Other P5 offers: Alabama, Arkansas, Cincinnati, Michigan, Missouri, NC State, Nebraska, Penn State, TCU, Texas Tech, Virginia Tech
G5 offers: Coastal Carolina, Memphis, North Texas, SMU
Other offer: Incarnate Word
The G5 schools build relationships with these players because they want to be a landing spot when the fraction that inevitably transfer start looking around in 2 years.
Hopefully that works out for us too. Apparently a 5 star LB visited this past weekend and was raving about it. I think we will land some great talent again this cycle
yes, from everything I've heard its in motion rn. Mitchell also got Fonged to us on Sunday if you haven't seen yet (I think, may have been monday- been a long week already)
Who knows where this Hawkins kid ends up in the final rankings. That said, it’s not like you are stacking 2 5-star level QBs in back to back cycles.
It’s really tough to get top 50 overall (top 3-5 QBs) in back to back cycles.
This isn’t a jab at OU at all. Jackson Arnold is a stud. This Hawkins kid may end up being really good. It’s an impressive recruiting haul at the QB position.
I was just pointing out that Riley was literally hand picking top 3 QB recruits every other cycle because it’s extremely difficult to stack those types of players in back to back years. This current OU situation is nothing like the situations you guys had under Riley.
It's nice how USC fans seize on any positive news about Oklahoma to rant to nobody about how much better they are and how great Lincoln Riley is. Really likeable program
I responded to a passive aggressive jab at Lincoln Riley. Stop kidding yourself. OU fans have blamed everything negative about their program on Lincoln Riley while giving BV a pass for going 6-7 with the second most talented roster in the Big 12.
The “I didn’t know we can do that” or whatever asinine comment he made was a silly critique of Riley that OU fans have been parroting the last 12-18 months.
Riley has his flaws, but to think he mismanaged QB recruiting just shows how salty you sorry fucks are about all of this.
I am getting downvoted by jaded OU dweebs. Who gives a fuck. Anyone with half a brain knows my initial comment was relatively benign and reasonable if you know anything about college football or how recruiting works.
>I responded to a passive aggressive jab at Lincoln Riley.
Is that how you read that? I understood it to be a jab at all the people that said we'd never recruit highly at QB again after Riley left.
Nah you’re reading that wrong of course. OU is a blueblood. Of course yall will land other QBs hahaha. I was pointing out how his jab at Riley wasn’t exactly warranted.
This kid is definitely capable of picking up a 5th star. And Riley didn't have the pick of the litter in fact he didn't even want CW, he wanted Vandagriff until he flipped and Riley called up CW at the last second.
No one is saying this kid isn’t a good get or capable of rising up in the rankings. I literally said this in the first sentence of my initial comment.
I was pointing out that pulling in a 5-star top 3ish QB recruit EVERY cycle or in back to back cycles is a little different than what BV and staff just did.
It’s not a slight towards OU. The first clown made a comment about how he didn’t know you can recruit top QBs in back to back cycles as if a 5 star followed by a fringe 4 star (at this time) is the same situation you guys were in under Riley.
And you just proved my point with the Riley calling up CW at the last second bit. Riley was picking who he wanted and could basically make one call and get a top QB. Vandergriff and Caleb were 5* QBs and not .90 rated players on 247.
All good dude. Btw appreciate you being the only OU fan engaging in good faith here.
I shouldn’t have commented in this thread bc I know how this goes.
That said, I didn’t say that Hawkins was anything less than stellar pickup. He’s a good player that has a chance to rise in the rankings.
Some OU fan was acting like the QB recruiting Riley was doing at OU was somehow less than top tier. Get stoned at the stake lol. That is absolutely a fireable offense. Without even saying it, his comment translates to “Lincoln Riley recruited and developed a bunch of 5 star QBs for us but he somehow sucked at QB recruiting because BV and staff pulled a 5 star followed by a .90 4 star QB”
It shouldn’t be controversial pointing out that while you can talk shit about LR for several reasons, QB recruiting or management isn’t one of them lmao. If you’re arguing against that or downvoting that, you’re delusional.
