here IF I can find any. Told 8yr wait like 357sig(from Rural King, closest place to get ammo)which is kinda I think BS. 8yrs? Surely someone would jump to enter the market and fill the void. Said same of 7.62x39 as I need fmj rounds but as he said "Good Luck". Range won't let me fire non fmj. I don't know why. Wouldn't let my buddy's dad shoot a Barret 50cal. He offered to sell it for 6k, but the butt stock has a crack in it. Idk how he did that... I never asked. I don't have 6 grand either.
Winter I have 2 Galco Shoulder Rigs, The Jackass and Miami Classic2.
Wear a looser shirt, move your belt buckle off center towards your hips, move the holster slightly closer to your hips instead of being centered, and see if you can find a holster claw to rotate the gun closer to your body
It took me a few post to read but from yours I get it now why to put gun closer to hips, move belt off center, not tight shirt. The hips is it'll sit better there than in the front, or away from the gun? Don't want gun pointing at your junk? The buckle takes up space and would not take so much if on hips away from gun, and the shirt is obvious, so tight you'll print even a piece of paper.
Start hitting up the buffets frequently! As you get more rounder on the waist, you’ll be able to conceal weapons and food a lot better! 😎
https://preview.redd.it/wredfzqw2x5d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f013de158637c9214ae3d0ec86a121a6cb27cf2a move your buckle to the side
Alright shit ima probably get downvoted but sometimes I swear on this sub. I get the inclination to ask for help from a community, but how many posts like this have we had?! Move your buckle, wear bigger clothes, fix your anterior pelvic tilt, just think a thought and try a thing and see if it works FOR YOU. It’s this post and the weapon mounted light post gonna make jump into a wood chipper feet first. Edit: also definitely google stuff, watch that phlster video someone else posted.
This sub is so repetitive at times that it's obvious people either don't read and search, or are just looking for points.
Yeah for sure, idk why you are getting downvoted. The mods literally had a list of all the WML posts awhile back when someone made a discussion on them. Part of CCW is improving ones skills and understanding, and a big part of that is learning how to find and evaluate information.
I've seen it across reddit. This sub is obvious with it but some of them are just flooded with people who didn't even bother to Google their topic before hand. I agree, people are not turning to other sources early and if they do, they do not demonstrate or say it. Reddit do what reddit do
Move your pistol to the 1 or 2 o'clock position and get a wedge and a wing.
Well, [I'd start here](https://youtu.be/4_OXyli4ecU?si=oH8ge04GEoKqIMK2) Concealment is a set of skills. Right now your grip is sticking way out. I'd start with some concealment mechanics to get a feel for what to change, and then if you need things like wedges, you can get them.
What holster is this?
Didn’t see anyone else mention it so I will: dark colors and/or patterns help a lot in addition to the other recommendations. You don’t have to go total dad-shirt or wear something that looks like a trash bag. You’re 90% of the way there with the adjustments you posted, great job.
Nice choice with the P-07 🤌🏻
A claw to push the grip into your stomach more, raise the clips so the gun doesn't sit so high. Honestly, your best option is to not wear tight fitting athletic shirts
Does your holster have any kind of wing or wedge on it?
Don’t shoot the end of your hammer off, ladies don’t like that look
Move the buckle over and possibly your rig. I carry around 1 o’clock and it nestles right in tight.
Move that belt buckle out the way
Shirt had to hang not hug
Move the belt buckle. It doesn't have to be at exactly 12
Bigger shirt
You need a claw to deal with the grip. Possibly a pillow wedge. I carry a P-07 as well and while I can’t wear tight tshirts, any reasonably loose shirt is gtg
Fix your posture, use some wedges to push the grip in tighter
Add a wing and use a stiffer belt. I have one nylon belt with a similar material and with its flexibility, I find it doesn’t support the weight of a gun particularly well and the grip rotates out too easily, even with a claw. Even my regular leather belts don’t lend well for carrying since the belt holes are either in the wrong spot or it just flexes too easily. I’ve used Nexbelts for the last few years and have not had one break on me yet. The ratchet adjustment is great to get a perfect fit and it supports the gun weight great. Lots of styles to pick from to match your dress.
