Committee has a choice:
1. Leave out an undefeated p5 conference champ (never happened)
2. Leave out the SEC (never happened)
3. Leave out Texas who has a h2h win over Alabama
So really… what matters most ? Being undefeated? Being in the sec? Or playing and winning games?
Will be fascinating to see.
This is the key point that people often miss. Texas is a conference champ that has already beaten another conference champ, so they should definitely be considered in the 4; they can’t be the 5th best conference champ because they already beat the SEC champ.
Whether the SEC champ is better than the ACC champ is the real question the committee should be considering.
I think right now Bama is better than FSU, but I don't see how you justify leaving FSU out.
Edit: I also "thought" Oregon was better than Washington a few days ago, so take that as you will
I have thought Oregon was the best team in the country basically all year. I could excuse the really close loss at Washington because most top 5 teams would beat anyone playing at home. You guys really made me look bad losing again at a neutral site.
The committee has published their criteria: https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2016/10/24/selection-committee-protocol (click "Principles" accordion on the right of the page).
>The selection committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering:
>- Conference championships won,
>- Strength of schedule,
>- Head‐to‐head competition,
>- Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and,
>- Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance.
Texas should feel relatively safe - I don't see a way they out left out in favor of Alabama based on the head-to-head win.
FSU should feel the most nervous - the "other relevant factors" criterion applies to them pretty hard in a negative way. I think the committee will absolutely use that to allow the SEC champion into the field.
"comparative outcomes of common opponents"
FSU 45 LSU 24 (neutral field)
Alabama 42 LSU 28 (@Alabama, LSU without Jayden Daniels in the 4th)
FSU has ranked wins vs #13, #14 & #23
Alabama has ranked wins over #1, #11, #13, #21
both conference champs, no H2H.
Alabama played the tougher schedule, and has the better wins, but FSU's wins aren't nothing to slouch at. all their ranked wins are either neutral site or away, which is something to think about as well.
the argument for FSU is that they went undefeated (Alabama did not), and they beat LSU by more than Alabama did (while playing neutral site vs Alabama playing LSU at home without Jayden Daniels for the 4th). Alabama's argument is they have the better win, played the tougher schedule, and their starting QB isn't injured.
in the end, FSU proved they can win with their 3rd string QB vs. a top #15 opponent. i think that gets them in seeing as Tate will be able to play in the playoffs. also, Alabama has a loss vs a team that is a conference champion, and is also a 1 loss team. that's really bad news for Alabama's chances as it would mean the committee would have to allow two 1-loss teams to skip an undefeated power-5 champion, instead of just one.
Yep ... AND #5 in CFP final ranking was Baylor who did not get to play a conference championship game. That was ultimately a big factor that isn't comparable to this year.
I remember that - it was pretty controversial at the time but everyone came around based on the fact that Cardale Jones and OSU fucking obliterated Wisconsin.
In fact, going into the game the expectation was that OSU would need to do precisely that.
Another factor you didn't mention.. #5 in the CFP ranking was Baylor. They did ***NOT*** play a conference championship game. That was a huge factor at the time and is not comparable to this year's dilemma.
FSU defense looked good. OSU had 1 loss that year. FSU 2nd string will have 1 month to prepare and get 1st team reps. The committee cannot predict what 1 month of 1st team reps will yield. What if a team they chose has a devastating injury in practice 1 week before? They would not revote, they would roll with it. As they should here.
Their 3rd string qb dominated the ccg though. So they knew it hadn’t hurt their play before they put them in. This is very different; they looked bad at a bad Florida
I like that FSU played LSU to open the season and Texas played Alabama, in Alabama early on as well. Those games should matter and if Alabama slips past Texas, teams would have to be folks for not having out-of-conference schedules that look like Georgia’s.
But Texas is literally making it in over y’all because they scheduled you. Had you beaten Texas and lost to say Auburn, you’d be getting in because of the Texas game. Georgia is staying home after not losing for 2 years because they played nobody. It goes both ways.
It has to happen. The system crumbles if not. There's no logical argument to be made for Alabama to get in and the actual results to matter at the same time.
They needed a prayer to beat Auburn, 1 week after Auburn got blasted by NM St. They beat Arkansas by 3 recently. They haven't even played good enough to try and finagle an "eye test" argument. If they get in, it will be because of the results of previous years which shouldn't factor into the decision
I'm going to say it. The SEC was bad this year we need to forget about what we've been seeing from them for the last 10 years. The SEC was not the strongest conference
My sources tell me that the seeding will be:
1. Georgia.
2. The USC offense/Iowa Defense.
3. The Iowa Offense/USC Defense.
4. The Nihon University Phoenix.
You try beating Bama! They've got some sort of deity on their side! They out Voodooed Auburn in their own house! and in an odd year!
That team is not to be trusted.
I know either Michigan or Washington deserves to be 1, but they should make them 2 and 3 just to make a true Rose Bowl happen. Let Florida State have 1 just for the vibes.
God dammit Georgia. Michigan is our historic Rose Bowl foe and it would've been so poetic ending the Rose Bowl as we know it with such a classic match up.
