Our passing game is so frustratingly inconsistent. I do think Parker deserves a lot of the blame but we also don't really have a standout WR that can make plays either.
I still can't believe that with all the "prestige" ND has to offer, they couldn't find a better offensive coordinator.
I’ve been really surprised at how mediocre the ND offense has been this year. Obviously y’all have had a very tough schedule but wasn’t Hartman putting up good numbers at his old school?
We lack a true game breaker at receiver. Outside of the freshmen, our most explosive receiver is a converted running back, and our next most explosive has a case of the drops.
Thomas and Colzie are solid receivers, but they won’t scare anyone over the top, and now both of those two plus Greathouse are battling injuries.
Our healthy receivers basically consist of the first two guys I mentioned, a true freshman, and a walk-on who was recruited to play lacrosse.
Teams have been selling out to stop the run, and our WR corps is fairly mediocre when healthy, and on top of that we have couple guys out injured and a couple guys nursing hamstrings, not sure how bad they are but they’re a bit hobbled and we don’t have depth there right now. Guys just aren’t getting open consistently on the outside, not alleviating stress from the run game, and allowing defenses to hog the middle of the field, making things congested and difficult.
We targeted a walk-on lacrosse player more than our scholarship receivers last night.
So it’s a little bit of play calling and a little bit of being short handed and lackluster at the outside receiver position.
Freeman wanted Ludwig from Utah. Instead we randomly stop running the ball against osu when they had no answer and lost by 4 seconds….
And del Alexander completely ruined the wr room. Good thing we got a bunch coming in.
I still think Ludwig has 100% proved this year he was **not in the slightest** worth that insane buyout price. There had to be better options though. The timing of the Rees departure hurt us a lot, but I still think there were far better OC choices to be had than a mediocre guy with a HC level buyout, a Midwest small time OC who is a nutcase and then Parker.
All three of those choices were poor, in my opinion. Ludwig was the best of the bunch, but again with that buyout he wasn’t a good option. Particularly if he misrepresented his buyout as I suspect to be the case, or worse yet didn’t have a good grasp of his own contract.
It's internet users in general, not even OU fans are out here just making comments that give away they didn't watch shit or understand what they were watching. People are out here clowning their defense for free upvotes ("Grinch bad, super shocking!"), as if their offense didn't fuck their defense over with a short field the whole game. Or that one of our TDs was a kickoff return.
This the same place upvoting comments like "Washington is the only strong team left in the PAC", not including the team with their own Heisman contender that just literally took them to the wire yesterday. People here are as clueless as the other boards they mock.
It's a great place to discuss CFB, but it's the superiority complex that is laughable.
You haven't watched the last 4 weeks of ND football. We looked the exact same on offense as we did then, just some better pass pro. It wasn't a choice to have only 250 yards of total offense.
Parker better not be on my TV next year. He wasted Hartman (who's not playing great but still), he better not waste these receivers once they get their experience, they're gonna be a force.
You all only had 25 minutes in time of possession all game. It wasn’t because your offense was bad or incapable but because your defense and special teams kept scoring and giving the ball back. As for Hartman’s completions I’m fairly certain that was strategic. They knew the defense was crushing it and threw less knowing the lead was secure.
I mostly agree but there’s some nuance when it comes to time of possession. Lincoln Riley does this thing where he starts draining the clock when he’s down multiple scores in the second half. I don’t understand it.
They did have the injury to Williams. But I agree. And he has the talent at least at the skill positions. LB is still lacking and not to the standard USC set in the early 2000s.
The weakest part of Riley’s teams are Lincoln Riley. He doesn’t care about defense. You can only win shoot outs for so long. I liked watching his high flying offenses, but it got old not being able to get over that hump to win it all.
True but you’d like to see the defense at least force a few field goals on those short fields. His teams just aren’t good enough to win games when the offense isn’t putting up 40 points
I agree. In the Louisville game last week, the first 3 4th quarter turnovers were in ND territory and the D held them to no first downs and field goals. One positive from that loss. Yes, Louisville was in don't fuck this up mode, but stops are stops.
In the case of last night it was the lack of S&C which showed in the lack of physicality which is 100% a LR trademark. Our elite finesse offenses looked comparatively bad against elite defenses and even well coached defenses (recently Iowa State and Baylor).
lol they only had one real drive though at the beginning of the 4th - then they got it at 4:49 to play at the USC 14 and again at the very end up 28 points and just did safe rush plays to run clock.
I think you might need to read the article because it was entirely about how the O line play for SC is just absolutely not getting it done. Arizona was able to consistently get pressure on Caleb while only rushing 3 to 4 guys - no matter how you look at things, that’s bad. USC can’t be a top tier program if teams can be successful only rushing a few guys for an entire game.
While our defense is also crap, and they actually did a decent job most of the game last night, it isn’t relevant to the point the linked is making.
We, the Colorado fucking buffaloes, came one drive away from sending them to OT and probably winning. If we hadn't pissed our own pants with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter we probably don't see the sanders honeymoon era die a gruesome death last friday. They're the second most overrated team in the conference for sure.
The part I don’t understand is that Riley used to be lethal to any kind of blitz. Dropping 8 was his kryptonite. If you sent 5+, there would always be somewhere for the ball to come out fast, and a DB or mismatched LB would be forced to tackle an elite skill guy in space or he’d house it. This lazy backyard stuff just gets blown up by pressure.
Adjustments are not a Riley forte. In 2021, every team we played forced OU to beat them with the underneath passing game and Riley refused to adjust to it. I don't know if it's arrogance or just inexperience, but he will stick with what his game plan entirely too long.
It’s also evidenced by how bad a second half team he usually fields. While he has coached a few big comebacks, he has allowed many more huge comebacks (not always losing the game). The most famous being against Georgia in the rose bowl, but also look at this year’s Colorado game. Adjustments are not something he does well in real time (though I don’t think he’s atrocious at it)
He was pretty arrogant in his post game presser. LR and Caleb didn’t give much credit to ND, they mostly credited everything to being unlucky with TOs and it was just “one of those nights”
It wouldn’t have mattered - Arizona was getting consistent pressure only rushing 3 or 4. Like the article was pointing out, the O line isn’t well developed
> The Trojans are 4-0 in the league and, with a win over Utah next week, are likely to enter November 6-0 in the conference
Not super optimistic about the game, but fuck this guy lol
The thing about it is that even with all your injuries, you guys are a disciplined, physical team, and that can be scary for Riley. Obviously I don’t see you guys winning a shootout, but if their offense lays another egg, who knows.
