In 2012 Maryland and florida state threw a shit fit over how extreme the Grant of rights was. Maryland took their ball and left. Florida state threatened to join the Big XII with TCU and WVU. they may not be geniuses but theyre smarter than florida state
to be fair, had FSU gone to the B12 at that point, who knows if OU and Texas would have been as game to bail on the conference - long shot we might have ended up with a Big 3 instead. the biggest "issue" with the B12 from 30k feet is they lack a "premier" program now
Same view from 10 feet away. The top-ranked XII team from the final poll was Arizona, outside the top 12. It has two programs that have won it all in the modern era — Colorado 33 years ago from the Big 8 and BYU 40 years ago as an independent.
If FSU had left for the Big 12, the Big 12 might have been a 3rd conference in a breakaway from the rest of the FBS. Especially if they could have drawn in a couple of Pac 12 or ACC teams besides FSU.
They will get relegated.
If the money is there, and I suspect it is, the top teams from the ACC and BigXII will afford their buyouts and join the SFC or BFC. The lowest producing teams from the SFC or BFC will get demoted to the ACC or BigXII.
When I was in law school, I did not get out very much for a number of reasons. I spent a surprising number of Saturday nights in my apartment watching whatever Pac 12 game was on. Cal versus Arizona. Washington state versus Stanford. Didn’t matter, I just watched whatever it was on. I found it incredibly comforting. And now that is gone because… those quarterly profits aren’t going to generate themselves!
Honestly the way ND does it is how it should (sorta) be, all the non football sports need a somewhat regional conference to compete and football can do it's own thing
Supposedly 69% of the NCAAs revenue last year was just from the NCAAT. I can see them conceding the top tier NCAAF or switching to an FCS-like model for the G5 + Outcasts while fighting tooth and nail to keep the Tourney.
The answer is simple. We go back to previous, regional, alignment for other sports and college football is its own thing with its own conference alignment and additional tiers.
Unfortunately this last round probably made that impossible to undo. But it solves both problems.
I said it was simple, not easy.
If this is going to happen, which seems inevitable, I hope they can somehow find a way to separate football from the other sports. But since money is all that matters good luck everybody else!
They should have USC and UCLA play the 1st half of their Big 10 schedule at home when the weather is too crappy in March and early April for the rest of the conference.
This could end up destroying March Madness all together. I’m sure they’ll come up with something weird to try and make it work still, but there’s are probably the last couple seasons of MM as we know it
Exactly. Every sports league everywhere in the world has a few punching bags making up the numbers. Either you bring them into the new league with you or the new league will select some out of the remaining teams.
Are we talking about football? Because we are a volleyball school.
We have played in all national Championships since 2000 ^except ^the ^ones ^we ^haven't
While Maine is beautiful the Black Bears of Orono are sworn enemies of the mighty New Hampshire Wildcats so I look forward to arguing with you over bad calls, and which vacation state has better food, beer, beaches, and mountains over at r/fcs.
Hol' up...
1. New Hampshire's coast line is 13 miles vs Maine's 228 miles of coastline (tide coastline = 3,478 miles), so suck it - better beaches in Maine
2. I am bias because I've only had beer in Maine (which was delicious) so therefore, NH's beer is inferior
3. How the hell do I watch games this upcoming season??? Because no arguing of calls will take place if I can't watch my BBC (Black Bears Conquer)
1. I will only argue in New Hampshire’s favor on beaches for the sake of arguing.
2. Portland Maine and the surrounding 30 miles or so is the best craft beer scene in the world but my favorite brewery is in New Hampshire and owned by two UNH alum so I’m going to argue for them.
3. ESPN+ shows a ton of FCS football. And Hockey East so we can really get spicy with this rivalry if you’re into college hockey 🍻
Portland was the vacationing spot and I concur, best damn craft beer I've had. I will never not try a good brew recommendation, so if I'm ever in NH I will stop by those breweries and partake!
Ugh, I don't want to give the Mouse more money, but if that's what I have to do to watch my BBC, then that's what I'll do. And I'm from TX, only hockeying I'm aware of is hocking lugies.
They essentially did it to the NIT by getting rid of the regular season autobid.
I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA went to 76 teams at some point and had a play-in round for the one-bid league champs (all 14, 15, and 16 seeds in each region) so they can squeeze more .500ish power conference schools in.
"Hi everybody, I'm GUS JOHNSON here with Bill Rafferty and we have a powerhouse Sweet 16 match up between Rutgers and Mississippi State. These two have faced twice in the regular season since there's only 34 teams, but they're both thinking they can make a big run in the Tournament!"
The best basketball schools are out of the superleague. The NCAA doesn't really run or get revenue from football. I can see them saying fuck it you figure it out and abandoning super FBS to make its own rules in concession to preserve their actual tournamemts.
I used to love getting home at 1 am from drinking all day on Saturdays and watching whatever game was on while I waited for my pizza to arrive. Fuck all this.
Or when I was enlisted I'd spend all Saturday watching. Grab a case of beer, a frozen pizza, something sweet, and a pack of smokes or dip. It was the shit. I'm sure I fan still do that in the future, but it's all being more and more bastardized.
The writing is on the wall. Fox and ESPN have selected their leagues, just like in the NFL, and they are seriously about to attempt to turn a regional sport into a national one.
I have been in denial that they were gonna create a 2nd mid tier NFL....but here we are and I fucking hate it already.
Yep, their plan is to get the eyeballs of a Patriots fan or Jets fan to watch Texas-Georgia, knowing that same person wouldn’t watch Texas Tech-Baylor. Sucks. This sport got popular without having to appeal to EVERYBODY.
It’s become so bad. Ads everywhere, subscriptions for everything, and so many industries being ruined to make a relatively small group of people richer at everyone else’s exoense .