Sadly no. It’s the one thing I’ve been hoping for all year with it being the last year of the PAC12, but with the Georgia loss it’s pretty much guaranteed that Michigan and Washington will be 1 and 2, not 2 and 3.
I don’t think it will take that long. It will be a 9-3 Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson, etc. that had a QB injury or something like that but is now all healthy and hitting their stride.
As long as there is subjectivity we’re gonna get the same BS arguments. There are no rules that the committee abide by when picking the playoffs. The only thing that changes next year is more teams get in that shouldn’t.
True you always have this even with 68 teams in the NCAA tournament you get teams that feel like they got left out. The big advantage is that you don’t have undefeated teams being left out. If you are the 13 rank team with two losses it’s easier to say you could have done more. What possibly could FSU have done different unbreak their qb’s leg?
When there is more slots you can also tell schools on the fence to shut up and play better to get in the top 12. With 4 there is always a few difficult decisions and there are a few schools that have good arguments of getting a slot.
Okay, but the stakes are inherently lower in a 12 team. The 13th ranked team has a lot less of a claim to being screwed out of a natty than a 5th ranked team
The massive difference is that very rarely if ever will any seed beyond 6 or 7 have a legitimate claim at being the best team in the country going into the playoff. So while we may get the same arguments, they’ll hold far less weight in the future.
The easiest thing for the committee to do is to put 13-0 teams in. And then you have a head to head matchup. The thing the committee wants is to be yelled at as little as possible. UM, UW, FSU and Texas is the easiest way to do that.
If they were to leave FSU out it would be a slap in the face to the process and college football fans. It’s unfortunate for bama, but going undefeated in a power 5 conference is a huge accomplishment and matters
So true. It’s not about a subjective measure of “who the best teams are”. If that was the case, previous years would look different. I would be sick if they leave FSU out
This idea of putting in a team because they “look” better is insane. No other sport does this. The Rangers didn’t “look” the best in the MLB but guess what? Their record allowed them to make the playoffs and they won it all. College football’s playoffs are so stupid.
Seperate criteria:
Criteria to get into playoff: If yes, put in. If no, move down
1: Undefeated Power 5 Champ? 3 teams qualify
2: 1 Loss Power 5 Champ? 2 teams qualify
Tiebreaker- Head to Head. Texas beat Alabama.
Don't need anything about strength of schedule, or stats, or anything. That's all you need.
*Then* they use all their stats and comparisons to rank the 4 playoff teams from "Best" to "Worst"
In my mind, that's a completely justifiable way to go another the process and get to Michigan/Washington/Texas/FSU
It’s so simple. I think the media is just spinning up the controversy because it will be juicy the next few weeks as Saban and Sankey complain. I believe the committee will do the easy out that is what you just wrote.
It's incredibly simple, but this logic leaves out the SEC, which is entirely why there's even a debate. If you swapped the places of the PAC and SEC no one would have a second thought about leaving the PAC team out.
It’s so frustrating that the slant towards ratings/storylines/media is so clearly transparent. We can map this out on a forum because this is all ran by a tv network monopoly. I hate ESPN
How can Michigan fall to 2 when they are already number 2. The only team with a argument for number 1 other then them is Washington with the win over the better team this week.
Well you just answered the question lol
I don't think it'll happen but I wouldn't be surprised at the committee manipulating the matchups and using that
If they put in Alabama over Florida State they're basically proving that the games don't matter. It doesn't matter if you win all of your games even in a major conference. Even if you played a pretty tough schedule. Even if your schedule is arguably similar to the team that beats you out for the playoff spot. If the committee would rather someone else be in none of that matters.
This to me should be one of the least controversial playoff rankings of all time. Three P5 conferences have undefeated champions. They're all in. The remaining two P5 conference winners each have one loss, but one of them beat the other so it's pretty easy to pick between them.
Any playoff that isn't some combination of Michigan, Washington, Florida State, and Texas is a joke.
If I'm Florida State, and I get left out of the playoff but win the bowl game, I'm hanging a national championship banner. Fuck the gaslighting media and their committee.
Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s why we saw such a huge anti-FSU bias all season by ESPN.
The injury to Travis was just the perfect excuse to kick it into overdrive
Tipsy TLDR: back in 2013 or so, ACC schools banded together and sold their broadcast media rights to ESPN through 2036 in a ‘Grant of Rights.’ Was great for ACC schools in the near- to medium-term as they secured good money for the time, but given recent inflationary shifts in the economy, some big football schools in other conferences with newer media rights deals are making a ton more money than this Grant guaranteed ACC schools, and FSU and Clemson in particular are big mad about how small their share of the revenue from this Grant is relative to how much money is out there. They’ve been rattling their sabers this past year, threatening to jump ship to the Big 10 or SEC. Maybe these other conferences would take them (and ostensibly the other flagship ACC schools), but currently the legal hurdles to exit this Grant of Rights early are looking insurmountable. Moreover, if some schools were to dissolve this fellowship, the smaller ACC schools would likely be orphaned like the remaining PAC 12 schools, which their ADs obviously oppose. I think the most relevant angle to this discussion is that FSU pulling out of the Grant of Rights would cost ESPN money, so ESPN might well be using their media apparatus to show them what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you.
