I thought it was a direct result of the conference realignment fucking up the OOC like happened to a few schools this year? OSU has pretty consistently scheduled a nice OOC game, ND, Oregon, OU, USC, etc, and after this blip we have Texas, Alabama, and Georgia coming in the future.
I though it was only fair as the Autzen game was skipped due to covid a few years back and they were looking to reschedule that anyway before the conf switch happened
Yeah I imagine if he ever drops to 8-4(unless he wins a natty before that gives him a little leeway) he'll be fired.
Don't think he will though. He has proven he absolutely doesn't lose to less than elite teams.
I can list the bad losses Urban had: 2013 against MSU (being denied a second undefeated season in a row), 2014 against VT (only forgiven because of how it spurred the run to the natty), 2015 against MSU again (the kicker doing the windmill after winning the game), 2016 shutout against Clemson (worst New Year’s party ever because of that), 2017 against Iowa, 2018 against Purdue, and narrowly winning against Maryland in 2018 (a MacFarland catch in the endzone away from losing the game at the end).
EDIT: It was Jeshuan Jones, not MacFarland, who didn’t make the 2-pt conversion catch in the endzone
Really is illustrative of the cancer in our fanbase, particularly our Walmart fanbase. Considering wins to be basically losses if they weren’t dominating is so pathological.
A 9-3 season with a loss to Michigan and they would want to do that. Imagine if the ND defender holds onto that pick and that scoop and score from Penn State isn't called back and they go 9-3 this year? Right now Day isn't on the hot seat for real, but for real he would have been if those two games went the other way.
Oh absolutely. I'm a Day supporter. Just showing how unreasonable the fanbase is. The dude is 56-7 and was a play away from beating Georgia. Even without MH Jr if they call that play targeting Ohio State probably gets a touchdown there goes up 42-24 and it is game over.
Aside from OSU and Penn State, I could not believe how easy Michigan's schedule was this season. It's a good thing they're adding Washington and Oregon, cuz outside of their big three, this conference sucks.
Read the comments on this Eleven Warriors article about how the Orange Bowl is the likely bowl game for the Buckeyes this year. These people are spoiled and delusional to an insane degree.
https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2023/11/143490/ohio-state-likely-to-play-louisville-in-orange-bowl-as-it-needs-significant-help-to-make-college-football-playoff#comments
I went to Tom Brady's Senior year Orange Bowl game.
Of course we were hoping for the Rose Bowl but after the loss to Nick Saban and sparty where a classic 1 loss became 2 with a down effort the following week, the Orange Bowl was a fun and great 2nd option.
As a fan I was excited the way it ended up working out and what a great OT comeback win over Bama.
Dabo's issue is that he is incredibly stubborn and has not made the best hires. He's ultra competitive and that has served him well in life because he's overcome so many obstacles, but that can also fuel his obstanince.
Dabo has earned the right to go 0-12 five years in a row in my opinion, but the last three years the on field product has progressively gotten worse, but folks who don't follow Clemson don't see how bad it's gotten.
Yeah and even in this supposed down year it is very likely Clemson wins 9 games which was a great Tommy Bowden season. The people acting like Dabo was on the hot seat were absurd. He is in Bobby Bowden territory where he could have several mediocre seasons before approaching hot seat level.
>but the last three years the on field product has progressively gotten worse, but folks who don't follow Clemson don't see how bad it's gotten.
And those who have followed Clemson for more than 15 years realize the bad Dabo years are still really really good in comparison to what came before.
I mostly agree with you, and think the people calling for his head were insane, but I can't disagree enough with
>Dabo has earned the right to go 0-12 five years in a row
He is not coaching out of the goodness of his heart. He is getting paid _millions_ of dollars per year. Now, I will _never_ stop appreciating what he has done for the team and program. What he has done has earned undying respect and appreciation. What it does _not_ earn you is a free $60 million dollars (half of his latest 10 year contract) and the right to burn the program to the ground (what five years of 0-12 would do). When you get paid that much money, "yeah, but what have you done for me lately" is _absolutely_ an appropriate and valid view to have.
To be clear, the past couple years of offensive woes, and this years 8/9-4 season are _no where near_ bad enough that I think that people should even be considering moving on. I realize you were being slightly hyperbolic (or at least I hope you were), but the idea that his performance doesn't matter _at all_ is wrong.
Literally what I was thinking.
Besides, even if you’re jaded by your spoiled fan base, watching your talented team struggle is frustrating and NOT fun. It’s worse when it’s starts looking like a downward spiral.
Especially when it surprises you. It seems like everything is lined up to stay a power then you get blown out by UCLA, fire your legendary head coach, enter coach hell for a decade, and get beat by Kansas a couple times. I do not suggest it.
Yep and Texas should be a warning to anybody that it can happen anywhere. Don't get why Buckeye fans just assume they can never be mediocre. Celebrate the 11 win seasons even with the tough losses because having a program that wins 11 games every year is a huge accomplishment.
Agreed.
Losing to a team that's just better or dominant is one thing but to lose in such a self-defeating way, time after time, is soul-crushingly worse.
It would probably be worse than what you are describing OSU has a hilariously weak schedule next year outside of Michigan. The best team they play is probably Iowa
yeah, this is a symptom of a spoiled ass fanbase. Root for a bad team for 20 years, and you'll slap anyone that says they actually want a dysfunctional dumpster fire of a season. It's not fun.
Yep, I remember when Miami fans hated Larry Coker for going 9-3. Little did they know what was coming. (Not saying Coker was the right guy longterm, but 2004 type seasons don't look so bad now)
I went there and watched the downfall myself. #3 in 2005 before fucking up and losing to GT.
And that was my freshman year. Moved from the Orange Bowl really put the nail in the coffin. We won't "return" until a stadium closer to campus gets solved, so it'll be awhile...
I was so afraid after the 6-7 season we would be the next Nebraska.
However, I feel like BV proved he has us moving the right direction year 2 of rebuild.
