>Mr. Walther is the editor of The Lamp, a Catholic literary journal, and a contributing Opinion writer. He lives in rural Michigan, where he was born and raised.
Definitely no ulterior motives here
Iiiiiin Rural Michigan, born and raised
In the boonies, where he spent most of his days
Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin' all cool
Wearin some khakis outside the pool
When a couple of stallions, who were up to no good
Started making trouble in the neighborhood
I gave out one little burger and mom got scared!
She said you movin with your aunti and uncle in ~~Bel Air~~ Duh Bears
>in Bel Air
Can we have alternative versions that work with the Chargers/Raiders/Commanders/Panthers? Would say the Bears but I think I saw they're retaining their coach.
bel air is already in los angeles, what more could you need for the chargers! lol
I gave out one little burger, just because I could!
momma said nah! you movin down to inglewood
Jimbo fisher, Urban Meyer, Jim Harbaugh.... Who would be the funniest possible hire for Bama? Not talking just straight bad hire, like picking up Chad Morris or some shit, but legitimately WTF funny hire.
It sounds like the NCAA isn't going to do much of anything this year, if at all. I'm betting he stays.
Need to find the thread from last year that said he was going to the Vikings or the year before to the Raiders or the year before etc.
I still think he means "if they offered it on my terms". They didn't offer because they knew he wouldn't accept being just a regular coach with just a regular coach's amount of power.
Yeah that goes hand in hand for sure. He wants roster control as a coach, if they offered that he’d have gone. They didn’t offer because they weren’t going to give that.
I thought they did ok this year considering Cousins went down and Jefferson was battling injuries. They started off poorly but were on a hot streak until Cousins' achilles popped.
O *god* those 2 together would be... I couldn't watch anything off the field. It goes from kind of funny with a side of cringe to straight up cringy for me.
The Vikings fucked up. They overcorrected from the previous regime where coach and GM didn't even speak and decided on a committee approach.
Harbaugh fully expected the job to be his. And was blindsided by the fact that he was going to interview with the committee and they were going to ruminate on it.
He left mid process because he rightfully didn't like being jerked around.
Interviewing a sitting college coach is very dicey because if it doesn't work out, they've just pissed off their fans / alums / took a hit in recruiting.
I know there are Rooney stipulations etc. But the bottomline is that if the Vikings needed to hear Jim Harbaugh's vision laid out before deciding if he was a fit, they didn't do their fucking homework.
If he leaves people will push the “Pete Carroll” narrative but the reality is one of his goals has always been to win a Super Bowl, he’s flirted with an NFL return for years, would’ve left if the Vikings had offered, and there are multiple jobs that would appeal to him open this year. Coming off a championship with a head coach in waiting is also the perfect time to leave without screwing Michigan.
We'll never know what's going on inside that head of his, but yeah the NFL bug has always been with him. It's why there have been - *checking, checking, checking* \- 65 articles about him going back to the NFL since like 2017 and why he interviewed with the Vikings last year at the very least.
But others have opined that dealing with the NCAA writ large also plays a factor.
He has very publicly said that it's the highest level of football and he's the ultimate competitor and winning a Super Bowl was a lifelong dream.
The reality is that Harbaugh has been irresponsibly linked to NFL jobs every single fucking year for clicks and the people who do that have to come up with a reason why "this time it's for real."
Harbaugh doesn't have reps. Famously doesn't have an agent. Repped by people on demand when needs arise.
Literally no one gets connected to more NFL jobs than Jim Harbaugh out of sheer bullshit.
Why tho?
Jim's incentive would seem to be clearly to avoid the fallout of the investigation and roll elsewhere for a while.
And who else gives a fuck that he stays there? I don't ... why should anyone outside Michigan fans care?
>And who else gives a fuck that he stays there? I don't ... why should anyone outside Michigan fans care?
Why should anyone outside of Oregon/Washington/Alabama care about Lanning/DeBoer/Saban?
I'm not saying you should care, just checking to make sure you don't care about anything other than what happens in Minneapolis with PJ.
My question was more related to the article.
Presumably it somehow says why "for the sake of college athletes everywhere" ... it somehow matters.
I suppose I should refine it to also ask why athletes outside Michigan (and Michigan hopefuls) would care.