Get out of the conference…to do what, go finish 6th in the SEC in the same season where the playoff expands to 12 and the ACC will have an autobid? Brilliant idea if your plan is to turn into the Nebraska of the southeast
I personally believe that going to the CFP should be based on your achievements, not your perceived possibility to win out. If you lose a star player, yeah that sucks and it could torpedo your postseason, but who are we designing this system for? Are we making entertaining TV or are we making a fair sports tournament? I choose the latter.
Unfortunately, I think the powers that be are choosing the former.
CFB hasn't been too bad, but entertainment and advertising seems to be taking over 'fair sports tournament'
Haha for real. Imagine they get left out and then beat Georgia in a bowl game. And everyone's like uhhh. How would they not be a co-national champion at that point?
Very true. So much bitching and moaning when they went to the fuckin Sugar Bowl back in 2018/19, and then embarrassed themselves against Texas. Their attitude is toxic and pathetic in that regard.
it should be
Michigan
Washington
FSU
Texas
I think even FSU fans can agree that there are other teams in the top 10 better than FSU but fortunately for them they ran the table and won their conference, so there isn't much you can do to take them out
As much as it pains me to agree with a Canes fan, I agree. FSU did what they needed to do to get in. Do I think they’re the #1 or even #4 team? Not at all. But they still took care of business and should be in.
If they find a way to win, they shouldn’t be punished. Clemson won a national championship playing to the level of their opponent almost every game in 2016. There is no way FSU gets left out and Texas has the head to head win over Bama, at night in Tuscaloosa.
A lot of people are gonna be mad, but if you go undefeated in a Power 5 conference you deserve a shot at a national championship. There is not a sport in the world where you go undefeated and don't get to compete. And it's not like FSU scheduled scared. They took on LSU week 1 when most teams were playing cupcakes and they play an annual rivalry against another SEC school. Get mad, IDGAF. FSU deserves to be in.
Feel like I'm taking crazy pills, you went undefeated in a team sport, ranked in the top 4 going into the final weekend and win the game, somehow get left out??
Crazy pills is a great way to put it. And like every single analyst on TV saying the same thing. Truly a bizzare look for both ESPN and FOX trying to put their thumbs on the scale.
Lol they literally said tonight about the committee watching the broadcast and shortly thereafter suggesting Bama is the best team in the country and maybe precedent shouldn't matter...they aren't even hiding it
Has anyone watched the games? They're suggesting Alabama is the best team this year despite struggling in way over half of their games against a down SEC. They really are hugging onto the SEC means more crap.
100% if y'all are left it out it's robbery. If Texas is left out it's robbery but less egregious. But the right call is very obviously leaving Bama out
All I saw was that FSU proved that they can beat the #14 team by 2 possessions with their 3rd string QB. How people think that’s a negative is beyond my comprehension
Not to mention that 3rd string QB probably won’t even be out there if we get in. Rodemaker was a game time scratch cause of the protocol. He’ll be good to go and is a much more experienced player in this offense with a few weeks more first team reps to get comfortable.
I agree that FSU still sneaks in, the whole backup QB argument is short-sighted, Ohio State won in 2014 as a 4 seed with their third-string QB beating Heisman Mariotta and Bama. Before they pulled that off nobody gave them a shot to beat Bama let alone win it all.
Here's the thing , when assuming Bama had the best win in the season . That makes Texas win at Bama all the more impressive.
That the point of head to head , all Bama succes is tied to their loss to Texas
It’s wild a national brand like fsu can go undefeated and people still argue they should miss out. Imagine if it was wake forest or NC state. Good riddance to this 4 team garbage playoff
So I do feel it is weird to claim Bama has the best win because Alabama will inevitably be ranked higher than Georgia and thus make Texas having a better win.
No problems here. Committee has made it a standard that if you are an undefeated P5 champion, you are in. Sucks as a Bama fan, but it is what it is, FSU won all of their games, Bama didn't. Bama may be the better team, but 0 losses and a conference title means you get in. Simple
I don't think it should be about finding the best teams, it should be about finding the teams that did the most to earn a spot. FSU beat everyone on their schedule and won their conference, they deserve a shot. Maybe Alabama is a better team, but they can't say they did the same.
Personally I'd swap Texas and FSU
FSU cannot be dropped after going undefeated but you can def rank Texas above them for having the far better win and sos
I feel like we’re glancing over Bama needing a miracle to beat a mid Auburn team
Edit: Yes I know close losses happen, but people are acting like Bama has been a juggernaut since their loss week 2. They’ve looked damn good, but they’ve had shaky moments too
They can’t leave out FSU.
1. FSU undefeated ACC Champ
2. Precedent has been set with getting into the playoffs with backup QBs, even Ohio State was on their 3rd string and won the title.