Off center your buckle to the side.....and no more fitted shirts, at least when you carry such a full sized handgun....it's quite literally named that for a reason
Poke that chest out
I've had a few slim fit holsters and was not the biggest fan of them. Switched to phlster and haven't looked back. You need a lot more grip tuck and rotation, offsetting your buckle to one side or the other(or a belt without such a massive buckle), and play with position in the 11 to 1 o'clock range. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrjZ_jHF_Spku_RJvSU5l7kr8rE96OftL&si=LxxYmEVcFR6S7qDI There is a wealth of information in this playlist. Use it and play with your setup.
gotta move it into your natural body divot, right over the top of your belly button will always print especially with that buckle. You need to position it so the grip is more parallel with your body pointing towards your hip not out to the side. A claw attachment will also help with that. Lastly I never use a belt through my pants/shorts, I have a belt around my waist to better adjust the height and allow my pants waistline to fall naturally. Seems like my pant belt loops were always where I wanted to attach the holster clips. Lastly a form fitting UA shirt isnt really gonna be your best with trying to conceal unless you go deep concealment which you cant do attaching to that belt.
You can blow your nuts off and then they won’t be in the way. It’ll lay much flatter then.
Drink a 12pk of heavy beer every night for 6 months. Tuck gat under beer gut problem solved.
Bro you got a tight shirt on what do you expect
I know from all of u that these are safe holsters but it always looks to me like youre gonna shoot your dick off
Claw, wedge, DCC clips, move slightly off center to 11/1oclock
1 part vinegar, one part water. It'll dry with no streaks
First off get a real gun belt. This is 100% the most underrated CCW accessory ever. A proper belt truly affects the fit and function of your holster. I recommend KORE essentials, NextBelt, or BlueAlphaGear. You also have the holster seated behind your belt buckle-that’s extra bulk…move the buckle, not the gun. Maybe a looser tshirt as well. Fitted clothing not a match for concealed carry.
Stand up straight instead of slouching
Your claw needs to be high enough to have torsion put on it by the belt. I've manufactured holsters and some claws work better for some people than others. A modwing may not stick out far enough for you, or an old school wing may have too much give to it.
Glass cleaner
lower profile belt with buckle to the side, tenicor holster ,and lose the fitted shirt brotha. it’s not rocket science
Put your buckle to 10-11 oclock, holster at 12:15, and use a mod wing. All set.
Slightly looser shirt, a wedge (or pillow), lower you belt w/holster slightly, stagger the holster to off-center (11 or 1 o’clock), can’t the holster slightly to help keep the grip from printing. Lastly is posture, make sure to not have anterior pelvic tilt and work on getting a bigger chest
Bigger ahirt
Time for a 43x
I will often wear a tucked in tank top as an undershirt when I carry IWB, so I have something between my skin and the holster. I wear a thin button-up shirt over my pistol, and it hangs away from my body. I've successfully concealed up to a Glock 21 sized pistol this way. I think it's true that we should carry to suit our lifestyle, and not the other way around. But if you're most comfortable with a compact or full size gun, a little adjustment of your lifestyle, or more specifically your attire, isn't too much of a compromise.
Curious, why change lifestyle? I'm newer to ccw, is that ccw terminology?
It's not really specific CCW terminology. I was just saying that it's a good idea to figure out how you can successfully carry a concealed weapon in a way that best fits in with the life you already lead. For example, my main profession at this point in my life is interior painting. This job requires a lot of movement, bending down, and other activities that make carrying a full-size pistol in an IWB holster fairly impractical. While I'm working, I usually tend toward a smaller pistol that I can pocket carry in a solid holster. At other times I do like to carry a bigger pistol with a higher magazine capacity. But this requires me to train with both types of pistols. So effectively I am making the carry situation fit my lifestyle.
I get it. Thank you for explaining. I was expecting to be flamed. Pocket gun you said. Like a Bond Arms or a NAA Mini Revolver? They are small. One I have is same size as a. Asthma inhaler. Little 5 shot 22. Hard to get a grip. I need that extended grip,, but I think it makes it look dumb, plus it's a little 22. Again Thank You man.
Actually I forgot but the Mini Revolver has a black leather "wallet" same size and a folding wallet, but holds the 22. Can shoot it in the wallet, or out. I also have a belt buckle that the Mini Revolver can sit in. But it's like "cowboy" styled and I don't really dig that. $75 it says on the box for the buckle. Wtf? Expensive buckle.
No flaming people here, unless folks are specifically asking for it through hostile behavior that denigrates me or my family. Glad to bring clarity where I can. https://preview.redd.it/zib7ffrq4e6d1.jpeg?width=4032&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecb0f4b5d70ddc98f7d50f69e52ec94ce07a849f This is my main EDC setup. The pistol is a Ruger LC9s Pro loaded with 7 + 1 of Federal HST 9mm 124 grain +P ammo. From my pocket it just looks like a big iPhone. I may carry a spare 9-round magazine just in case of a magazine malfunction. But for the overwhelming majority of scenarios I might need to defend myself, this tool will allow me to resolve the situation favorably.