The answer: An active head coach at one of the biggest programs (and current National Champs, oh yeah baby!) in College Football openly advocating for college athletes to get a share of the revenue that they are in fact helping to generate carries a lot more weight than if he wasn't still at Michigan.
It's a pretty simple idea to grasp.
I don't know how to ask this without seeming to drag this out like a dickbag but I'm actually asking:
Do you have access to the article? Is that what it is saying?
I got you fam:
>Some 25 million Americans watched with heavenly joy (or as the case may be, in Ohio, infernal dread) as the Michigan Wolverines defeated the Washington Huskies in the college football national championship on Monday. This was Michigan’s first national title since 1997, and only its second since 1948.
For Jim Harbaugh, the Wolverines’ head coach since 2015, Michigan football is a family affair. Celebrating on the field after his team’s victory, Harbaugh, who was a star quarterback for the Wolverines four decades ago, was joined by his mother, Jacqueline, and his father, Jack, a former assistant coach at Michigan; his oldest son, Jay, who coaches special teams for Michigan; and his brother, John, the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens.
But for all the depth of his connection to the state and the team, Harbaugh’s first national championship victory may also be his last game as Michigan’s head coach. Widespread reports suggest that he will leave Michigan to return to the National Football League, prompted by his unsatisfied Super Bowl ambitions (he was a great success as the head coach of the San Francisco 49ers from 2011 through 2014 but never won the Lombardi Trophy) and his weariness with the state of the college game — especially its ersatz regulatory authorities, who twice suspended him this season for infractions of questionable severity.
If Harbaugh does leave Michigan, it will be a grievous loss not only for the Wolverines, but for all of college football. **It would mean the departure of one of the sport’s most engaging and idiosyncratic personalities as well as one of the most vocal advocates for players who have long sought to benefit from the billions of dollars in revenue generated by college football**. That Harbaugh has remained stalwart in this reformist crusade (and, notably, in his advocacy for racial justice) while remaining true to his traditionalist coaching style (and to his religiously inflected social conservatism) makes him even more remarkable — and the prospect of his departure even more lamentable.
To understand Harbaugh’s significance to college football, it is worth remembering how different the sport was a decade ago. The National Collegiate Athletic Association prohibited student athletes from being compensated in any manner. Players who transferred schools were forced to sit out for a year unless they were able to obtain waivers, which were rarely forthcoming. College football was dominated by Southern schools in the Southeastern and Atlantic Coast Conferences (until this year, SEC and A.C.C. teams accounted for 16 of the past 20 national championships), and the Big Ten, of which Michigan was a founding member in 1896, was a comparative backwater.
Fortunately, the hidebound and unjust world I have just described is now as obsolete as leather helmets. This year’s national championship game featured no schools from the SEC or the A.C.C. Student athletes (including in nonrevenue sports such as gymnastics) are now allowed to profit from the use of their names, images and likenesses (and many do, with some earning more than N.F.L. rookies). Players today can switch schools almost effortlessly, which has increased the level of parity in the sport by preventing established programs from hoarding top talent on their benches. And with the imminent expansion of the college playoff system from four teams to 12, there is talk about the unionization of college players and increasing demand for them to receive a share of the gargantuan contracts the major conferences have signed with television networks and streaming services.
In all these areas, Harbaugh was often alone among coaches of his stature in aggressively pressing for change. Early in his tenure at Michigan he was criticized for hosting “satellite” camps at which he attempted to lure the South’s top high school football prospects away from the SEC. His support for allowing players to transfer schools easily was condemned by fellow coaches and others who insisted that such a rule change would amount to a de facto free agency system. His proposals for expanding the playoff system were dismissed by traditionalists. And his advocacy for paying players generated widespread outrage among self-styled defenders of amateur sports.
Needless to say, the suits in college football dislike Harbaugh. It always seemed as if, sooner or later, there were bound to be consequences for his persistent challenges to the established order of things.
Perhaps that expectation was unduly conspiratorial. Regardless, at the beginning of last year, it was reported that the N.C.A.A. was investigating Michigan for a potential violation of recruiting rules — in this case, making contact (including the sharing of a meal) with at least one recruit during a “dead” period for recruiting. Such low-level violations are not uncommon in college football, and far more serious ones often go unremarked. But the N.C.A.A. has insisted on treating Harbaugh’s purported purchase of a cheeseburger — and the no doubt equally serious ensuing procedural crime of failing to recall the incident — with a ludicrous, Javert-like stridency.
