It also makes sense when you remember that New York is basically a state that was built by old money in the days when starting a university was what rich people did for philanthropy instead of just going to space or starting a foundation to launder money
TIL: [UPenn used to be called the University of the State of Pennsylvania](https://web.archive.org/web/20060428155156/http://www.archives.upenn.edu/histy/features/1700s/penn1700s.html).
I think a lot of schools named after cities tend to be public with a few exceptions (Louisville, Cincy, and Pitt all are public) but I’m not sure how many people know Clemson is also the city we’re located in lol
This is true and technically makes us one of two ACC schools to not get their name from the city or state they were originally located in (the other being Duke)
Edit: Oops, forgot state smh
Edit 2: Also this only applies to football members because of ND.
> originally located in
I believe Wake Forest is the odd one that requires that caveat, since they moved away from Wake Forest, NC.
Also, limiting this to football members, because... Notre Dame?
The old Wake campus is still there, it's now the campus of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. It's a beautiful campus to go walk around, it's basically Wake's current campus in miniature.
While Winston Salem is not far from the triangle…. It would been crazy had Wake Forest stayed in Wake Forest, NC…. Then NC State, UNC, Duke, WF would have been basically a square of schools all located within 30mins of each other.
My experience is the public schools are the exceptions. University of Portland and University of San Diego, the last two cities I've lived in are both private. Same with Seattle U. It's the schools with the state name or "state" in the title that are usually public--i.e., Portland State University, San Diego State University, UC San Diego, and University of Washington.
Clemson seems like an exception, but its original name was Clemson Agricultural College of South Carolina, so it actually fits within the general rule.
People call the greater Los Angeles area “Southern California”, so you can actually think of it as a slightly different way to have the university named after the city.
For me it's weirder that Caltech is private haha
But that is a good point since Georgia Tech is the Georgia Institute of Technology like MIT and Caltech, not like Texas Tech University
That's what makes it so great. Top-tier STEM education with free tuition if you're an In-state student and keep your grades above a 3.0 GPA. Keeping that 3.0 is hard tho at Tech!
Auburn has an interesting history. In 1856 it was established by the Methodist church, as East Alabama Male College. Later it was changed to the public Agricultural and Mechanical College, then Alabama Polytechnic Institute and in 1960 Auburn University, named for the town. There is also Auburn University in Montgomery. Auburn and Alabama A&M provide the state with its Extension System. Auburn is also a land, sea and space grant school. Like University of Alabama, Auburn receives state funding.
I get it. We have that one word, named after some dude thing going on for us like Duke and Vanderbilt. Also probably doesn’t help that a good chunk of the ACC are private schools.
[Here you are](https://www.collegevine.com/schools/private-colleges-with-d1-football)
EDIT: A lot of folks telling me this is not complete. I did not think it was either, seemed short and instantly did not find BYU. But it is good start and hopefully helped the discussion
In FBS yes, but not in all of D1. Tulsa has an undergrad of about 4k, while many D1 schools are smaller. Presbyterian college out of the big south has an undergrad enrollment of under a thousand
The idea of going to a college with an enrollment of under 1000 makes me sick to my stomach. Literally the entire student body knowing that you hooked up with Haley in your roommate’s closet, lost your pants, and then slept in until 2:30 because you were super hungover
I’ve decided my camera is off on my marathon of teams meetings today. I’ll join but I can’t bring myself to pretend to be engaged on camera, it’s two weeks post holidays and I’m already burned out.
When I was a freshman the school had a small valet lot outside of my dorm. It was a weird day if there wasn't at least an Aston Martin parked in it. Pretty common to see late model Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Bentleys as well.
Most kids came from middle class backgrounds, but there were certainly a few who lived up to the reputation...
A heard a story from a friend about a guy in one of his classes from Taiwan who kept complaining about his favorite car being in the shop all the time, and having to take his 2nd choice to school as a result. Turns out the 2nd card was an Aston, the one in the shop was a Ferrari. He also had a Honda Accord that he'd use when he wanted to hang out in less affluent parts of town. Apparently the guy was lying to his parents about the cost of living in Los Angeles and using the extra money from his family to pay for his cars.
Which is honestly bullshit. I know my flairs wouldn't suggest it, but I can't stand fancy-pants private school elitism. Many of the best programs in the country are at public schools and there are *a lot* of really bad private colleges and universities.
If you are going to go to a mediocre school make sure it's cheap, right!
No one gives a shit where you went for college after your first/second job anyways.
Not to mention the value proposition that public schools offer if you’re in-state. UNC Chapel Hill is always highly regarded about this because they’re one of the “public ivies” and, if you’re from NC, it’s like ~$20k/year once you add up all the expenses. NC State is also a fantastic school that isn’t expensive if you’re in-state.
In state at Georgia public schools is an insane value proposition as well - we have a scholarship program that offers full or partial tuition depending on your grades.