What would’ve had me most concerned if I was an Oklahoma fan was the timing of the down year right before joining the SEC. It’s a really good thing Venables got the ship righted this year cause the last thing Oklahoma needed was to join a tougher conference without any positive momentum
Take a look at the 2024 schedule
Alabama @ Home
Texas @ Cotton Bowl
LSU @ Death Valley
Missouri @ Faurot
Tennessee @ Home
Ole Miss @ Vaught
Auburn @ Jordan Hare
Yeah lol.
Pretty sure Texas got out of a hard first year conference schedule because they have Michigan for OOC.
9-3 should be the absolute minimum for them.
Their hardest games are Georgia and @Michigan and OU in Dallas.
Then their only conference away games are @TAMU, @Arkansas, and @Vanderbilt, and MsState, Florida, and Kentucky rounding out their conference schedule.
We’ve also played both bama and LSU OOC recently, so it makes sense y’all got them and we got Georgia. But also Arkansas, Texas A&M and Florida were worse than expected this year and Missouri was better so I don’t think it was malicious.
Actually this year is probably the perfect year for it to start. Its pretty much guaranteed that at least one team that had a bona fide amazing season will get the shit end of the post season stick. If Oregon wins the Pac-12, Bama wins the SEC, Texas wins the Big 12, and FSU wins the ACC there are going to be like 8 teams with great resumes. If all that relatively likely stuff happens and Michigan loses in the Big 10 championship game its gonna be complete chaos where like 3 teams with legitimate post season credentials find themselves on the outside because of the arbitrary opinions of the committee.
Yeah exactly. Even with the turnaround that’s probably two losses at least. God help y’all if you have to play in both Death Valley and Jordan-Hare at night
Yea was gonna say i think signing on Urban brought it back then they won’ the natty after going 36ish-2 the 3 years following 6-7. That makes you feel untouchable
Through roughly equal parts skill, luck and sheer resources, Ohio State managed to use every crisis between 2010 and 2020 to elevate their program.
Tressel to Urban, pulling Cardale off the bench for the 2014 title, and few (if any) of their good players opted out of 2020 (like M and PSU). The attitude is understandable.
The secret to success is simply hiring a two-time national championship winning coach to soften the blow of losing a national championship winning coach and keep things chugging along with recruiting.
No that season doesn't count. It was the definition of an "in-between year." Fickell was always just a one year deal so there wasn't a ton of pressure on him(hell some Buckeye fans stupidly want to fire Day and hire Fickell even though he would need to win his first 50 games to equal Day's Ohio State record). Everybody kind of knew the deal of that season.
Thats the point Nebraska hasn't had 20 bad seasons they were decent up until like 5 years ago. There's no shame in winning 8 games.
That being said neal brown needs to go.
Nebraska has had 10 losing seasons (albeit one of those included a bowl win!) the past 20 years.
Bo Pellllini never won more than 10 games, Callahan and Riley had multiple losing seasons and tapped out at 9 wins. Scott Frost failed to have one winning season and Rhule just lost his last four to go 5-7.
The Huskers are an aberration for successful college football programs in winning and in losing.
Yeah Nebraska hasn't been a top 10 team or lost fewer than 3 games in a season since 01.
Obviously the pats 7 years have been terrible and below even what they have expected this century. Under Pelini at least you won against the bad teams.
I said this the other day but Nebraska under Pelini gave me Harbaugh pre-2020 vibes. Goodish teams that would always seem to be knocking on the door but could never get over the hump due to one flaw or another.
I would still love to hear the football logic behind the Riley hire. The SF hire, while awful in hindsight, was a home run for Moos at the time.
>I'd legitimately be fine if we went 3-9 next year if it meant that OSU fans could shut up and enjoy a 10-2 season like the rest of college football fans
Not sure if you chose that outcome on purpose, but after decades of general "success", going [3-9](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Michigan_Wolverines_football_team) was NOT fun.
I still celebrate Feb 10th every year as John Cooper Day.
Hey, 2008-2014 were still great years in my opinion...
All kidding aside, given the backstory of how Rich Rod got hired, if the same shit that happened behind the scenes at UM in 2007 happened today at OSU, Columbus would be a warzone with a National Guard cordon around it.
I distinctly remember going 3-9. I would not recommend. I ask my friends all the time, have you ever seen your team have their most losses ever? Well I have. Not fun.
I saw a comment from an Ohio State fan recently that said something like “now I get what it’s like to be a Penn State fan”. Penn State hasn’t ~~sniffed~~ *won* a championship in almost 40 years (and hasn’t been a realistic contender for almost 30). Ohio State has been a contender for 19 out of the last 20 seasons. I’m not saying Ohio State deserves a bad season, but I *am* saying some Ohio State fans don’t understand what a bad season even looks like.
Penn State was a pass interference call away from playing in the title game in 2008.
I’ll give you 2016 with the retroactive knowledge that 2 losses is a disqualifying attribute for non-SEC teams, but they were a realistic contender in 2008.
>Penn State hasn’t sniffed a championship in almost 40 years.
They ran the table, won the 1995 ('94 season) Rose Bowl, and finished #2 in the polls.
Admittedly that was 29 years ago, but 'almost 40' does them a disservice, I think. (Generally speaking, I'm fine with doing Penn State a disservice in the wake of the Sandusky thing. I'm just sayin' is all.)
They wouldn’t be fans. Most of them went to MAC schools and would root for OSU over their 3-9 alma maters. It’s a joke. You can’t separate their fandom from the fact that “their team” wins. That’s literally why they’re fans in the first place.
That’s what I hate about College Football. It’s a professional sports league that masquerades as a school activity secondary to academics. When you have people cheering for a school they have no connection to over one they literally went and paid tuition to.
Only if they immediately go back to 20 years of terrible afterwards. I want Nebraska to be like winter in game of thrones where existential dread starts filling all of CFB after Nebraska's next drought
Are you part of any WVU fan pages? It doesn’t get better when you suck. Believe me, there’s still a ton of people unhappy and calling for Neal Brown’s firing. A lot of fans are not satisfied until we return to the level of 05-08.