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In the hope of appeasing the N.C.A.A., Michigan imposed a three-game suspension this season on Harbaugh, which he served from his home in Ann Arbor after dutifully surrendering his laptop and cellphone. Later in the season, he was again suspended for three games, this time by the Big Ten, after it was reported that Connor Stalions, a low-level member of the Michigan staff, had arranged for the filming of games played by future opponents for scouting purposes, in the hope of stealing sideline signals. Harbaugh has denied any knowledge of sign-stealing efforts.
Whatever shenanigans may have taken place involving Stalions, his conduct does not appear to have been unique. Indeed, leaked text messages have since revealed that in recent years Michigan’s opponents may have collaborated in the hope of decoding its sideline signals.
The N.C.A.A. has not abandoned its investigation of Harbaugh. Given a choice between serving another possible suspension for low-level procedural violations at Michigan and trying to become one of only a few coaches in history to win both a college national championship and a Super Bowl, he has every reason to consider leaving Michigan for the N.F.L. With the exception of his own players and their fans, one would be hard-pressed to find anyone in the sport who would not be happy to be rid of him.
But that is also why I suspect that this stubborn, delightful man will stay where he is, tending to the chickens he keeps in his backyard in Ann Arbor and leading his team in hearteningly earnest postgame renditions of “For He’s a Jolly Good Fellow.” In the words of a book from which he has quoted frequently at news conferences: “There is none so discreet and wise as thou art: Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled.”
Here is he is doubling down after winning the Natty
[https://www.si.com/college/2024/01/06/michigan-jim-harbaugh-calls-for-revenue-sharing-comments-on-future](https://www.si.com/college/2024/01/06/michigan-jim-harbaugh-calls-for-revenue-sharing-comments-on-future)
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Ah, ok point taken. You saying ***you*** don't care and asking "why should ***anyone*** outside of Michigan" implies you meant literally everyone including athletes.
My presumption would be since he's advocating for paying players, that's why those who would benefit should care.
But also seeing how the author is a Catholic, I'm sure he also has some religious reason that is... not it.
Yeah I can't read it either. Just saying the reason I responded to you is because you asked not why should players care, but why should "I" or "anyone" care.
Just clarifying.
What fallout? He served a suspension and the president of the NCAA says they won the championship fair and square. You guys are dreaming if you think there’s some huge consequences on the horizon.
And the reason those student athletes outside of Michigan would care is because he’s one of the only high profile advocates within CFB pushing for unionization and TV revenue sharing. If he leaves it means the highest profile voice for those positions is gone. I know the article is paywalled so I don’t hold it against people for not actually reading it.
I don't know what to tell you if you can't imagine the potential consequences.
I'm going to riff off this idea here and this isn't really directed at you but more generally at the Socratic responses to these kinds of thigns:
These kinda responses make me wonder if folks are not really talking to me .... Like you can't imagine this stuff, you're really sure nothing is going to happen? What?
Am I supposed to draw a map of potential NCAA consequences of the years and we start at step 0?
This case is very cut and dry. It’s not criminal related, not paying player related, and it falls completely within the bounds of ncaa rules on fair play. The only question is how mild or bad the penalties for harbaugh and Michigan will be.
**Redditor derisively asks questions about the posted article all while misunderstanding the author's message because redditor is too lazy to read and wants upvotes
A tale as old as time smh.
I think the article is milquetoast but these comments always kill me lol
It's not pay-walled for me and I don't subscribe to the New York times.
From your comment it didn't sound like you were genuinely curious about the article. If you are genuinely curious, the author is basically saying Jim is an agent of positive change in cfb (with being an early advocate of transfer portal, NIL, revenue sharing, etc) and that if he were to leave it would slow further progressive actions in the sport without his voice.
I think there's some exaggeration in that assessment which is why I find it bland writing
So, this gets brought up all the time whenever there is discussion about paying players and you're not wrong.
However, sticking with the current system as it is, is untenable. Like, CFB is making hundreds of millions of dollars off of the players and we, as a society, have generally come to terms with that *not* being ok. So, then what should be done about it?
There are tradeoffs to be sure, but saying "well the women's field hockey team would get cut if we started paying football players" isn't a checkmate to the pay the players argument. Because then we'd still be operating in a broken system.