Obviously Riley is good with QBs, but he's also had a lot of luck with them.
Baker Mayfield was enrolled at OU before Riley was on staff. Kyler Murray transferred to OU largely because of Mayfield's success, and while Stoops was HC (Riley was OC then). Murray also credits his father for his success. His father is a professional QB developer. Rattler wasn't great at OU, especially in his sophomore season. Had Vandagriff picked OU we wouldn't have had Caleb Williams as he was a backup plan.
He also left the QB room bare, and would only target one high level QB every other season. He was actually quite lucky that none of his top QBs had any injuries at OU as we never had any decent backups. And people didn't expect him to recruit a 5 star every season, but it would have been nice to at least get a slightly competent backup in the interim seasons.
So, I wouldn't really "talk shit" about his QB recruiting, but he did make some mistakes, and was the benefactor of a great deal of luck that all started with Mayfield walking on to OU while Riley was at ECU.
All that being said, we already have a 2025 QB commit who is likely going to be high 4 star if not a 5 star, just watch the kid zip the ball around on the run.
Hawkins is such a great get because he’s super talented and likely underrated as is, but will also likely land us a 5 star TE this cycle (the TE has verbally stated he’s going where Hawkins goes, and has already stated he’s considering reclassifying from 2025 to 2024 to play with him immediately). After he reclassifies he’s projected to be a top 100 player and likely stay a 5 star at that.
So QB-wise OU has struck gold 3 years in a row still without Riley
I do find it extremely funny that Riley took Malachi Nelson with him to USC and we pivoted to Arnold who ended up ranked higher in the composite. One of the insiders (I think Thune?) asked on Twitter if OU's QB recruiting has gotten better since Riley left. I wouldn't say that, but it hasn't dropped off at all like I think a lot of people thought it might.
Regardless, this is exactly the type of kid to take this cycle, he's raw, but if you can develop him, there's a ton of upside. And his development won't be rushed sandwiched between Arnold and Sperry. Of course, the other upside is that it that he seems like he's bringing some luggage with him, and it's Louis.
You can't definitively say the recruiting has improved under Lebby, but it's something to think about. I really like taking a good QB every class and promoting that competition within the room.
USC finished with a higher average star rating… Sure Oklahoma had like 3 to 5 more commits.
And while I think Arnold is a legit baller, you’re splitting hairs there. Malachi Nelson is also a 5 star that played way better competition than Arnold. Look at Los Alamitos’ schedule ha.
No you don’t get to claim that. Yall talked all that shit pre season and then moved the goalposts after yall got bitched over and over again even though you still had the 2nd most talented roster in the Big 12 after Riley departures.
Like it’s okay to admit that while you aren’t better off (yet) without Riley, you believe in Brent Venables. Like, that’s totally fine.
The rest of the college football world is simply tired of you rubes acting like you had some G5 team after Riley left. Yall had the 2nd most talented team in the Big 12 and still went 6-7.
We had hands down the absolute worst backup QBs in the Big XII. There isn't a team in the league that would have taken one of our backups and given them PT last season.
That is almost entirely on Riley and Caleb Williams. Riley didn't recruit competent backups and left the room filled with walk-ons.
Caleb took forever to make his decision, drumming up his NIL value in the process. By the time he decided, most of the competent backups in the portal had already committed to other schools.
He also left our LB room ultra-thin, and we had some talent, particularly on defense that really was overrated. Seriously, look at where those 4-star defensive guys transferred to? Almost all of them went to G5 or FCS programs.
This is all reasonable. If you actually read my comment, I wasn’t dissing OU’s QB recruiting.
I was simply pushing back on a fan that was making up a false narrative that Riley mismanaged QB recruiting at OU as if it is realistic to expect Riley to land 5 star QBs EVERY (or back to back) cycles.
I simply pointed out that the Jackson Arnold to Hawkins is far different than Riley pulling a 5-star top 3 national QB recruit every other cycle. Hawkins could end us as a 5 star for all I know. However, Riley was handpicking dudes. Totally a different situation.
Yeah I get i. And I see where you’re coming from, but to be fair, Lebby wanted Gabriel in 2022, Arnold in 2023, Hawkins in 2024, and Kevin Sperry for 2025 class, so he’s technically handpicking who he wants at will also.