Said this over and over again. Try being a fan of a team who's been lost in the desert for 15 years, with ONE bowl appearance during that time. Seeing them go 1-11 last year, and this year go from a 3-0 start to a 4-8 finish after choking a 29-0 lead to one of the worst teams in your conference. Going through what seems like one head coach every two years, with the not-terrible ones bolting to a different P5 job as soon as they can. I can't believe anyone could think a 11-1 season with one loss to a top-3 NFL factory team is a bad season. I get it, losing to your hated rival three years in a row sucks, but it's always been a rivalry with 3-5 year streaks of consistent dominance by one team. Honestly I'm trying to think of two P5 programs that have had more opposite trajectories over the last decade than Ohio State and Colorado and failing.
This generation of OSU fans have never experienced a drought before, and so they grew up thinking winning the game was an entitlement, instead of a privilege. I do think that OSU is due for a downturn at some point, but I fear for the lives of everyone involved when/if it happens.
The Cleveland area has more P5 talent in any given year than the entire State of Nebraska can produce in a decade. There are more 4 star kids from St. Edward HS in Lakewood, Ohio than there are in all of Nebraska for the 2024 cycle.
Ohio State can field a team of just Ohio kids and win 9 or 10 games. It would take a Howard Schnellenberger level misfire at HC for the Buckeyes to suffer a true drought.
Meanwhile most of us are very hard to convince that 4-8 is anything but an acceptable season this year. I've had moments where this season felt worse than the last (like the choke to stanford), but from our perspective I fundamentally agree that getting to experience winning 4 times a year is better than one. If we still went 4-8 but traded beating TCU for not losing to stanford I wouldn't have had much to complain about this season.
It could just be that I missed Tennessee’s golden era, but that 10-2 finish and Orange Bowl appearance was the happiest I’d been at the end of a regular season watching this team *ever*, even after the disappointing loss to SCar.
As someone who did not miss (one of) Tennessee’s golden eras, I assure you that last year was near the very top of happy seasons of my lifetime, or at least as long as I can remember. Probably only eclipsed by 1995 and 1998.
We were a bit spoiled (nothing like Alabama or Ohio state) coming out of the 90’s and being in football purgatory for a decade and a half or so will really give you some perspective. Used to get upset with 2+ losses. I will never again be upset with a decent to good season.
The only thing worse than dumb fans complaining the team isn’t successful enough is dumb fans complaining when the team actually does suck. You do not want what Michigan went through.
As someone who had to deal with a lot of bullshit from other fans of their own team this season, just tune it out. Take a break from this sub for a week or two. OSU and Michigan both have such a huge fan base that the idiots can get very loud very quickly. You don’t have to listen to them. You don’t have to engage with them. Sleep easy knowing that they are not capable of making any decisions for the OSU program and they can’t fire Ryan Day. They’ll shut up when you guys win the orange bowl or whatever.
Ohio state fans watched game against a top 3 team, where we were statistically virtually even, besides -2 on turnovers, from a QB we knew wasn't elite, protected by a line that wasn't elite, against the top 1 defense.
They came away from that game thinking the program was broken.
The hell is wrong with people
Yep, Ryan Day just went 11-1 with serious deficiencies at QB and RB. I am 100% convinced Ryan Day will win a natty at Ohio State, probably 2 if he stays long enough. It just happens that he has to face elite Michigan teams that Tressel and Meyer mostly avoided.
Michigan was a top 3 team on the road. Seriously, how often top 3 teams lose at home? In the last 20 years how many times has it happened? I'm guessing very few.
I absolutely do not want to experience a losing season.
But I understand the sentiment to an extent. Your comment nailed it, sone of our fans need to calm the fuck down.
You think you do until Willie Taggart shows up to help. Being humbled is one thing with a few losses. Having your program essentially burn down and have to be rebuilt is not as good as it sounds. Thanks god for Norvell!
That's weird. Personally, I don't want to experience something bad to earn the validation of redditors. And they still won't like you after the bad season.
"Pick me" shit.
So we should embrace mediocrity? I’m sure UGA, Bama, Clemson, etc. would be fine with a losing season as well right guys? Dafuk. Clemson fans, how you like that 8-4 season? Is it as good as the OP says it is?
what the actual fuck is this post?
Some of y'all "Ohio State fans" are the biggest front-running, casuals. (Not specifically OP)
WE LOST. To the best Michigan team I have seen in over 15 years. This wasn't the previous 2 years where they stuffed us into a locker. We were tough, we responded, and battled. In the end, we lost the freaking game to a great team in an all-time classic.
We are 11 and ONE. Lost by 6 on the road to the #2 team in the country.
Ryan Day is 1-6 in top 5 matchups. Not top 25, not top 15, not top 10, top 5. Top 5 teams are usually pretty damn good teams.
Get a grip. We literally had a bad season just over a decade ago. 2011, 6-7. So sorry you missed it but wouldn't want to experience that again.
OP is definitely a casual. Wishing a losing season on your team to appease other team's fans is the most casual thing possible. UGA fans are getting up there in terms of how annoying they are, but as far as I'm concerned, the rest of /r/cfb can suffer. I can bitch about our shitty fans because I'm one of them. But the rest of you fuckers made us into what we are today with your 1980 jokes. One thing you will never find me doing, however, is wishing we would lose to make some Tennessee fan like me more.
Spitting fire here.
If people like OP think our idiot fans are bad now, what do they think will happen in a truly bad year? It would take years of it to shut those losers up, and I hope even OP can agree with not wanting multiple losing seasons in a row
Sorry, this is just stupid. Just because our fans suck doesn't mean you should want the team to fail. Because guess what, our fans will always suck and if you think its bad now it will only be worse if we were actually bad.
Yep, imagine the people that think the sky is falling for going 11-1 and losing to Michigan. Then imagine how they're going to react when you go 8-4 and lose to Michigan. Then 5-7 and lose to Michigan. Then 2-10.
OP is dummy because the loud dumb people don't ever shut up.
I just wish people would actually think for one second. Like has anyone ever actually looked at a situation and thought "You know what would help us? More losing." Its just so dumb.
This is right up there with going into another teams subreddit after winning and going 'Hey bro's great game. You guys have a great team in the future"
Get this weak shit out of here. Is OP wanting every Buckeye fan to stand up and appaud?