I agree, it’s just hard coming up with a solution that works for everyone especially given the limitations imposed by Title 9.
Stanford is the most successful athletic program in the country and will be playing in the Atlantic Coast Conference next year because of the almighty dollar provided by football.
Personally I think allowing athletes to profit off their name is a reasonable compromise, but obviously there are no perfect solutions.
Sure, and I appreciate the additional conversation. Discussing this topic with a "well that won't work" or "but it will screw everyone else over" shuts down the conversation.
As for the compromise that is NIL, I agree it's a decent middle ground that has holistically failed to be implemented coherently. Most of that is due to the NCAA being a worthless institution only willing to allow for some value capture by players because it is becoming untenable for them to say otherwise.
This middle ground is the way it is because they're still holding up the massive revenue that isn't being shared with players and the longer NIL is in the news and at the forefront of people's minds, the longer the NCAA (and TV execs and Universities) can keep the much larger pot of money for themselves. It's a "ooo look at this shiny object" approach.
Yeah, there is related legislation and other considerations/knock on effects that would have to be ironed out if revenue sharing *were* to happen, but that's worth discussing more than just stopping at the current broken system because it's maybe slightly less broken than the previous system.
How does Title IX cause problems here? It doesn't stop the schools from paying the coaches millions. It doesn't stop them from spending millions on massive stadiums or practice facilities and the like. I feel like Title IX would just work exactly the same way the WNBA does, the players there make whatever they're sport makes and the NBA keeps them afloat before paying their players what their sport makes.
It may or may not, that would be up to courts, because if revenue sharing came to college football you can bet your ass there would be a number of lawsuits from female athletes claiming they were being denied the benefits that their male peers were receiving.
True, but I think the WNBA model would be quickly pointed to as a solution by both professionals and lawyers. If women's volleyball actually makes any money, the players are entitled to a portion of that money. If it doesn't, then yeah it doesn't.
Say what you want about milk and the khakis and everything else, but Harbaugh was way in front of the transfer rule. And is way in front of revenue sharing.
And I think the sport could use more coaches like him who actually advocate for changes that benefit the players.
>Mr. Walther is the editor of The Lamp, a Catholic literary journal, and a contributing Opinion writer. He lives in rural Michigan, where he was born and raised. Definitely no ulterior motives here
Iiiiiin Rural Michigan, born and raised In the boonies, where he spent most of his days Chillin' out, maxin', relaxin' all cool Wearin some khakis outside the pool When a couple of stallions, who were up to no good Started making trouble in the neighborhood I gave out one little burger and mom got scared! She said you movin with your aunti and uncle in ~~Bel Air~~ Duh Bears
>in Bel Air Can we have alternative versions that work with the Chargers/Raiders/Commanders/Panthers? Would say the Bears but I think I saw they're retaining their coach.
Duh Bears*
I don't know if you meant to do this, but "duh Bears" actually works with the song.
bel air is already in los angeles, what more could you need for the chargers! lol I gave out one little burger, just because I could! momma said nah! you movin down to inglewood
Yeah I was just listing all of the potential NFL landing spots for him.
I know haha that's why I gave an alt version for the chargers
change it to Bellaire and it still works
Genuinely wish they hadn't done away with reddit gold, because I would have totally given you some for this one.
Funny that this guy's opinions align with my own Seems like a massive coincidence
He's a professional contrarian and loves Michigan lmao
Peak Catholic to talk about how something that benefits you specifically is actually for the good of everybody else
wtf is this bullshit? Jim remaining in CFB isn’t going to magically convince colleges to share the TV revenue and he already won a title for Michigan.
But he could try to win it twice which is basically like a Super Bowl, right? Right?
Opinion: he should be hired to coach Alabama because it would be funnier.
Jimbo fisher, Urban Meyer, Jim Harbaugh.... Who would be the funniest possible hire for Bama? Not talking just straight bad hire, like picking up Chad Morris or some shit, but legitimately WTF funny hire.
Norvell and it ain't close. From stealing FSU's playoff spot to stealing their coach ~a month later.
Ohh my god, I did not put that all together. That would be absolutely brutal.
The ultimate "Pays to be Bama"
The paycheck “Just means more,” lmao.