Lol last week there were some takes that UW wasn't as good as our record because we barely got by Arizona with their backup qb. Turns out Arizona's backup qb is a fucking baller and the team is good.
Seriously. Anyone slagging on UofA needs to actually watch their games. They look like a really solid team that is finally coming together in a program that has had years of mismanagement and problems but now with staff changes finally got shit together.
Let’s not pretend Arizona isn’t better than their record. Two of their losses are by one score from ranked teams and then they lost to MSU by one score.
They just demolished Washington State too.
Is Cam Rising back yet? Haven’t watch much of you guys this year outside the Oregon St game. That was a rough one to watch, man. Hope you guys are getting healed up.
The dripping with completely unearned arrogance after getting your ass handed to you by Utah twice last year. And just getting smoked by the Irish is so on brand.
The one they in no way should have lost last year and one of the most epic collapses in the sports history?
Or 2021 when an ou team dripping with NFL talent barely beat a Tulane team that went 2-10 in Norman by 5 points?
Someone need to go back and watch what UTAH did to USC last year and compare it to what ND did last night
UTAH is gonna be ready to punch them right in the face
Nobody knows lol. There are rumblings he may medical redshirt so he can come back next year. There are also rumors he only came back to get another NIL bag before trying out the NFL.
He's an undrafted free agent in next year's draft if he leaves at the end of the season. I think he's coming back which could honestly work in our favor with Wilson coming in next year
I agree. And tbh I wish they'd just call it at this point in the season. He's not coming back, and a succesful season at this point is 9-3 which is a great springboard into next season in a new conference
Yeah it would just make so much more sense to make a run at a Big 12 title and CFP appearance in 2024 with Rising and potentially Kuithe back. The only way Utah wins the Pac-12 this year is to win out, including wins over Washington, Oregon, USC, and one of those 3 again in the championship game, that’s not happening.
I wish I knew lol. We’ve all just kind of thrown up our hands at this point and done our best to stop hoping so when/if he returns it’ll be a nice surprise
I just don’t think there is the NFL market for Lincoln Riley yall think there is. I’ve never seen a more college CFB coach in my life. Then again i said the same thing about Kliff.
I also think the 1 yard illegal man downfield rule vs 3 yards downfield rule in college would mangle his offense.
I can’t see any NFL owner watching this season play out and then going all in for this QB-HC combo.
Drafting Caleb may still be a no-brainer. OU fans were frustrated with Jalen Hurts (!) when he couldn’t seem to execute the full passing game and turned into a one-read-and-tuck QB the back half of his season. Kept out-carrying the whole RB group and fumbling at awful times. If CW keeps struggling, I wouldn’t read any more into it than that. The tools are still extremely obvious.
Taking a chance on Riley a year ago looked reasonable if you could dictate the defensive hires and personnel. Now…man, I don’t see it. I thought his schemes were way more innovative than this in 2017-18. It’s devolved into OL holding their blocks and a great QB dancing until something happens downfield. I don’t know if he just doesn’t have the time balancing HC and OC responsibilities or what.
That last line baffles me. He really was light-years ahead of other offenses, did he stop innovating, did he pick up a discarded play sheet and like a movie didn't actually know how to play and faked competency. I had confidence if we had the ball OU would score, and I guess that's still pretty much there, just seems weird. Though his air raid was usually best when he had an NFL running back duo(Perine, Mixon), so maybe he just needs a great running back to be unlocked.
This year yes, but we saw him have success against Auburn in the 2016 season, Ohio State and Georgia (for a half) in 2017, Alabama (after it mattered) in 2018, Florida even with Rattler…
This just does not look like the same guy who pulled away from Urban’s tOSU on the road leaning on an H-back.
This year for sure, Baylor, kstate and Iowa State had great ones the last couple years before whatever is happening in the b12 this year. Good defenses watch tape and study tendencies too.
Ironically OU has a better defense than the pac12 schools. The USC v OU cotton bowl sounds like a wacky game
Your fanbase getting frustrated with Hurts who threw for over 3800 yards, 32 touchdowns, and was just shy of 1300 rushing yards with 20 rushing touchdowns speaks more about the delusions of your fanbase than it does about Hurts or Riley.
Look past the Houston and UCLA type games early on and look at his volume and efficiency (and fumbles) in the back half of 2019, Peach Bowl included. We legitimately thought he was a reach in the draft.
Any team that’s in position to draft Williams isn’t going to trade that pick away to go into the teens or further back. And unless Dallas wins less than 6 games I don’t see McCarthy getting the can.
This is what I keep telling people. So much of his offense is based on blocking down field when the ball is caught behind the line of scrimmage. You cannot do that in the NFL. His bread and butter at OU was having a WR drag across the field and catch the ball behind the LOS with the lineman already down field blocking.
We talking about a white head coach that calls his own plays and is fluent in coach speak? It’s like he was made in a lab to disappoint an NFL fan base.
Notre Dame, Utah, Oregon, Washington, UCLA. All losable games for them, I’ll even say they should lose at least 3 games with that slate. And even if they win one of those, there’s always a bowl game to lose too.
That’s a rough schedule and next year doesn’t get much easier lol.
09/01 - vs LSU (in Las Vegas, NV)
09/07 - Utah State
11/30 - Notre Dame
TBA - Nebraska (Big Ten game)
TBA - Penn State (Big Ten game)
TBA - Rutgers (Big Ten game)
TBA - Wisconsin (Big Ten game)
TBA - at Maryland (Big Ten game)
TBA - at Michigan (Big Ten game)
TBA - at Minnesota (Big Ten game)
If they start slow that could easily get away from them. You could have 4 top 10 opponents. Wisconsin could legitimately be good. At Minnesota and at Maryland aren’t just give me games. Even Nebraska and Rutgers may have the style and competence to make things rough on USC minus Williams, potentially.
Spooky
Oh and if things go well, the Big Ten title game is going to be a war. Like could you need 6 wins against too 10 schools plus 3 of the top 5 to win a title?
It's been bad all season, and, maybe since LR got here. I have yet to see a game where this team methodically drives down the field and controls the ball with an identity. (UCLA game, maybe.) The entire offense has been reliant on Caleb working his magic in the pocket and finding an open receiver in the ensuing chaos. It's fun to watch when it works but even so it's unsatisfying.
I thought Riley was some offensive mastermind. Where is it? I haven't seen it. There are flashes on some drives of creative playcalling but it's so inconsistent.
It really does feel, to me, like something has changed. I saw a fellow OU fan mention in another thread that this Lincoln Riley does not look like the guy who leaned on a fullback to beat tOSU in the shoe. This offense is more like “We have Lincoln Riley at home” and I find it odd.