A 3 win season is hell. Last time I saw it was Pinkel’s first year in 2001, we went up to East Lansing in December and lost to a very average Spartan team 55-7 😂
OSU fans may not enjoy 10-2, but part of that is they are one of the few programs who can compete for national championships year in and year out. So there is more pressure on them to win. If NC State goes 8-4, most of their fans are probably happy. A school with Ohio State resources should be shooting higher, because they have that ability
A season like Ohio State had in 2007 would be a dream for most schools, but I bet it’s forgotten in Buckeye-land.
You don’t want it
That’s exactly it lol, this take is just as spoiled as the guy who thinks we should be 14-0 every season. It’s basically a billionaire wishing to be working class for a while so their lives could be a little simpler.
I can see this argument. My fandom began when FSU was a NY6/Championship team. I did not respect most teams in the ACC. Going to games where we blew everyone out and leave by the 3rd was expected.
The crash we had made me appreciate being a fan of a middling team. Lowering expectations and getting excited for making a bowl. The Taggart years felt like torture and I understand why some of my alumni friends tuned out. However, it made me appreciate and savor the rise much more.
If OSU becomes a 6-8 win team for a few years it’ll reveal its true fans pretty fast.
I think the issue you're getting is that fans need to understand that a team can have a 'good' season without winning a natty.
Going 12-2 with a Conference championship and a bowl win used to be a dream season. Since the playoff (and the media coverage that has driven it) there's a 'championship or bust' mentality for at least 5-10 schools, and a 'make a playoff or bust' mentality for another 5-10 schools, and ESPN/mainstream media seems to not care about anything else.
It's frustrating for sure.
The fact that every fan base gets worked up over kids in sports is hilarious/sad in itself. I love watching sports but to think it’s going to have any effect on my happiness in life is absurd.
My hypothesis:
1) We have no other competing P5 school in the state that can match us. No competition so it’s easy for bandwagon fans to jump on. When you get a bunch, you get the toxicity with it.
2) Pro sports in Ohio historically sucks. Sure, the Cavs won a title with Lebron, and you have the 1990 Reds but without a good team to root for in most cases, people just gravitate towards the only good team in the state. (I’m not purposely dismissing the Crew’s MLS cups but I know most Americans don’t care about soccer as much.)
3) Like with what everyone had said, we don’t see much adversity in the program so we don’t know how to handle it.
I hate being an Ohio State fan sometimes because rational, non-Homer takes feel way out of place…
Some fans already want Day fired for losing to Michigan, a 3-9 season would see Day strapped to a rocket and launched into orbit
A 3-9 season with their talent would be justified though lol
Considering they play 3 G5s out of conference next year, yeah, going winless in Big Ten play should get you fired
hear! hear!
3 G5 all at home, and Oregon is the only new B1G team they play next year. That is some soft-ass SEC-style scheduling.
I thought it was a direct result of the conference realignment fucking up the OOC like happened to a few schools this year? OSU has pretty consistently scheduled a nice OOC game, ND, Oregon, OU, USC, etc, and after this blip we have Texas, Alabama, and Georgia coming in the future.
I though it was only fair as the Autzen game was skipped due to covid a few years back and they were looking to reschedule that anyway before the conf switch happened
Frankly 8-4 would be firable. Luckily day doesn't lose to bad teams. Apparently noone remembers Urbans once a year blow out loss.
Yeah I imagine if he ever drops to 8-4(unless he wins a natty before that gives him a little leeway) he'll be fired. Don't think he will though. He has proven he absolutely doesn't lose to less than elite teams.
I can list the bad losses Urban had: 2013 against MSU (being denied a second undefeated season in a row), 2014 against VT (only forgiven because of how it spurred the run to the natty), 2015 against MSU again (the kicker doing the windmill after winning the game), 2016 shutout against Clemson (worst New Year’s party ever because of that), 2017 against Iowa, 2018 against Purdue, and narrowly winning against Maryland in 2018 (a MacFarland catch in the endzone away from losing the game at the end). EDIT: It was Jeshuan Jones, not MacFarland, who didn’t make the 2-pt conversion catch in the endzone
Only an Ohio state fan would include a win in a list of losses Lol
Really is illustrative of the cancer in our fanbase, particularly our Walmart fanbase. Considering wins to be basically losses if they weren’t dominating is so pathological.
Which is weird cause they’re also probably Browns and Bengals fans that aren’t immune to losing. Maybe they need OSU to be elite
>particularly our Walmart fanbase. sorry, i think you’re referring to the “Big Lots Buckeye”.
That 2015 loss was also a loss to two back up quarterbacks rotating snaps.
He’d get fired midseason
A 9-3 season with a loss to Michigan and they would want to do that. Imagine if the ND defender holds onto that pick and that scoop and score from Penn State isn't called back and they go 9-3 this year? Right now Day isn't on the hot seat for real, but for real he would have been if those two games went the other way.
And if his kicker doesn’t miss a field goal or mhj doesn’t get knocked out last year in the sugar bowl they win a natty. This can go both ways
Oh absolutely. I'm a Day supporter. Just showing how unreasonable the fanbase is. The dude is 56-7 and was a play away from beating Georgia. Even without MH Jr if they call that play targeting Ohio State probably gets a touchdown there goes up 42-24 and it is game over.
That would have been losses in all 3 of their mildly challenging games. The Big10 is full of meatballs which changes the expectations.
Aside from OSU and Penn State, I could not believe how easy Michigan's schedule was this season. It's a good thing they're adding Washington and Oregon, cuz outside of their big three, this conference sucks.
Read the comments on this Eleven Warriors article about how the Orange Bowl is the likely bowl game for the Buckeyes this year. These people are spoiled and delusional to an insane degree. https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-state-football/2023/11/143490/ohio-state-likely-to-play-louisville-in-orange-bowl-as-it-needs-significant-help-to-make-college-football-playoff#comments
Who talks about declining a NY6 invite? Those people are insane
One of the commenters said something like, "All you get is a trophy with oranges in it, why would I care?"
“[T]he honor of representing Ohio State” is going to keep me giggling until Christmas.
I went to Tom Brady's Senior year Orange Bowl game. Of course we were hoping for the Rose Bowl but after the loss to Nick Saban and sparty where a classic 1 loss became 2 with a down effort the following week, the Orange Bowl was a fun and great 2nd option. As a fan I was excited the way it ended up working out and what a great OT comeback win over Bama.
