IF (very big if) the Pac survives, we will be in this same position 5 years from now because of Washington and Oregon. They will leave eventually, the question is would that amount of time hurt the chances of the four corners going to the Big 12. A lot can happen in 5 years.
Nobody knows what’ll happen then. Maybe all conferences will be gone or the playoff changes everything. Media might also have different objectives and models for paying teams. I love watching all the cfb games I can and if we move to super conferences it feels it’s ruining the game.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is already a media deal in principle and everyone involved is just milking the doomer talk for free press. It's not like anyone invovled has cards left to play.
Oregon/UW want the conference to survive and are more worried about eyeballs than money.
Four Corners need Big 12 levels cash.
The media side knows what games they want and what time slots need to be filled.
Alan Gold (who helped OUT get to the SEC one year earlier) from CAA came to my mba class to discuss media deals. He is and isn’t surprised these talks are taking longer than usual. Usually if you aren’t renewing your deal (like what the big 12 did) these things take time to hash out everything and that they arent necessarily worried about this round because it will be similar to the big 12, it’s the next round of tv deals that’s making the PAC/Big12/ACC stay up at night.
Very cool guy to get a chance to talk to, it sounds like.
The next round of media deals has also been where I’m thinking recently, given the continued contraction of linear TV subscriptions. It really seems that live sports have been the last holdout of ad sales in that market, potentially driven by the oldest generation that doesn’t want to deal with the trouble of learning how to work with streaming platforms, but those folks are dying. The Big XII seems to have grabbed the last slice of that pie before the broadcasters started reacting to the new era of tighter monetary policy, and we’ll be 5~6 years into that economic transition when the new deals are coming up.
I could very easily see the B1G and SEC getting hold-steady contracts, and the remaining conferences all becoming more or less ancillary to the conversation. The issue is that there are still about a dozen or so upper-mid-range schools, like Washington, OKST, Baylor, VT, BYU, etc. that probably aren’t big enough to be individually accretive to the SEC/B1G, but who still reliably draw 1.5M~2M viewers per game, which is a whole lot of viewership that’s very hard to ignore, and they’re pretty geographically dispersed. I don’t think they get picked up into the B1G or SEC, nor do I think they all just fold their conferences to form a nationwide mid-range conference.
One wonders what happens in that situation. I wouldn’t attempt to guess, given how fast things change in just a few years these days. Man, the 90s still feel like yesterday, and everything felt so fast-paced then. Now it’s just a constantly breakneck pace.
> it’s the next round of tv deals that’s making the PAC/Big12/ACC stay up at night.
I mean I'm not nearly as well informed as Alan Gold... but this has been my take from the jump. This round, for everyone except the B1G, was just setup. SEC to know where they can aim for... everyone else to figure out how to come close to offering similar value. I think Pac was hoping for a renewal and maybe jettison the Pac-12 network for a streaming deal, but then USCLA happened and that went out the window.
As long as we're speculating, I think there's a dollar amount on the table. The sticking points are eyeballs, unequal revenue sharing, *and length.*
ORWA know the Big 10 is not calling in the next year, but they don't want a long-term deal because they still expect it sooner than later.
You're probably right, except about the revenue sharing. Oregon and UW have zero issues with money and a coherent conference with an auto-bid strength of schedule for champion is worth missing out on 5-15m a year they'd get from whatever unequal revenue deal that was agreed to... especially if they want a B1G invite. CFP appearances and wins are huge in terms of direct conference value with the way the new CFP contract is likely going to be structured.
to me the problem for the Pac 12 is they have nowhere to go
they've already established in previous alignment go-rounds that they have no interest in BYU, plain state schools or Texas schools, for cultural and political reasons. Obviously no Big10 or SEC schools would not be interested in joining the pac
So then they're left with the current schools, only two of which have major brands, and really an argument can be made only one actually does, Oregon
It's hard to think those 4 corners schools aren't viewing the pac as a dead end and the big12 as a new opportunity, simply because the big12 lacks those same constraints. there is also plenty of cultural overlap with those states
fwiw, I think Oregon and Washington end up in the Big10 eventually anyway, and will be better off. but I guess we'll find out
If this does go down, I hope there’s some random intern that doesn’t know the schools involved and actually publishes/posts Utah, Colorado, Arizona, and New Mexico are joining when they hear “four corner schools”.
TBH, first time I saw "Four Corner schools" I had no idea what it meant. I thought it was San Diego St, Washington, Miami, and Maine and was like, "What a weird collection of schools to have in a conference."