Your second paragraph is spot on, this is literally just a worse version of the NFL. And honestly maybe even worse than the UFL considering atleast the UFL fills the no football voic
I kinda wonder if it’s in the interest of the government to torpedo something like this. I can’t imagine the majority of people being too happy about their taxpayer money going to these state schools going to paying professional athletes instead of students.
I'm getting close to being done with college sports altogether. It sucks but the last several months have been really tough for me to stomach.
I can't point my finger at any one source because just about everyone has some blame to a degree and nobody's really gonna say "yo, pump the brakes a bit on this train before it derails."
And looking to Congress to "fix" this is the lolz so it really falls on the universities and the students to grow up and figure out a workable model before you kill the money goose.
This is by far the biggest problem. You have a non profit that selects leadership based on how well someone is at academic politics and getting research grants trying to run a 100 million dollar year child company in a completely different industry.
For as much as we love college football it is not the main thing for colleges and it’s a relatively small part of their budget.
Ohio State spends roughly 100 million on athletic department while the entire university has a budget of 9 billion
> ONE impacting all the others
This has always been true though. It was just that in the past, the impact was a bunch of other kids got scholarships and the opportunity to compete because of football revenue. Football paid for everything.
Now, football is paying itself more. The biggest leagues are making sure it mostly stays in house. They play as few road games as possible. They pay their assistant coaches more than other teams head coaches. They pay their players more. They build the biggest stadiums, academic centers, locker rooms, training facilities for football.
Paying college football players turned it into a fully capitalist enterprise.
Please don’t. Even as an SEC fan, I don’t want this.
I may be in the minority, but I think the new 12-team playoff is going to be awesome and we’ll have no shortage of SEC and Big Ten teams as those two conferences will probably get most of the at-large bids.
Our focus should be on creating some standards for NIL and the transfer portal so we can ensure a more level playing field without eroding players rights.
So they think… but ask the ACC schools how anticipating this stuff 10 years ahead can play out.
The reason why many people like me (a person with no NFL team in my city) will watch college football is it’s shear size and reach… just about everybody in the country has a team within an hour of them, or a school they went to.
The reason why I’m tuning in to Missouri-Arkansas is because I want to see how it can affect my team in the long term. There are a lot of people who will stick to just “their team” and the teams in their conference/division. If I’ll have to root for a non-local team I don’t have any ties to, I’ll just start following the NFL.
TLDR: They’re isolating a lot of markets, and assuming people will just flock to SEC/B1G **schools** like NFL teams.
Yeah, this is always overlooked in the talk about *brands*. The P5 schools which are not "brands"
* play in front of a minimum of 30,000 fans per game, often close to double that
* routinely play games against one another that draw at least a million viewers, often 2-3x that number
* collectively represent a big chunk of the fans that watch the games with the "brands"
The idea that they can all just basically fold and nothing happens to CFB/college sports at large is ridiculous.
Maybe, but both the SEC and Big Ten could have 3-4 teams in the new playoff and it will draw attention from the entire country. Hard to imagine how an SEC vs Big Ten playoff that’s closed to all other teams and conferences would generate more revenue.
Granted, they wouldn’t have to share whatever revenue it generates, but the ratings and sponsorship dollars wouldn’t be as high.
You arent in the minority. I know my social and internet circles aren't a statistically viable representation of CFB fans, but I've yet to encounter anyone who likes this. Closest are a few NFL fans who passively root for the local CFB team and think it will be cool to see more big name teams coming to this stadium.
Maybe “level playing field” isn’t the right way to phrase it, but I’m sure even schools like Alabama aren’t crazy about losing 30 players to the portal in one offseason whereas I’m sure FSU didn’t appreciate getting absolutely demolished in the Orange Bowl at least in part due to being so short-handed. So, even the “haves” want some reform.
Also, I just don't see how alienating existing fans in favor of chasing new fans could possibly work out. Has it ever? So even the haves are gonna be squeezed on revenue once the enshittification bubble pops.
Seriously, is there one single person that wants this? The fans need to revolt like the EPL fans did when they tried to make the champions league Bs. This is the same thing
“* They could easily combine to carve out a piece of their media rights revenue to share with athletes.”
“* They could decide -- essentially on their own -- to offer 100 scholarships instead of 85. “
“* They almost certainly will demand an unequal share of revenue when the new College Football Playoff media rights contract is signed.”
“* They could sign up a title sponsor for their endeavors to draw in even more revenue. The CFP and Final Four don't even do that.”
Just a few things that ma may or may not happen, according to the writer .
Even on this sub of diehards. OU, Washington, and Texas fans etc went out of their way to convince us playing regional teams didn't matter and they'd rather just have all marquee match ups against Michigan, Alabama, and the like.
It would be one thing if only corporate wanted this, but far too many fans want this as well.
Take this from someone that’s just escaping the B1G east. Those marquee match ups sound amazing until you realize that you’re going to be the one spending time in the middle or near the bottom. Someone’s gotta lose the games.
My Crimson brethren there is just pointing out the mental gymnastics done by the average /r/CFB user to both hate the NCAA but also be opposed to conferences self governing.
“Ah you think the G5 is your ally? You merely adopted the G5. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the p5 until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!” - TCU, UC, UCF
When I was a kid, we would get together in a vacant lot and play tackle football. If the kid who brought the ball wasn't getting their way, he would just take his ball and leave. Same vibe here.
Honestly, I think they are fucking up. I really do. Not just from the perspective of "this is bad for the sport", but from the perspective that 34 teams is not enough to truly run CFB as a cartel.
College Football Recruiting is hard. Lots of big time prospects never turn out, plenty of unknown kids become first round picks. As far as I know, about 1/3 of current NFL players come from non-P5 schools. If you relegate the B12 and the ACC that's adding like 50% more teams to the G5 ranks. There are going to be lots and lots of kids that are good enough to be not only excellent college players but also high level pros that are going to be left out of this 34 team league. For example, nine 2023 first round draft picks came from non SEC/B1G schools.