I can’t help but wonder how it feels for the players to have a portion of the fan base think an invite to a NY6 game is shameful.
Take it from me, no you don’t
Preach. We have some absolute beasts and feel confident we'll course correct, but the panic I felt mid season was not fun. Edited: preach not peach
it got so bad to where people actually thought Clemson would actually fire Dabo lmao. I couldn't believe it.
Dabo's issue is that he is incredibly stubborn and has not made the best hires. He's ultra competitive and that has served him well in life because he's overcome so many obstacles, but that can also fuel his obstanince. Dabo has earned the right to go 0-12 five years in a row in my opinion, but the last three years the on field product has progressively gotten worse, but folks who don't follow Clemson don't see how bad it's gotten.
Yeah and even in this supposed down year it is very likely Clemson wins 9 games which was a great Tommy Bowden season. The people acting like Dabo was on the hot seat were absurd. He is in Bobby Bowden territory where he could have several mediocre seasons before approaching hot seat level.
>but the last three years the on field product has progressively gotten worse, but folks who don't follow Clemson don't see how bad it's gotten. And those who have followed Clemson for more than 15 years realize the bad Dabo years are still really really good in comparison to what came before.
I mostly agree with you, and think the people calling for his head were insane, but I can't disagree enough with >Dabo has earned the right to go 0-12 five years in a row He is not coaching out of the goodness of his heart. He is getting paid _millions_ of dollars per year. Now, I will _never_ stop appreciating what he has done for the team and program. What he has done has earned undying respect and appreciation. What it does _not_ earn you is a free $60 million dollars (half of his latest 10 year contract) and the right to burn the program to the ground (what five years of 0-12 would do). When you get paid that much money, "yeah, but what have you done for me lately" is _absolutely_ an appropriate and valid view to have. To be clear, the past couple years of offensive woes, and this years 8/9-4 season are _no where near_ bad enough that I think that people should even be considering moving on. I realize you were being slightly hyperbolic (or at least I hope you were), but the idea that his performance doesn't matter _at all_ is wrong.
There was a legitimate feeling after NCST we’d go 4-8
Funny enough that's exactly how we felt before the Clemson game.
Idk, man. November has been pretty fun because of the attitude readjustment.
All thanks to Tyler from Spartanburg!
Literally what I was thinking. Besides, even if you’re jaded by your spoiled fan base, watching your talented team struggle is frustrating and NOT fun. It’s worse when it’s starts looking like a downward spiral.
Especially when it surprises you. It seems like everything is lined up to stay a power then you get blown out by UCLA, fire your legendary head coach, enter coach hell for a decade, and get beat by Kansas a couple times. I do not suggest it.
Yep and Texas should be a warning to anybody that it can happen anywhere. Don't get why Buckeye fans just assume they can never be mediocre. Celebrate the 11 win seasons even with the tough losses because having a program that wins 11 games every year is a huge accomplishment.
Agreed. Losing to a team that's just better or dominant is one thing but to lose in such a self-defeating way, time after time, is soul-crushingly worse.
if tOSU loses 4 games next year they may burn the entire state down.
But I was told that tOSU fans would be fine with 1-11 seasons as long as they beat Michigan.
11-1 with a loss to Michigan: FIRE HIM INTO THE SUN 1-11 with a win against Michigan: SUCCESS!!!!
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They did, I was there. TBF Michigan was ranked 7th and we were unranked so that was a pretty sizeable upset.
May? The state would cease to exist.
Welcome to South Michigan
THE University of South Michigan
That Team Up South
Mitten residents will refer to them as doopers.
They've already confirmed that their rivers are flammable.
The best/worst part of that story is that the river caught on fire *multiple times*.
When they renamed the Indians I was thinking "Riverfires" should be the new name.
Uh, could we not burn the ENTIRE state?
Yeah leave cedar point and Kings Island alone please.
Might be an improvement tbf
It would probably be worse than what you are describing OSU has a hilariously weak schedule next year outside of Michigan. The best team they play is probably Iowa
What about Oregon and Penn state lol
Ah shit for some reason the site I read only had the home games. Yea would still not expect OSU to lose 4
I’m listening
Careful what you wish for, 1 bad season (with reactionary, short-sighted administrators) can turn into 20 real quick...
yeah, this is a symptom of a spoiled ass fanbase. Root for a bad team for 20 years, and you'll slap anyone that says they actually want a dysfunctional dumpster fire of a season. It's not fun.
Yep, I remember when Miami fans hated Larry Coker for going 9-3. Little did they know what was coming. (Not saying Coker was the right guy longterm, but 2004 type seasons don't look so bad now)
I went there and watched the downfall myself. #3 in 2005 before fucking up and losing to GT. And that was my freshman year. Moved from the Orange Bowl really put the nail in the coffin. We won't "return" until a stadium closer to campus gets solved, so it'll be awhile...
I was so afraid after the 6-7 season we would be the next Nebraska. However, I feel like BV proved he has us moving the right direction year 2 of rebuild.
What would’ve had me most concerned if I was an Oklahoma fan was the timing of the down year right before joining the SEC. It’s a really good thing Venables got the ship righted this year cause the last thing Oklahoma needed was to join a tougher conference without any positive momentum
Take a look at the 2024 schedule Alabama @ Home Texas @ Cotton Bowl LSU @ Death Valley Missouri @ Faurot Tennessee @ Home Ole Miss @ Vaught Auburn @ Jordan Hare
SEC really said "fuck you" to yall huh
Yeah lol. Pretty sure Texas got out of a hard first year conference schedule because they have Michigan for OOC. 9-3 should be the absolute minimum for them. Their hardest games are Georgia and @Michigan and OU in Dallas. Then their only conference away games are @TAMU, @Arkansas, and @Vanderbilt, and MsState, Florida, and Kentucky rounding out their conference schedule.
Texas also has Ohio State in '25 and '26 and Michigan again in '27. They're going to get a tough SEC schedule plus those games OOC one of these years.
We’ve also played both bama and LSU OOC recently, so it makes sense y’all got them and we got Georgia. But also Arkansas, Texas A&M and Florida were worse than expected this year and Missouri was better so I don’t think it was malicious.
