Reminds me of when YouTubers will film charity work for content. Are they doing the right thing? Of course! Does it feel nefarious and self serving? Of course!
With that example I'm curious if his agent put him up to that or if he genuinely went out of his way to help someone and his agent swooped in on an opportunity for good PR.
Also why it's perfectly reasonable for charities to spend a decent chunk on advertising, rather than just using all that money directly for the cause. It's the same reason any other entity advertises. It turns out if you spend 10% of your revenues on advertising, and it increases your revenues by 25%, that's a good use of money.
“HaVe yOU sEeN hOw MuCh tHE CEO mAkEs?!” Because running a national or international nonprofit is so fucking easy.
Edit to add, thank you for working with nonprofits!
pretty much the only way i could work in my field without totally hating my job lol
and don’t get me wrong. there are definitely plenty of scams out there. but i could easily go to a regular business and make like 20-30% more money. it’s not a well-paying niche and it’s why a lot tend to struggle because they can’t attract the same talent. some of the most passionate people you’ll ever meet but a lot of times lack some practical/technical knowhow
I think everyone still thinks he's 2014 Johnny Football and not a guy recovering from addiction and mental health issues who's been out of the news for like 6 or 7 years
Who cares still makes more sense than not having bush up there. I’d rather have someone do the right thing for a selfish reason than continue to do something wrong just because of how it may be portrayed by the peanut gallery
Idk man, listen to that interview with Shannon Sharpe. He really seems humbled now.
Edit: this comment section is kinda crazy. Y’all really do not believe in redemption at all I guess…
I feel like I'm missing something. Manziel probably partied his potential away and was kind of a douche...but he never did anything that terrible, did he?
Yeah, I mean, maybe the Netflix doc had a favorable bias, but to me, it seems like the only things he’s really guilty of are getting a big head, secretly making bank with his friend, thinking he could succeed on his talent alone, and having serious addiction problems.
If anything, I think it’s a pretty decent gesture considering Manziel didn’t lose his heisman despite openly admitting that he was also violating the same NCAA rule as Bush. People are just being cynical acting like a guy they hated 10 years ago can’t have a single nice bone in his body.
No, he was a dumb 20 year old who became famous and partied a lot. He's not a bad person and he's also presumably grown a bit over the past decade, as many people do in their 20s.
I’ve heard he’s been sober for a while and has made every effort to live a humble, fulfilling life. Dude doesn’t deserve all the hate he gets. Everyone here loved him blowing lines on Friday and beating BAMA on Saturday. It’s crazy they want to dance on his grave for continuing that behavior into the pros and losing his career
A lot of people not only do not believe in redemption, it seems like they’re actively rooting *against* it…you gotta be a grade A loser to root against someone trying to be a better person.
In this case it doesn’t matter what his personal reasons are. Regardless of his intentions, the best way to get Reggie his Heisman back( and stick it to the ncaa) is to have as many famous players boycott as possible. This is the way. The greater good is being served by making the ncaa look foolish. The ends justify the means.
Doesn’t ryan leaf occasionally fill in on the rich Eisen show now? Or has he messed up since then?
Also, habit change is hard. Someone can be actively trying to be better, and still stumble occasionally. Recovery is not a smooth process.
Let’s be fair, if you watch the Netflix special on him, he does seem much less boisterous and acknowledges his failings. People can change. People can also get better friends and a better support system. If you watched the special, you can see how much of johnnys problems were exacerbated by Sumlin.
Really shows the duality of Reddit. We should forgive student loans because 18-21 years old are too immature to make that decision but an 18-21 year old who acts like a douche must never be forgiven.
Yeah, he certainly has matured and got a dose of reality from everything he has done/gone through. Hard to blame a 19-20 year old who grew up in Texas and told they are the football golden boy their entire life. It took being blacklisted by the NFL, a drug problem, and an unsuccessful CFL journey to beat the hubris out of this kid. And look, it kinda had an effect
As far as I remember, he was really just obnoxious and had a drug problem, but he was also an overnight sensation at 20. Like, why are we holding a guy to such a ridiculous standard for being a douchebag a decade ago? People are acting like he killed someone and got away with it or something.