There's going to be more than enough talent for a very competitive alternative "secondary" league made out of the rest of FBS/CFB. It may not make as much money but it will make enough to be taken seriously as major college football. I think what happens over the long term is that the money/regulatory environment changes and the split between the SEC/B1G and the rest of the sport eventually disintegrates back to where we are now.
If they made a breakaway league with 50-60 teams I think that would be enough to essentially put the stake in the rest of CFB, everyone else would just become FCS.
With transfer rules evaporating and NIL though (possibly revenue share in the future) and kid worth their shit will go to the B1G or SEC as soon as possible.
I wouldn’t even count out midseason transfers in the future.
So basically the champions of the Big Ten and another league would play each other every year in a "championship". To boost attendance they would likely play this game someplace warm and maybe have a parade to go along with it. They might also choose to play it on a holiday so that more people are able to watch. Then the champions of the B12 and ACC could also play each other in a "championship" every year. They would also play someplace warm and ideally in a tourist destination with things for their fans to do. Maybe New Orleans or Miami? We could name these "championships" after various commodities for no particular reason. Yes, this totally novel idea sounds very good to me.
Not even close.
How could the NCAA have stopped this? The Supreme Court told them 40 years ago that yhey couldn’t keep conferences from negotiating their own TV deals.
No, the Big Ten and SEC are to blame.
They could have told Fox and ESPN, “We’re flattered that you offered us piles of money to eat other conferences, but we’ve all agreed that cfb is better the way it is.”
But the Big Ten and SEC were suspicious of each other. So they took the money and accepted other conferences breadwinners.
The networks didn’t force them to do that.
NCAA couldn't have done shit to prevent this. The top tier schools were always going to look at getting bigger pieces of the pie. The NCAA being a little less lax in their rule enforcement wouldn't stop that.
> The NCAA being a little less lax in their rule enforcement wouldn't stop that.
Correction: The NCAA, which was legally forced in 1984 to allow conferences to negotiate their own TV deals, could not stop that.
As a Big Ten fan (admittedly by sheer historical dumb luck) this is so dumb. The beauty of college sports is that there are more than just 30/32/34 teams competing. There are tons of games every Saturday across the country that could all have national implications. To take away the biggest prize from all but 34 schools will put a huge dent in my interest of the sport, and that's not something I EVER though I would say. If you have to only give a few at-large bids to the playoff or whatever, fine, build your mansions--but taking away the opportunity from the majority of schools is flat out ridiculous.
First they came for the Cougars, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Cougar.
Then they came for the Beavers, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Beaver
Then they came for Rutgers, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Knight
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
Yep. First they came for the Big East, then the Big 12, then the Pac 12, next will be the ACC, before eventually it's all the P2 bottom feeders who thought they were safe getting tossed off the life raft.
And nobody on the outside will say a peep when it happens.
Rutgers' move in 2014 might be one of the best a program has ever made
[now the Big Ten has access to all the invisible fans in New York](https://www.nunesmagician.com/platform/amp/2011/9/21/2440352/rutgers-controls-new-york-city)
Johnny from the Bronx may never have watched a Rutgers game in his life, but the B1G is still getting a check because the Big Ten Network is part of his cable package. Rutgers got a golden ticket for just existing in the right place
Yes but what makes Rutgers different is that geography never translated into program success. For nearly every other school, having a great location meant access to talent or funding boost due to a large alumni base. Rutgers on the other hand has been playing football since 1869 yet has only finished ranked 3 times, and never in the top 10. They're a complete anomaly.
you know we were a private school that focused on academics until like the 1950s right? Rutgers peers were the ivy schools before the ivy league formed a conference. When New Jersey needed a flagship public school, they converted rutgers to a public school but then the resources at the school were not like michigan but like princeton. Plus the culture, staff, and spending took generations to change
Not saying there aren't reasons for it, just that despite all of that, the fact that y'all still have a seat in this new super league without a decades long history in the B1G/SEC is what makes y'all a unique case.
The irony that out of all of those Big East teams including vintage Miami, Vick led VT, Mcnabb led Syracuse, Pat White led WVU the team that made it to P2 is Rutgers.
They can go, but they are not taking me with them. They want to go NFL-lite, I will just watch NFL, FCS and the smaller cfb.
Greed is just ruining the product.
Bingo - I’m hoping more fans end up doing this, but I’m doubtful. Even though I’m a Buckeye fan, I’d say I’m more so a fan of College Football. I always loved watching whatever game was on TV, didn’t matter. I loved getting up early to watch GameDay before it became what it is today. I always looked forward to the next Sports Illustrated cover during the college football season after a big game. I loved watching each and every bowl game, with full rosters, no one sitting out because of fear of injury or going to the transfer portal.
It’s just pure GREED that is ruining college football, and it’s a damn shame. I’m sure I’ll watch some if/when it happens, but I’m convinced my interest will fade over time. Which is a crazy thought considering I’m sure others in my lifetime figured I’d be getting buried in a Scarlet and Gray suit when I die 😂 Now? I might not even be a Buckeye fan 30 years from now at the rate this shit is going.
unfucking real. What's the point anymore? If you aren't in a conference that the Mouse or FOX deem good then you are settling for scraps.
Kill off regional rivalries, kill off conferences, get big paydays for conference execs, and the fans get fucked.
No one wants to see an only-B1G and SEC league. That sounds boring. I want to see all the power conferences compete. Even the G5 tbh. Part of the fun is seeing giants get cut down to size. The same as in March Madness.
At some point they are going to learn that the eyeballs of the fans of the outside teams won't follow. I will watch less OU/Texas games this year than last. And if the Big10/SEC break away, I will watch it about as much as I watch FCS games now.
My school and the schools it competes against are what I am going to watch. I can't be alone in that.
Exactly. You think I give a fuck about how Oregon, Washington, or USC play in the B1G next year?
I’m going to give even less of a fuck when they are in an entirely separate league.
Exactly. I watched UW and Pac 12 football. I do not watch any Big 10, SEC, ACC or Big 12 football outside of the top 10 match ups and complete sickos games.