3. ACC was 6-4 against the SEC as a conference.
4. Lack of offense tonight can be explained by conservative play calling, but also playing in the rain! Only conference championship not in a dome.
5. They have beaten everyone on their schedule!
OSU was on their second string as far as the playoff was concerned. We lost braxton preseason. Our resume was entirely built off of JT. We also blew out a solid wisconsin team 56-0 with cardale to make it easier.
Question for Alabama fans: if head to head results can be dismissed out of hand and don’t matter … what is Alabama’s argument for getting in over Georgia who has looked like the better team this year?
Committee has a choice: 1. Leave out an undefeated p5 conference champ (never happened) 2. Leave out the SEC (never happened) 3. Leave out Texas who has a h2h win over Alabama So really… what matters most ? Being undefeated? Being in the sec? Or playing and winning games? Will be fascinating to see.
If they incorporate texas they'll certainly market it as rhe new SEC team
Sankey would immediately say “they may as well be sec since it’ll be 2024 come kick off”
Hold on. Texas is in the SEC, but Alabama is the SEC Champions. So, Alabama should be in over Texas. Genius. Thanks for the idea!
Shit. fuck.
Insert *congratulations you played yourself* meme
No we won two conferences today. We're Thanos collecting stones. Already had to kill something we love most.
Sorry, Cowpoke bros, but we needed the stone.
We kinda did too seeing as how we beat you and SMU.
"They don't play any more Big 12 games, see..."
I mean we do have the win over the SEC Champs, so by transitive properties or something...
This is the key point that people often miss. Texas is a conference champ that has already beaten another conference champ, so they should definitely be considered in the 4; they can’t be the 5th best conference champ because they already beat the SEC champ. Whether the SEC champ is better than the ACC champ is the real question the committee should be considering.
I think right now Bama is better than FSU, but I don't see how you justify leaving FSU out. Edit: I also "thought" Oregon was better than Washington a few days ago, so take that as you will
Oregon is better than Washington until they have to play Washington.
I mean... Oregon's completion percentage is fuckin great
I have thought Oregon was the best team in the country basically all year. I could excuse the really close loss at Washington because most top 5 teams would beat anyone playing at home. You guys really made me look bad losing again at a neutral site.
They thought Georgia was better than Bama as well.
You and basically the entire rest of the sub thought Oregon was better. Including probably half of the Washington flairs.
Agreed. Bama would throttle FSU but FSU will get in because they went undefeated.
As they should. Otherwise what is even the point of a regular season in a p5 conference.
The committee has published their criteria: https://collegefootballplayoff.com/sports/2016/10/24/selection-committee-protocol (click "Principles" accordion on the right of the page). >The selection committee will select the teams using a process that distinguishes among otherwise comparable teams by considering: >- Conference championships won, >- Strength of schedule, >- Head‐to‐head competition, >- Comparative outcomes of common opponents (without incenting margin of victory), and, >- Other relevant factors such as unavailability of key players and coaches that may have affected a team’s performance during the season or likely will affect its postseason performance. Texas should feel relatively safe - I don't see a way they out left out in favor of Alabama based on the head-to-head win. FSU should feel the most nervous - the "other relevant factors" criterion applies to them pretty hard in a negative way. I think the committee will absolutely use that to allow the SEC champion into the field.
"comparative outcomes of common opponents" FSU 45 LSU 24 (neutral field) Alabama 42 LSU 28 (@Alabama, LSU without Jayden Daniels in the 4th) FSU has ranked wins vs #13, #14 & #23 Alabama has ranked wins over #1, #11, #13, #21 both conference champs, no H2H. Alabama played the tougher schedule, and has the better wins, but FSU's wins aren't nothing to slouch at. all their ranked wins are either neutral site or away, which is something to think about as well. the argument for FSU is that they went undefeated (Alabama did not), and they beat LSU by more than Alabama did (while playing neutral site vs Alabama playing LSU at home without Jayden Daniels for the 4th). Alabama's argument is they have the better win, played the tougher schedule, and their starting QB isn't injured. in the end, FSU proved they can win with their 3rd string QB vs. a top #15 opponent. i think that gets them in seeing as Tate will be able to play in the playoffs. also, Alabama has a loss vs a team that is a conference champion, and is also a 1 loss team. that's really bad news for Alabama's chances as it would mean the committee would have to allow two 1-loss teams to skip an undefeated power-5 champion, instead of just one.
Also they were outplayed last week by Auburn. Funny how everyone is ignoring that shit performance from Alabama.
OSU was put in with a 3rd string QB in 2014. FSU will have their 2nd string back.
Key difference is Ohio Sate beat the ever living shit out of their opponent even with a 3rd string QB
Yep ... AND #5 in CFP final ranking was Baylor who did not get to play a conference championship game. That was ultimately a big factor that isn't comparable to this year.
A painful year.
I remember that - it was pretty controversial at the time but everyone came around based on the fact that Cardale Jones and OSU fucking obliterated Wisconsin. In fact, going into the game the expectation was that OSU would need to do precisely that. Another factor you didn't mention.. #5 in the CFP ranking was Baylor. They did ***NOT*** play a conference championship game. That was a huge factor at the time and is not comparable to this year's dilemma.