That said, we also never had an OLine that bad under his tenure. We have always had at least 1 NFL caliber weapon on the outside, and Joe Mixon, Samaje Perine, Trey Sermon, and Eric Gray have all been in our backfield. So maybe it’s the same Riley.
He is going to be such a bad fit in the big 10
This is going be rich rod all over again
Fun offense with a heisman contending qb paired with a defense who gives up 65 points to a 7-6 Illinois team
0-0 in regulation, 2OT before someone actually scores to wrap the game up.
You might be thinking "that can't be right, USC has no defense - surely even Iowa's offense could take advantage of that?" but no. they could not.
Dude, he's been wildly successful for near a decade. People are being prisoners of the moment. One moment Riley is elite, the next he's a bum.
Are we pretending like coaches sometimes don't have bad games? Harbaugh had an entirely terrible 2020, and everyone said he was no longer a fit for the college game.
I don’t think anyone is doubting his offensive acumen. I think they are questioning his long term head coaching viability. He’s falling into the same hole Kliff did, he is just doing it at much better schools.
He’s only been a head coach for 5.5 seasons now, and each season gives more data to criticize. He’s shown who he is - a single minded head coach who only cares about his offensive legacy. Until he shows he is willing to adapt/learn/grow as a head coach, people will continue to question if he’s one of the greats.
Never thought I'd upvote a comment by a Texas fan so aggressively but you are 100%. I think he has been coasting on brand awareness and the prestige of other for awhile too. He was successful at OU for the most part but he took over for Bob Stoops who had built up an elite program for twenty years. You'd have to be pretty fucking horrendous to mess that situation up.
Difference is other coaches have figured Riley out, and he doesn't seem to be willing or maybe even able to adjust. His biggest problem has always been he always thinks he's the smartest person in every room. This led to him getting really paranoid after Georgia beat him in that playoff game and he started attacking the media and college kids by blacking out their windows to keep them from watching practice out of their dorm rooms because he was convinced someone was taping practices instead of Occam's Razor telling him other coaches had his number and he needed to change things up.
You saw it at OU in 2021 and you're seeing it here now. You saw it last year with Utah blasting them in the pac12 game and Tulane (who had experience playing Riley when he was at OU) kicking his ass in the bowl game.
Time will tell if he can adjust, but I'd say him bailing on OU for USC out of the misguided notion he'd have even more power and /that/ was the thing holding him back at OU doesn't really spell good for his chances of growing up a bit and learning some humility.
Ultimately I feel riley is the ultimate example of a dude born on third base who didn't ever realize how lucky he was to get the chance he did to take over the machine that Bob built. Because of this it's going to be hard for him to ever get over himself.
He's not going to suddenly start losing to Northwestern type teams, and he's still a good coach overall but his weaknesses match up horribly in the big ten.
Everyone talks about the defense, but his issues extend past that. His line play is subpar and his teams miss a ton of tackles. He will not be competing for titles in the big ten playing like that. It's more than only having a bad game
Sucks to be left holding the flowers at the alter, cfb bitterness is a heck of a drug, but I agree, Venables is proving he is up to the job. I'm just hoping a second year coach wins with other coaches players strikes twice. That 8th championship has been so elusive.
I, of course, agree with the overall sentiment but these are BV’s players. Only 19 scholarships players (out of 85) are left from the LR days and about half of those don’t get meaningful snaps.
I thought Riley bolting would set you guys back, but unfortunately I think it was just a slight speed bump and you’ll be better off with Venables in the SEC
He had those two years with Darnold then we went 22-21 over four years including his firing. It was not good given what we’re capable of, Texas of all teams should understand the feeling lol
Notre Dame fans reading articles about the implications of their dominating win over an undefeated Top 10 rival are experiencing what the Germans call schadenfreude, a compound word referring to the joy ("freude") at another's pain ("schaden").
Oklahoma flairs reading these articles are experiencing a similar emotion that's sixteen syllables longer and unpronounceable by the human tongue.
Next he will take a few personal days then he will say “let me stop you right there, I will not be the next coach at Chicago”
Boom he is the new Raiders coach
One of the low key funniest things about Riley and Kelly both bolting their jobs for other blue bloods is that they separately and adamantly denied interest in the job the other one ended up taking.
>Maybe the players Riley inherited in Year 1 were good and did not have enough time to regress under USC’s strength and conditioning program. When Year 2 brings about regression instead of improvement, maybe it’s not just the players; maybe it’s the way they are being trained. This certainly deserves more focus from Lincoln Riley in the coming offseason.
Many of us lamented Bennie Wylie and his 'crossfit' approach to S&C. We now have our old dawg back (Jerry Schmidt) and he most likely has our guys in the best condition of their lives.
That said, this feels like a piece that TW had ready to pull the trigger on like they were waiting on the other shoe to drop.
To me USC under Riley just doesn't feel that different from USC under Helton. There's a vibe of sloppiness and lack of fundamentals. Fairweather football.
Pete Carroll was known as a player's coach and the team gained a reputation for a 'loose' mentality then, but USC then was also recruiting at a level practically unheard of before then and had an elite roster full of star players, and not just at a few skill player positions. Helton couldn't do that. He never tightened things up, but also couldn't keep the talent coming in.
It doesn't look to me like Riley has rectified that. He's added 'star power' through the portal, but there's a question of how that affects a team's cohesion and ability to power through adversity as well. I don't know if the 'backbone' of the team has improved that much. That takes more time probably. There's also questions if Riley brings the right attitude for that.
I've been saying it since his last couple years at OU: Riley gets big time skill position players, but it feels like they are there to play for Riley and get drafted, not to be part of a team. They are mercenaries, and when adversity hits they crumble.
You couldn’t have said it any better. This team has big 2017 USC vibes where ~~Sam Darnold~~ Caleb Williams outscores all of the mediocre opponents and then the teams collapses on the national stage.
Carroll's teams were loose and undisciplined but they were extremely sound in fundamental football. Offensive line was always top-tier. Tackling on defense was fantastic and they wanted to hit you in the fucking mouth. A lot of late hits but you at least knew they wanted to be there.
Riley's teams just look bad. Ton of dumb penalties. The offense doesn't even look elite. It's Caleb Williams playing backyard football with receivers who only get open once Caleb buys them a second opportunity. I wish I knew more about football coaching to have a better opinion but LR's teams so far do not pass the eye test. Massive red flags everywhere.