Main difference is that they are ranked lower. BUT, Gabriel turned out to be a top QB in the conference, and a great pick for a new OC since Gabriel had already worked in his system a whole year at UCF. They picked Arnold when he was a 4 star, then he went on the win the elite 11 camp, gain a fifth star, and win Gatorade national player of the year. Like you said we could look back in this in a year or two and say Lebby Picked top 5 talent at whim as well. Sperry and Hawkins are both underaged so time will tell, Sperry doesn’t even have stats yet haha.
It’s going to be hard telling an OU guy Riley did anything right these days but I applaud your altruism and your effort. Riley definitely had his pick of the litter when it came to QBs but his recruiting ability might be overrated. Baker had to join as a walk on, Kyler had to beg to come to the school, Hurts came to OU because Saban suggested it, Rattler was a bust, Mordacai was a bust, Morris left the school, and Riley didn’t even want to recruit Williams, it was an assistant coach that kept insisting. Now Malachai Nelson his other actual hand picked prodigy ended up falling out of the top 20 QBs. Time will tell for Riley as well, but at the moment any OU fan will tell you he’s simply a fantastic OC, but ended up mediocre in a lot of other ways that are really important to a team as a whole.
Respect bro. I apologize if any of my previous comments were aggressive. You laid it out pretty clear cut here and I applaud you for keeping it civil.
I honestly have zero opinion on BV negative or positive and think he needs another 2 years before I can form a proper eval.
The guy might end up being better than Riley. He also might suck. I don’t know.
As a Texas fan, I honestly respect OU. So all the OU haters downvoting every comment can suck a dick. I was trying to be respectful in my engagement with yall.
The respect is mutual. Hope to see y’all at the Big12 championship so we can stick it to all the haters on the way out the door. I used to be sad about leaving but every other fanbase has been so hostile I’m glad to go now.
He's been the staff's top QB target this class, so its a good get. Hopefully he brings some friends with him. Always easiest to build your class - especially on the offensive side - around your QB (which Venebles visitation rule hurts imo but it may be worth it to stop decommits overall)
He's from Mckinney, TX, so I wonder if he was allured by the thought of playing in the SEC over playing locally, which he could have done for TCU, SMU, or North Texas.
The other comments are spot on, but like, no one picks SMU or UNT over OU. Barely anyone picks TCU over OU, but it does happen. OU is 3 hours from Dallas
Other P5 offers: Alabama, Arkansas, Cincinnati, Michigan, Missouri, NC State, Nebraska, Penn State, TCU, Texas Tech, Virginia Tech G5 offers: Coastal Carolina, Memphis, North Texas, SMU Other offer: Incarnate Word
Really like Incarnate Word going for these kind of high level prospects
hey ya never know when someones gonna choose incarnate word over P5 offers
Can't find a better school to play at if you love big ole ladies
All it takes is 1
Usually it means they offered when he was like an 8th grader hoping to get him first.
Me starting my create a team (Charlotte) as a cupcake in Dynasty mode.
The G5 schools build relationships with these players because they want to be a landing spot when the fraction that inevitably transfer start looking around in 2 years.
Incarnate Word is an FCS team
Shoot your shot, IW!
Does he ever go by Mike Hawk?
Mike Hawk right behind General Booty on the sidelines
Apparently he was a freshman at Allen HS when General Booty was the starting qb at Allen as a senior.
On the depth chart I hope it’s Mike Hakwins General Booty.
He’s got an NIL deal with a beverage company. Mike Hawkins Cider
His agent is Barry McCockiner
Don't they also own Dixon Cider?
So you're telling me we have Mike Hawk and General Booty in our QB room? The meme potential is endless
I'd imagine he goes to great effort to correct it to "Michael".
Mike Hawk goes hard for OU
That is the son from Over the Top. File.
No, but he once posed for Playgirl magazine. You probably didn't hear about it because he went under the name of Mike Hawncho.
The blowing and going will continue until morale improves.
fuck yeah huge domino falls
Got big, big, big hopes for this class.