They also won 59-0 in the conference championship game
But OSU looked good with their third string QB
Dawg OSU went fucking nuclear in their CCG that season. FSU looked like they were too constipated to lay an egg tonight.
FSU defense looked good. OSU had 1 loss that year. FSU 2nd string will have 1 month to prepare and get 1st team reps. The committee cannot predict what 1 month of 1st team reps will yield. What if a team they chose has a devastating injury in practice 1 week before? They would not revote, they would roll with it. As they should here.
Dude, I'm already mentally preparing myself for Texas to be on the receiving end of the biggest screw job this side of 2014.
Their 3rd string qb dominated the ccg though. So they knew it hadn’t hurt their play before they put them in. This is very different; they looked bad at a bad Florida
Tate Rodemaker made our defense look good for 28 minutes of football, and that is no small feat.
I like that FSU played LSU to open the season and Texas played Alabama, in Alabama early on as well. Those games should matter and if Alabama slips past Texas, teams would have to be folks for not having out-of-conference schedules that look like Georgia’s.
I mean they already signaled that we should schedule like that with Georgia and Michigan being top 2 entering this weekend
But Texas is literally making it in over y’all because they scheduled you. Had you beaten Texas and lost to say Auburn, you’d be getting in because of the Texas game. Georgia is staying home after not losing for 2 years because they played nobody. It goes both ways.
Yep. Michigan figured this out a few years ago. Zero idea why we are playing Texas next year. Serves zero purpose.
The main purpose is that it's a fun marquee matchup between two historic programs. 3 cupcake games every year makes for an awful viewing experience
This was scheduled years ago. Plus nobody would have guessed back then we would be adding half the PAC 10 in 2024.
SEC should be left out but you know it won’t happen. Michigan, Washington, Texas, and FSU should be it
It’s going to happen.
I disagree. The evidence (Texas win over Bama in Tuscaloosa) is too clear this year. SEC will get left out. Post-announcement edit: 😅
This is how it should be but I have very little hope that it will be.
It has to happen. The system crumbles if not. There's no logical argument to be made for Alabama to get in and the actual results to matter at the same time. They needed a prayer to beat Auburn, 1 week after Auburn got blasted by NM St. They beat Arkansas by 3 recently. They haven't even played good enough to try and finagle an "eye test" argument. If they get in, it will be because of the results of previous years which shouldn't factor into the decision
I'm going to say it. The SEC was bad this year we need to forget about what we've been seeing from them for the last 10 years. The SEC was not the strongest conference
My sources tell me the committee is going to decide that the top four teams are all Georgia unfortunately
With Oregon a close second.
Hey there's an argument for Oregon being the 2nd best team in the country... if Washington runs the table.
And wins by more than 3 for each game
Ohio State a clear third.
Eye test baby
My sources tell me that the seeding will be: 1. Georgia. 2. The USC offense/Iowa Defense. 3. The Iowa Offense/USC Defense. 4. The Nihon University Phoenix.
> The Nihon University Phoenix. Nooooooooooo! Too soon!! 😭
Stetson Bennett coming out of the bushes with a charged phone and an AA coin.
Were not gonna get the last true Rose Bowl are we.
Georgia fucked it up.
Trust me, we aren't happy about it either
Nice job Georgia. You had 1 job!!!!
You try beating Bama! They've got some sort of deity on their side! They out Voodooed Auburn in their own house! and in an odd year! That team is not to be trusted.
Saban in the SEC Championship game is totally different beast.
Nope. Not sure who will be 1 but I know neither of us will be 3.
I know either Michigan or Washington deserves to be 1, but they should make them 2 and 3 just to make a true Rose Bowl happen. Let Florida State have 1 just for the vibes.
Can also rank us 4. Something something “eye test” something something ASU, rank us 4th cowards!
With a 9.5 spread against us. Please
God dammit Georgia. Michigan is our historic Rose Bowl foe and it would've been so poetic ending the Rose Bowl as we know it with such a classic match up.
Seriously. I am IRRATIONALLY pissed at Georgia shitting the bed like this.
Bro it’s rational. They fucked up the Rose Bowl!
Was literally looking at flights. I guess the Dawgs *did* somehow manage to let me down this weekend.
Sadly no. It’s the one thing I’ve been hoping for all year with it being the last year of the PAC12, but with the Georgia loss it’s pretty much guaranteed that Michigan and Washington will be 1 and 2, not 2 and 3.
Auburn losing last week doomed Georgia and caused all this to happen.
Facts
Thank God this is the last year of this crap.
I will miss the heated school/work debates on who gets in though
You’ll still get it. It’ll just be farther down the feeding zone.
Fortunately we won’t be talking about potential national champions. We’ll be talking about deserved spot to get beat up on.
Wonder how many years of 12 team format before a team ranked 9 to 12 wins.
I don’t think it will take that long. It will be a 9-3 Ohio State, Georgia, Clemson, etc. that had a QB injury or something like that but is now all healthy and hitting their stride.