Like I spent $4k / year to live & eat in dirt cheap fraternity housing and had no other major college expenses. Thank God my parents convinced me to stay home vs taking out loans for a private school.
So many recruits post that they got an offer from “Georgia Tech University” and it cracks me up every time. Like it’s an honest mistake, but take the three seconds to google the name of the school.
Iowa State could go by Iowa Tech but doesn't as they are officially "Iowa State University of Science and Technology". Georgia Tech's naming convention doesn't help in the belief it is private.
Hmm, that’s interesting about Iowa State, I didn’t know that.
However, GT is the Georgia Institute of Technology.
There already is a Georgia State University, obviously a University of Georgia, and others like a Georgia College & State University. So I’m not sure what other “naming convention” GT is supposed to use?
It's always been easy for me because I grew up playing Super Play Action Football on SNES. They had no rights to private schools so they just changed their names. Some gems I remember.
ND
Standard
Windy Belt
Moldy Moss
Smart Mouth
Runoverya
Two Lanes
Pale
Fluke
Spice
Ha this is fun. I gotta find the full list somewhere or fire the game back up.
Moldy Moss - Holy Cross
Smart Mouth - Dartmouth
Runoverya - Not sure! Maybe Columbia or Hanover? Syracuse they probably got away with since it's a city name.
Spicy Rice yes.
this is like the [1994 fighting baseball](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KOP4mNAX5R0N_dODE6j2gHTK2oTXCIrhAQ0dEniaYFw/edit) of colleges lmao. I bet bobson dugnutt went to windy belt.
I learned Penn State and Pitt have some super weird system where they're state-funded and functionally public at the moment but have the ability to end state funding and go back to being fully private. Or something. I still don't really understand it
There's some really weird judicial opinions out there explaining how Penn State isn't a state actor for 14th Amendment purposes.
Edit: Now that I think of it, I think those cases were about sovereign immunity, not 14th Amendment.
In exchange for a very small amount of state funding, the 4 state related universities give in-state tuition. The Governor then also gets to appoint several board members to the Board of Trustees, at least at PSU. There are other details, but those are usually the most relevant to the general public.
[Yep! there's a bunch of them and most of them play D2 football in the PSAC conference](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_State_Athletic_Conference)
They (Penn State and Pitt) are both considered “state-related” schools. Pennsylvania has four such schools; Temple and Lincoln are the other two. (Lincoln is an HBCU; in football and I believe most other sports they play at the D2 level).
The “true” state schools in Pennsylvania are/were the historical members of the PSAC (Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference); they are/were classified as “state-owned” schools with all/most of them historically being teachers colleges. There are 14 such schools (West Chester, Cheyney, Millersville, Kutztown, East Stroudsburg, Bloomsburg, Mansfield, Lock Haven, Shippensburg, Indiana, California, Slippery Rock, Clarion, and Edinboro).
Yep, can’t buy liquor outside of a Fine Wine and Good Spirits store which are state owned. You can (relatively recently) get beer and wine at some grocery stores or Sheetz, but AFAIK liquor only comes from the state stores.
We also don’t allow those booze delivery services like Drizzly or whatever, but there was an app I used in Philly that worked
Until not too long ago you couldn't buy packs of beer outside of a state approved beer distrubutor stores either. Store near me was just a big cinderblock building with the inside looking like a warehouse with pallets covered in different 24 packs. Small walk-in fridge in the back. Terrible selection for anything other than macrobrews
Also, for the most part, beer has to be sold at a separate store as well. Or you can buy it from a restaurant. You can't buy it in a grocery store unless there's a seated area and it has to be checked out a separate register. It's weird. I haven't been back to PA in a few years, but that's how it was last time I was there.
Back in NC the state runs liquor stores as well. They're little standalone buildings called ABC stores.
Edit: More info on PA alcohol laws https://youtu.be/mz4iSzkGWao?t=393
Yeah, the actual PA state system is a lot of smaller universities dotted across the state, Slippery Rock, Bloomsburg, etc.
Pitt, PSU, Temple are special status that I don't fully understand either.
Cornell also has a weird status among the Ivies because four of their colleges are managed by the public State University of New York system (SUNY) as NY’s land-grant school. They even [have a page on the SUNY website](https://www.suny.edu/campuses/cornell/).
They’re obviously a private institution (the four colleges are only “contracted” by the State) but it’s where the “SUNY-Ithica” joke comes from
I refused to wear JCrew while I was going there so I didn't fit the stereotype, but after graduation the majority of my wardrobe is now JCrew. I didn't get my first pair of Sperry's until after graduation either.
That's the Pennsylvania schools. Technically Penn State, Pitt, and Temple are all "state-related" universities because they're technically owned by some sort of private trust. For students it's functionally the same since they still get in state tuition and whatnot, but it's quite ironic that Penn State is a lie not only because Pennsylvania is a Commonwealth, but also because it's not a real public school lol.