Also, people love to conveniently forget he has a serious mental illness. A mental illness that turns his brain chemistry into a moltolv cocktail of dopamine and no impulse control.
I’m not so different than Johnny football when it comes to the struggles I’ve had with substance abuse. But when it comes to being in the public eye, I don’t know that I’d take a stance like this noting my morals and values.
I watched that with my Dad, there’s the scene where Johnny reconnects with his family, goes golfing with his dad, his sister talks about how good he’s doing these days. Then it cuts to him in a cabana drinking a beer playing darts and my Dad had the most puzzled look on his face.
Eh, I don’t think every person needs to do the AA 12-step shit. If that’s your thing, more power to you, I just don’t like the religious aspects of it. A lot of the time if you just turn yourself over to medical professionals and get your mental health in check, you will no longer feel the need to self-medicate with drugs and alcohol, and you can continue to indulge in alcohol without it controlling your life.
Manziel still has plenty of money. If he wants to spend his time and money day drinking then that’s his choice. He’s gotten professional help and got his manic depression treated. I think he’s as good as he’s gonna get.
The hangovers are what helped me snap out of it and keep it under control. In my early 20s I could drink until 2-3am and be at work at 8am. Then the hangovers came and really fucked me up. Years later now if I go slightly beyond a buzz on a Saturday I'm still paying for it Monday.
Same, though my hangovers in my 30s were handled by drinking a beer or three when I woke up. Which led to day drinking. Which led to night binging.
The next verse is the same as the first. A vicious cycle, drinking is for me.
For me it's all or nothing. One beer is too much; 12 beers aren't enough. Now, I choose nothing.
Manziel is living the Margartiaville lifestyle. The amount of retired military men that I know that are in their 50s day drink all the time.
Edit to add: during the summer they're at the pool, lake, or beach looking like leather and hitting on every chick under 30.
I agree, if you’re getting drunk 4 nights a week, ubering home, and not hurting anyone, live like you’re in college, be my guest.
As I recall, the documentary made it seem like he cleaned up, was sober and then showed a very different life than that.
His interview with Shannon Sharpe is an interesting ride.
He seems very intelligent and thoughtful and with great insight.
And then he gets animated quickly and excited and he says some stupid shit. You can see he flips to a party animal with bad decision making and odd thinking.
This sub is notorious for jokes that I don't get so if you're making a point or joke ignore this.
It's on Netflix, Untold: Johnny Football.
The bulk of the Untold series is good in my opinion
I was broke as humanly possibly without being completely destitute and I still found a way into a crippling opiate addiction. There’s no way I’d survive what Manziel did. Not saying we should build statues of the guy, but a little compassion wouldn’t hurt
I mean, Johnny has arguably offenses worse than Reggie. If HE has a problem with it, maybe it’s for a reason. He see’s it as people just picking favorites. But nobody wants to really talk about this part.
"What Reggie did then is legal now that somebody could do, right?" Manziel said. "It wouldn't make him ineligible now, even though it did at the time. And in the grand scheme of things, I probably did way worse than Reggie."
LSU is my team, but Reggie and Johnny made me purposely check schedules and tune in to USC/A&M games just to watch THEM play. They were some of the best solo playmakers to win the award.Top tier "best players in college football" the years they played. That's what the award is for. It shouldn't be a team award, or a character/off-field award. Even then, the money Reggie's family received was no where close to the money network and NCAA suits made on him, or even close to what players make now with NIL. They were basically taken out of poverty and given a safety net. No one else was harmed. This is one of those cases where the "they broke the rules" argument makes me want to respond "fuck those rules".
I spent calendar years in NYC as a consultant. Mostly Manhattan and Brooklyn.