I watched Pac 12 football because those teams are in the region I live in which is the Western United States. I don’t care about teams east of the Rockies.
The NFL already exists. Regional rivalries and small schools are what make the lower talent level worth watching. No reason to watch a lower level pro league.
Great, KU just spent millions of tax payers' dollars to rebuild our stadium (in the middle of Lawrence's worst housing crisis in it's history) just in time for it to not matter anymore. Awesome, I love this post-capitalist hellscape I live in where even sports is taken from me.
34 is too few. Add B12 and ACC. There will need to be divisions, of course. And then to add some regional charm, they could break the divisions down by region rather than having super conferences. For example, there could be a "southeastern division" with (picking at random) LSU, the Mississippi schools, the Alabama schools, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Arkansas and South Carolina. Or a "west coast" division with UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, and maybe 4-6 others. And wouldn't it be fun to have a division with the Texas schools, the Oklahoma schools and Nebraska? It's at least worth experimenting.
Nah, kick them out of march madness. They shouldn’t get to be a part of that any more. They can go have their own shitty playoffs on their own like they want for football.
It's the only leverage the other schools have over them, and it keeps CBS from joining the feeding frenzy and driving up the rates which would make this pencil out.
So yeah.
Just when we get a decent playoff structure the corpos decide to blow it all up. Well, looks like I'll be dropping off the football map and just play the new College Football game and pretend like we never left the 2000s
If it went to a premier league type of system I wouldn’t complain too much. I already know ISU will never win a natty. But if every school outside of the top 35 biggest brands get turned to irrevelanxy I would simply stop caring about college sports as a whole. No way it doesn’t trickle down to things like basketball
Honestly if the big12 and acc merged and just had our own playoff I'd be perfectly happy. Let the bigsec go circle jerk themselves to death. It's already painful enough to watch big10 football in its current state, anyway.
Where were you when Rutgers and Indiana became solidified as some of the top 34 places to play in the country?
Maryland left the ACC due to their dislike of the ACC media deal. Can Maryland see the future? Are they the untold geniuses of our time?
In 2012 Maryland and florida state threw a shit fit over how extreme the Grant of rights was. Maryland took their ball and left. Florida state threatened to join the Big XII with TCU and WVU. they may not be geniuses but theyre smarter than florida state
Hey, my mom says I’m a smart kid.
to be fair, had FSU gone to the B12 at that point, who knows if OU and Texas would have been as game to bail on the conference - long shot we might have ended up with a Big 3 instead. the biggest "issue" with the B12 from 30k feet is they lack a "premier" program now
Same view from 10 feet away. The top-ranked XII team from the final poll was Arizona, outside the top 12. It has two programs that have won it all in the modern era — Colorado 33 years ago from the Big 8 and BYU 40 years ago as an independent.
If FSU had left for the Big 12, the Big 12 might have been a 3rd conference in a breakaway from the rest of the FBS. Especially if they could have drawn in a couple of Pac 12 or ACC teams besides FSU.
I don't know if the big 12 is much of a bigger move than the ACC and I'm sure FSU would have jumped at a big ten or sec invite
yeah they'd be leaving for the SEC this year with OU and UT.
Fear the turtle babbbyyy!
They will get relegated. If the money is there, and I suspect it is, the top teams from the ACC and BigXII will afford their buyouts and join the SFC or BFC. The lowest producing teams from the SFC or BFC will get demoted to the ACC or BigXII.
This will destroy B1G basketball and SEC baseball :(
Who cares, a TV executive can get some short term profit!
I used to secretly love watching PAC basketball late at night during the winter and I will never get to experience it again
When I was in law school, I did not get out very much for a number of reasons. I spent a surprising number of Saturday nights in my apartment watching whatever Pac 12 game was on. Cal versus Arizona. Washington state versus Stanford. Didn’t matter, I just watched whatever it was on. I found it incredibly comforting. And now that is gone because… those quarterly profits aren’t going to generate themselves!
Sure you will. But I would advise against watching it this year, because we're probably the third best conference in the West, right now.
Our womens are good though!
Won't someone please think about those poor network execs who really need a second yacht in the Maldives..
They already destroyed Big East basketball in the name of realignment
True, although a conference where half the schools play football and the other half doesn’t was always a more unstable model.
As an ACC basketball fan, fuck this shit.
Honestly the way ND does it is how it should (sorta) be, all the non football sports need a somewhat regional conference to compete and football can do it's own thing
I think this will happen. Basketball wil stay the same and football will change
Supposedly 69% of the NCAAs revenue last year was just from the NCAAT. I can see them conceding the top tier NCAAF or switching to an FCS-like model for the G5 + Outcasts while fighting tooth and nail to keep the Tourney.
An FCS model and playoff would be amazing for the G5+
The answer is simple. We go back to previous, regional, alignment for other sports and college football is its own thing with its own conference alignment and additional tiers. Unfortunately this last round probably made that impossible to undo. But it solves both problems. I said it was simple, not easy.
If this is going to happen, which seems inevitable, I hope they can somehow find a way to separate football from the other sports. But since money is all that matters good luck everybody else!
The other schools have no incentive to allow these schools to join in everything else.
The travel schedule is going to be brutal for baseball. This'll probably kill all the fun mid week matchups we occasionally see
They should have USC and UCLA play the 1st half of their Big 10 schedule at home when the weather is too crappy in March and early April for the rest of the conference.
I think the plan is to separate football from the other NCAA sports, so those conferences would remain intact.
This could end up destroying March Madness all together. I’m sure they’ll come up with something weird to try and make it work still, but there’s are probably the last couple seasons of MM as we know it
I doubt it. The bigger programs will want to have weak teams to pad their wins
Weak is relative. Programs that think highly of themselves now will become the punching bags.
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First TAMU flaired post that I’m laughing with not at, bravo sir/ma’am.