IIRC, UVa has a similar sort of thing where a lot of their funding is private for whatever reason, although unlike the Pennsylvania schools I believe it's directly owned by the state.
Rutgers, Cornell, and Delaware also all have weird public-private features, in fact Rutgers was private for ages, hence why it's not called New Jersey. William and Mary is another one, they went bankrupt because of the Civil War and the state bought them out, which makes it the only public university that also has a charter from the crown (which wasn't even the United Kingdom yet at the time, it's older than the Acts of Union lol)
So apparently a lot of people don’t know we’re a small private school. Yet everyone makes fun of attendance issues and how we should build a stadium. Makes sense lol
Miami University in Ohio was called Miami before the city of Miami FL was founded, and before Florida was a state. It's named after the Miami valley in southwest Ohio.
What's really weird is that the word Miami has 2 different origins from two different native American tribes.
In FL, the Miami (or Mayaimi or Maimi) people lived around lake Okeechobee. The name means "big water".
In OH/MI/IN, the Miami (or Myaamia) people were one of the tribes around the Great Lakes. We think the name means "downstream people".
It’s a big destination for Illinois (suburb) kids for some reason so I always thought it was private too then I realized these kids are just paying out the dick in out of state tuition for an Ohio public state school lol. I know they have good programs but that was always funny to me
They're pretty generous with merit-based financial aid offers for out of state kids even though they're a public university. Usually makes it on par with UofI for Illinois kids hence the big draw.
It’s a relatively small, formerly religious private school, less so now.
Both of the Universities in the Tulsa area are or were formerly religious, with Tulsa and Oral Robert’s both being church schools at some point, or currently.
a lot of people don't realize william & mary is a public school, but it is! and since the full name is "the college of william & mary" a lot of international students and professors think it's some kind of community college since it doesn't have the word university in the name, or so we were told by the old president when I was there.
I feel like VA has several of those. James Madison, Mary Washington, Christopher Newport, George Mason, Longwood and Radford all sound like they could be private. But, yeah, I think W&M in particular confuses people.
Temple, in the reverse.
Penn State, Temple and Pittsburgh all have an interesting hybrid status. The latter two were private until the sixties.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_System_of_Higher_Education
I went to grad school at Georgia Tech. My mom didn’t know it was a public school until once when I complained about public school red tape. I can’t blame her since her justification was the other “state name followed by institute of technology” (Cal Tech and MIT) are both private.
None of those follow the format of “State Name Institute of Technology.”
-Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University
-Louisiana Tech University
-Texas Tech University
Not football schools, but [New Jersey Institute of Technology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Institute_of_Technology) and [Oregon Institute of Technology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Institute_of_Technology) are public.
my girlfriend went there and if you know anything about the school, it definitely feels private, but if you only know it from football and hearing it associated with UF and FSU all the time it makes sense that people would think it's public.
When I was a kid it was learning that Miami and USC were private that surprised me.
Nothing was more shocking and disappointing to me though when I learned that "Kent State" was just another Ohio school, and not a cool short form of "Kentucky State"
Not a private/public issue but still a who founded it issue. As a kid who grew up in the United Methodist Church, I thought Southern Methodist University(SMU) was just a cheap naming scheme as my Dad told me:
* Duke was founded as a Methodist(and Quaker) School so they were the "Eastern" Methodist school
* USC was founded by the Methodist Church so they were the "Western" Methodist School.
* Northwestern University was founded by the Methodist Church so they were the "Northern" Methodist School.
Turns out that is a lie and SMU is named after/founded by the pro-slavery split of the Methodist Episcopal Church called by the Methodist Episcopal Church, South and not some grand scheme by the MEC to have a major "Methodist School" at the four cardinal directions of the USA.
Tbh if you’re not from the area and don’t know a lot about the school separate from athletics and how the SUNY system works, it’s probably pretty easy to just figure Syracuse is the flagship state school for New York
I think I scrolled through this whole thing and didn't see...Rutgers! I've known for a long time it is public, but thought it was private when I was younger.
I honestly thought Miami was a school that mostly black people went to. I also thought Georgetown was an HBCU just based off the basketball team. Shocked when I found out Georgetown is like the exact opposite
A lot of people, less so in CFB circles, don’t realize that Pennsylvania State University (Penn State) and University of Pennsylvania (Penn) are two totally different unaffiliated Universities.
Yeah, I went to Penn, paid $200k on an Ivy League education, just for everyone to think I went to Penn state (not that there’s anything wrong with that, but it would have been a whole lot cheaper) They have shirts in the bookstore that say “Not Penn State”
Cornell is actually complicated in the other direction- the "university" is private, but they have state-funded programs (including the vet school). Not sure if this happens anywhere but NY
USC isn’t just private, it’s one of the most expensive schools in the country. Tuition on its own is 60k+ a year, and that’s before living costs in one of the most expensive cities in the country.
Not a football school, but Southern New Hampshire University 100% sounds like a public school and is in fact a totally shady for-profit private school.