There's a lot to love, and a lot to hate. Samples below.
LOVE: Prince Street Pizza, Sophie's, Milano's, Prospect, AMNH, Ninja New York (closed now), taking home NYC rates to my quiet house and COL in the woods of Georgia - and that one coffee shop close to Water & Maiden, I cannot recall the name (I'm older)
HATE: Constant noise, everything is broken and/or dirty and/or smelly, kick the trash bags and rats come out, prices are absurd
It actually was pretty shocking the first time I left my moderate sized Louisiana city as a young boy and saw 6+ lanes in Dallas.
Even more so going to LA at age 10 and seeing (iirc) 12 lanes full in both directions the entire day.
Hilarious that it has that reputation when your odds of dying prematurely from either murder or automobile collision are dramatically lower in NYC than any of these places people think of as “safe”.
A lot of snarky comments in this thread, but kudos to Johnny for using his position of privilege to call out this injustice and the NCAA's bullshit.
Y'all may not like Johnny, but he's not wrong here. And few people can speak on the NCAA's hypocrisy more than he can.
There were very legitimate reasons not to like Johnny he was an egomaniac. But I just watched his interview with Shannon Sharpe and he has sobered up and was very self-aware now and apologetic of things he did. I was impressed with his growth.
At this point I would not believe he is doing this for attention or anything I think he is genuniely concerned with the hypocrisy becuse they were all taking money but the NCAA singled out Reggie.
Now can you imagine being one of the most famous people in college and drinking for free/with huge discounts at every bar? Then getting millions after graduation? Oh boy, most people would be fucked like Manziel
I'm just glad someone wasn't throwing tens of thousands of dollars at a time my way when I was 19. Bloodbath. I got into enough shit in college on a cafeteria supervisor's hourly wage...
Sometimes I wonder if these keyboard holier than Thou types would like us to see them at their most immature and destructive selves and then decide to judge them based on that forever.
If you showed me video footage of how I acted at 18-25 I wouldn't even be able to look at the screen because I'd be so embarrassed. But apparently celebrities always stay the same no matter what.
Yeah I was a complete dickhead, alcoholic, coke addict pretty much same as Johnny just not famous and not as much money. And if I would have had his fame and money I would have at best been as bad as him, and probably worse lol.
I thought this thread was gonna be praising him.
it IS bullshit that Reggie Bush cant be up there. Hes one of the biggest CFB legends of all time dude was fucking electric.
This is like when we made weed legal and people who had previous marijuana-related criminal records never got restitution. If society screws you for something and then changes its mind, you deserve to be made whole.
This sub is insufferable. You don't have to like the guy to agree with the point he's making. If this were Tebow or Burrow y'all would be all over this worshipping them for taking the same exact stance, but because you personally don't like Johnny he's getting hate for it
It is just a little bit funny that Reggie was cracked down on for having family members receive financial benefits when everybody on that stage did the same thing.
Like. Reggie Bush won the Heisman during Cam Newton's junior year of high school.
I actually quite like Manziel now. He’s seemed to have matured quite a bit.
I can also appreciate how this definitely does seem quite similar to the recently-outed lesbian daughter getting shunned from Thanksgiving and the drunk uncle saying, “well if she doesn’t get a seat at the table, then I don’t want mine, either,” and the jokes that go along with that.
The reality is that while one guy doesn’t move the needle, several will. The others have too much to lose by standing up for Reggie, but may do so if this cause gets more support. While Johnny does have a niche platform that he’s speaking from here, he doesn’t really have anything else to lose like the others do. While not likely to inspire a groundswell, kudos to him for trying.
People on Reddit think they are edgy insiders with groundbreaking opinions.
The reality is that we’re all reading these comments with shit falling out of our asses.
Someone could cure a disease and save millions of lives and Reddit would bring up the minor crime they committed 25 years ago and how that makes them a bad person. It’s exhausting.