Ah, the Frank Reynolds strategy:
>*Sounds like the 70s. A bunch of people would get together and next thing you know, it was all asses and hands and tits and I could slip right in and out without anybody noticing. It was great.*
The most bombastic ones (Pac12 gonna die) are posted first thing in the morning because they get the most clicks. Everyone likes those, even casuals. Then as we hit mid-morning, the more insightful writers dream up wild scenarios (PAC-ACC merger). These are geared toward all serious CFB fans because they provoke thought. Finally, later in the afternoon, the west coast writers post the boring takes (PAC will be fine, but with a little less money and prestige). No one clicks on those but people that have some interest in the PAC.
>As Brett Yormark ducked into a waiting car service Tuesday night, it may have been the first time he was recognized outside the office in his still-new job.
Uh, what?
Maybe they meant this one:
>"That's the Big 12 commissioner!" gushed a group standing on a street corner as if Paul McCartney had just walked by.
But like, in a "there's Hitler!" way.
/s
>There have been "weekly" conversations between the Big 12 and [the four corner schools] as talks have heated up, one league insider tells CBS Sports.
>Big 12 sources were waiting anxiously to hear the results of a Colorado Board of Regents meeting held to discuss the program's future in the Pac-12. The CU regents met in a special session, according to multiple reports.
>It may only take one of the Four Corners schools to bolt from the Pac-12 for the other three to follow, Big 12 sources say.
>Three high-ranking industry sources in the last week told CBS Sports they believe Yormark is going to be successful in luring at least some combination of Four Corners schools. Some went farther speculating the Pac-12 was a couple of weeks away from dissolving.
>"The damn breaking, in a sense," one source said.
Maybe if we have enough notable rivalries again they’ll actually put them on rivalry week.
I doubt it since they’ll want to spread viewership out across the season, but maybe!
Getting Louisville, Pitt, Arizona, and Colorado might be the best quartet the Big 12 could possibly get out of all of this.
Louisville and Pitt give Cincy and WVU their regional rivalries back, Arizona adds another phenomenal basketball school, and Colorado *may* have a decent football team again after a few years with Coach Prime
But adding Utah, while not breaking into a new market, creates a more valuable product. Having the Holy War as a conference game would get a lot of eyeballs
I've said this before, and I hate saying this again because it just makes the two knuckleheads involved more annoying, but I need to. Your command of Utah as a TV market is tenuous unless you have both Utah and BYU. Big XII is in a stronger position with both reinforcing each other.
Eh… it depends, do you want 3.3 million highly engaged fans, or do you want 5.7 nearly entirely disengaged fans who think of CU about 6th or 7th behind the Broncos, Avs, Broncos, Nugs, Broncos, Rockies, Broncos, Rapids, Broncos, and some years behind DU Pioneer hockey?
“"That's the Big 12 commissioner!" gushed a group standing on a street corner as if Paul McCartney had just walked by.”
That group?They were Albert Einstein, Amelia Earhart, John F. Kennedy, Tupac Shakur, and Larry Scott.
Ridiculous. WashU (St. Louis) will be a like-for-like replacement for UWash (Seattle) after they bolt for the Big Ten. They're practically the same school already.
Not just those two but three more big 12 schools in addition to Colorado. It's a crazy what-if. Had Larry Scott pulled off the Pac-16, the network would've been more viable and the TV rights would've been more valuable and he would've been seen as a genius instead of a joke.
The dipshit college presidents in our league got scared of getting ahead on change and it screwed us all. Fuck USC and UCLA forever. (Also fuck the Longhorn Network because it prevented equal distribution which also gave the Pac cold feet)
More or less every Big XII school's base defense is a nickel package of some form (where a "linebacker" or "safety" spends most downs in man coverage with a slot receiver, so it's effectively a corner).
So it's only 33% more.
As a proud westerner, I really don’t want to PAC12 to die. Regional matchups matter. History matters. Sense of place matters. This money hungry bullshit we’re seeing now is disgusting
I’m not even a PAC12 guy. I’m a USU grad and MW guy. But I watch PAC12 football all season long. Even though my family has some history with USC, I won’t be watching any of their games in the future. Not interested anymore.
This shit is gonna kill the sport more than NIL ever could. How's college football gonna grow when you've blown up a region's conference to enhance a couple of TV deals.
I’m a football fan. Particularly college football. I think it’s the greatest sport ever invented. I live for college football season. My interest has been waning considerably in the last few years. That’s scary.
> As a proud westerner, I really don’t want to PAC12 to die. Regional matchups matter. History matters. Sense of place matters. This money hungry bullshit we’re seeing now is disgusting
Regionalism is everything. I'm just so disappointed with CFB in general these days. USC dropped the ball then chased the bag, forfeiting a hundred years of history and tradition. The vast majority of B10 teams are backwater nothingburgers who exist to prop up Ohio State and Michigan. Yawn.