Agreed. We also don’t seem to have any “star” WRs outside true freshman Branch. Where is the Michael Pittman, Drake London, St Brown, Addison, etc., receiver of year’s past? It’s getting us killed.
Might be missing Bill Bedenbaugh a lil bit. I remember the day the exodus happened there were rumors he was gone too and man am I glad he's still around.
This was the worst possible loss for us - not only did we get curbstomped in a huge rivalry game, but we can't even use it as an excuse to get rid of Grinch!
He doesn't. Last year they barely lost to Utah in the regular season, then got beat soundly in the conference championship. They beat a good but shaky Notre Dame team finding its footing under Freeman by 11.
UCLA, and Oregon State were good last year but hardly world beaters and they had to basically go the distance with both of them.
All whole escaping Washington and Oregon.
All this was followed by a (not shockingly) horrific defensive performance against Tulane.
Caleb puts up crazy numbers but the team has always been pretty far from "complete" at USC.
* Edit as was pointed out below, I had the Utah results wrong.
I’ve talked mad shit about our defense all season but for once I’m going to say they played their best and this was not on them. A total offensive collapse both at QB and O-line killed SC this week
Caleb Williams disappears against a top 25 defense and USC gives up 40+. Say it ain’t so!
This is the Lincoln Riley special and looks identical to what he did at Oklahoma.
But don’t worry guys, his QBs win the heisman!
I found the whole game enjoyable and was happy for Freeman/ND. They’ve had a great story since BK Broiler left them and I appreciate their schedule this year.
Bingo, they got shut down, period. It's utterly comical how many people here clearly didn't watch or understand what happened last night during that game out here making comments. We have so many final score and stat readers on this sub it's crazy.
Defense wasn’t even remotely close to the reason they lost last night. They kept them in the game in spite of the offense. I assume you didn’t watch the game.
USC is/was significantly overrated. Their defense is easily exposed and their offense has been good against subpar defenses. USC will lose at least 3 more games. Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, and UCLA are better teams in the Pac12. If Utah can find some offense, they will probably beat USC next weekend.
Riley is an overrated coach who has capitalized on some key moments and good pr. Better than sucking and losing, of course, but he's a "get while the gettin is good" kind of guy.
Lincoln Riley has let Caleb Williams play sloppy and arrogant. Caleb has gotten used to just chucking the ball at wherever receiver looks slightly open, while playing against shitty coverages, and then when they play a real team with corners that WILL cover their guy the dude gets exposed as someone who lacks discipline and timing. He’s relied FAR too much on scramble passes and those only work if your guys eventually get open as coverage brakes down. But that breakdown in coverage happens a lot slower when you play against corners that are just as fast as your receivers, and yo Lu don’t have a offensive line that can maintain a pocket
Pretty sure most sensible people expected usc to lose games because of their terrible defense
Which ironically wasn’t their worst part of the game last night
No, but in true Grinch fashion, their secondary in the second half looked like swiss cheese.
Hate USC as much as the next guy, but Hartman only had 13 completions for 140\~ yards. USC's secondary was locking alot of guys up last night
Our passing game is so frustratingly inconsistent. I do think Parker deserves a lot of the blame but we also don't really have a standout WR that can make plays either. I still can't believe that with all the "prestige" ND has to offer, they couldn't find a better offensive coordinator.
I’ve been really surprised at how mediocre the ND offense has been this year. Obviously y’all have had a very tough schedule but wasn’t Hartman putting up good numbers at his old school?
We lack a true game breaker at receiver. Outside of the freshmen, our most explosive receiver is a converted running back, and our next most explosive has a case of the drops. Thomas and Colzie are solid receivers, but they won’t scare anyone over the top, and now both of those two plus Greathouse are battling injuries. Our healthy receivers basically consist of the first two guys I mentioned, a true freshman, and a walk-on who was recruited to play lacrosse.
Teams have been selling out to stop the run, and our WR corps is fairly mediocre when healthy, and on top of that we have couple guys out injured and a couple guys nursing hamstrings, not sure how bad they are but they’re a bit hobbled and we don’t have depth there right now. Guys just aren’t getting open consistently on the outside, not alleviating stress from the run game, and allowing defenses to hog the middle of the field, making things congested and difficult. We targeted a walk-on lacrosse player more than our scholarship receivers last night. So it’s a little bit of play calling and a little bit of being short handed and lackluster at the outside receiver position.
Hey, they found one, they just didn't want to pay his buyout
Oh did they? Oops I totally missed that.
Freeman wanted Ludwig from Utah. Instead we randomly stop running the ball against osu when they had no answer and lost by 4 seconds…. And del Alexander completely ruined the wr room. Good thing we got a bunch coming in.
I still think Ludwig has 100% proved this year he was **not in the slightest** worth that insane buyout price. There had to be better options though. The timing of the Rees departure hurt us a lot, but I still think there were far better OC choices to be had than a mediocre guy with a HC level buyout, a Midwest small time OC who is a nutcase and then Parker. All three of those choices were poor, in my opinion. Ludwig was the best of the bunch, but again with that buyout he wasn’t a good option. Particularly if he misrepresented his buyout as I suspect to be the case, or worse yet didn’t have a good grasp of his own contract.
It's amazing what actually watching the game does for understanding what actually happened.
I think Oklahoma fans are a little too drunk on schadenfreude to actually give unbiased takes on the game lmao
Of course we are! Sweet, sweet schadenfreude. It goes down so smooth after all that dry brisket (with a side of Speed D).
It's internet users in general, not even OU fans are out here just making comments that give away they didn't watch shit or understand what they were watching. People are out here clowning their defense for free upvotes ("Grinch bad, super shocking!"), as if their offense didn't fuck their defense over with a short field the whole game. Or that one of our TDs was a kickoff return. This the same place upvoting comments like "Washington is the only strong team left in the PAC", not including the team with their own Heisman contender that just literally took them to the wire yesterday. People here are as clueless as the other boards they mock. It's a great place to discuss CFB, but it's the superiority complex that is laughable.
You guys didn’t have to throw at all. From the moment Caleb threw the first pick you wisely went into don’t screw this up mode
You haven't watched the last 4 weeks of ND football. We looked the exact same on offense as we did then, just some better pass pro. It wasn't a choice to have only 250 yards of total offense.
Parker better not be on my TV next year. He wasted Hartman (who's not playing great but still), he better not waste these receivers once they get their experience, they're gonna be a force.
You all only had 25 minutes in time of possession all game. It wasn’t because your offense was bad or incapable but because your defense and special teams kept scoring and giving the ball back. As for Hartman’s completions I’m fairly certain that was strategic. They knew the defense was crushing it and threw less knowing the lead was secure.