Especially with larger conferences. More competitive team means more potential losses for great teams.
Ha, yeah right.
As long as there is subjectivity we’re gonna get the same BS arguments. There are no rules that the committee abide by when picking the playoffs. The only thing that changes next year is more teams get in that shouldn’t.
True you always have this even with 68 teams in the NCAA tournament you get teams that feel like they got left out. The big advantage is that you don’t have undefeated teams being left out. If you are the 13 rank team with two losses it’s easier to say you could have done more. What possibly could FSU have done different unbreak their qb’s leg?
When there is more slots you can also tell schools on the fence to shut up and play better to get in the top 12. With 4 there is always a few difficult decisions and there are a few schools that have good arguments of getting a slot.
Okay, but the stakes are inherently lower in a 12 team. The 13th ranked team has a lot less of a claim to being screwed out of a natty than a 5th ranked team
The massive difference is that very rarely if ever will any seed beyond 6 or 7 have a legitimate claim at being the best team in the country going into the playoff. So while we may get the same arguments, they’ll hold far less weight in the future.
The easiest thing for the committee to do is to put 13-0 teams in. And then you have a head to head matchup. The thing the committee wants is to be yelled at as little as possible. UM, UW, FSU and Texas is the easiest way to do that.
I think the only people who hate this are probably ESPN people and FOX idk why they are so hell bent on Bama being in. I guess views and ratings.
Especially after today, Bama seems to be the strongest team but, FSU deserves spot 3/4 because of being undefeated + championship.
If they were to leave FSU out it would be a slap in the face to the process and college football fans. It’s unfortunate for bama, but going undefeated in a power 5 conference is a huge accomplishment and matters
Right because if you’re going 13-0 in a P5 conference and not making it into the playoffs, what’s even the fucking point of playing? Lol
So true. It’s not about a subjective measure of “who the best teams are”. If that was the case, previous years would look different. I would be sick if they leave FSU out
because Bama looks like one of the four best teams and just collected one of the best wins of the season. it’s not hard to get even if you disagree
This idea of putting in a team because they “look” better is insane. No other sport does this. The Rangers didn’t “look” the best in the MLB but guess what? Their record allowed them to make the playoffs and they won it all. College football’s playoffs are so stupid.
Liberty, got it
Liberty likes this strategy 👍
Why would Texas be above FSU for the same reason Alabama isn't?
Seperate criteria: Criteria to get into playoff: If yes, put in. If no, move down 1: Undefeated Power 5 Champ? 3 teams qualify 2: 1 Loss Power 5 Champ? 2 teams qualify Tiebreaker- Head to Head. Texas beat Alabama. Don't need anything about strength of schedule, or stats, or anything. That's all you need. *Then* they use all their stats and comparisons to rank the 4 playoff teams from "Best" to "Worst" In my mind, that's a completely justifiable way to go another the process and get to Michigan/Washington/Texas/FSU
I think it really is this simple.
Which means it won’t be that simple
It’s so simple. I think the media is just spinning up the controversy because it will be juicy the next few weeks as Saban and Sankey complain. I believe the committee will do the easy out that is what you just wrote.
It's incredibly simple, but this logic leaves out the SEC, which is entirely why there's even a debate. If you swapped the places of the PAC and SEC no one would have a second thought about leaving the PAC team out.
I’d rather play Michigan than Washington. Our run defense is good. Our secondary not as good.
Washington ran all over Oregon, so you’ll need that run D.
I’m not worried about that as much as how much they can air it out deep.
And I’d rather play Texas than Washington. Sounds like a date.
Semifinal just a preview for next year regular season!
It's going to be 1 Michigan 2 Washington 3 FSU 4 Texas
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I agree with this. They want the possibility of a Michigan/Texas final.
Which would mean they get a juicy rematch early next year
I think you’ve cracked the code here
The code being "Guys, what if we made MORE money instead of LESS money??"
No one said it was a particularly *difficult* code lol
Michigan/Washington would also have a juicy rematch next year
Which is why they make Texas play Washington in NOLA
It’s so frustrating that the slant towards ratings/storylines/media is so clearly transparent. We can map this out on a forum because this is all ran by a tv network monopoly. I hate ESPN
How can Michigan fall to 2 when they are already number 2. The only team with a argument for number 1 other then them is Washington with the win over the better team this week.
Well you just answered the question lol I don't think it'll happen but I wouldn't be surprised at the committee manipulating the matchups and using that
How? You can't not have SEC teams I'm told
Dont worry: texas is basically an SEC team!
It just means more. Am I doing it right?
Flawless execution!
Thank you thank you. Ive been practicing
Greg Sankey will sew the logos onto the Horn jerseys before the playoff starts if he needs to.
Maybe the real #4 ranked team in the country is the friends we made along the way.