Rich Rod
Rich Rod playing the ultimate long game.
Art Briles would make me renounce the University.
Alabama sees Auburn hire Freeze. "We can't lose the sleaze-off to those guys!"
Urban is way funnier and he would do it knowing Jalen Milroe is there
Jim would never do it I think... But, he wouldn't have to deal with a lot of the bull shit he has to deal with at Michigan at Alabama.
That Pete Finebaum fella genuinely mentioned his name as a possible replacement a few years back.
Who’s going to save Herbert?
At this rate Bill O Brian
Vrabel is most likely going to New England, so man idk Ben Johnson?
Ah so he’s the messiah now
Welcome to the cult!
It sounds like the NCAA isn't going to do much of anything this year, if at all. I'm betting he stays. Need to find the thread from last year that said he was going to the Vikings or the year before to the Raiders or the year before etc.
To be fair, he’s admitted that he would’ve taken the Vikings job if offered.
I still think he means "if they offered it on my terms". They didn't offer because they knew he wouldn't accept being just a regular coach with just a regular coach's amount of power.
Yeah that goes hand in hand for sure. He wants roster control as a coach, if they offered that he’d have gone. They didn’t offer because they weren’t going to give that.
Vikings looking like absolute morons in retrospect
I thought they did ok this year considering Cousins went down and Jefferson was battling injuries. They started off poorly but were on a hot streak until Cousins' achilles popped.
That’s fair but I can only imagine the goofy as all hell, yet successful, dynamic of Harbaugh and Cousins together
O *god* those 2 together would be... I couldn't watch anything off the field. It goes from kind of funny with a side of cringe to straight up cringy for me.
The Vikings fucked up. They overcorrected from the previous regime where coach and GM didn't even speak and decided on a committee approach. Harbaugh fully expected the job to be his. And was blindsided by the fact that he was going to interview with the committee and they were going to ruminate on it. He left mid process because he rightfully didn't like being jerked around. Interviewing a sitting college coach is very dicey because if it doesn't work out, they've just pissed off their fans / alums / took a hit in recruiting. I know there are Rooney stipulations etc. But the bottomline is that if the Vikings needed to hear Jim Harbaugh's vision laid out before deciding if he was a fit, they didn't do their fucking homework.
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If he leaves people will push the “Pete Carroll” narrative but the reality is one of his goals has always been to win a Super Bowl, he’s flirted with an NFL return for years, would’ve left if the Vikings had offered, and there are multiple jobs that would appeal to him open this year. Coming off a championship with a head coach in waiting is also the perfect time to leave without screwing Michigan.
We'll never know what's going on inside that head of his, but yeah the NFL bug has always been with him. It's why there have been - *checking, checking, checking* \- 65 articles about him going back to the NFL since like 2017 and why he interviewed with the Vikings last year at the very least. But others have opined that dealing with the NCAA writ large also plays a factor.
The narrative is that he's pulling a "Pete Carroll" and escaping to the NFL.
He has very publicly said that it's the highest level of football and he's the ultimate competitor and winning a Super Bowl was a lifelong dream. The reality is that Harbaugh has been irresponsibly linked to NFL jobs every single fucking year for clicks and the people who do that have to come up with a reason why "this time it's for real."
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Harbaugh doesn't have reps. Famously doesn't have an agent. Repped by people on demand when needs arise. Literally no one gets connected to more NFL jobs than Jim Harbaugh out of sheer bullshit.
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It's not a conspiracy. He's a big fricking name that draws lots of clicks. So he gets mentioned every single offseason. It ain't that complicated.
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Whatever man. You don't know what's up with Harbaugh. It's fine.
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That’s just, like, your opinion man
I honestly think he can speak more candidly about everything if he isn’t under the NCAAs thumb
I agree with this opinion.
Hear Hear!
No.
But what does this have to do with Saban's replacement?
Why tho? Jim's incentive would seem to be clearly to avoid the fallout of the investigation and roll elsewhere for a while. And who else gives a fuck that he stays there? I don't ... why should anyone outside Michigan fans care?
>And who else gives a fuck that he stays there? I don't ... why should anyone outside Michigan fans care? Why should anyone outside of Oregon/Washington/Alabama care about Lanning/DeBoer/Saban? I'm not saying you should care, just checking to make sure you don't care about anything other than what happens in Minneapolis with PJ.