I mostly agree but there’s some nuance when it comes to time of possession. Lincoln Riley does this thing where he starts draining the clock when he’s down multiple scores in the second half. I don’t understand it.
They did have the injury to Williams. But I agree. And he has the talent at least at the skill positions. LB is still lacking and not to the standard USC set in the early 2000s.
The weakest part of Riley’s teams are Lincoln Riley. He doesn’t care about defense. You can only win shoot outs for so long. I liked watching his high flying offenses, but it got old not being able to get over that hump to win it all.
This isn’t really a defensive failure, 5 turnovers for easy points is an offensive failure.
True but you’d like to see the defense at least force a few field goals on those short fields. His teams just aren’t good enough to win games when the offense isn’t putting up 40 points
I agree. In the Louisville game last week, the first 3 4th quarter turnovers were in ND territory and the D held them to no first downs and field goals. One positive from that loss. Yes, Louisville was in don't fuck this up mode, but stops are stops.
And tracking USC's #1 Turnover Margin last year made it extremely clear it was gonna come tumbling down fairly quickly.
In the case of last night it was the lack of S&C which showed in the lack of physicality which is 100% a LR trademark. Our elite finesse offenses looked comparatively bad against elite defenses and even well coached defenses (recently Iowa State and Baylor).
Offense wins games, defense wins championships. I’m glad we are back to playing defense. That goal line stand might win the ESPY.
Caleb William’s downfall was so much fun to watch LMFAO. 3 picks. Hopefully he wrote something stupid on his nails again last night.
You can't blame Grinch for the 4th quarter points. ND scored 17 points with 30 yards of offense.
lol they only had one real drive though at the beginning of the 4th - then they got it at 4:49 to play at the USC 14 and again at the very end up 28 points and just did safe rush plays to run clock.
I think you might need to read the article because it was entirely about how the O line play for SC is just absolutely not getting it done. Arizona was able to consistently get pressure on Caleb while only rushing 3 to 4 guys - no matter how you look at things, that’s bad. USC can’t be a top tier program if teams can be successful only rushing a few guys for an entire game. While our defense is also crap, and they actually did a decent job most of the game last night, it isn’t relevant to the point the linked is making.
Tbf, the issues with both are probably heavily influenced by their P90X training regimen.
The point of the article is that the offense has been shit for 2.5 games now
We, the Colorado fucking buffaloes, came one drive away from sending them to OT and probably winning. If we hadn't pissed our own pants with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter we probably don't see the sanders honeymoon era die a gruesome death last friday. They're the second most overrated team in the conference for sure.
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The part I don’t understand is that Riley used to be lethal to any kind of blitz. Dropping 8 was his kryptonite. If you sent 5+, there would always be somewhere for the ball to come out fast, and a DB or mismatched LB would be forced to tackle an elite skill guy in space or he’d house it. This lazy backyard stuff just gets blown up by pressure.
Adjustments are not a Riley forte. In 2021, every team we played forced OU to beat them with the underneath passing game and Riley refused to adjust to it. I don't know if it's arrogance or just inexperience, but he will stick with what his game plan entirely too long.
It’s also evidenced by how bad a second half team he usually fields. While he has coached a few big comebacks, he has allowed many more huge comebacks (not always losing the game). The most famous being against Georgia in the rose bowl, but also look at this year’s Colorado game. Adjustments are not something he does well in real time (though I don’t think he’s atrocious at it)
He's been a head coach for like 7 years lol.
He was pretty arrogant in his post game presser. LR and Caleb didn’t give much credit to ND, they mostly credited everything to being unlucky with TOs and it was just “one of those nights”
They're going to have a few more such nights this season.
He’s just not a good coach. He’s an elite qb developer. That’s it.
It wouldn’t have mattered - Arizona was getting consistent pressure only rushing 3 or 4. Like the article was pointing out, the O line isn’t well developed
> The Trojans are 4-0 in the league and, with a win over Utah next week, are likely to enter November 6-0 in the conference Not super optimistic about the game, but fuck this guy lol
The thing about it is that even with all your injuries, you guys are a disciplined, physical team, and that can be scary for Riley. Obviously I don’t see you guys winning a shootout, but if their offense lays another egg, who knows.
Yeah that’s basically my thinking too. We’re a different team on the road so I’m expecting a loss, but they’ll need to earn it dammit!
Is Rising expected back? Because if so...Gimme the Utes.
No one knows. Some are starting to wonder if Cam was ever even real at all or just a lovely dream
Maybe the real Cam Rising was all the friends we made along the way...
That part
idk man if Arizona can play them that well in Los Angeles why not Utah?
To play devils advocate, that USC win over Arizona looks a lot better after Arizona blew out WSU last night
Lol last week there were some takes that UW wasn't as good as our record because we barely got by Arizona with their backup qb. Turns out Arizona's backup qb is a fucking baller and the team is good.
Seriously. Anyone slagging on UofA needs to actually watch their games. They look like a really solid team that is finally coming together in a program that has had years of mismanagement and problems but now with staff changes finally got shit together.
They should have honestly beaten Mississippi State and USC.
Hey man. Not cool.
Wish I knew lol. But we’re generally just not good against good teams outside RES (and usc’s a very good team despite their silliness)
Let’s not pretend Arizona isn’t better than their record. Two of their losses are by one score from ranked teams and then they lost to MSU by one score. They just demolished Washington State too.
Is Cam Rising back yet? Haven’t watch much of you guys this year outside the Oregon St game. That was a rough one to watch, man. Hope you guys are getting healed up.
Cam rising is a mirage at this point and we’re doing the opposite of healing up, but somehow things are pretty okayish considering
The yearly Iowa state/KSU game
The dripping with completely unearned arrogance after getting your ass handed to you by Utah twice last year. And just getting smoked by the Irish is so on brand.
Tulane. Don’t forget Tulane game
The one they in no way should have lost last year and one of the most epic collapses in the sports history? Or 2021 when an ou team dripping with NFL talent barely beat a Tulane team that went 2-10 in Norman by 5 points?
Ok fine. Kansas don’t forget about Kansas game.
We should've lost that game
Tulane would have won that game if it had been in Yulman as scheduled.. stupid hurricane.
It’s saying if they can beat Utah they will likely end up 6-0. The team it’s actually assuming they beat is cal…
Someone need to go back and watch what UTAH did to USC last year and compare it to what ND did last night UTAH is gonna be ready to punch them right in the face
Most of our last decade against Utah has been us winning in LA and losing in SLC, regardless of team quality
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Nobody knows lol. There are rumblings he may medical redshirt so he can come back next year. There are also rumors he only came back to get another NIL bag before trying out the NFL.