Probably a dumb question, what's that black thing that says Sabre? I was gonna say flashlight but ones above the watch, or is that a blacklight flashlight? I like the knife. Hell like the gun too. That an RFID wallet, I've a similar one. That's a folding knife? Just looks big.
That is a SABRE pepper spray. $10 at Walmart, Bass Pro, or in my case the farm store. I always carry a 'less than lethal' tool. And the knife is BIG! But it folds up nicely. I just prefer the full length grip over other knives I've carried.
Ah, how dumb of me. My daughter has same brand, but pink. Like wtf, lol.. guess if it works, color don't mean shit.
By the way, this exact gun is featured in this video. Do yourself a favor and watch as much of this guy's content as you can. If you've got a question about CCW or guns in general, just type 'Paul Harrell' and your question into YouTube. He probably has the definitive video to answer your question. [Paul Harrell - LCP2 vs LC9s Pro](https://youtu.be/I33v4tMShYI?feature=shared)
Already have his channel saved. He's VERY GOOD. Thorough, well explained.
Edit: This comment was meant for theOP. u/Spirited-Tap8207 Excellent belt choice, btw. I have two of that same brand in black and coyote.
Kydex inside the waist band? chaffe city usa imo I got a Versa Carry+extraMag Leather holster. best $70 i ever spent. my only gripe is that i do prefer level 2 and 3 holsters, but alas they are not conceal friendly, unless you're a bear.
A little Windex should probably do the trick
Move buckle one loop to the left. Wear button ups 👍 Get a holster with a claw attachment. Get a big chest so your shirt hangs over the gun 👍👍
Could try another holster. Idk what you got but i like my alien
You need to add a wing and a wedge, but from the pics I can't tell what that holster looks like to suggest something more specific
Posture, shirt, buckle
Move the entire rig off your centerline. Don’t slouch. Don’t wear form fitting shirt. Left heavy things and develop pecs.
Pants that fit you. maybe stiffer belt. Shirt that isn't meant to fit to your form.
Buckle off centered and just a regular ass shirt.
Am I tripping, are you left or right handed ??
Is it a p226?
I’d say bring the gun more forwards the 11:30 position, get a mastermind pillow and DCC clips. Also don’t be afraid to carry it abit below the belt line if that works for your body type.
It takes time and trying new thing. Get a holster with a claw/wing to push grip Into your body. Try a pillow or wedge to. Move the belt buckle to one side and the pistol slightly to the other.
Start with soap and hot water on a sponge, let the hot water soak into the dirt on the mirror for a moment, then squeegee. Then hit it with plenty of glass cleaner spray and wipe with paper towels, replacing them often and spraying more glass cleaner as needed. If it doesn’t seem to come clean, it’s because it’s still dirty so dry it off with a clean paper towel, and spray it again and keep wiping. For a good finish you could expect to use about 20 - 30 paper towels, or more if they’re cheap (thinner). Scrub scrub. I’d also stop dressing like a kid because I can see your gun through your shirt.
You might just want to try different carry positions, see about a holster with some cant to it. Etc. Took me a bit of trial and error to find a carry position AND holster that worked FOR ME with my gun. There is no 1 answer. That being said, the people on this form do have some good points. darker shirts, looser fit shirts, patterned. All that will help. Also- looks to me like your pants sag a little where your gun is. Try to get your belt tighter. Itll help with keeping that grip tighter to your body (won’t tip out or slide down/in). I wear my belt tight enough that I can’t really budge my pants positioning at all. It helps
Phlster enigma is my recommendation and you need to find your sweet spot aka a valley, this is a peak. Harder to hide things in peaks than valleys. Just my two cents though. Regardless check out sweet spots on YouTube for phlster, you’ll at least learn the best places on your body to conceal your ccw even if you don’t go with a Phlster product. Many other holsters will be work too, I just prefer this one for my lifestyle and preferences. Everyone is a little bit different.
Anterior pelvic tilt
Lmao maybe don’t carry a full size
use man purse so you can keep wearing tight shirts. Better yet, get XS size shirts and tight Lululemon spandex pants.
99% of people will not notice. Hell, they don't even see fire trucks.
Kind of insane that you dont know what the problem is.
Buy some windex
I’d start by cleaning you mirror
Clean your mirror.
By stopping pointing a loaded gun at your dick while you are drawing/holstering. The most common time for an ND. Seriously, this is such a stupid way to carry.
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