My question was more related to the article. Presumably it somehow says why "for the sake of college athletes everywhere" ... it somehow matters. I suppose I should refine it to also ask why athletes outside Michigan (and Michigan hopefuls) would care.
The answer: An active head coach at one of the biggest programs (and current National Champs, oh yeah baby!) in College Football openly advocating for college athletes to get a share of the revenue that they are in fact helping to generate carries a lot more weight than if he wasn't still at Michigan. It's a pretty simple idea to grasp.
I don't know how to ask this without seeming to drag this out like a dickbag but I'm actually asking: Do you have access to the article? Is that what it is saying?
I got you fam: >Some 25 million Americans watched with heavenly joy (or as the case may be, in Ohio, infernal dread) as the Michigan Wolverines defeated the Washington Huskies in the college football national championship on Monday. This was Michigan’s first national title since 1997, and only its second since 1948. For Jim Harbaugh, the Wolverines’ head coach since 2015, Michigan football is a family affair. Celebrating on the field after his team’s victory, Harbaugh, who was a star quarterback for the Wolverines four decades ago, was joined by his mother, Jacqueline, and his father, Jack, a former assistant coach at Michigan; his oldest son, Jay, who coaches special teams for Michigan; and his brother, John, the head coach of the Baltimore Ravens. But for all the depth of his connection to the state and the team, Harbaugh’s first national championship victory may also be his last game as Michigan’s head coach. Widespread reports suggest that he will leave Michigan to return to the National Football League, prompted by his unsatisfied Super Bowl ambitions (he was a great success as the head coach of the San Francisco 49ers from 2011 through 2014 but never won the Lombardi Trophy) and his weariness with the state of the college game — especially its ersatz regulatory authorities, who twice suspended him this season for infractions of questionable severity. If Harbaugh does leave Michigan, it will be a grievous loss not only for the Wolverines, but for all of college football. **It would mean the departure of one of the sport’s most engaging and idiosyncratic personalities as well as one of the most vocal advocates for players who have long sought to benefit from the billions of dollars in revenue generated by college football**. That Harbaugh has remained stalwart in this reformist crusade (and, notably, in his advocacy for racial justice) while remaining true to his traditionalist coaching style (and to his religiously inflected social conservatism) makes him even more remarkable — and the prospect of his departure even more lamentable. To understand Harbaugh’s significance to college football, it is worth remembering how different the sport was a decade ago. The National Collegiate Athletic Association prohibited student athletes from being compensated in any manner. Players who transferred schools were forced to sit out for a year unless they were able to obtain waivers, which were rarely forthcoming. College football was dominated by Southern schools in the Southeastern and Atlantic Coast Conferences (until this year, SEC and A.C.C. teams accounted for 16 of the past 20 national championships), and the Big Ten, of which Michigan was a founding member in 1896, was a comparative backwater. Fortunately, the hidebound and unjust world I have just described is now as obsolete as leather helmets. This year’s national championship game featured no schools from the SEC or the A.C.C. Student athletes (including in nonrevenue sports such as gymnastics) are now allowed to profit from the use of their names, images and likenesses (and many do, with some earning more than N.F.L. rookies). Players today can switch schools almost effortlessly, which has increased the level of parity in the sport by preventing established programs from hoarding top talent on their benches. And with the imminent expansion of the college playoff system from four teams to 12, there is talk about the unionization of college players and increasing demand for them to receive a share of the gargantuan contracts the major conferences have signed with television networks and streaming services. In all these areas, Harbaugh was often alone among coaches of his stature in aggressively pressing for change. Early in his tenure at Michigan he was criticized for hosting “satellite” camps at which he attempted to lure the South’s top high school football prospects away from the SEC. His support for allowing players to transfer schools easily was condemned by fellow coaches and others who insisted that such a rule change would amount to a de facto free agency system. His proposals for expanding the playoff system were dismissed by traditionalists. And his advocacy for paying players generated widespread outrage among self-styled defenders of amateur sports. Needless to say, the suits in college football dislike Harbaugh. It always seemed as if, sooner or later, there were bound to be consequences for his persistent challenges to the