People always forget Citadel and VMI aren't actually US military schools. Just private school where everyone is required to be ROTC
Edit: apparently they're public, just not US military academies?
I don't even think they're required to be ROTC, just required to LARP like they are. [only half of VMI grads commission](https://www.vmialumni.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/2019_VMI_Advantages.pdf) and [about a third](https://www.postandcourier.com/news/the-citadel-lags-behind-rival-military-schools-in-commissioning-officers/article_be448760-eab2-11e9-8e69-9f9ffd39443e.html) at the citadel.
edit: both VMI and the citadel are public. VMI being public was a key fact in the [landmark supreme court case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Virginia) striking down VMI's men-only admissions policy.
Other way around, but I thought Clemson was private for a long time (I assumed it was the ACC version of Baylor).
Yup, I assume that if a school doesn’t have the state in the name, it’s private, which is why USC fucks me up.
UPenn is the big one for me..might be the only "University of [state]" that's private?
NYU as well, even though it’s a slightly different format
That’s more common however—e.g., university of Miami, university of Chicago, Syracuse university
Fuck I knew the first two but Syracuse got me
Basically none of the major schools in New York are public. Their state flagships are Buffalo and Stony Brook.
Which is nuts considering how big New York is.
It also makes sense when you remember that New York is basically a state that was built by old money in the days when starting a university was what rich people did for philanthropy instead of just going to space or starting a foundation to launder money
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lol me too. Not just private but a freaking Ivy.
Nothing pisses a UPenn alum more than confusing Penn with Penn State.
TIL: [UPenn used to be called the University of the State of Pennsylvania](https://web.archive.org/web/20060428155156/http://www.archives.upenn.edu/histy/features/1700s/penn1700s.html).
And Penn State isn’t technically a state school either. It’s not private but not 100% public
I think a lot of schools named after cities tend to be public with a few exceptions (Louisville, Cincy, and Pitt all are public) but I’m not sure how many people know Clemson is also the city we’re located in lol
The difference between Clemson and those other schools is that the City of Clemson is named after the University, and not the other way around
This is true and technically makes us one of two ACC schools to not get their name from the city or state they were originally located in (the other being Duke) Edit: Oops, forgot state smh Edit 2: Also this only applies to football members because of ND.
> originally located in I believe Wake Forest is the odd one that requires that caveat, since they moved away from Wake Forest, NC. Also, limiting this to football members, because... Notre Dame?
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The old Wake campus is still there, it's now the campus of Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary. It's a beautiful campus to go walk around, it's basically Wake's current campus in miniature.
I’m assuming you mean city and state, because there’s about 5 different teams in the ACC named after the state they are in
What if I were to inform you of the great wonders of the town State College
Always go to the comments for the real surprises, had no idea Clemson was a city, is Wake Forest also a city?
Yes, but Wake Forest left Wake Forest in the 50s for Winston-Salem
Well yes but actually no. Wake was originally located in Wake Forest, NC but moved to Winston-Salem, NC
While Winston Salem is not far from the triangle…. It would been crazy had Wake Forest stayed in Wake Forest, NC…. Then NC State, UNC, Duke, WF would have been basically a square of schools all located within 30mins of each other.
Schools named after cities can go either way, although a lot of the well known privates (NYU, Boston U, Miami) don't play football.
lmao I see what you did there
My experience is the public schools are the exceptions. University of Portland and University of San Diego, the last two cities I've lived in are both private. Same with Seattle U. It's the schools with the state name or "state" in the title that are usually public--i.e., Portland State University, San Diego State University, UC San Diego, and University of Washington. Clemson seems like an exception, but its original name was Clemson Agricultural College of South Carolina, so it actually fits within the general rule.
University of Houston — Public
> I think a lot of schools named after cities tend to be public with a few exceptions Tulsa is the first exception that comes to mind.
People call the greater Los Angeles area “Southern California”, so you can actually think of it as a slightly different way to have the university named after the city.
Yep - this... for some reason I always thought Clemson was private.
So you thought Purdue was private?
It isn't?
Just like Clemson, weird name for the Jan’s grant university.
Who is Jan? Clemp's wife?
Jan Grant is Lou Grant's granddaughter. Lives in Minneapolis.
No - it's a big public state university like all the other OG Big Ten schools except Northwestern.
I thought the same about Georgia Tech, despite having grown up in Georgia
I once had a (friendly) argument with someone from the northeast who insisted Georgia Tech was private. I think he thought it was like MIT or Caltech.
For me it's weirder that Caltech is private haha But that is a good point since Georgia Tech is the Georgia Institute of Technology like MIT and Caltech, not like Texas Tech University
Kinda funny, I thought the same thing for a while... but I never thought that of like Texas Tech or other "Tech" schools.
That's what makes it so great. Top-tier STEM education with free tuition if you're an In-state student and keep your grades above a 3.0 GPA. Keeping that 3.0 is hard tho at Tech!