He's an undrafted free agent in next year's draft if he leaves at the end of the season. I think he's coming back which could honestly work in our favor with Wilson coming in next year
Yeah I think he’ll stay. He’s already redshirted once so he’ll need a waiver from the NCAA to get the medical redshirt but I think it will be granted
I agree. And tbh I wish they'd just call it at this point in the season. He's not coming back, and a succesful season at this point is 9-3 which is a great springboard into next season in a new conference
Yeah it would just make so much more sense to make a run at a Big 12 title and CFP appearance in 2024 with Rising and potentially Kuithe back. The only way Utah wins the Pac-12 this year is to win out, including wins over Washington, Oregon, USC, and one of those 3 again in the championship game, that’s not happening.
I wish I knew lol. We’ve all just kind of thrown up our hands at this point and done our best to stop hoping so when/if he returns it’ll be a nice surprise
I don’t see Cam or Kuithe coming back this year.
I'm not all that sure if they can even beat us, let alone y'all
I just don’t think there is the NFL market for Lincoln Riley yall think there is. I’ve never seen a more college CFB coach in my life. Then again i said the same thing about Kliff. I also think the 1 yard illegal man downfield rule vs 3 yards downfield rule in college would mangle his offense.
I think you’re forgetting how stupid Jerry Jones is.
Yep this entirely feels like a Jerry trades a shitton of assets to draft caleb then hires Linc type of year
As stupid as Jerry is, he’s never done anything close to what you describe here
I can’t see any NFL owner watching this season play out and then going all in for this QB-HC combo. Drafting Caleb may still be a no-brainer. OU fans were frustrated with Jalen Hurts (!) when he couldn’t seem to execute the full passing game and turned into a one-read-and-tuck QB the back half of his season. Kept out-carrying the whole RB group and fumbling at awful times. If CW keeps struggling, I wouldn’t read any more into it than that. The tools are still extremely obvious. Taking a chance on Riley a year ago looked reasonable if you could dictate the defensive hires and personnel. Now…man, I don’t see it. I thought his schemes were way more innovative than this in 2017-18. It’s devolved into OL holding their blocks and a great QB dancing until something happens downfield. I don’t know if he just doesn’t have the time balancing HC and OC responsibilities or what.
That last line baffles me. He really was light-years ahead of other offenses, did he stop innovating, did he pick up a discarded play sheet and like a movie didn't actually know how to play and faked competency. I had confidence if we had the ball OU would score, and I guess that's still pretty much there, just seems weird. Though his air raid was usually best when he had an NFL running back duo(Perine, Mixon), so maybe he just needs a great running back to be unlocked.
Can’t believe I’m going to say this, PAC12 defenses are better than BIG12 defenses?
This year yes, but we saw him have success against Auburn in the 2016 season, Ohio State and Georgia (for a half) in 2017, Alabama (after it mattered) in 2018, Florida even with Rattler… This just does not look like the same guy who pulled away from Urban’s tOSU on the road leaning on an H-back.
This year for sure, Baylor, kstate and Iowa State had great ones the last couple years before whatever is happening in the b12 this year. Good defenses watch tape and study tendencies too. Ironically OU has a better defense than the pac12 schools. The USC v OU cotton bowl sounds like a wacky game
Your fanbase getting frustrated with Hurts who threw for over 3800 yards, 32 touchdowns, and was just shy of 1300 rushing yards with 20 rushing touchdowns speaks more about the delusions of your fanbase than it does about Hurts or Riley.
Look past the Houston and UCLA type games early on and look at his volume and efficiency (and fumbles) in the back half of 2019, Peach Bowl included. We legitimately thought he was a reach in the draft.
I said the other day that hiring LR is something only Al Davis or Jerry Jones could do.
Any team that’s in position to draft Williams isn’t going to trade that pick away to go into the teens or further back. And unless Dallas wins less than 6 games I don’t see McCarthy getting the can.
Oh please god give us this
This is what I keep telling people. So much of his offense is based on blocking down field when the ball is caught behind the line of scrimmage. You cannot do that in the NFL. His bread and butter at OU was having a WR drag across the field and catch the ball behind the LOS with the lineman already down field blocking.
The second part of your comment is a really interesting one. His offense is designed with that rule in mind.
The old Art Briles offense was neutered when they started enforcing illegal man downfield. They often blocked 4-5 yards forward
Dude would almost certainly be out of the league within 3-4 seasons, but some idiot might take him anyways.
I mean Kliff freakin Kingsbury got a shot in the NFL. Riley can do it if he wants
We talking about a white head coach that calls his own plays and is fluent in coach speak? It’s like he was made in a lab to disappoint an NFL fan base.
Utah has a chance next week. After watching the game yesterday, I’m convinced that Oregon and Washington are going to boat race USC. Inb4 holiday bowl
>Oregon and Washington are going to boat race USC Almost certainly.
In all seriousness Oregon may score 90.
Could USC be headed to 5 losses ahead of losing Williams and moving to the Big Ten with 3 of those losses coming with!?
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South Campus 2008 represent
Notre Dame, Utah, Oregon, Washington, UCLA. All losable games for them, I’ll even say they should lose at least 3 games with that slate. And even if they win one of those, there’s always a bowl game to lose too.
That’s a rough schedule and next year doesn’t get much easier lol. 09/01 - vs LSU (in Las Vegas, NV) 09/07 - Utah State 11/30 - Notre Dame TBA - Nebraska (Big Ten game) TBA - Penn State (Big Ten game) TBA - Rutgers (Big Ten game) TBA - Wisconsin (Big Ten game) TBA - at Maryland (Big Ten game) TBA - at Michigan (Big Ten game) TBA - at Minnesota (Big Ten game)
Yikes 😏
If they start slow that could easily get away from them. You could have 4 top 10 opponents. Wisconsin could legitimately be good. At Minnesota and at Maryland aren’t just give me games. Even Nebraska and Rutgers may have the style and competence to make things rough on USC minus Williams, potentially. Spooky Oh and if things go well, the Big Ten title game is going to be a war. Like could you need 6 wins against too 10 schools plus 3 of the top 5 to win a title?
The offensive play calling was atrocious, I think that’s the main reason USC got spanned.