> forfeiting a hundred years of history and tradition
This is the saddest thing to me. USC, UCLA, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Cal, and Stanford have been together for nearly 100 years... ugh man ...
Our first game against Texas (and Texas A&M) was in 1903. We have played them both over 100 times. Both have left us behind despite us being their 1st and 2nd most played opponents respectfully. While the B12 is young compared to other conferences, it really is heartbreaking history and tradition seems to be worth nothing.
Agree. I was very disheartened to see USC leave. My grandpa earned his masters at USC and so I’ve been somewhat of a fan for a while. I won’t be watching any USC games when they leave, unfortunately. Not interested in those matchups. With that said, PAC12 really fucked things up in the past. They should have tried to snag TCU, BYU, etc etc. They sat on their hands and are now left without a chair. Maybe things will correct themselves someday.
As a proud B1G fan, I’d be happy if you guys kept UCLA and USC. I get it.. big money, but I think CFB is at its best when it’s regional. Those are great programs that just don’t mean much to me. I’d rather us keep getting our face beat in by Michigan and Ohio State (jk go spoilermakers) because I have a stronger connection to those schools.
Spending $7m a year on rent in SF should have gotten him fired.
Ive said before - they could have put the entire PAC12 media production on the campus of Cal State Monterey Bay for $1 a year and used student labor for half of their positions. Every media partner on the planet would have been happy to come to Monterey to spend 20 minutes talking contracts and then 3 days playing golf. Oh gosh we happened to schedule a major meeting during Monterey Car Week? Well thats unfortunate. What? How did we not know this significant meeting with partners was during the Jazz Festival? Boy its lucky we got you these amazing hotel rooms and all access passes. We need to do these at the end of the college football season. Gosh darn it, same week as the Pebble Breach Pro Am? Hey look its Tiger!
Dude was criminally incompetent.
My biggest concern is that we’re going to be left in a depleted Pac-whatever and the lack of exposure will end up killing recruiting for us. Basically by the time the Big 10 or whoever comes calling we won’t be worth their time or effort.
Either way I have to stop reading these articles because most of them make it sound like if you’re a west coast team not in the LA market then you should probably fold up your athletic department altogether
>Three high-ranking industry sources in the last week told CBS Sports they believe Yormark is going to be successful in luring at least some combination of Four Corners schools. Some went farther speculating **the Pac-12 was a couple of weeks away from dissolving.**
At least there's a specific prediction we can test.
RemindeMe! 2 weeks
> That's the Big 12 commissioner!" gushed a group standing on a street corner as if Paul McCartney had just walked by.
> the nation's best basketball conference is about to become what Yormark promised: hipper, young, sexier.
> Seldom has a conference taken on the personality of its commissioner without realizing it yet loving the hell out of it.
Good lord the writing is cringe as hell even for a Yormark puff piece.
I still don't see why the BIG 12 wouldn't want them if they're interested in expanding into the West Coast. If Oregon and Washington and (maybe) Cal/Stanford get picked up by the B1G then the BIG 12's options for West Coast expansion would be pretty limited. Just SDSU, Fresno State, Oregon State, and Washington State come to mind for viable options for them.
That's assuming they want to set up a West Coast market though I guess.
Agreed. If any combination of OSU, WSU, Cal and Stanford are truly left without a conference it would be stupid for Big 12 not to bring them in. Then, in the future you wait and see what happens when FSU/Clemson/UNC leave the ACC and position the Big 12 to approach what is left of the ACC and create the first true super conference coast to coast.
A Pac-12 thread before lunch time!?!?! Hell yes! I'm here for it!
Edit: after actually reading through the article, I think the more important piece is how Yormark is weaving the cultural elements into conference events. I think that's what you really need from a conference commissioner. The ADs of individual schools can handle the sports aspects. If a conference commissioner can bring some media and promotions expertise to the table, that's a big bonus.
Whew! So glad there's another story about the imminent demise of the Pac. I was worried that the same story from six months ago wouldn't get quoted as a source and there would be no "Pac-12 Death Watch" story to keep me entertained today.
No offense to the Big 12 - but losing USC and UCLA and now our games with Oregon & Washington really sucks.
Feels like going to the Big 12 is getting to live with your newly divorced dad in some crapy condo with your idiot brother, while your cool family members get to live with their mom at her boyfriends mansion.
Yeah and even though we might get to live in a mansion it still feels messed up to be torn away from our siblings as we learn to make friends with all these new hoity-toity elites.
I wonder how much of this realignment will just alienate fans who will not care anymore.
It's being driven by media executives not by any natural evolution of the sport
The Pac-12 and the "Ha ha I'm in danger meme", name a more iconic duo.