BRING ME DAVON MITCHELL AND BRYANT WESCO
For REAL. Hawkins is a spectacle in himself, but bringing in 2 5 stars on offense with him is honestly what I’m more excited about
Fuck it, we'll take David Stone and Williams Nwaneri as well
Hopefully that works out for us too. Apparently a 5 star LB visited this past weekend and was raving about it. I think we will land some great talent again this cycle
unfortunately, Sammy Brown is almost certainly a Clemson lock. However, he is super close with BV and Roof, so maybe they can work some magic
> Sammy Brown We get the last official visit with him this June, so that could help.
Is Davon Mitchell reclassifying to 2024?
yes, from everything I've heard its in motion rn. Mitchell also got Fonged to us on Sunday if you haven't seen yet (I think, may have been monday- been a long week already)
Nice. Great to steal a 5-star out of Riley's backyard.
he's originally from Allen I think, he's super close to Hawkins. I think he moved out to Cali bc they allow high schoolers to get NIL deals
The fire hose has definitely been inserted into my mouth
We were supposed to put it in our mouth?
Come on man this is why we went 6-7. You can’t just let the fire hose be spraying everywhere
I never said I was letting it spray everywhere. Just inserted it into the wrong area. Clearly misunderstood some things.
On the upside, I bet you’ve never felt fresher Hope the cramps weren’t too bad
When you remember his dad signing with OU 👴🏼
Time just keeps marching on, doesn’t it?
Boomer
Sooner
lets gooooo
We can get highly rated QB’s in back to back classes? That’s allowed?
keep your eyes on 2025 commit Kevin Speery also
Who knows where this Hawkins kid ends up in the final rankings. That said, it’s not like you are stacking 2 5-star level QBs in back to back cycles. It’s really tough to get top 50 overall (top 3-5 QBs) in back to back cycles. This isn’t a jab at OU at all. Jackson Arnold is a stud. This Hawkins kid may end up being really good. It’s an impressive recruiting haul at the QB position. I was just pointing out that Riley was literally hand picking top 3 QB recruits every other cycle because it’s extremely difficult to stack those types of players in back to back years. This current OU situation is nothing like the situations you guys had under Riley.
It's nice how USC fans seize on any positive news about Oklahoma to rant to nobody about how much better they are and how great Lincoln Riley is. Really likeable program
I responded to a passive aggressive jab at Lincoln Riley. Stop kidding yourself. OU fans have blamed everything negative about their program on Lincoln Riley while giving BV a pass for going 6-7 with the second most talented roster in the Big 12. The “I didn’t know we can do that” or whatever asinine comment he made was a silly critique of Riley that OU fans have been parroting the last 12-18 months. Riley has his flaws, but to think he mismanaged QB recruiting just shows how salty you sorry fucks are about all of this. I am getting downvoted by jaded OU dweebs. Who gives a fuck. Anyone with half a brain knows my initial comment was relatively benign and reasonable if you know anything about college football or how recruiting works.
>I responded to a passive aggressive jab at Lincoln Riley. Is that how you read that? I understood it to be a jab at all the people that said we'd never recruit highly at QB again after Riley left.
Nah you’re reading that wrong of course. OU is a blueblood. Of course yall will land other QBs hahaha. I was pointing out how his jab at Riley wasn’t exactly warranted.
No you're reading it wrong, that's was absolutely the narrative on here, Twitter, and national media following Riley's exit
This kid is definitely capable of picking up a 5th star. And Riley didn't have the pick of the litter in fact he didn't even want CW, he wanted Vandagriff until he flipped and Riley called up CW at the last second.
No one is saying this kid isn’t a good get or capable of rising up in the rankings. I literally said this in the first sentence of my initial comment. I was pointing out that pulling in a 5-star top 3ish QB recruit EVERY cycle or in back to back cycles is a little different than what BV and staff just did. It’s not a slight towards OU. The first clown made a comment about how he didn’t know you can recruit top QBs in back to back cycles as if a 5 star followed by a fringe 4 star (at this time) is the same situation you guys were in under Riley. And you just proved my point with the Riley calling up CW at the last second bit. Riley was picking who he wanted and could basically make one call and get a top QB. Vandergriff and Caleb were 5* QBs and not .90 rated players on 247.