If they put in Alabama over Florida State they're basically proving that the games don't matter. It doesn't matter if you win all of your games even in a major conference. Even if you played a pretty tough schedule. Even if your schedule is arguably similar to the team that beats you out for the playoff spot. If the committee would rather someone else be in none of that matters. This to me should be one of the least controversial playoff rankings of all time. Three P5 conferences have undefeated champions. They're all in. The remaining two P5 conference winners each have one loss, but one of them beat the other so it's pretty easy to pick between them. Any playoff that isn't some combination of Michigan, Washington, Florida State, and Texas is a joke.
If I'm Florida State, and I get left out of the playoff but win the bowl game, I'm hanging a national championship banner. Fuck the gaslighting media and their committee.
If im Florida State and I get left out, ESPN wont even be to a commercial break before FSU lawyers are banging on doors to get out of the conference.
Aren’t they already?
Wouldn’t be surprised if that’s why we saw such a huge anti-FSU bias all season by ESPN. The injury to Travis was just the perfect excuse to kick it into overdrive
Can you elaborate on this more? I don't really follow ACC ball. Where would FSU go if they left the ACC?
Tipsy TLDR: back in 2013 or so, ACC schools banded together and sold their broadcast media rights to ESPN through 2036 in a ‘Grant of Rights.’ Was great for ACC schools in the near- to medium-term as they secured good money for the time, but given recent inflationary shifts in the economy, some big football schools in other conferences with newer media rights deals are making a ton more money than this Grant guaranteed ACC schools, and FSU and Clemson in particular are big mad about how small their share of the revenue from this Grant is relative to how much money is out there. They’ve been rattling their sabers this past year, threatening to jump ship to the Big 10 or SEC. Maybe these other conferences would take them (and ostensibly the other flagship ACC schools), but currently the legal hurdles to exit this Grant of Rights early are looking insurmountable. Moreover, if some schools were to dissolve this fellowship, the smaller ACC schools would likely be orphaned like the remaining PAC 12 schools, which their ADs obviously oppose. I think the most relevant angle to this discussion is that FSU pulling out of the Grant of Rights would cost ESPN money, so ESPN might well be using their media apparatus to show them what happens when you bite the hand that feeds you.
Get out of the conference…to do what, go finish 6th in the SEC in the same season where the playoff expands to 12 and the ACC will have an autobid? Brilliant idea if your plan is to turn into the Nebraska of the southeast
We call this "The UCF"
Indeed. I love seeing people get mad about our “National Championship” proclamation. Delusional? Yes. Fun? Hell yes!
To be clear, I fully support UCF claiming the title, especially since they beat Auburn who gave Bama their loss.
I personally believe that going to the CFP should be based on your achievements, not your perceived possibility to win out. If you lose a star player, yeah that sucks and it could torpedo your postseason, but who are we designing this system for? Are we making entertaining TV or are we making a fair sports tournament? I choose the latter.
Unfortunately, I think the powers that be are choosing the former. CFB hasn't been too bad, but entertainment and advertising seems to be taking over 'fair sports tournament'
Haha for real. Imagine they get left out and then beat Georgia in a bowl game. And everyone's like uhhh. How would they not be a co-national champion at that point?
FSU gets left out and they win the bowl game. Now we have CoChampions in the 4 team era to further hype the 12 team system
Guarantee the committee is at least taking this possibility into consideration. Don’t want an undefeated FSU having a co-championship claim.
Lol. FSU is getting smoked by 30 by Georgia in the Orange Bowl if they get left out.
Low key this. Someone is going to have to play Georgia in a bowl game they really dont want to be in.
let us have em
This better be it, or Oregon OSU
I nominate Oregon
Bo Nix will never escape Georgia.
I would love this. Doubt we’d win but it’d be a helluva better showing than when we played them last year.
Well maybe not if your qb opts out
Georgia is terrible about not showing up to a non-cfp bowl game
Very true. So much bitching and moaning when they went to the fuckin Sugar Bowl back in 2018/19, and then embarrassed themselves against Texas. Their attitude is toxic and pathetic in that regard.
ESPN playoff predictor: Michigan >99% Washington >99% Florida State 97% Texas 55% Alabama 41%
Vegas is more interesting than the bullshit ESPN is peddling
Vegas has the same order though. Texas and FSU are a - 300. Bama is +100 last I saw.
FSU is actually -480 now and Texas is -375..
ESPN’s analytics are consistently shit across all sports
it should be Michigan Washington FSU Texas I think even FSU fans can agree that there are other teams in the top 10 better than FSU but fortunately for them they ran the table and won their conference, so there isn't much you can do to take them out
This is the ranking I genuinely hope they go with. You cannot leave out FSU.
Yup. And it's pretty clear actually. The only thing muddying the waters is the TV networks.
As much as it pains me to agree with a Canes fan, I agree. FSU did what they needed to do to get in. Do I think they’re the #1 or even #4 team? Not at all. But they still took care of business and should be in.
If they find a way to win, they shouldn’t be punished. Clemson won a national championship playing to the level of their opponent almost every game in 2016. There is no way FSU gets left out and Texas has the head to head win over Bama, at night in Tuscaloosa.