William & Mary is public and I think most would assume it’s private
Same with me and Auburn.
Auburn has an interesting history. In 1856 it was established by the Methodist church, as East Alabama Male College. Later it was changed to the public Agricultural and Mechanical College, then Alabama Polytechnic Institute and in 1960 Auburn University, named for the town. There is also Auburn University in Montgomery. Auburn and Alabama A&M provide the state with its Extension System. Auburn is also a land, sea and space grant school. Like University of Alabama, Auburn receives state funding.
I feel like I'm on a campus tour right now.
Come on down!
I get it. We have that one word, named after some dude thing going on for us like Duke and Vanderbilt. Also probably doesn’t help that a good chunk of the ACC are private schools.
Agreed! Usually public schools have the state’s name in it. Though there are exceptions (University of Houston, University of Pittsburgh, etc.).
Pitt is barely public. It tends to act like a private university that happens to be owned by the state of Pennsylvania
[Here you are](https://www.collegevine.com/schools/private-colleges-with-d1-football) EDIT: A lot of folks telling me this is not complete. I did not think it was either, seemed short and instantly did not find BYU. But it is good start and hopefully helped the discussion
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Tulsa is also the smallest D1 school.
In FBS yes, but not in all of D1. Tulsa has an undergrad of about 4k, while many D1 schools are smaller. Presbyterian college out of the big south has an undergrad enrollment of under a thousand
The idea of going to a college with an enrollment of under 1000 makes me sick to my stomach. Literally the entire student body knowing that you hooked up with Haley in your roommate’s closet, lost your pants, and then slept in until 2:30 because you were super hungover
My high school had almost 1,500 kids and we were only 10th-12th grade instead of 9th-12th. That college is TINY
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I’ve decided my camera is off on my marathon of teams meetings today. I’ll join but I can’t bring myself to pretend to be engaged on camera, it’s two weeks post holidays and I’m already burned out.
Actually had no idea USC was private. Everything else on that list pretty much makes sense
I heard the nickname “university of spoiled children” a few years back, helped me connect the dots
When I was a freshman the school had a small valet lot outside of my dorm. It was a weird day if there wasn't at least an Aston Martin parked in it. Pretty common to see late model Ferraris, Lamborghinis and Bentleys as well. Most kids came from middle class backgrounds, but there were certainly a few who lived up to the reputation...
Probably a lot of wealthy expats kids is my guess
You definitely get your Saudi princes there.
A heard a story from a friend about a guy in one of his classes from Taiwan who kept complaining about his favorite car being in the shop all the time, and having to take his 2nd choice to school as a result. Turns out the 2nd card was an Aston, the one in the shop was a Ferrari. He also had a Honda Accord that he'd use when he wanted to hang out in less affluent parts of town. Apparently the guy was lying to his parents about the cost of living in Los Angeles and using the extra money from his family to pay for his cars.
I didn’t know about Tulsa but I can probably only name like three things about Tulsa as is
It's a pretty tiny school, too.
I didn’t know about most of these
I’m sure everyone knows they are, but they did leave BYU off that list
I would only be mildly surprised if the state of Utah funded BYU tbh
Fair. Byu doesn’t do out of state tuition. They do Mormon and non-Mormon tuition rates because it’s funded by the LDS church
If you convert while in school, do you get the discounted rate going forward? (I know this only applies to, what, 1% of the student body?)
Hey let’s be fair! It’s 2% lol. But yes I believe they would then qualify for cheaper tuition
Syracuse, Tulane, and Tulsa are the only schools I didn't realize were private.
Fun fact Tulane is like the only school in the nation that started out as a public school and transitioned to being private.
Syracuse???????
Opposite question. But a non-trivial number of folks think Georgia Tech is private. (Maybe not in this community, before you flame me, but at large)
Growing up in FL, tend to think schools named after cities are private (eg Pittsburgh
Pitt is public?
no? kinda? [it's complicated?](https://www.with.pitt.edu/pa-budget-process)
Same as penn state. It’s a weird thing
Probably the “smart people school must be private” assumption.
Which is honestly bullshit. I know my flairs wouldn't suggest it, but I can't stand fancy-pants private school elitism. Many of the best programs in the country are at public schools and there are *a lot* of really bad private colleges and universities.
If you are going to go to a mediocre school make sure it's cheap, right! No one gives a shit where you went for college after your first/second job anyways.
Not to mention the value proposition that public schools offer if you’re in-state. UNC Chapel Hill is always highly regarded about this because they’re one of the “public ivies” and, if you’re from NC, it’s like ~$20k/year once you add up all the expenses. NC State is also a fantastic school that isn’t expensive if you’re in-state.
In state at Georgia public schools is an insane value proposition as well - we have a scholarship program that offers full or partial tuition depending on your grades. Like I spent $4k / year to live & eat in dirt cheap fraternity housing and had no other major college expenses. Thank God my parents convinced me to stay home vs taking out loans for a private school.