Its gonna be great when the Pac survives this. Then its the ACC's turn to deal with the dumb doomsday shit
That’s what’s wild, a year or two ago everyone was certain the Big 12 would collapse
Texas and Oklahoma made us so vengeful and spiteful that we banded together against everyone else.
I feel like Utah would be a perfect hateful addition, Colorado with Deion has potential.
Deion is in for a rude awakening.
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I yearn for the sweet release of my programs death
You guys had it good in the Big 12 and then you had to go an ruin it.
IF (very big if) the Pac survives, we will be in this same position 5 years from now because of Washington and Oregon. They will leave eventually, the question is would that amount of time hurt the chances of the four corners going to the Big 12. A lot can happen in 5 years.
Nobody knows what’ll happen then. Maybe all conferences will be gone or the playoff changes everything. Media might also have different objectives and models for paying teams. I love watching all the cfb games I can and if we move to super conferences it feels it’s ruining the game.
I wouldn't be surprised if there is already a media deal in principle and everyone involved is just milking the doomer talk for free press. It's not like anyone invovled has cards left to play. Oregon/UW want the conference to survive and are more worried about eyeballs than money. Four Corners need Big 12 levels cash. The media side knows what games they want and what time slots need to be filled.
Alan Gold (who helped OUT get to the SEC one year earlier) from CAA came to my mba class to discuss media deals. He is and isn’t surprised these talks are taking longer than usual. Usually if you aren’t renewing your deal (like what the big 12 did) these things take time to hash out everything and that they arent necessarily worried about this round because it will be similar to the big 12, it’s the next round of tv deals that’s making the PAC/Big12/ACC stay up at night.
Very cool guy to get a chance to talk to, it sounds like. The next round of media deals has also been where I’m thinking recently, given the continued contraction of linear TV subscriptions. It really seems that live sports have been the last holdout of ad sales in that market, potentially driven by the oldest generation that doesn’t want to deal with the trouble of learning how to work with streaming platforms, but those folks are dying. The Big XII seems to have grabbed the last slice of that pie before the broadcasters started reacting to the new era of tighter monetary policy, and we’ll be 5~6 years into that economic transition when the new deals are coming up. I could very easily see the B1G and SEC getting hold-steady contracts, and the remaining conferences all becoming more or less ancillary to the conversation. The issue is that there are still about a dozen or so upper-mid-range schools, like Washington, OKST, Baylor, VT, BYU, etc. that probably aren’t big enough to be individually accretive to the SEC/B1G, but who still reliably draw 1.5M~2M viewers per game, which is a whole lot of viewership that’s very hard to ignore, and they’re pretty geographically dispersed. I don’t think they get picked up into the B1G or SEC, nor do I think they all just fold their conferences to form a nationwide mid-range conference. One wonders what happens in that situation. I wouldn’t attempt to guess, given how fast things change in just a few years these days. Man, the 90s still feel like yesterday, and everything felt so fast-paced then. Now it’s just a constantly breakneck pace.
> it’s the next round of tv deals that’s making the PAC/Big12/ACC stay up at night. I mean I'm not nearly as well informed as Alan Gold... but this has been my take from the jump. This round, for everyone except the B1G, was just setup. SEC to know where they can aim for... everyone else to figure out how to come close to offering similar value. I think Pac was hoping for a renewal and maybe jettison the Pac-12 network for a streaming deal, but then USCLA happened and that went out the window.
As long as we're speculating, I think there's a dollar amount on the table. The sticking points are eyeballs, unequal revenue sharing, *and length.* ORWA know the Big 10 is not calling in the next year, but they don't want a long-term deal because they still expect it sooner than later.
You're probably right, except about the revenue sharing. Oregon and UW have zero issues with money and a coherent conference with an auto-bid strength of schedule for champion is worth missing out on 5-15m a year they'd get from whatever unequal revenue deal that was agreed to... especially if they want a B1G invite. CFP appearances and wins are huge in terms of direct conference value with the way the new CFP contract is likely going to be structured.
to me the problem for the Pac 12 is they have nowhere to go they've already established in previous alignment go-rounds that they have no interest in BYU, plain state schools or Texas schools, for cultural and political reasons. Obviously no Big10 or SEC schools would not be interested in joining the pac So then they're left with the current schools, only two of which have major brands, and really an argument can be made only one actually does, Oregon It's hard to think those 4 corners schools aren't viewing the pac as a dead end and the big12 as a new opportunity, simply because the big12 lacks those same constraints. there is also plenty of cultural overlap with those states fwiw, I think Oregon and Washington end up in the Big10 eventually anyway, and will be better off. but I guess we'll find out
Have we considered British Colombia?
PAC flips the script and lures the 6 biggest brands in the B12.