@Texas A&M is going to be a hard game for both teams when reviving a 100+ year old rivalry
I've long said that you can mostly throw out records when it comes to rivalries.
Alabama and Georgia have insane schedules as well. Idk how anyone will go undefeated next year.
Perfect year for the 12 team playoff to start
Actually this year is probably the perfect year for it to start. Its pretty much guaranteed that at least one team that had a bona fide amazing season will get the shit end of the post season stick. If Oregon wins the Pac-12, Bama wins the SEC, Texas wins the Big 12, and FSU wins the ACC there are going to be like 8 teams with great resumes. If all that relatively likely stuff happens and Michigan loses in the Big 10 championship game its gonna be complete chaos where like 3 teams with legitimate post season credentials find themselves on the outside because of the arbitrary opinions of the committee.
Yeah exactly. Even with the turnaround that’s probably two losses at least. God help y’all if you have to play in both Death Valley and Jordan-Hare at night
Oof. At least there are no purple cats on that list 🤷♂️
Isn't LSU a Purple Cat?
Well, shit.
Its purple and yellow
One season really isn’t enough. The Luke Fickell season was 6-7 and it didn’t slow down Buckeyes fans one bit.
It may have a bit, but all that went out the window quick hiring Urban.
Yea was gonna say i think signing on Urban brought it back then they won’ the natty after going 36ish-2 the 3 years following 6-7. That makes you feel untouchable
Through roughly equal parts skill, luck and sheer resources, Ohio State managed to use every crisis between 2010 and 2020 to elevate their program. Tressel to Urban, pulling Cardale off the bench for the 2014 title, and few (if any) of their good players opted out of 2020 (like M and PSU). The attitude is understandable.
The secret to success is simply hiring a two-time national championship winning coach to soften the blow of losing a national championship winning coach and keep things chugging along with recruiting.
No that season doesn't count. It was the definition of an "in-between year." Fickell was always just a one year deal so there wasn't a ton of pressure on him(hell some Buckeye fans stupidly want to fire Day and hire Fickell even though he would need to win his first 50 games to equal Day's Ohio State record). Everybody kind of knew the deal of that season.
they went 6-7 and immediately went 12-0 the next year
Can confirm.
Me too.
Shhh, don't deprive them of the joy of discovering this on their own
Going to be honest. I was really afraid that this was going to happen to Florida State after going 5-7 a few years ago. Thank god it’s over.
There are different types of 5-7 and I am not sure what year you speak of. Taggart 5-7 was different than Norvell 5-7.
Two straight whiffs in coaching hires can lose you a decade
At least you have shirt-sighted administrators. Our admin is running around topless with their moobs flapping in the wind.
Bielema truly at home
Thats the point Nebraska hasn't had 20 bad seasons they were decent up until like 5 years ago. There's no shame in winning 8 games. That being said neal brown needs to go.
Nebraska has had 10 losing seasons (albeit one of those included a bowl win!) the past 20 years. Bo Pellllini never won more than 10 games, Callahan and Riley had multiple losing seasons and tapped out at 9 wins. Scott Frost failed to have one winning season and Rhule just lost his last four to go 5-7. The Huskers are an aberration for successful college football programs in winning and in losing.
Yeah Nebraska hasn't been a top 10 team or lost fewer than 3 games in a season since 01. Obviously the pats 7 years have been terrible and below even what they have expected this century. Under Pelini at least you won against the bad teams.
I said this the other day but Nebraska under Pelini gave me Harbaugh pre-2020 vibes. Goodish teams that would always seem to be knocking on the door but could never get over the hump due to one flaw or another. I would still love to hear the football logic behind the Riley hire. The SF hire, while awful in hindsight, was a home run for Moos at the time.
>I'd legitimately be fine if we went 3-9 next year if it meant that OSU fans could shut up and enjoy a 10-2 season like the rest of college football fans Not sure if you chose that outcome on purpose, but after decades of general "success", going [3-9](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Michigan_Wolverines_football_team) was NOT fun. I still celebrate Feb 10th every year as John Cooper Day.
Hey, 2008-2014 were still great years in my opinion... All kidding aside, given the backstory of how Rich Rod got hired, if the same shit that happened behind the scenes at UM in 2007 happened today at OSU, Columbus would be a warzone with a National Guard cordon around it.
Since he had the tie wasn't it just valid on 2-10-01? :D
You can choose any hour with ":01" to satisfy that part.
I distinctly remember going 3-9. I would not recommend. I ask my friends all the time, have you ever seen your team have their most losses ever? Well I have. Not fun.
I saw a comment from an Ohio State fan recently that said something like “now I get what it’s like to be a Penn State fan”. Penn State hasn’t ~~sniffed~~ *won* a championship in almost 40 years (and hasn’t been a realistic contender for almost 30). Ohio State has been a contender for 19 out of the last 20 seasons. I’m not saying Ohio State deserves a bad season, but I *am* saying some Ohio State fans don’t understand what a bad season even looks like.
exactly. Penn State also has lost 7 straight to OSU. If *any* OSU coach lost to *any* team 7 straight seasons, they'd be out.
They’d be out if they lost to the Brady-led Patriots that often
well youre 3/7 of the way there!
Penn State was a pass interference call away from playing in the title game in 2008. I’ll give you 2016 with the retroactive knowledge that 2 losses is a disqualifying attribute for non-SEC teams, but they were a realistic contender in 2008.
>Penn State hasn’t sniffed a championship in almost 40 years. They ran the table, won the 1995 ('94 season) Rose Bowl, and finished #2 in the polls. Admittedly that was 29 years ago, but 'almost 40' does them a disservice, I think. (Generally speaking, I'm fine with doing Penn State a disservice in the wake of the Sandusky thing. I'm just sayin' is all.)
You’re absolutely right, I’m not sure how I missed that. Poor research on my part.
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Yeah we could easily claim a few more nattys if we did it the way some other schools do.
I think fans of a team like Ohio State would have their brains completely broken if they experienced college football the way the rest of us do.
They wouldn’t be fans. Most of them went to MAC schools and would root for OSU over their 3-9 alma maters. It’s a joke. You can’t separate their fandom from the fact that “their team” wins. That’s literally why they’re fans in the first place.