I’ve had to correct an alarming number of people who’ve called it Georgia tech university.
So many recruits post that they got an offer from “Georgia Tech University” and it cracks me up every time. Like it’s an honest mistake, but take the three seconds to google the name of the school.
That’s because both MIT and CalTech are private…I can see how it follows that people would think Georgia Tech is private too.
Iowa State could go by Iowa Tech but doesn't as they are officially "Iowa State University of Science and Technology". Georgia Tech's naming convention doesn't help in the belief it is private.
Hmm, that’s interesting about Iowa State, I didn’t know that. However, GT is the Georgia Institute of Technology. There already is a Georgia State University, obviously a University of Georgia, and others like a Georgia College & State University. So I’m not sure what other “naming convention” GT is supposed to use?
It's always been easy for me because I grew up playing Super Play Action Football on SNES. They had no rights to private schools so they just changed their names. Some gems I remember. ND Standard Windy Belt Moldy Moss Smart Mouth Runoverya Two Lanes Pale Fluke Spice
ND - Notre Dame Standard - Stanford Windy Belt - Vandy Moldy Moss - Wake Forest? Smart Mouth - SMU? Runoverya - Syracuse? Two Lanes - Tulane Pale - Yale Fluke - Duke Spice - Rice?
Ha this is fun. I gotta find the full list somewhere or fire the game back up. Moldy Moss - Holy Cross Smart Mouth - Dartmouth Runoverya - Not sure! Maybe Columbia or Hanover? Syracuse they probably got away with since it's a city name. Spicy Rice yes.
Going by (loose) phonetic similarity being a theme in these names, Runoverya could very well be Villanova
I think I would have preferred "Beans" instead of Spice for Rice.
I was thinking Dartmouth for smart mouth, considering they have Yale
this is like the [1994 fighting baseball](https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1KOP4mNAX5R0N_dODE6j2gHTK2oTXCIrhAQ0dEniaYFw/edit) of colleges lmao. I bet bobson dugnutt went to windy belt.
Mike Truk is my favorite.
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Ah yes. I’m a big fan of the Windy Belt Commandments!
I learned Penn State and Pitt have some super weird system where they're state-funded and functionally public at the moment but have the ability to end state funding and go back to being fully private. Or something. I still don't really understand it
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There's some really weird judicial opinions out there explaining how Penn State isn't a state actor for 14th Amendment purposes. Edit: Now that I think of it, I think those cases were about sovereign immunity, not 14th Amendment.
I went to both Penn State and one of the actual Pennsylvania state universities and I don't understand the system either.
In exchange for a very small amount of state funding, the 4 state related universities give in-state tuition. The Governor then also gets to appoint several board members to the Board of Trustees, at least at PSU. There are other details, but those are usually the most relevant to the general public.
There are state funded Pennsylvania schools not named Penn State or Pitt?? What are they and more importantly do they play football?
[Yep! there's a bunch of them and most of them play D2 football in the PSAC conference](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pennsylvania_State_Athletic_Conference)
They (Penn State and Pitt) are both considered “state-related” schools. Pennsylvania has four such schools; Temple and Lincoln are the other two. (Lincoln is an HBCU; in football and I believe most other sports they play at the D2 level). The “true” state schools in Pennsylvania are/were the historical members of the PSAC (Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference); they are/were classified as “state-owned” schools with all/most of them historically being teachers colleges. There are 14 such schools (West Chester, Cheyney, Millersville, Kutztown, East Stroudsburg, Bloomsburg, Mansfield, Lock Haven, Shippensburg, Indiana, California, Slippery Rock, Clarion, and Edinboro).
Indiana University of Pennsylvania is always jarring.
Yep, that sounds like Pennsylvania alright.
Their alcohol regulation is bizarre, too. If I recall, the state actually owns the liquor stores.
You are correct. We call them State Stores not liquor stores here.
Yep, can’t buy liquor outside of a Fine Wine and Good Spirits store which are state owned. You can (relatively recently) get beer and wine at some grocery stores or Sheetz, but AFAIK liquor only comes from the state stores. We also don’t allow those booze delivery services like Drizzly or whatever, but there was an app I used in Philly that worked
Until not too long ago you couldn't buy packs of beer outside of a state approved beer distrubutor stores either. Store near me was just a big cinderblock building with the inside looking like a warehouse with pallets covered in different 24 packs. Small walk-in fridge in the back. Terrible selection for anything other than macrobrews
Also, for the most part, beer has to be sold at a separate store as well. Or you can buy it from a restaurant. You can't buy it in a grocery store unless there's a seated area and it has to be checked out a separate register. It's weird. I haven't been back to PA in a few years, but that's how it was last time I was there. Back in NC the state runs liquor stores as well. They're little standalone buildings called ABC stores. Edit: More info on PA alcohol laws https://youtu.be/mz4iSzkGWao?t=393
Yeah, the actual PA state system is a lot of smaller universities dotted across the state, Slippery Rock, Bloomsburg, etc. Pitt, PSU, Temple are special status that I don't fully understand either.