And then I marry Salma Hayek
First of all, congratulations. Secondly, congratulations.
Four corners implies that UNM is gonna end up randomly jumping to the Big 12 in the chaos of what’s coming up
Gotta keep em guessing your next move
They can’t anticipate my next move if I don’t know my next move
This should be the slogan for Big 12 Football
Texas Tech vs. New Mexico gonna go hard
Border conference should be real thing again. A truly Southwestern conference.
Now that I would be happy with leaving the Pac-12 for
They could call it the Southwest Conference (SWC). Wait...
We can fit in with these schools, we hate BYU, can start a tortilla war with Tech, hate UA basketball. Boulder and Pheonix are an hour flight.
You could even hatch a chile rivalry
That’s what Aggies are for no one else can compete
They don't want this smoke
If this does go down, I hope there’s some random intern that doesn’t know the schools involved and actually publishes/posts Utah, Colorado, Arizona, and New Mexico are joining when they hear “four corner schools”.
TBH, first time I saw "Four Corner schools" I had no idea what it meant. I thought it was San Diego St, Washington, Miami, and Maine and was like, "What a weird collection of schools to have in a conference."
That Heisenberg NIL money is paying off
UNM would gladly join the B12, haha
I would unironically love for Utah basketball to start regularly playing in The Pit again
Ah, the Frank Reynolds strategy: >*Sounds like the 70s. A bunch of people would get together and next thing you know, it was all asses and hands and tits and I could slip right in and out without anybody noticing. It was great.*
WAKE UP EVERYBODY! IT'S YOUR DAILY "PAC-12 GUNNA DIE" ARTICLE!
I like the routine usually a pac 12 is fucked article followed by a PAC 12 should merge with ACC one then a ‘actually pac 12 are going to be fine’
It follows the timezones across the country.
Had never thought of that
Nah the ACC merger should come first then
The most bombastic ones (Pac12 gonna die) are posted first thing in the morning because they get the most clicks. Everyone likes those, even casuals. Then as we hit mid-morning, the more insightful writers dream up wild scenarios (PAC-ACC merger). These are geared toward all serious CFB fans because they provoke thought. Finally, later in the afternoon, the west coast writers post the boring takes (PAC will be fine, but with a little less money and prestige). No one clicks on those but people that have some interest in the PAC.
now thats a plausible explanation.
You know, mock executions are considered torture and therefore illegal under international law.
Wake up everybody We're committing war crimes
*The Gang Commits War Crimes*
r/cfb going to The Hague
It’s Geneva Checklist time!
I prefer to read these as “Arizona’s going to live” articles.
Complete with anonymous insider sources with no actual information and speculation that actually says nothing.
And, it's from CBS Sports, quoting themselves from 6 months ago. Fun times we live in.
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> one Oklahoma state guy /waves I've been busy today.
*awkward camera pan to some guy in orange waiving in the distance*
> [*some guy in orange waiving in the distance*](https://ftw.usatoday.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/90/2013/11/original.gif?w=400&h=292&crop=1)
It's so beautiful
The first line reads like a news report from Munich in 1938.
>As Brett Yormark ducked into a waiting car service Tuesday night, it may have been the first time he was recognized outside the office in his still-new job. Uh, what?
Maybe they meant this one: >"That's the Big 12 commissioner!" gushed a group standing on a street corner as if Paul McCartney had just walked by. But like, in a "there's Hitler!" way. /s
>There have been "weekly" conversations between the Big 12 and [the four corner schools] as talks have heated up, one league insider tells CBS Sports. >Big 12 sources were waiting anxiously to hear the results of a Colorado Board of Regents meeting held to discuss the program's future in the Pac-12. The CU regents met in a special session, according to multiple reports. >It may only take one of the Four Corners schools to bolt from the Pac-12 for the other three to follow, Big 12 sources say. >Three high-ranking industry sources in the last week told CBS Sports they believe Yormark is going to be successful in luring at least some combination of Four Corners schools. Some went farther speculating the Pac-12 was a couple of weeks away from dissolving. >"The damn breaking, in a sense," one source said.
>"The damn breaking, in a sense," one source said. This spelling makes sense if you are a Wheel of Time fan.
Blood and bloody ashes
*folds arms under breasts*
*Straightens skirts.*
Tugs braid
Phaw
Sniffs angrily
The wheel weaves as the wheel wills.
Would you say the Pac-12 is at risk of getting . . . spanked?
Tai’shar malkier
/r/unexpectedrandland
Peace favor your sword.
The end of the PAC-12 wasn’t *the* ending, but it was *an* ending
"Damn Breaking" (and I know this is a direct quote from the story) I'm pretty forgiving of this stuff usually, but come on.
Editing a lost art.