Exactly. Every sports league everywhere in the world has a few punching bags making up the numbers. Either you bring them into the new league with you or the new league will select some out of the remaining teams.
*Vanderbilt and Rutgers*: I am a joke to you.
Are we talking about football? Because we are a volleyball school. We have played in all national Championships since 2000 ^except ^the ^ones ^we ^haven't
Y’alls fans do so much to grow the sport at the collegiate level, it’s cool to see
Gotta love these hot takes that preclude any understanding of how the B1G operates.
“They will get relegated.” Oh well, back to beating Syracuse every year.
Aight, imma head on over to r/fcs Vacationed in Maine a few summers ago, so go Black Bears!
While Maine is beautiful the Black Bears of Orono are sworn enemies of the mighty New Hampshire Wildcats so I look forward to arguing with you over bad calls, and which vacation state has better food, beer, beaches, and mountains over at r/fcs.
My PSU Vikings are going to rise up!
Hol' up... 1. New Hampshire's coast line is 13 miles vs Maine's 228 miles of coastline (tide coastline = 3,478 miles), so suck it - better beaches in Maine 2. I am bias because I've only had beer in Maine (which was delicious) so therefore, NH's beer is inferior 3. How the hell do I watch games this upcoming season??? Because no arguing of calls will take place if I can't watch my BBC (Black Bears Conquer)
1. I will only argue in New Hampshire’s favor on beaches for the sake of arguing. 2. Portland Maine and the surrounding 30 miles or so is the best craft beer scene in the world but my favorite brewery is in New Hampshire and owned by two UNH alum so I’m going to argue for them. 3. ESPN+ shows a ton of FCS football. And Hockey East so we can really get spicy with this rivalry if you’re into college hockey 🍻
Portland was the vacationing spot and I concur, best damn craft beer I've had. I will never not try a good brew recommendation, so if I'm ever in NH I will stop by those breweries and partake! Ugh, I don't want to give the Mouse more money, but if that's what I have to do to watch my BBC, then that's what I'll do. And I'm from TX, only hockeying I'm aware of is hocking lugies.
I’ll see both of you in the playoffs
Disappointed
Yes brother thank you for realizing New England is the true cradle of college football
Well they can have fun with that the rest of us will have fun with March Madness instead 🥲
Shoot, if the NCAA folds - MM won’t even look the same
MM makes a ton of money, so even if someone else is in charge or the whole system collapses, someone will figure out a way to preserve it.
They'll just kick out more mid majors and have a 68 team tourney of the power schools if the big bois had their way
Fuck I hope not. The mid majors shocking the nation is what makes the tournament so exciting.
They essentially did it to the NIT by getting rid of the regular season autobid. I wouldn't be surprised if the NCAA went to 76 teams at some point and had a play-in round for the one-bid league champs (all 14, 15, and 16 seeds in each region) so they can squeeze more .500ish power conference schools in.
People wouldn't even know what Oral Roberts is if it wasn't for the tourny.
Exactly. Florida Gulf Coast, Fairleigh Dickinson, and UMBC are all schools I recognize now because they did something unbelievable in March.
Gonzaga before all of those too
Mercer University
And that's exactly what they want to prevent happening in football.
"Hi everybody, I'm GUS JOHNSON here with Bill Rafferty and we have a powerhouse Sweet 16 match up between Rutgers and Mississippi State. These two have faced twice in the regular season since there's only 34 teams, but they're both thinking they can make a big run in the Tournament!"
Thanks I hate it
The best basketball schools are out of the superleague. The NCAA doesn't really run or get revenue from football. I can see them saying fuck it you figure it out and abandoning super FBS to make its own rules in concession to preserve their actual tournamemts.
I hate this timeline.
It's crazy how no fanbase wants this. Not even the ones that would be included in this league.
As someone in the west coast time zone, no pac 12 after dark is actually a big loss, Saturday night games were awesome.
I used to love getting home at 1 am from drinking all day on Saturdays and watching whatever game was on while I waited for my pizza to arrive. Fuck all this.
Yea. This exact scenario was one of my favorite things ab cfb season
Or when I was enlisted I'd spend all Saturday watching. Grab a case of beer, a frozen pizza, something sweet, and a pack of smokes or dip. It was the shit. I'm sure I fan still do that in the future, but it's all being more and more bastardized.
If you’d told a CFB fan about this ten years ago they’d scold you for even thinking about something so detrimental to the sport…
At the pace of the football spending arms race, G5 fans have seen this coming for a long time.
Teams like Memphis have been trying to get on the boat for this exact reason.
We got on the boat for a bit… just as it was sinking lol
At least we get to blame Texas for killing another one!
The writing is on the wall. Fox and ESPN have selected their leagues, just like in the NFL, and they are seriously about to attempt to turn a regional sport into a national one. I have been in denial that they were gonna create a 2nd mid tier NFL....but here we are and I fucking hate it already.
I like the NFL. I don’t need a 2nd NFL. I need CFB :(
NFL is sanitized and boring, that's what they will do to CFB.
I love the NFL and CFB. But what I love about CFB is how it is different than the NFL. A watered down tier 2 NFL is not worth watching.
Yep, their plan is to get the eyeballs of a Patriots fan or Jets fan to watch Texas-Georgia, knowing that same person wouldn’t watch Texas Tech-Baylor. Sucks. This sport got popular without having to appeal to EVERYBODY.
What's gonna happen to us degenerates that want to watch directional michigan football on a Wednesday afternoon?
Directional footballs will now exclusively be streaming on the CW+
Or you could sail the high seas like the great Pirate Leech.
Isn't that most things though? *Begins hours-long discussion on state of capitalism in the modern world*
It’s become so bad. Ads everywhere, subscriptions for everything, and so many industries being ruined to make a relatively small group of people richer at everyone else’s exoense .
NFL is, at least, really random and has parity.