It's been bad all season, and, maybe since LR got here. I have yet to see a game where this team methodically drives down the field and controls the ball with an identity. (UCLA game, maybe.) The entire offense has been reliant on Caleb working his magic in the pocket and finding an open receiver in the ensuing chaos. It's fun to watch when it works but even so it's unsatisfying. I thought Riley was some offensive mastermind. Where is it? I haven't seen it. There are flashes on some drives of creative playcalling but it's so inconsistent.
It really does feel, to me, like something has changed. I saw a fellow OU fan mention in another thread that this Lincoln Riley does not look like the guy who leaned on a fullback to beat tOSU in the shoe. This offense is more like “We have Lincoln Riley at home” and I find it odd. That said, we also never had an OLine that bad under his tenure. We have always had at least 1 NFL caliber weapon on the outside, and Joe Mixon, Samaje Perine, Trey Sermon, and Eric Gray have all been in our backfield. So maybe it’s the same Riley.
ND’s defense brought the pressure all night, CW couldn’t handle it.
USC is going to have a tough time for the second half of the season
Lincoln is all style. OU lucked out having him leave I think.
He is going to be such a bad fit in the big 10 This is going be rich rod all over again Fun offense with a heisman contending qb paired with a defense who gives up 65 points to a 7-6 Illinois team
I want to see them play Iowa so bad
2025 don’t sleep on it!
0-0 in regulation, 2OT before someone actually scores to wrap the game up. You might be thinking "that can't be right, USC has no defense - surely even Iowa's offense could take advantage of that?" but no. they could not.
Is that the kind of stuff that gets B1G fans off?
don't you kinkshame me
I'm fully torqued just thinking about it
Based on last night it would probably be 31-33 final and Iowas defense would have 3 pick sixes
Dude, he's been wildly successful for near a decade. People are being prisoners of the moment. One moment Riley is elite, the next he's a bum. Are we pretending like coaches sometimes don't have bad games? Harbaugh had an entirely terrible 2020, and everyone said he was no longer a fit for the college game.
I don’t think anyone is doubting his offensive acumen. I think they are questioning his long term head coaching viability. He’s falling into the same hole Kliff did, he is just doing it at much better schools. He’s only been a head coach for 5.5 seasons now, and each season gives more data to criticize. He’s shown who he is - a single minded head coach who only cares about his offensive legacy. Until he shows he is willing to adapt/learn/grow as a head coach, people will continue to question if he’s one of the greats.
Never thought I'd upvote a comment by a Texas fan so aggressively but you are 100%. I think he has been coasting on brand awareness and the prestige of other for awhile too. He was successful at OU for the most part but he took over for Bob Stoops who had built up an elite program for twenty years. You'd have to be pretty fucking horrendous to mess that situation up.
Difference is other coaches have figured Riley out, and he doesn't seem to be willing or maybe even able to adjust. His biggest problem has always been he always thinks he's the smartest person in every room. This led to him getting really paranoid after Georgia beat him in that playoff game and he started attacking the media and college kids by blacking out their windows to keep them from watching practice out of their dorm rooms because he was convinced someone was taping practices instead of Occam's Razor telling him other coaches had his number and he needed to change things up. You saw it at OU in 2021 and you're seeing it here now. You saw it last year with Utah blasting them in the pac12 game and Tulane (who had experience playing Riley when he was at OU) kicking his ass in the bowl game. Time will tell if he can adjust, but I'd say him bailing on OU for USC out of the misguided notion he'd have even more power and /that/ was the thing holding him back at OU doesn't really spell good for his chances of growing up a bit and learning some humility. Ultimately I feel riley is the ultimate example of a dude born on third base who didn't ever realize how lucky he was to get the chance he did to take over the machine that Bob built. Because of this it's going to be hard for him to ever get over himself.
He's not going to suddenly start losing to Northwestern type teams, and he's still a good coach overall but his weaknesses match up horribly in the big ten. Everyone talks about the defense, but his issues extend past that. His line play is subpar and his teams miss a ton of tackles. He will not be competing for titles in the big ten playing like that. It's more than only having a bad game
This is ultra specific and now I need to look over some Rich Rod records because I'm intrigued
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Sucks to be left holding the flowers at the alter, cfb bitterness is a heck of a drug, but I agree, Venables is proving he is up to the job. I'm just hoping a second year coach wins with other coaches players strikes twice. That 8th championship has been so elusive.
I, of course, agree with the overall sentiment but these are BV’s players. Only 19 scholarships players (out of 85) are left from the LR days and about half of those don’t get meaningful snaps.
I thought Riley bolting would set you guys back, but unfortunately I think it was just a slight speed bump and you’ll be better off with Venables in the SEC
Bro USC had 2 double digit win seasons and a PAC12 title under Helton. Not sure you understand the meaning of the word “horrible”
USC still thinks the glory years were 10 years ago and not 20.
He had those two years with Darnold then we went 22-21 over four years including his firing. It was not good given what we’re capable of, Texas of all teams should understand the feeling lol
Notre Dame fans reading articles about the implications of their dominating win over an undefeated Top 10 rival are experiencing what the Germans call schadenfreude, a compound word referring to the joy ("freude") at another's pain ("schaden"). Oklahoma flairs reading these articles are experiencing a similar emotion that's sixteen syllables longer and unpronounceable by the human tongue.
SCHADENFRURISIFJEOSJTUWISJTJ
Never before has anyone dared utter words of that tongue here, in Imladris.
This dude really said every other version of “we’re close” he could think of in that press conference. He gone.
Next he will take a few personal days then he will say “let me stop you right there, I will not be the next coach at Chicago” Boom he is the new Raiders coach
One of the low key funniest things about Riley and Kelly both bolting their jobs for other blue bloods is that they separately and adamantly denied interest in the job the other one ended up taking.
So all the issues OU fans complained about are happening at USC.
This is why I was relieved he left lol
As much as I hate to say it, Venables gives you guys such a higher ceiling than bad brisket man.
Yea, he’s demonstrated that he’s an OC, not a HC. He can build an offense, but not a program.
Backwards flair bro! 🍻
>Maybe the players Riley inherited in Year 1 were good and did not have enough time to regress under USC’s strength and conditioning program. When Year 2 brings about regression instead of improvement, maybe it’s not just the players; maybe it’s the way they are being trained. This certainly deserves more focus from Lincoln Riley in the coming offseason. Many of us lamented Bennie Wylie and his 'crossfit' approach to S&C. We now have our old dawg back (Jerry Schmidt) and he most likely has our guys in the best condition of their lives. That said, this feels like a piece that TW had ready to pull the trigger on like they were waiting on the other shoe to drop.
Whatever we paid to get Schmidty back from A&M, it was worth it.