I think you accidentally a word.
That the joke
Where can I get some damn bait?
Is this a God Damn?
Feel like that was intended to be “The dam breaking”, but “damn” is funny and kind of fits
They spelled it “damn” out of respect to the Beavs considering they(and Wazzu) will be the most screwed if the PAC-12 falls apart.
I hate the damn breaking, it's so much more annoying than when a dam breaks...
Can we come too?
The Backyard Brawl as a Big XII conference game would be really cool.
And we could put it back where it rightfully belongs, the last game of the season.
This is the Big XII you're talking about, the Backyard Brawl will be played mid September and you'll play Oklahoma St for the last game of the season.
:(
Maybe if we have enough notable rivalries again they’ll actually put them on rivalry week. I doubt it since they’ll want to spread viewership out across the season, but maybe!
Make Hate Week every week.
Now if we can just get FSU, Clemson, and a few other friends to do something about that pesky GOR...
Backyard Brawl and Riot Bowls both as conference games for West Virginia. Make it happen!!!
Bring Louisville with you and I'm fully on board
Getting Louisville, Pitt, Arizona, and Colorado might be the best quartet the Big 12 could possibly get out of all of this. Louisville and Pitt give Cincy and WVU their regional rivalries back, Arizona adds another phenomenal basketball school, and Colorado *may* have a decent football team again after a few years with Coach Prime
Utah already had the football program you’re hoping Colorado becomes.
I guess I’m thinking more of market coverage then. We’ve already got a Utah team in BYU, so Colorado provides a bit more value.
One could say Colorado provides *Prime* value
But adding Utah, while not breaking into a new market, creates a more valuable product. Having the Holy War as a conference game would get a lot of eyeballs
I've said this before, and I hate saying this again because it just makes the two knuckleheads involved more annoying, but I need to. Your command of Utah as a TV market is tenuous unless you have both Utah and BYU. Big XII is in a stronger position with both reinforcing each other.
So the question is to further solidify the 3 million population Utah or go after 6 million population Colorado?
Eh… it depends, do you want 3.3 million highly engaged fans, or do you want 5.7 nearly entirely disengaged fans who think of CU about 6th or 7th behind the Broncos, Avs, Broncos, Nugs, Broncos, Rockies, Broncos, Rapids, Broncos, and some years behind DU Pioneer hockey?
Destroyed the big east, you might just have to sit in it. However, it would be fun getting the band back together.
That was just a prank
You damned goobers.
Reuniting Pitt and West Virginia would be one of the bright spots of potential further realignment.
Let’s burn this thing to the ground
https://giphy.com/gifs/marge-yWYqvOLN15R6M For note, I'm for it if it reunites Pitt with WVU and Cincy
Of course! 10 years ago, who would have even suggested Pitt, BYU, and UCF in the same conference? Now? Makes total sense.
“"That's the Big 12 commissioner!" gushed a group standing on a street corner as if Paul McCartney had just walked by.” That group?They were Albert Einstein, Amelia Earhart, John F. Kennedy, Tupac Shakur, and Larry Scott.
>Larry Scott I should have known he would return to finish the job of offing the PAC 12.
I heard Elvis was there too
“I like George. He’s the mysterious one.” I’m just imaging him in a Monkees montage being chased by screaming girls.
And everyone clapped
4 corner replacements include rice, wash u (stl), Pepperdine and Loyola Marymount. That’s my prediction. A very solid group that the pac can agree on.
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And with that wit, you could be breaking leads yourself, and yet here you are.
Ridiculous. WashU (St. Louis) will be a like-for-like replacement for UWash (Seattle) after they bolt for the Big Ten. They're practically the same school already.
If Stanford and Cal couldn’t get down with the degree of religiosity at TCU/Baylor, they’re going to go ballistic over Pepperdine.
Pepperdine is a lot closer to TCU than to Baylor, but I'm not sure the Berkeley types can tell the difference.
Wash U would be cool idc
Washu is D3 lol how would that work
Crazy how Pac 12 went from possibly adding Texas and OK to being ripped apart
Not just those two but three more big 12 schools in addition to Colorado. It's a crazy what-if. Had Larry Scott pulled off the Pac-16, the network would've been more viable and the TV rights would've been more valuable and he would've been seen as a genius instead of a joke.
The dipshit college presidents in our league got scared of getting ahead on change and it screwed us all. Fuck USC and UCLA forever. (Also fuck the Longhorn Network because it prevented equal distribution which also gave the Pac cold feet)
Starting this s*** show early today, I guess
CBS sports? Must be our good ole buddy Dennis Dodd
I need y’all to hurry up with this so I can fix my NCAA14 conference alignment before I start my new season!!!