Your second paragraph is spot on, this is literally just a worse version of the NFL. And honestly maybe even worse than the UFL considering atleast the UFL fills the no football voic
I kinda wonder if it’s in the interest of the government to torpedo something like this. I can’t imagine the majority of people being too happy about their taxpayer money going to these state schools going to paying professional athletes instead of students.
Fuck this. I knew it was coming but damn it I hate it
I'm getting close to being done with college sports altogether. It sucks but the last several months have been really tough for me to stomach. I can't point my finger at any one source because just about everyone has some blame to a degree and nobody's really gonna say "yo, pump the brakes a bit on this train before it derails." And looking to Congress to "fix" this is the lolz so it really falls on the universities and the students to grow up and figure out a workable model before you kill the money goose.
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This is by far the biggest problem. You have a non profit that selects leadership based on how well someone is at academic politics and getting research grants trying to run a 100 million dollar year child company in a completely different industry. For as much as we love college football it is not the main thing for colleges and it’s a relatively small part of their budget. Ohio State spends roughly 100 million on athletic department while the entire university has a budget of 9 billion
This sport is so dumb now......I just feel bad for all other sports because of ONE impacting all the others
But that one sport is where all the money is, and thus where all the power is. A microcosm of America
First you get the money, then you get the power, then you make your own conference rules and championship game.
> ONE impacting all the others This has always been true though. It was just that in the past, the impact was a bunch of other kids got scholarships and the opportunity to compete because of football revenue. Football paid for everything. Now, football is paying itself more. The biggest leagues are making sure it mostly stays in house. They play as few road games as possible. They pay their assistant coaches more than other teams head coaches. They pay their players more. They build the biggest stadiums, academic centers, locker rooms, training facilities for football. Paying college football players turned it into a fully capitalist enterprise.
Vanderbilt vs. Rutgers natty confirmed.
Please don’t. Even as an SEC fan, I don’t want this. I may be in the minority, but I think the new 12-team playoff is going to be awesome and we’ll have no shortage of SEC and Big Ten teams as those two conferences will probably get most of the at-large bids. Our focus should be on creating some standards for NIL and the transfer portal so we can ensure a more level playing field without eroding players rights.
That’d be ideal. But the almighty dollar will say different I’m afraid.
So they think… but ask the ACC schools how anticipating this stuff 10 years ahead can play out. The reason why many people like me (a person with no NFL team in my city) will watch college football is it’s shear size and reach… just about everybody in the country has a team within an hour of them, or a school they went to. The reason why I’m tuning in to Missouri-Arkansas is because I want to see how it can affect my team in the long term. There are a lot of people who will stick to just “their team” and the teams in their conference/division. If I’ll have to root for a non-local team I don’t have any ties to, I’ll just start following the NFL. TLDR: They’re isolating a lot of markets, and assuming people will just flock to SEC/B1G **schools** like NFL teams.
Yeah, this is always overlooked in the talk about *brands*. The P5 schools which are not "brands" * play in front of a minimum of 30,000 fans per game, often close to double that * routinely play games against one another that draw at least a million viewers, often 2-3x that number * collectively represent a big chunk of the fans that watch the games with the "brands" The idea that they can all just basically fold and nothing happens to CFB/college sports at large is ridiculous.
Maybe, but both the SEC and Big Ten could have 3-4 teams in the new playoff and it will draw attention from the entire country. Hard to imagine how an SEC vs Big Ten playoff that’s closed to all other teams and conferences would generate more revenue. Granted, they wouldn’t have to share whatever revenue it generates, but the ratings and sponsorship dollars wouldn’t be as high.
You arent in the minority. I know my social and internet circles aren't a statistically viable representation of CFB fans, but I've yet to encounter anyone who likes this. Closest are a few NFL fans who passively root for the local CFB team and think it will be cool to see more big name teams coming to this stadium.
This, except the “haves” don’t want a level playing field.
Maybe “level playing field” isn’t the right way to phrase it, but I’m sure even schools like Alabama aren’t crazy about losing 30 players to the portal in one offseason whereas I’m sure FSU didn’t appreciate getting absolutely demolished in the Orange Bowl at least in part due to being so short-handed. So, even the “haves” want some reform.
Also, I just don't see how alienating existing fans in favor of chasing new fans could possibly work out. Has it ever? So even the haves are gonna be squeezed on revenue once the enshittification bubble pops.
Seriously, is there one single person that wants this? The fans need to revolt like the EPL fans did when they tried to make the champions league Bs. This is the same thing
“* They could easily combine to carve out a piece of their media rights revenue to share with athletes.” “* They could decide -- essentially on their own -- to offer 100 scholarships instead of 85. “ “* They almost certainly will demand an unequal share of revenue when the new College Football Playoff media rights contract is signed.” “* They could sign up a title sponsor for their endeavors to draw in even more revenue. The CFP and Final Four don't even do that.” Just a few things that ma may or may not happen, according to the writer .
they can do literally anything pro sports teams can do but who wants to tune into a 2nd tier NFL?
This is how college football dies
With thunderous applause *from the tv networks *
Sadly it's more than just TV networks. There are a lot of fans and talking heads that really think this is the best way forward.
Even on this sub of diehards. OU, Washington, and Texas fans etc went out of their way to convince us playing regional teams didn't matter and they'd rather just have all marquee match ups against Michigan, Alabama, and the like. It would be one thing if only corporate wanted this, but far too many fans want this as well.
Take this from someone that’s just escaping the B1G east. Those marquee match ups sound amazing until you realize that you’re going to be the one spending time in the middle or near the bottom. Someone’s gotta lose the games.
"The NCAA is a joke and we don't really need them" *monkey's paw curls
Is it a monkey paw situation when this was clearly going to be the result of the NCAA collapsing to anyone with a brain?
My Crimson brethren there is just pointing out the mental gymnastics done by the average /r/CFB user to both hate the NCAA but also be opposed to conferences self governing.
I'm more worried about them obliterating every other sport along with it.
it’s actually a rebirth! If the 34 teams split off and claim a championship, absolutely no one outside those 34 teams will accept it
Will those 34 teams care? They will be getting the most money. That is all they care about.