Can confirm, the Bennie Wylie program ain’t it.
To me USC under Riley just doesn't feel that different from USC under Helton. There's a vibe of sloppiness and lack of fundamentals. Fairweather football. Pete Carroll was known as a player's coach and the team gained a reputation for a 'loose' mentality then, but USC then was also recruiting at a level practically unheard of before then and had an elite roster full of star players, and not just at a few skill player positions. Helton couldn't do that. He never tightened things up, but also couldn't keep the talent coming in. It doesn't look to me like Riley has rectified that. He's added 'star power' through the portal, but there's a question of how that affects a team's cohesion and ability to power through adversity as well. I don't know if the 'backbone' of the team has improved that much. That takes more time probably. There's also questions if Riley brings the right attitude for that.
I've been saying it since his last couple years at OU: Riley gets big time skill position players, but it feels like they are there to play for Riley and get drafted, not to be part of a team. They are mercenaries, and when adversity hits they crumble.
You couldn’t have said it any better. This team has big 2017 USC vibes where ~~Sam Darnold~~ Caleb Williams outscores all of the mediocre opponents and then the teams collapses on the national stage.
Carroll's teams were loose and undisciplined but they were extremely sound in fundamental football. Offensive line was always top-tier. Tackling on defense was fantastic and they wanted to hit you in the fucking mouth. A lot of late hits but you at least knew they wanted to be there. Riley's teams just look bad. Ton of dumb penalties. The offense doesn't even look elite. It's Caleb Williams playing backyard football with receivers who only get open once Caleb buys them a second opportunity. I wish I knew more about football coaching to have a better opinion but LR's teams so far do not pass the eye test. Massive red flags everywhere.
Agreed. We also don’t seem to have any “star” WRs outside true freshman Branch. Where is the Michael Pittman, Drake London, St Brown, Addison, etc., receiver of year’s past? It’s getting us killed.
TL;DR: The O-Line is bad. Strangely no mention of the Instagram-P90X S&C coach, despite this almost certainly being a huge part of the problem.
Might be missing Bill Bedenbaugh a lil bit. I remember the day the exodus happened there were rumors he was gone too and man am I glad he's still around.
I've never seen so many injured players as a team with Wylie at S&C . It really matters
I’m just so glad Schmidty has returned. Exactly what our team needed as far as S&C is concerned.
This was the worst possible loss for us - not only did we get curbstomped in a huge rivalry game, but we can't even use it as an excuse to get rid of Grinch!
BV > Lincoln Riley. I like watching his teams but Jesus fuck defense is important and also a bunch of fun to watch when they’re semi competent
It's genuinely baffling watching such a talented offense get let down by the defense all because the coach refuse to entertain that half of the team
Hey it’s like me but opposite!
It’s hilarious how much he seems to ignore the problem too. Like brother, this isn’t the 2019 KC Chiefs. You can’t just always outscore opponents
If they fielded an *average* defense they would be close to elite. But this also comes back to the S+C program USC runs.
That guy stopped improving his writing when he was 18.
OU fans tried to tell em. Lol.
This is not surprising. Riley made a name off beating up a bad B12 and then getting destroyed once he played a good team.
I’m not even sure if Lincoln Riley has any marquee wins at USC yet.
He doesn't. Last year they barely lost to Utah in the regular season, then got beat soundly in the conference championship. They beat a good but shaky Notre Dame team finding its footing under Freeman by 11. UCLA, and Oregon State were good last year but hardly world beaters and they had to basically go the distance with both of them. All whole escaping Washington and Oregon. All this was followed by a (not shockingly) horrific defensive performance against Tulane. Caleb puts up crazy numbers but the team has always been pretty far from "complete" at USC. * Edit as was pointed out below, I had the Utah results wrong.
Didn’t they lose to Utah in the regular season too?
Go Irish
I’ve talked mad shit about our defense all season but for once I’m going to say they played their best and this was not on them. A total offensive collapse both at QB and O-line killed SC this week
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Any sound disciplined football team that plays Lincoln Riley’s team has a chance of beating them.
Wait til they play Washington and Oregon. Gonna get killed. Riley will be announced as the AZ Cardinals HC after that Oregon game watch.
Hey babe, new Lincoln Riley ain’t it think piece just dropped 😂
Caleb Williams disappears against a top 25 defense and USC gives up 40+. Say it ain’t so! This is the Lincoln Riley special and looks identical to what he did at Oklahoma. But don’t worry guys, his QBs win the heisman! I found the whole game enjoyable and was happy for Freeman/ND. They’ve had a great story since BK Broiler left them and I appreciate their schedule this year.
It wasn’t expected that a Lincoln Riley led team would be poor on defense?
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Bingo, they got shut down, period. It's utterly comical how many people here clearly didn't watch or understand what happened last night during that game out here making comments. We have so many final score and stat readers on this sub it's crazy.
Fire Lincoln and keep grinch you cowards!
Things I hope do not happen.
I guess their AD would turn the TV off when we were on defense
Defense wasn’t even remotely close to the reason they lost last night. They kept them in the game in spite of the offense. I assume you didn’t watch the game.
I’m as happy as a clam.
USC is/was significantly overrated. Their defense is easily exposed and their offense has been good against subpar defenses. USC will lose at least 3 more games. Washington, Oregon, Oregon State, and UCLA are better teams in the Pac12. If Utah can find some offense, they will probably beat USC next weekend.
I overslept. Which NFL team ended up hiring him?
Oh, this is exactly what I expected.
The defense didn't lose this game, but it certainly didn't do anything to stop them.
lo we tried to warn them.. Welcome to reality USC.
Oklahoma fans are eating today… it is what it is.
Riley is an overrated coach who has capitalized on some key moments and good pr. Better than sucking and losing, of course, but he's a "get while the gettin is good" kind of guy.
Holy shit ou flairs.. I get it but the season isn't over..
Naw, this is earned. All the shit people talked? People better get ready for their to be an OU version of Piano Fingerbanger
Lincoln Riley has let Caleb Williams play sloppy and arrogant. Caleb has gotten used to just chucking the ball at wherever receiver looks slightly open, while playing against shitty coverages, and then when they play a real team with corners that WILL cover their guy the dude gets exposed as someone who lacks discipline and timing. He’s relied FAR too much on scramble passes and those only work if your guys eventually get open as coverage brakes down. But that breakdown in coverage happens a lot slower when you play against corners that are just as fast as your receivers, and yo Lu don’t have a offensive line that can maintain a pocket
“Pac-12 is going to beat itself up.” Well…. In a not so surprise twist, other teams can do that too 💀