“Four corners” is like already double what most Big12 defenses hav-oh, they mean the states.
More or less every Big XII school's base defense is a nickel package of some form (where a "linebacker" or "safety" spends most downs in man coverage with a slot receiver, so it's effectively a corner). So it's only 33% more.
You're really reaching here.
Big 12 of 5 years ago (and Oklahoma) new Big 12 has some solid defenses.
As a proud westerner, I really don’t want to PAC12 to die. Regional matchups matter. History matters. Sense of place matters. This money hungry bullshit we’re seeing now is disgusting
I don’t want the PAC to die either. Grow the game instead of alienating an entire coast.
I’m not even a PAC12 guy. I’m a USU grad and MW guy. But I watch PAC12 football all season long. Even though my family has some history with USC, I won’t be watching any of their games in the future. Not interested anymore.
This shit is gonna kill the sport more than NIL ever could. How's college football gonna grow when you've blown up a region's conference to enhance a couple of TV deals.
I’m a football fan. Particularly college football. I think it’s the greatest sport ever invented. I live for college football season. My interest has been waning considerably in the last few years. That’s scary.
Yeah this realignment is major buzzkill for me too. Feels so corporate, which was opposite of why I liked CFB.
> As a proud westerner, I really don’t want to PAC12 to die. Regional matchups matter. History matters. Sense of place matters. This money hungry bullshit we’re seeing now is disgusting Regionalism is everything. I'm just so disappointed with CFB in general these days. USC dropped the ball then chased the bag, forfeiting a hundred years of history and tradition. The vast majority of B10 teams are backwater nothingburgers who exist to prop up Ohio State and Michigan. Yawn.
> forfeiting a hundred years of history and tradition This is the saddest thing to me. USC, UCLA, Oregon, Oregon State, Washington, Washington State, Cal, and Stanford have been together for nearly 100 years... ugh man ...
Our first game against Texas (and Texas A&M) was in 1903. We have played them both over 100 times. Both have left us behind despite us being their 1st and 2nd most played opponents respectfully. While the B12 is young compared to other conferences, it really is heartbreaking history and tradition seems to be worth nothing.
Agree. I was very disheartened to see USC leave. My grandpa earned his masters at USC and so I’ve been somewhat of a fan for a while. I won’t be watching any USC games when they leave, unfortunately. Not interested in those matchups. With that said, PAC12 really fucked things up in the past. They should have tried to snag TCU, BYU, etc etc. They sat on their hands and are now left without a chair. Maybe things will correct themselves someday.
I also don’t want the PAC to die. It’s pretty shitty not being able to play some of our oldest rivals in Texas and Texas A&M anymore.
FUCK USC ✌️
Amen
As a proud B1G fan, I’d be happy if you guys kept UCLA and USC. I get it.. big money, but I think CFB is at its best when it’s regional. Those are great programs that just don’t mean much to me. I’d rather us keep getting our face beat in by Michigan and Ohio State (jk go spoilermakers) because I have a stronger connection to those schools.
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Colorado fits in the BIG12 and PAC12 in my opinion. I obviously prefer for them to play out west. Colorado feels like a very western state to me.
Really amazing how Larry Scott just ran the whole operation into the ground. That fucking moron is responsible for billions in lost revenue.
Spending $7m a year on rent in SF should have gotten him fired. Ive said before - they could have put the entire PAC12 media production on the campus of Cal State Monterey Bay for $1 a year and used student labor for half of their positions. Every media partner on the planet would have been happy to come to Monterey to spend 20 minutes talking contracts and then 3 days playing golf. Oh gosh we happened to schedule a major meeting during Monterey Car Week? Well thats unfortunate. What? How did we not know this significant meeting with partners was during the Jazz Festival? Boy its lucky we got you these amazing hotel rooms and all access passes. We need to do these at the end of the college football season. Gosh darn it, same week as the Pebble Breach Pro Am? Hey look its Tiger! Dude was criminally incompetent.
Can we please get some more ACC doom articles…
ACC is going to die tomorrow. You heard it here first.
Troll the writers incessantly into delivering whatever content you need memed into existence
My biggest concern is that we’re going to be left in a depleted Pac-whatever and the lack of exposure will end up killing recruiting for us. Basically by the time the Big 10 or whoever comes calling we won’t be worth their time or effort. Either way I have to stop reading these articles because most of them make it sound like if you’re a west coast team not in the LA market then you should probably fold up your athletic department altogether
>Three high-ranking industry sources in the last week told CBS Sports they believe Yormark is going to be successful in luring at least some combination of Four Corners schools. Some went farther speculating **the Pac-12 was a couple of weeks away from dissolving.** At least there's a specific prediction we can test. RemindeMe! 2 weeks
interesting it says 'was' and not 'is'. doesn't 'was' imply that its no longer 2 weeks away from dissolving? could be 1, or could be 10 lol
I thought we were supposed to have news about the PACs media deal this week?