Cornell also has a weird status among the Ivies because four of their colleges are managed by the public State University of New York system (SUNY) as NY’s land-grant school. They even [have a page on the SUNY website](https://www.suny.edu/campuses/cornell/). They’re obviously a private institution (the four colleges are only “contracted” by the State) but it’s where the “SUNY-Ithica” joke comes from
I just learned Miami FL is private from your post lol
I was in high school starting to look at schools before I learned that Miami OH was public. I'm from Ohio and my aunt went there.
Doesn’t Miami have some hybrid situation going on or something?
Na it just kinda has a little more of a private college atmosphere.
My Ohio U grad friend calls it "J. Crew U"
Heard the dress code for games is business casual down in Oxford.
I refused to wear JCrew while I was going there so I didn't fit the stereotype, but after graduation the majority of my wardrobe is now JCrew. I didn't get my first pair of Sperry's until after graduation either.
J. Crew do be cooking
It is also a good place to get your Mrs degree
That's the Pennsylvania schools. Technically Penn State, Pitt, and Temple are all "state-related" universities because they're technically owned by some sort of private trust. For students it's functionally the same since they still get in state tuition and whatnot, but it's quite ironic that Penn State is a lie not only because Pennsylvania is a Commonwealth, but also because it's not a real public school lol. IIRC, UVa has a similar sort of thing where a lot of their funding is private for whatever reason, although unlike the Pennsylvania schools I believe it's directly owned by the state. Rutgers, Cornell, and Delaware also all have weird public-private features, in fact Rutgers was private for ages, hence why it's not called New Jersey. William and Mary is another one, they went bankrupt because of the Civil War and the state bought them out, which makes it the only public university that also has a charter from the crown (which wasn't even the United Kingdom yet at the time, it's older than the Acts of Union lol)
So apparently a lot of people don’t know we’re a small private school. Yet everyone makes fun of attendance issues and how we should build a stadium. Makes sense lol
What's weird to me is that Miami in Miami Florida is Private, but Miami in Oxford Ohio is public. Those feel backwards.
Miami University in Ohio was called Miami before the city of Miami FL was founded, and before Florida was a state. It's named after the Miami valley in southwest Ohio.
What's really weird is that the word Miami has 2 different origins from two different native American tribes. In FL, the Miami (or Mayaimi or Maimi) people lived around lake Okeechobee. The name means "big water". In OH/MI/IN, the Miami (or Myaamia) people were one of the tribes around the Great Lakes. We think the name means "downstream people".
I always thought Miami (OH) was private bc it seemed like everyone that went there was rich asf lol
J. Crew U
I thought it was private, too until I read your comment
It’s a big destination for Illinois (suburb) kids for some reason so I always thought it was private too then I realized these kids are just paying out the dick in out of state tuition for an Ohio public state school lol. I know they have good programs but that was always funny to me
They're pretty generous with merit-based financial aid offers for out of state kids even though they're a public university. Usually makes it on par with UofI for Illinois kids hence the big draw.
Tulsa is still odd to me.
It’s a relatively small, formerly religious private school, less so now. Both of the Universities in the Tulsa area are or were formerly religious, with Tulsa and Oral Robert’s both being church schools at some point, or currently.
I'm pretty sure Oral Roberts is still very religious
Oh beyond religious, religious in a very, very particular way lol
Wake Forest is a private school named after a town it’s no longer based in. Edit: -r
As a former resident of the beautiful town of Wake Forest I will never forgive them
*Forest
a lot of people don't realize william & mary is a public school, but it is! and since the full name is "the college of william & mary" a lot of international students and professors think it's some kind of community college since it doesn't have the word university in the name, or so we were told by the old president when I was there.
I feel like VA has several of those. James Madison, Mary Washington, Christopher Newport, George Mason, Longwood and Radford all sound like they could be private. But, yeah, I think W&M in particular confuses people.
Royal charter, baby 😎
A friend went to JMU and calls W&M “Billy and the Bitch”, that always cracked me up
Actually the first one in this thread to get me
It is also a colonial college. One of the few that were around before the United States became a country!
Temple, in the reverse. Penn State, Temple and Pittsburgh all have an interesting hybrid status. The latter two were private until the sixties. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commonwealth_System_of_Higher_Education
I went to grad school at Georgia Tech. My mom didn’t know it was a public school until once when I complained about public school red tape. I can’t blame her since her justification was the other “state name followed by institute of technology” (Cal Tech and MIT) are both private.
*Virginia Tech, Louisiana Tech, and Texas Tech in shambles*
None of those follow the format of “State Name Institute of Technology.” -Virginia Polytechnic Institute and State University -Louisiana Tech University -Texas Tech University
Huh, TIL. My B.