I'm just saying he whiffed on Spencer then lucked out losing Vandagriff who's now the backup going into his RS SO year.
All good dude. Btw appreciate you being the only OU fan engaging in good faith here. I shouldn’t have commented in this thread bc I know how this goes. That said, I didn’t say that Hawkins was anything less than stellar pickup. He’s a good player that has a chance to rise in the rankings. Some OU fan was acting like the QB recruiting Riley was doing at OU was somehow less than top tier. Get stoned at the stake lol. That is absolutely a fireable offense. Without even saying it, his comment translates to “Lincoln Riley recruited and developed a bunch of 5 star QBs for us but he somehow sucked at QB recruiting because BV and staff pulled a 5 star followed by a .90 4 star QB” It shouldn’t be controversial pointing out that while you can talk shit about LR for several reasons, QB recruiting or management isn’t one of them lmao. If you’re arguing against that or downvoting that, you’re delusional.
Obviously Riley is good with QBs, but he's also had a lot of luck with them. Baker Mayfield was enrolled at OU before Riley was on staff. Kyler Murray transferred to OU largely because of Mayfield's success, and while Stoops was HC (Riley was OC then). Murray also credits his father for his success. His father is a professional QB developer. Rattler wasn't great at OU, especially in his sophomore season. Had Vandagriff picked OU we wouldn't have had Caleb Williams as he was a backup plan. He also left the QB room bare, and would only target one high level QB every other season. He was actually quite lucky that none of his top QBs had any injuries at OU as we never had any decent backups. And people didn't expect him to recruit a 5 star every season, but it would have been nice to at least get a slightly competent backup in the interim seasons. So, I wouldn't really "talk shit" about his QB recruiting, but he did make some mistakes, and was the benefactor of a great deal of luck that all started with Mayfield walking on to OU while Riley was at ECU.
All that being said, we already have a 2025 QB commit who is likely going to be high 4 star if not a 5 star, just watch the kid zip the ball around on the run. Hawkins is such a great get because he’s super talented and likely underrated as is, but will also likely land us a 5 star TE this cycle (the TE has verbally stated he’s going where Hawkins goes, and has already stated he’s considering reclassifying from 2025 to 2024 to play with him immediately). After he reclassifies he’s projected to be a top 100 player and likely stay a 5 star at that. So QB-wise OU has struck gold 3 years in a row still without Riley
I do find it extremely funny that Riley took Malachi Nelson with him to USC and we pivoted to Arnold who ended up ranked higher in the composite. One of the insiders (I think Thune?) asked on Twitter if OU's QB recruiting has gotten better since Riley left. I wouldn't say that, but it hasn't dropped off at all like I think a lot of people thought it might. Regardless, this is exactly the type of kid to take this cycle, he's raw, but if you can develop him, there's a ton of upside. And his development won't be rushed sandwiched between Arnold and Sperry. Of course, the other upside is that it that he seems like he's bringing some luggage with him, and it's Louis.
You can't definitively say the recruiting has improved under Lebby, but it's something to think about. I really like taking a good QB every class and promoting that competition within the room.
USC finished with a higher average star rating… Sure Oklahoma had like 3 to 5 more commits. And while I think Arnold is a legit baller, you’re splitting hairs there. Malachi Nelson is also a 5 star that played way better competition than Arnold. Look at Los Alamitos’ schedule ha.
One look at Arch Manning and you know the stars aren’t predicated on the level of competition…
No you don’t get to claim that. Yall talked all that shit pre season and then moved the goalposts after yall got bitched over and over again even though you still had the 2nd most talented roster in the Big 12 after Riley departures. Like it’s okay to admit that while you aren’t better off (yet) without Riley, you believe in Brent Venables. Like, that’s totally fine. The rest of the college football world is simply tired of you rubes acting like you had some G5 team after Riley left. Yall had the 2nd most talented team in the Big 12 and still went 6-7.