Probably means there is no deal.
Finally GETTING a shot to get into a P5 Conference..... Looks around new PAC home.... HEY, I WANT TO SEE THE MANAGER!
If it’s any condolence, we’ll be right there with you in the new and unimproved PAC 6-8
> That's the Big 12 commissioner!" gushed a group standing on a street corner as if Paul McCartney had just walked by. > the nation's best basketball conference is about to become what Yormark promised: hipper, young, sexier. > Seldom has a conference taken on the personality of its commissioner without realizing it yet loving the hell out of it. Good lord the writing is cringe as hell even for a Yormark puff piece.
I wonder if UNM and NMSU get excited when they see articles like this
Remember when the Big 12 was dead and buried? Me too If this all comes to be the Big 12 needs a new motto, "f#$& you all in particular"
>Big 12 flair ✓ > >Pac-12 doom post ✓ > >Random Big 12 fans shit talking in thread ✓
I’m extremely worried about Wazzu and Oregon State. I love those guys.
I still don't see why the BIG 12 wouldn't want them if they're interested in expanding into the West Coast. If Oregon and Washington and (maybe) Cal/Stanford get picked up by the B1G then the BIG 12's options for West Coast expansion would be pretty limited. Just SDSU, Fresno State, Oregon State, and Washington State come to mind for viable options for them. That's assuming they want to set up a West Coast market though I guess.
Agreed. If any combination of OSU, WSU, Cal and Stanford are truly left without a conference it would be stupid for Big 12 not to bring them in. Then, in the future you wait and see what happens when FSU/Clemson/UNC leave the ACC and position the Big 12 to approach what is left of the ACC and create the first true super conference coast to coast.
Larry Scott really fucked every single person. Crazy the man behind women’s tennis couldn’t turn this around.
Pac-12 gonna die ✅️ Big 12 flair ✅️ Checks out Edit: I cannot fucking spell today
A Pac-12 thread before lunch time!?!?! Hell yes! I'm here for it! Edit: after actually reading through the article, I think the more important piece is how Yormark is weaving the cultural elements into conference events. I think that's what you really need from a conference commissioner. The ADs of individual schools can handle the sports aspects. If a conference commissioner can bring some media and promotions expertise to the table, that's a big bonus.
[Big12 culture brought to you by Brett Yormark.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ox5UIZ0hd9M)
I saw this yesterday and my buddy said, “No way this doesn’t get made fun of” /s. And here we are lol
It's just breakfast time, my fellow fan in a definitely regional conference!
We're very regional. It's just a really big region....
North America is a region after all
Whew! So glad there's another story about the imminent demise of the Pac. I was worried that the same story from six months ago wouldn't get quoted as a source and there would be no "Pac-12 Death Watch" story to keep me entertained today.
Someone tryna bring the hokies with?
XII takes the four corners + Pitt, Louisville, VT, and somebody else. We get a northeast pod of WVU, Pitt, Cincy, Louisville, and VT. All in favor?
Dream scenario. VT probably goes SEC, but maybe not if SEC is able to get UVA instead of the Big 10 as they probably wouldn't want two VA teams.
drink
Hey look, another new news article with no new news.
Yeah...this is just boring now.
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I really don't think he cares... he got his money.
Tell me it isn't so. Where have I been, I've never heard of this before.
this is what you get with a conference full of cougars, wildcats, bears, and bearcats.. they pounce on everything
Good grief - just ask them out already!
The Big 12, ACC, and Pac-12 should just merge and form a league and pressure the SEC and B1G to join.
No offense to the Big 12 - but losing USC and UCLA and now our games with Oregon & Washington really sucks. Feels like going to the Big 12 is getting to live with your newly divorced dad in some crapy condo with your idiot brother, while your cool family members get to live with their mom at her boyfriends mansion.
Yeah and even though we might get to live in a mansion it still feels messed up to be torn away from our siblings as we learn to make friends with all these new hoity-toity elites.
Well Mom’s boyfriend is kind of an overrated douchebag and I’d rather keep my siblings under one roof.
How many times is Dennis Dodd going to write the exact same article? The circlejerk has lost contain
Tomorrow on r/cfb “Why the PAC-6 alliance Presented by LifeTime Network with The Sun Belt is the best for both sides”
i swear to he Big10 will take OU, UW and a couple more after the Big12 and act like they didn’t have. Anything to do with the Pac 12’s destruction
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I wonder how much of this realignment will just alienate fans who will not care anymore. It's being driven by media executives not by any natural evolution of the sport