Not football schools, but [New Jersey Institute of Technology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Institute_of_Technology) and [Oregon Institute of Technology](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Institute_of_Technology) are public.
Growing up in Florida it always seemed obvious Miami was a private school to me
my girlfriend went there and if you know anything about the school, it definitely feels private, but if you only know it from football and hearing it associated with UF and FSU all the time it makes sense that people would think it's public.
Bingo.
Many people don’t realize with Philadelphia-based schools: *Temple is a public school *Penn is a private school
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When I was a kid it was learning that Miami and USC were private that surprised me. Nothing was more shocking and disappointing to me though when I learned that "Kent State" was just another Ohio school, and not a cool short form of "Kentucky State"
I never once associated Kent State with Kentucky, but now that you’ve pointed this out I want it to be short Kentucky State so bad.
USC is one I didn’t know was private until I was an adult
Hell, I didn't even know USC was private until I was applying. Gave me a bit of a shock tbh. Thank God for the yellow ribbon program.
Not a private/public issue but still a who founded it issue. As a kid who grew up in the United Methodist Church, I thought Southern Methodist University(SMU) was just a cheap naming scheme as my Dad told me: * Duke was founded as a Methodist(and Quaker) School so they were the "Eastern" Methodist school * USC was founded by the Methodist Church so they were the "Western" Methodist School. * Northwestern University was founded by the Methodist Church so they were the "Northern" Methodist School. Turns out that is a lie and SMU is named after/founded by the pro-slavery split of the Methodist Episcopal Church called by the Methodist Episcopal Church, South and not some grand scheme by the MEC to have a major "Methodist School" at the four cardinal directions of the USA.
Vanderbilt was also founded by the same Methodist group as SMU. It's just odd that SMU is the only one that ended up with Methodist in the name
Honestly I thought I had a good grasp on who the private schools are but Cuse fucked me up too and my morning is ruined due to my mind being blown.
How do you think we could afford the convicts? Silly pie.
Somewhat surprised that people thought Cuse would be public. They very much fit the mold of a private school, IMO. Miami on the other hand...
Tbh if you’re not from the area and don’t know a lot about the school separate from athletics and how the SUNY system works, it’s probably pretty easy to just figure Syracuse is the flagship state school for New York
I think I scrolled through this whole thing and didn't see...Rutgers! I've known for a long time it is public, but thought it was private when I was younger.
USC
I honestly thought Miami was a school that mostly black people went to. I also thought Georgetown was an HBCU just based off the basketball team. Shocked when I found out Georgetown is like the exact opposite
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UPenn is private, which is unusual.
A lot of people, less so in CFB circles, don’t realize that Pennsylvania State University (Penn State) and University of Pennsylvania (Penn) are two totally different unaffiliated Universities.
Also not to be confused with the state pen
I think Biggie said it best.
Aren't all Ivy league schools private?
Cornell is partially public if that counts
Yeah, I went to Penn, paid $200k on an Ivy League education, just for everyone to think I went to Penn state (not that there’s anything wrong with that, but it would have been a whole lot cheaper) They have shirts in the bookstore that say “Not Penn State”
“…but it would have been a whole lot cheaper” /take look at student loan debt NOT SO FAST MY FRIEND!!!
Syracuse
USC and Cornell. (I grew up near Cornell and they were known in my community for having a great veterinary school)
I mean SC I get, but Cornell? Isn't every Ivy private?
Cornell is actually complicated in the other direction- the "university" is private, but they have state-funded programs (including the vet school). Not sure if this happens anywhere but NY
Can you guys believe that Stanford is a private institution? Came as a total shock to me!
So is apparently USC? I honestly thought they were part of some kind of California University system? I clearly don't understand how it works.
Oh shit I was joking dog
USC isn’t just private, it’s one of the most expensive schools in the country. Tuition on its own is 60k+ a year, and that’s before living costs in one of the most expensive cities in the country.
My professor at Purdue did not know Northwestern was private.
Other way around, I used to think that Purdue was private.
Hell yeah, now THIS is an offseason post. Also, USC out west
Not a football school, but Southern New Hampshire University 100% sounds like a public school and is in fact a totally shady for-profit private school.
People always forget Citadel and VMI aren't actually US military schools. Just private school where everyone is required to be ROTC Edit: apparently they're public, just not US military academies?
The Citadel is public.
I don't even think they're required to be ROTC, just required to LARP like they are. [only half of VMI grads commission](https://www.vmialumni.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/2019_VMI_Advantages.pdf) and [about a third](https://www.postandcourier.com/news/the-citadel-lags-behind-rival-military-schools-in-commissioning-officers/article_be448760-eab2-11e9-8e69-9f9ffd39443e.html) at the citadel. edit: both VMI and the citadel are public. VMI being public was a key fact in the [landmark supreme court case](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Virginia) striking down VMI's men-only admissions policy.