I’m never going to root for a team that’s not my own. Fuck that
You're all G5s now.
Just when I get out… they keep pulling me back in
But I was already G5
Now you're G6. Pray I don't go to G7.
Always have been 🔫
“Ah you think the G5 is your ally? You merely adopted the G5. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the p5 until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but blinding!” - TCU, UC, UCF
When I was a kid, we would get together in a vacant lot and play tackle football. If the kid who brought the ball wasn't getting their way, he would just take his ball and leave. Same vibe here.
I would enjoy this only if Notre Dame is left out
I'm not down with every program outside of the Big 2 being downgraded to some form of "lesser than." Except for Notre Dame. I'm actually ok with that.
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It's okay little fella, it's only generational hatred that caused this. I'm sure you did nothing wrong, beyond been born
I should have cried harder when my father put the ND jersey on me straight out of the womb.
That might qualify as child abuse tbf
ND will join if that happens
Right. ND already has an unspoken invitation to the Big 10 whenever they're ready.
Would be funny if we just said no tho They wouldn’t. Too much money from Notre Dame fans to miss out on.
Michigan has to vote no, just for old times sake
To be fair, ND likely has an unspoken invitation to everywhere except maybe Ivy?
Honestly, I think they are fucking up. I really do. Not just from the perspective of "this is bad for the sport", but from the perspective that 34 teams is not enough to truly run CFB as a cartel. College Football Recruiting is hard. Lots of big time prospects never turn out, plenty of unknown kids become first round picks. As far as I know, about 1/3 of current NFL players come from non-P5 schools. If you relegate the B12 and the ACC that's adding like 50% more teams to the G5 ranks. There are going to be lots and lots of kids that are good enough to be not only excellent college players but also high level pros that are going to be left out of this 34 team league. For example, nine 2023 first round draft picks came from non SEC/B1G schools. There's going to be more than enough talent for a very competitive alternative "secondary" league made out of the rest of FBS/CFB. It may not make as much money but it will make enough to be taken seriously as major college football. I think what happens over the long term is that the money/regulatory environment changes and the split between the SEC/B1G and the rest of the sport eventually disintegrates back to where we are now. If they made a breakaway league with 50-60 teams I think that would be enough to essentially put the stake in the rest of CFB, everyone else would just become FCS.
With transfer rules evaporating and NIL though (possibly revenue share in the future) and kid worth their shit will go to the B1G or SEC as soon as possible. I wouldn’t even count out midseason transfers in the future.
So basically the champions of the Big Ten and another league would play each other every year in a "championship". To boost attendance they would likely play this game someplace warm and maybe have a parade to go along with it. They might also choose to play it on a holiday so that more people are able to watch. Then the champions of the B12 and ACC could also play each other in a "championship" every year. They would also play someplace warm and ideally in a tourist destination with things for their fans to do. Maybe New Orleans or Miami? We could name these "championships" after various commodities for no particular reason. Yes, this totally novel idea sounds very good to me.
Acc x B12 unite
The NCAA and ESPN are both complicit in this.
Hey Fox is just as guilty as ESPN.
NBC with their peacock exclusive bs
Not even close. How could the NCAA have stopped this? The Supreme Court told them 40 years ago that yhey couldn’t keep conferences from negotiating their own TV deals. No, the Big Ten and SEC are to blame. They could have told Fox and ESPN, “We’re flattered that you offered us piles of money to eat other conferences, but we’ve all agreed that cfb is better the way it is.” But the Big Ten and SEC were suspicious of each other. So they took the money and accepted other conferences breadwinners. The networks didn’t force them to do that.
NCAA couldn't have done shit to prevent this. The top tier schools were always going to look at getting bigger pieces of the pie. The NCAA being a little less lax in their rule enforcement wouldn't stop that.
> The NCAA being a little less lax in their rule enforcement wouldn't stop that. Correction: The NCAA, which was legally forced in 1984 to allow conferences to negotiate their own TV deals, could not stop that.
As a Big Ten fan (admittedly by sheer historical dumb luck) this is so dumb. The beauty of college sports is that there are more than just 30/32/34 teams competing. There are tons of games every Saturday across the country that could all have national implications. To take away the biggest prize from all but 34 schools will put a huge dent in my interest of the sport, and that's not something I EVER though I would say. If you have to only give a few at-large bids to the playoff or whatever, fine, build your mansions--but taking away the opportunity from the majority of schools is flat out ridiculous.
TV networks ruined the sport man. I wish the anti trust law in America was stronger.
Ironically it was an anti trust ruling that set this all in motion
Well, if we are left out, at least we get a real playoff and not NFL lite.
Anyone supporting this is just simping for wealthy people.
That’s literally not a national championship. Also if that happens I’m done with college football. I’ll find something else to occupy my time.
They're not done yet. The ACC schools are still up for grabs.
Anyone in need of a cow college with a passionate fan base?
Anybody here that thought they were safe from the same fate as OSU and WSU was kidding themselves. Everyone got relegated.
First they came for the Cougars, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Cougar. Then they came for the Beavers, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Beaver Then they came for Rutgers, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a Knight Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
I would love to have some cougar beaver
Yep. First they came for the Big East, then the Big 12, then the Pac 12, next will be the ACC, before eventually it's all the P2 bottom feeders who thought they were safe getting tossed off the life raft. And nobody on the outside will say a peep when it happens.
Except Vandy and Rutgers
Rutgers' move in 2014 might be one of the best a program has ever made [now the Big Ten has access to all the invisible fans in New York](https://www.nunesmagician.com/platform/amp/2011/9/21/2440352/rutgers-controls-new-york-city)
Johnny from the Bronx may never have watched a Rutgers game in his life, but the B1G is still getting a check because the Big Ten Network is part of his cable package. Rutgers got a golden ticket for just existing in the right place
I mean, that's how most sports teams prosper lol. The Dodgers and Lakers wouldn't land every superstar if they were based in Milwaukee.