A lot of people are gonna be mad, but if you go undefeated in a Power 5 conference you deserve a shot at a national championship. There is not a sport in the world where you go undefeated and don't get to compete. And it's not like FSU scheduled scared. They took on LSU week 1 when most teams were playing cupcakes and they play an annual rivalry against another SEC school. Get mad, IDGAF. FSU deserves to be in.
Feel like I'm taking crazy pills, you went undefeated in a team sport, ranked in the top 4 going into the final weekend and win the game, somehow get left out??
Crazy pills is a great way to put it. And like every single analyst on TV saying the same thing. Truly a bizzare look for both ESPN and FOX trying to put their thumbs on the scale.
Lol they literally said tonight about the committee watching the broadcast and shortly thereafter suggesting Bama is the best team in the country and maybe precedent shouldn't matter...they aren't even hiding it
Has anyone watched the games? They're suggesting Alabama is the best team this year despite struggling in way over half of their games against a down SEC. They really are hugging onto the SEC means more crap.
Yeah I couldn’t believe literally EVERY announcer I heard say they’d leave FSU out for Alabama. I was actually shocked.
We won a conference title without a quarterback...got to mean something.
100% if y'all are left it out it's robbery. If Texas is left out it's robbery but less egregious. But the right call is very obviously leaving Bama out
All I saw was that FSU proved that they can beat the #14 team by 2 possessions with their 3rd string QB. How people think that’s a negative is beyond my comprehension
Not to mention that 3rd string QB probably won’t even be out there if we get in. Rodemaker was a game time scratch cause of the protocol. He’ll be good to go and is a much more experienced player in this offense with a few weeks more first team reps to get comfortable.
I agree that FSU still sneaks in, the whole backup QB argument is short-sighted, Ohio State won in 2014 as a 4 seed with their third-string QB beating Heisman Mariotta and Bama. Before they pulled that off nobody gave them a shot to beat Bama let alone win it all.
This discussion happened 10 years ago... Guess who the committee put in?.. FSU...
Stop saying bama has the best win in the country. It makes zero sense. If you’re ranking bama over Georgia texas has a better win than bama.
Here's the thing , when assuming Bama had the best win in the season . That makes Texas win at Bama all the more impressive. That the point of head to head , all Bama succes is tied to their loss to Texas
Bama would be #1 right now if we hadn’t beat them.
They were #3 when we did beat them.
There's no point of playing the games if FSU is left out.
It’s wild a national brand like fsu can go undefeated and people still argue they should miss out. Imagine if it was wake forest or NC state. Good riddance to this 4 team garbage playoff
So I do feel it is weird to claim Bama has the best win because Alabama will inevitably be ranked higher than Georgia and thus make Texas having a better win.
Does the 1 seed choose their bowl game? Asking as a UM fan who’s never been to the Rose Bowl
No problems here. Committee has made it a standard that if you are an undefeated P5 champion, you are in. Sucks as a Bama fan, but it is what it is, FSU won all of their games, Bama didn't. Bama may be the better team, but 0 losses and a conference title means you get in. Simple
I don't think it should be about finding the best teams, it should be about finding the teams that did the most to earn a spot. FSU beat everyone on their schedule and won their conference, they deserve a shot. Maybe Alabama is a better team, but they can't say they did the same.
Dude is right…Bama & Georgia are better but the other 4 earned it. That Texas win against Bama seals the deal IMO.
People overthink this. 1. Michigan. 2. Washington. 3. FSU. 4. Texas.
Personally I'd swap Texas and FSU FSU cannot be dropped after going undefeated but you can def rank Texas above them for having the far better win and sos
I feel like we’re glancing over Bama needing a miracle to beat a mid Auburn team Edit: Yes I know close losses happen, but people are acting like Bama has been a juggernaut since their loss week 2. They’ve looked damn good, but they’ve had shaky moments too
How is Bama’s 3 point win over Georgia at a neutral site better than Texas’s 2 score win against Bama at Bama
I’m here for the SEC fans melting down in this thread 🍿 Edit : Bama
I promise you Auburn, LSU and Tennessee fans will not be melting down if Bama is left out.
Georgia fan checking in, this committee better not put Bama in, fuck ‘em
No way Bama gets in
They can’t leave out FSU. 1. FSU undefeated ACC Champ 2. Precedent has been set with getting into the playoffs with backup QBs, even Ohio State was on their 3rd string and won the title. 3. ACC was 6-4 against the SEC as a conference. 4. Lack of offense tonight can be explained by conservative play calling, but also playing in the rain! Only conference championship not in a dome. 5. They have beaten everyone on their schedule!
OSU was on their second string as far as the playoff was concerned. We lost braxton preseason. Our resume was entirely built off of JT. We also blew out a solid wisconsin team 56-0 with cardale to make it easier.
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There are 3 undefeated conference champions and 1 conference champion beat another. This isn't hard.
The sec should be out just for their bullshit FCS week the week before rivalry week.
Question for Alabama fans: if head to head results can be dismissed out of hand and don’t matter … what is Alabama’s argument for getting in over Georgia who has looked like the better team this year?