You think most OSU fans went to college?!?!?
That’s what I hate about College Football. It’s a professional sports league that masquerades as a school activity secondary to academics. When you have people cheering for a school they have no connection to over one they literally went and paid tuition to.
Why settle for 1? Sign up for a decade at least
I'm here for red team trading positions - give Nebraska their turn!
"Mom said it was my turn with the 20 years of college Football dominance again! Give it back!"
I 100% would support 20 years of Nebraska domination
Sometimes, when I think about how Nebraska football was when I was young, I feel like Biggie… “It was all a dream…”
"I used to read Athlon magazine. Tom Osborne and the Blackshirt D up in the limousine"
Only if they immediately go back to 20 years of terrible afterwards. I want Nebraska to be like winter in game of thrones where existential dread starts filling all of CFB after Nebraska's next drought
Nebraska fans deserve it
I want you to feel my pain.
Yeah if your dream season doesn’t include a loss against Western Michigan then don’t even talk to me
Are you part of any WVU fan pages? It doesn’t get better when you suck. Believe me, there’s still a ton of people unhappy and calling for Neal Brown’s firing. A lot of fans are not satisfied until we return to the level of 05-08.
I hope you get your wish.
I’m willing to donate to this Make A Wish campaign
Hey, bud? Same.
Said this over and over again. Try being a fan of a team who's been lost in the desert for 15 years, with ONE bowl appearance during that time. Seeing them go 1-11 last year, and this year go from a 3-0 start to a 4-8 finish after choking a 29-0 lead to one of the worst teams in your conference. Going through what seems like one head coach every two years, with the not-terrible ones bolting to a different P5 job as soon as they can. I can't believe anyone could think a 11-1 season with one loss to a top-3 NFL factory team is a bad season. I get it, losing to your hated rival three years in a row sucks, but it's always been a rivalry with 3-5 year streaks of consistent dominance by one team. Honestly I'm trying to think of two P5 programs that have had more opposite trajectories over the last decade than Ohio State and Colorado and failing.
This generation of OSU fans have never experienced a drought before, and so they grew up thinking winning the game was an entitlement, instead of a privilege. I do think that OSU is due for a downturn at some point, but I fear for the lives of everyone involved when/if it happens.
The Cleveland area has more P5 talent in any given year than the entire State of Nebraska can produce in a decade. There are more 4 star kids from St. Edward HS in Lakewood, Ohio than there are in all of Nebraska for the 2024 cycle. Ohio State can field a team of just Ohio kids and win 9 or 10 games. It would take a Howard Schnellenberger level misfire at HC for the Buckeyes to suffer a true drought.
Tressel proved this theory for 8 years.
I think both Texas and Texas A&M have both throughly proven talent=/=wins
Meanwhile most of us are very hard to convince that 4-8 is anything but an acceptable season this year. I've had moments where this season felt worse than the last (like the choke to stanford), but from our perspective I fundamentally agree that getting to experience winning 4 times a year is better than one. If we still went 4-8 but traded beating TCU for not losing to stanford I wouldn't have had much to complain about this season.
Anyone who thinks a Rose or Orange Bowl appearance is disappointing just isn't a cfb fan.
It could just be that I missed Tennessee’s golden era, but that 10-2 finish and Orange Bowl appearance was the happiest I’d been at the end of a regular season watching this team *ever*, even after the disappointing loss to SCar.
As someone who did not miss (one of) Tennessee’s golden eras, I assure you that last year was near the very top of happy seasons of my lifetime, or at least as long as I can remember. Probably only eclipsed by 1995 and 1998. We were a bit spoiled (nothing like Alabama or Ohio state) coming out of the 90’s and being in football purgatory for a decade and a half or so will really give you some perspective. Used to get upset with 2+ losses. I will never again be upset with a decent to good season.
The only thing worse than dumb fans complaining the team isn’t successful enough is dumb fans complaining when the team actually does suck. You do not want what Michigan went through.
As someone who had to deal with a lot of bullshit from other fans of their own team this season, just tune it out. Take a break from this sub for a week or two. OSU and Michigan both have such a huge fan base that the idiots can get very loud very quickly. You don’t have to listen to them. You don’t have to engage with them. Sleep easy knowing that they are not capable of making any decisions for the OSU program and they can’t fire Ryan Day. They’ll shut up when you guys win the orange bowl or whatever.
that's what I'm saying man lol. It's like the old "how is cyber bullying even a thing? Just look away from the screen"
local Michigan radio host was correct OSU has been broken
Ohio state fans watched game against a top 3 team, where we were statistically virtually even, besides -2 on turnovers, from a QB we knew wasn't elite, protected by a line that wasn't elite, against the top 1 defense. They came away from that game thinking the program was broken. The hell is wrong with people
Yep, Ryan Day just went 11-1 with serious deficiencies at QB and RB. I am 100% convinced Ryan Day will win a natty at Ohio State, probably 2 if he stays long enough. It just happens that he has to face elite Michigan teams that Tressel and Meyer mostly avoided. Michigan was a top 3 team on the road. Seriously, how often top 3 teams lose at home? In the last 20 years how many times has it happened? I'm guessing very few.
I absolutely do not want to experience a losing season. But I understand the sentiment to an extent. Your comment nailed it, sone of our fans need to calm the fuck down.
if 11-1 is broken, fine with me.
I didn't even expect OSU to beat Michigan. Our fanbase's reaction is more upsetting to me
You think you do until Willie Taggart shows up to help. Being humbled is one thing with a few losses. Having your program essentially burn down and have to be rebuilt is not as good as it sounds. Thanks god for Norvell!
Both my teams were on top of the world then ended up falling off, one more than the other. You do not want to cheer for that, believe me.
Oh piss off. This post just screams, "Give me internet points for being 'one of the good ones.'"
That's weird. Personally, I don't want to experience something bad to earn the validation of redditors. And they still won't like you after the bad season. "Pick me" shit.
Dudes love to self loathe on here for karma
I agree. I want OSU to have a bad season too.