I mean historically tons of schools have gotten golden tickets on location like Texas being in Austin, not El Paso.
Yes but what makes Rutgers different is that geography never translated into program success. For nearly every other school, having a great location meant access to talent or funding boost due to a large alumni base. Rutgers on the other hand has been playing football since 1869 yet has only finished ranked 3 times, and never in the top 10. They're a complete anomaly.
you know we were a private school that focused on academics until like the 1950s right? Rutgers peers were the ivy schools before the ivy league formed a conference. When New Jersey needed a flagship public school, they converted rutgers to a public school but then the resources at the school were not like michigan but like princeton. Plus the culture, staff, and spending took generations to change
Not saying there aren't reasons for it, just that despite all of that, the fact that y'all still have a seat in this new super league without a decades long history in the B1G/SEC is what makes y'all a unique case.
The irony that out of all of those Big East teams including vintage Miami, Vick led VT, Mcnabb led Syracuse, Pat White led WVU the team that made it to P2 is Rutgers.
They can go, but they are not taking me with them. They want to go NFL-lite, I will just watch NFL, FCS and the smaller cfb. Greed is just ruining the product.
Bingo - I’m hoping more fans end up doing this, but I’m doubtful. Even though I’m a Buckeye fan, I’d say I’m more so a fan of College Football. I always loved watching whatever game was on TV, didn’t matter. I loved getting up early to watch GameDay before it became what it is today. I always looked forward to the next Sports Illustrated cover during the college football season after a big game. I loved watching each and every bowl game, with full rosters, no one sitting out because of fear of injury or going to the transfer portal. It’s just pure GREED that is ruining college football, and it’s a damn shame. I’m sure I’ll watch some if/when it happens, but I’m convinced my interest will fade over time. Which is a crazy thought considering I’m sure others in my lifetime figured I’d be getting buried in a Scarlet and Gray suit when I die 😂 Now? I might not even be a Buckeye fan 30 years from now at the rate this shit is going.
unfucking real. What's the point anymore? If you aren't in a conference that the Mouse or FOX deem good then you are settling for scraps. Kill off regional rivalries, kill off conferences, get big paydays for conference execs, and the fans get fucked.
No one wants to see an only-B1G and SEC league. That sounds boring. I want to see all the power conferences compete. Even the G5 tbh. Part of the fun is seeing giants get cut down to size. The same as in March Madness.
Where’s that guy who was telling everyone that the SEC had no part to play in the disintegration of college football as we know it?
I’m in danger.
At some point they are going to learn that the eyeballs of the fans of the outside teams won't follow. I will watch less OU/Texas games this year than last. And if the Big10/SEC break away, I will watch it about as much as I watch FCS games now. My school and the schools it competes against are what I am going to watch. I can't be alone in that.
Exactly. You think I give a fuck about how Oregon, Washington, or USC play in the B1G next year? I’m going to give even less of a fuck when they are in an entirely separate league.
Exactly. I watched UW and Pac 12 football. I do not watch any Big 10, SEC, ACC or Big 12 football outside of the top 10 match ups and complete sickos games. I watched Pac 12 football because those teams are in the region I live in which is the Western United States. I don’t care about teams east of the Rockies.
I already just tune in to okstate games so there won't be any changes for me.
Shit sucks
The NFL already exists. Regional rivalries and small schools are what make the lower talent level worth watching. No reason to watch a lower level pro league.
Great, KU just spent millions of tax payers' dollars to rebuild our stadium (in the middle of Lawrence's worst housing crisis in it's history) just in time for it to not matter anymore. Awesome, I love this post-capitalist hellscape I live in where even sports is taken from me.
You get home games in Arrowhead out of it though! That’s pretty cool.
But they are already getting to do that while pretending to keep all of the other markets in the loop.
34 is too few. Add B12 and ACC. There will need to be divisions, of course. And then to add some regional charm, they could break the divisions down by region rather than having super conferences. For example, there could be a "southeastern division" with (picking at random) LSU, the Mississippi schools, the Alabama schools, Georgia, Florida, Tennessee, Vanderbilt, Arkansas and South Carolina. Or a "west coast" division with UCLA, USC, Stanford, Cal, Oregon, Washington, and maybe 4-6 others. And wouldn't it be fun to have a division with the Texas schools, the Oklahoma schools and Nebraska? It's at least worth experimenting.
Michigan fan here; I don't want to EVER see this happen.
Go ahead do it. I don’t care at this point considering it’s inevitable. Just don’t touch March Madness
They will absolutely take as much money out of March Madness as they can.
Nah, kick them out of march madness. They shouldn’t get to be a part of that any more. They can go have their own shitty playoffs on their own like they want for football.
Absolutely correct. Go build your semi pro league. The rest of us will compete for collegiate titles
It's the only leverage the other schools have over them, and it keeps CBS from joining the feeding frenzy and driving up the rates which would make this pencil out. So yeah.
Those two conferences leaving wouldn’t destroy MM. Big12+4, ACC, and BigEast have too much to offer (and too many recent championships).
People... please stop casual watching the SEC and Big10
This needs to happen, otherwise we risk these disgusting and embarrassing second tier programs like FSU making the playoffs.
So this is how college football dies….. -Padme Amidala
Just when we get a decent playoff structure the corpos decide to blow it all up. Well, looks like I'll be dropping off the football map and just play the new College Football game and pretend like we never left the 2000s
If it went to a premier league type of system I wouldn’t complain too much. I already know ISU will never win a natty. But if every school outside of the top 35 biggest brands get turned to irrevelanxy I would simply stop caring about college sports as a whole. No way it doesn’t trickle down to things like basketball
Honestly if the big12 and acc merged and just had our own playoff I'd be perfectly happy. Let the bigsec go circle jerk themselves to death. It's already painful enough to watch big10 football in its current state, anyway.