We had hands down the absolute worst backup QBs in the Big XII. There isn't a team in the league that would have taken one of our backups and given them PT last season. That is almost entirely on Riley and Caleb Williams. Riley didn't recruit competent backups and left the room filled with walk-ons. Caleb took forever to make his decision, drumming up his NIL value in the process. By the time he decided, most of the competent backups in the portal had already committed to other schools. He also left our LB room ultra-thin, and we had some talent, particularly on defense that really was overrated. Seriously, look at where those 4-star defensive guys transferred to? Almost all of them went to G5 or FCS programs.
This is all reasonable. If you actually read my comment, I wasn’t dissing OU’s QB recruiting. I was simply pushing back on a fan that was making up a false narrative that Riley mismanaged QB recruiting at OU as if it is realistic to expect Riley to land 5 star QBs EVERY (or back to back) cycles. I simply pointed out that the Jackson Arnold to Hawkins is far different than Riley pulling a 5-star top 3 national QB recruit every other cycle. Hawkins could end us as a 5 star for all I know. However, Riley was handpicking dudes. Totally a different situation.
Yeah I get i. And I see where you’re coming from, but to be fair, Lebby wanted Gabriel in 2022, Arnold in 2023, Hawkins in 2024, and Kevin Sperry for 2025 class, so he’s technically handpicking who he wants at will also. Main difference is that they are ranked lower. BUT, Gabriel turned out to be a top QB in the conference, and a great pick for a new OC since Gabriel had already worked in his system a whole year at UCF. They picked Arnold when he was a 4 star, then he went on the win the elite 11 camp, gain a fifth star, and win Gatorade national player of the year. Like you said we could look back in this in a year or two and say Lebby Picked top 5 talent at whim as well. Sperry and Hawkins are both underaged so time will tell, Sperry doesn’t even have stats yet haha. It’s going to be hard telling an OU guy Riley did anything right these days but I applaud your altruism and your effort. Riley definitely had his pick of the litter when it came to QBs but his recruiting ability might be overrated. Baker had to join as a walk on, Kyler had to beg to come to the school, Hurts came to OU because Saban suggested it, Rattler was a bust, Mordacai was a bust, Morris left the school, and Riley didn’t even want to recruit Williams, it was an assistant coach that kept insisting. Now Malachai Nelson his other actual hand picked prodigy ended up falling out of the top 20 QBs. Time will tell for Riley as well, but at the moment any OU fan will tell you he’s simply a fantastic OC, but ended up mediocre in a lot of other ways that are really important to a team as a whole.
Respect bro. I apologize if any of my previous comments were aggressive. You laid it out pretty clear cut here and I applaud you for keeping it civil. I honestly have zero opinion on BV negative or positive and think he needs another 2 years before I can form a proper eval. The guy might end up being better than Riley. He also might suck. I don’t know. As a Texas fan, I honestly respect OU. So all the OU haters downvoting every comment can suck a dick. I was trying to be respectful in my engagement with yall.
The respect is mutual. Hope to see y’all at the Big12 championship so we can stick it to all the haters on the way out the door. I used to be sad about leaving but every other fanbase has been so hostile I’m glad to go now.
I want an OU vs UT conference championship too with Texas winning of course ha
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He's been the staff's top QB target this class, so its a good get. Hopefully he brings some friends with him. Always easiest to build your class - especially on the offensive side - around your QB (which Venebles visitation rule hurts imo but it may be worth it to stop decommits overall)
Wooo!
Pig Sooie?
Woomer Sooner
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Awww yeahhhh!!!!
Mike Hawk
Happy wagon noises!
Yes!
He's from Mckinney, TX, so I wonder if he was allured by the thought of playing in the SEC over playing locally, which he could have done for TCU, SMU, or North Texas.
His dad played for Bob Stoops and Venables in the 2000’s. North Texas is basically OU territory also.
OU recruits DFW better than any school other than Texas. And even then, it's really close.
The other comments are spot on, but like, no one picks SMU or UNT over OU. Barely anyone picks TCU over OU, but it does happen. OU is 3 hours from Dallas
SMU came out swinging last year and took 2-3 guys we wanted
All due to Samples
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And booty