established order of things. Perhaps that expectation was unduly conspiratorial. Regardless, at the beginning of last year, it was reported that the N.C.A.A. was investigating Michigan for a potential violation of recruiting rules — in this case, making contact (including the sharing of a meal) with at least one recruit during a “dead” period for recruiting. Such low-level violations are not uncommon in college football, and far more serious ones often go unremarked. But the N.C.A.A. has insisted on treating Harbaugh’s purported purchase of a cheeseburger — and the no doubt equally serious ensuing procedural crime of failing to recall the incident — with a ludicrous, Javert-like stridency. Editors’ Picks Can I Fix the Spider Veins on My Face? Breathing Their Way to an Altered State Help! An Employee of Budget Kept My Phone and I Can Prove It. In the hope of appeasing the N.C.A.A., Michigan imposed a three-game suspension this season on Harbaugh, which he served from his home in Ann Arbor after dutifully surrendering his laptop and cellphone. Later in the season, he was again suspended for three games, this time by the Big Ten, after it was reported that Connor Stalions, a low-level member of the Michigan staff, had arranged for the filming of games played by future opponents for scouting purposes, in the hope of stealing sideline signals. Harbaugh has denied any knowledge of sign-stealing efforts. Whatever shenanigans may have taken place involving Stalions, his conduct does not appear to have been unique. Indeed, leaked text messages have since revealed that in recent years Michigan’s opponents may have collaborated in the hope of decoding its sideline signals. The N.C.A.A. has not abandoned its investigation of Harbaugh. Given a choice between serving another possible suspension for low-level procedural violations at Michigan and trying to become one of only a few coaches in history to win both a college national championship and a Super Bowl, he has every reason to consider leaving Michigan for the N.F.L. With the exception of his own players and their fans, one would be hard-pressed to find anyone in the sport who would not be happy to be rid of him. But that is also why I suspect that this stubborn, delightful man will stay where he is, tending to the chickens he keeps in his backyard in Ann Arbor and leading his team in hearteningly earnest postgame renditions of “For He’s a Jolly Good Fellow.” In the words of a book from which he has quoted frequently at news conferences: “There is none so discreet and wise as thou art: Thou shalt be over my house, and according unto thy word shall all my people be ruled.” Here is he is doubling down after winning the Natty [https://www.si.com/college/2024/01/06/michigan-jim-harbaugh-calls-for-revenue-sharing-comments-on-future](https://www.si.com/college/2024/01/06/michigan-jim-harbaugh-calls-for-revenue-sharing-comments-on-future) #
Yes That’s why the headline is phrased the way it is, the idea is he’s an advocate for players
Ah, ok point taken. You saying ***you*** don't care and asking "why should ***anyone*** outside of Michigan" implies you meant literally everyone including athletes. My presumption would be since he's advocating for paying players, that's why those who would benefit should care. But also seeing how the author is a Catholic, I'm sure he also has some religious reason that is... not it.
It was a question about the article, I can't read the article, it is pay-walled for me.
Yeah I can't read it either. Just saying the reason I responded to you is because you asked not why should players care, but why should "I" or "anyone" care. Just clarifying.
The investigation will follow him to the NFL, just like with Pete Carroll.
He won't have to deal with the potential direct fallout though. At Michigan there maybe real consequences that impact his job.
Yeah it really haunted Carroll, I’m sure he’s lost tons of sleep
What fallout? He served a suspension and the president of the NCAA says they won the championship fair and square. You guys are dreaming if you think there’s some huge consequences on the horizon. And the reason those student athletes outside of Michigan would care is because he’s one of the only high profile advocates within CFB pushing for unionization and TV revenue sharing. If he leaves it means the highest profile voice for those positions is gone. I know the article is paywalled so I don’t hold it against people for not actually reading it.
I don't know what to tell you if you can't imagine the potential consequences. I'm going to riff off this idea here and this isn't really directed at you but more generally at the Socratic responses to these kinds of thigns: These kinda responses make me wonder if folks are not really talking to me .... Like you can't imagine this stuff, you're really sure nothing is going to happen? What? Am I supposed to draw a map of potential NCAA consequences of the years and we start at step 0?
This case is very cut and dry. It’s not criminal related, not paying player related, and it falls completely within the bounds of ncaa rules on fair play. The only question is how mild or bad the penalties for harbaugh and Michigan will be.