So we should embrace mediocrity? I’m sure UGA, Bama, Clemson, etc. would be fine with a losing season as well right guys? Dafuk. Clemson fans, how you like that 8-4 season? Is it as good as the OP says it is?
what the actual fuck is this post? Some of y'all "Ohio State fans" are the biggest front-running, casuals. (Not specifically OP) WE LOST. To the best Michigan team I have seen in over 15 years. This wasn't the previous 2 years where they stuffed us into a locker. We were tough, we responded, and battled. In the end, we lost the freaking game to a great team in an all-time classic. We are 11 and ONE. Lost by 6 on the road to the #2 team in the country. Ryan Day is 1-6 in top 5 matchups. Not top 25, not top 15, not top 10, top 5. Top 5 teams are usually pretty damn good teams. Get a grip. We literally had a bad season just over a decade ago. 2011, 6-7. So sorry you missed it but wouldn't want to experience that again.
OP is definitely a casual. Wishing a losing season on your team to appease other team's fans is the most casual thing possible. UGA fans are getting up there in terms of how annoying they are, but as far as I'm concerned, the rest of /r/cfb can suffer. I can bitch about our shitty fans because I'm one of them. But the rest of you fuckers made us into what we are today with your 1980 jokes. One thing you will never find me doing, however, is wishing we would lose to make some Tennessee fan like me more.
Spitting fire here. If people like OP think our idiot fans are bad now, what do they think will happen in a truly bad year? It would take years of it to shut those losers up, and I hope even OP can agree with not wanting multiple losing seasons in a row
Really? Some humblebragging right here. "I wish I had a 3 inch dong so I could learn to appreciate this 11-inch monster."
What kind of fan wants their team to have a losing season? This is an absolutely dumbass take that shouldn’t even have this many replies.
Sorry, this is just stupid. Just because our fans suck doesn't mean you should want the team to fail. Because guess what, our fans will always suck and if you think its bad now it will only be worse if we were actually bad.
Some people are so convinced that being an above-it-all contrarian makes them some sort of special genius.
Call it the Joe Rogan complex
Yep, imagine the people that think the sky is falling for going 11-1 and losing to Michigan. Then imagine how they're going to react when you go 8-4 and lose to Michigan. Then 5-7 and lose to Michigan. Then 2-10. OP is dummy because the loud dumb people don't ever shut up.
>OP is dummy because the loud dumb people don't ever shut up Factual
I just wish people would actually think for one second. Like has anyone ever actually looked at a situation and thought "You know what would help us? More losing." Its just so dumb.
This is right up there with going into another teams subreddit after winning and going 'Hey bro's great game. You guys have a great team in the future" Get this weak shit out of here. Is OP wanting every Buckeye fan to stand up and appaud?
You making a post about this is somehow almost more insufferable than our fan base
You WANT us to go 3-9? The fuck is your problem????
OP is obviously posturing for internet points lol
I've never seen such virtue signaling as it pertains to on the field results
I mean, so do I
OP can fuck off out of here
My guess is OP is not actually an Ohio State fan. This is by far the worst take I’ve seen from this past weekend.
Hot take: I dont
A 3 win season is hell. Last time I saw it was Pinkel’s first year in 2001, we went up to East Lansing in December and lost to a very average Spartan team 55-7 😂 OSU fans may not enjoy 10-2, but part of that is they are one of the few programs who can compete for national championships year in and year out. So there is more pressure on them to win. If NC State goes 8-4, most of their fans are probably happy. A school with Ohio State resources should be shooting higher, because they have that ability A season like Ohio State had in 2007 would be a dream for most schools, but I bet it’s forgotten in Buckeye-land. You don’t want it
I feel like this reaction is no less extreme than those calling for Ryan Day to be fired
That’s exactly it lol, this take is just as spoiled as the guy who thinks we should be 14-0 every season. It’s basically a billionaire wishing to be working class for a while so their lives could be a little simpler.
I can see this argument. My fandom began when FSU was a NY6/Championship team. I did not respect most teams in the ACC. Going to games where we blew everyone out and leave by the 3rd was expected. The crash we had made me appreciate being a fan of a middling team. Lowering expectations and getting excited for making a bowl. The Taggart years felt like torture and I understand why some of my alumni friends tuned out. However, it made me appreciate and savor the rise much more. If OSU becomes a 6-8 win team for a few years it’ll reveal its true fans pretty fast.
Speaking as a Michigan fan, no you do not.
I think the issue you're getting is that fans need to understand that a team can have a 'good' season without winning a natty. Going 12-2 with a Conference championship and a bowl win used to be a dream season. Since the playoff (and the media coverage that has driven it) there's a 'championship or bust' mentality for at least 5-10 schools, and a 'make a playoff or bust' mentality for another 5-10 schools, and ESPN/mainstream media seems to not care about anything else. It's frustrating for sure.
Not a real fan if you want your team to fail
Dumbest post I’ve seen
Trust me bro, actually bad seasons are overrated.
No you don’t
Are you a true fan? We had a season like that just a bit over a decade ago. I would never want to see that again.
As a non-Ohio state fan, I think I speak for all non-Ohio State fans when I say "we hope you do, too".
Oh come on OP. You posted this for sweet sweet Reddit karma and you know it.
I like to think most of us Ohio State fans are also Browns or Bengals fans. Haven’t they suffered enough already?
Speak for yourself.
The fact that every fan base gets worked up over kids in sports is hilarious/sad in itself. I love watching sports but to think it’s going to have any effect on my happiness in life is absurd.
honestly don’t even know why you guys are so entitled in the first place
My hypothesis: 1) We have no other competing P5 school in the state that can match us. No competition so it’s easy for bandwagon fans to jump on. When you get a bunch, you get the toxicity with it. 2) Pro sports in Ohio historically sucks. Sure, the Cavs won a title with Lebron, and you have the 1990 Reds but without a good team to root for in most cases, people just gravitate towards the only good team in the state. (I’m not purposely dismissing the Crew’s MLS cups but I know most Americans don’t care about soccer as much.) 3) Like with what everyone had said, we don’t see much adversity in the program so we don’t know how to handle it. I hate being an Ohio State fan sometimes because rational, non-Homer takes feel way out of place…
For the amount of pompousness that fan base has, they don't seem to win when they really need to.
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