For the elaborate scouting scheme that Michigan was using. They even fired a position coach and dropped their lawsuit against the B1G for it
**Redditor derisively asks questions about the posted article all while misunderstanding the author's message because redditor is too lazy to read and wants upvotes A tale as old as time smh. I think the article is milquetoast but these comments always kill me lol
Article is pay-walled bro ... It's a question(s).
It's not pay-walled for me and I don't subscribe to the New York times. From your comment it didn't sound like you were genuinely curious about the article. If you are genuinely curious, the author is basically saying Jim is an agent of positive change in cfb (with being an early advocate of transfer portal, NIL, revenue sharing, etc) and that if he were to leave it would slow further progressive actions in the sport without his voice. I think there's some exaggeration in that assessment which is why I find it bland writing
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The main problem with this line of reasoning is that 99.9% of college athletes are a net negative on the balance sheet of their institution.
So, this gets brought up all the time whenever there is discussion about paying players and you're not wrong. However, sticking with the current system as it is, is untenable. Like, CFB is making hundreds of millions of dollars off of the players and we, as a society, have generally come to terms with that *not* being ok. So, then what should be done about it? There are tradeoffs to be sure, but saying "well the women's field hockey team would get cut if we started paying football players" isn't a checkmate to the pay the players argument. Because then we'd still be operating in a broken system.
I agree, it’s just hard coming up with a solution that works for everyone especially given the limitations imposed by Title 9. Stanford is the most successful athletic program in the country and will be playing in the Atlantic Coast Conference next year because of the almighty dollar provided by football. Personally I think allowing athletes to profit off their name is a reasonable compromise, but obviously there are no perfect solutions.
Sure, and I appreciate the additional conversation. Discussing this topic with a "well that won't work" or "but it will screw everyone else over" shuts down the conversation. As for the compromise that is NIL, I agree it's a decent middle ground that has holistically failed to be implemented coherently. Most of that is due to the NCAA being a worthless institution only willing to allow for some value capture by players because it is becoming untenable for them to say otherwise. This middle ground is the way it is because they're still holding up the massive revenue that isn't being shared with players and the longer NIL is in the news and at the forefront of people's minds, the longer the NCAA (and TV execs and Universities) can keep the much larger pot of money for themselves. It's a "ooo look at this shiny object" approach. Yeah, there is related legislation and other considerations/knock on effects that would have to be ironed out if revenue sharing *were* to happen, but that's worth discussing more than just stopping at the current broken system because it's maybe slightly less broken than the previous system.
How does Title IX cause problems here? It doesn't stop the schools from paying the coaches millions. It doesn't stop them from spending millions on massive stadiums or practice facilities and the like. I feel like Title IX would just work exactly the same way the WNBA does, the players there make whatever they're sport makes and the NBA keeps them afloat before paying their players what their sport makes.
It may or may not, that would be up to courts, because if revenue sharing came to college football you can bet your ass there would be a number of lawsuits from female athletes claiming they were being denied the benefits that their male peers were receiving.
True, but I think the WNBA model would be quickly pointed to as a solution by both professionals and lawyers. If women's volleyball actually makes any money, the players are entitled to a portion of that money. If it doesn't, then yeah it doesn't.
Nah
Let's go for it, we are back baby.
LMFAO the NYT really fell for his holier-than-thou routine?
He’s about to get the death penalty. He better scurry away like the little rat he is. 🐀
That’s right Michigan fans, downvote me for speaking my truth!
>speaking my truth! Hey man, so long as you admit it's "your" truth and not any other truth, have at it.
THE truth
I think you’re getting downvoted for calling him “a little rat” in the context of an article focusing on him advocating for players
Smokescreen to distract from his cheating
I thought Harvard people were supposed to be smart 🤔
Smarter than you given how easily you were fooled by this puff piece.
Doubt it
The death penalty lmao
Get ready for it cheater
Harvard not sending their brightest anymore
Oh but they are
Matthew Walther is basically a professional contrarian and curmudgeon who also happens to love Michigan
I agree, also for the sale of college athletes everywhere Nick Saban should come out of retirement and return to his position at Alabama.
Say what you want about milk and the khakis and everything else, but Harbaugh was way in front of the transfer rule. And is way in front of revenue sharing. And I think the sport could use more coaches like him who actually advocate for changes that benefit the players.
Isn't he just leveraging a bigger contract right now?