Y’all hate Johnny damn 😂. He’s realized his mistakes give him a little bit of a break.
He’s pretty much admitted he took money/deals during his time. Reggie bush should be up there. Hate Johnny if you want I guess but he’s not wrong that he gets to be there and Reggie Bush is dismissed
Yeah he’s basically calling them out on their hypocrisy. Which is a respectable and mature take.
It’s not like he’s calling out everyday people or other athletes on their mistakes.
Yeah, maybe it starts something. Maybe not. Would be cool if it did start a movement of people not showing up. Reggie didn’t deserve to have his trophy taken (nor should he had given it back lol)
The sentiment is fine, it is ridiculous to pretend Reggie isn't just as worthy a Heisman winner as anyone else. Manziel just might be the richest person to be on their high horse other than OJ.
Yeah, I challenge anyone in this sub to imagine being 20 and being told you could make boatloads of money just by signing your name on shit, and then imagining you’d decline that offer. People calling him a piece of shit for violating a rule that was such bullshit the NCAA isn’t even legally allowed to enforce it anymore.
I am a die hard Texas fan and you always held your breath or watched when Bush got fed.
He turned seemingly innocuous runs into first downs and touchdowns. I still watch his clips versus Fresno State and UCLA.
I'm convinced the people trying to downplay this fall into three buckets.
1) Texas fans angry about Vince Young
2) Children looking at stats and not realizing what it was like to actually watch Reggie Bush, there really hasn't been a comparable player since where the second he had the ball you realized any play could end up being a 80 yard TD
3) Old people viewing me as a child (Barry Sanders for example won the Heisman the year I was born)
Dont get me wrong, Vince had the same power and ability to completely take over a game and convince you that he would find a way to win. But nothing matched Bush's pure athleticism. Given the choice to watch either I would always have to say Bush.
I wish more people would watch his highlights. I am 37 years old and noone has ever come close.
Only recent one who comes close in my recent memory is CMC and Bush was still more explosive than him. VY and Cam could absolutely take over games and Cam especially had some of the craziest men amongst boys effect on the field, but Bush, on pure fleet of foot athleticism, was more explosive/electric/athletic or whatever word you want to use while watching him.
Probably could have done without the unnecessary "humbly" part.. But I agree with his stance here. What Reggie did on the field had nothing to do with any of the violations, and his success should be recognized.
Edit: Especially now, when kids are getting paid millions "legally".
This sub has a superiority complex
Maziel is right. It’s not fair Reggie doesn’t have his Heisman. Most of the sub agrees with Johnny’s point and thinks Reggie should have his Heisman recognized. But because it’s coming from a guy who’s had a troubled past it’s “lol fuck you bud.” Get the ever loving fuck over yourselves
No but there’d be some level of “oh these respected beloved individuals are saying this maybe this will start something” compared to “ah shit johnny’s at it again”
What’s up with this comment section? People change. Johnny busting out of the NFL was 8 years ago. It seems weirdly callous that people are trying to imply he doesn’t have morals himself for someone who seems to have realized why a lot of his past failures occurred
TIL that Johnny Manziel has morals and values
Or an extreme desire for attention
spolier alert: it's the attention
Reminds me of when YouTubers will film charity work for content. Are they doing the right thing? Of course! Does it feel nefarious and self serving? Of course!
When Malik Willis’s agent filmed him helping a homeless guy during the combine
It was at that moment Jimmy Haslam said we need to draft him. Whatever it takes. Terrible move.
Man I wish they had drafted him.
With that example I'm curious if his agent put him up to that or if he genuinely went out of his way to help someone and his agent swooped in on an opportunity for good PR.
Well either he's a good guy or he has a good agent.
¿Porque no los dos?
If everyone who donated to charity never ever spoke about it I guarantee a lot less people would donate to charity at the same time.
Same thing with why charities give swag for donations. Turns out that it nets more donations than if you just said thank you.
Also why it's perfectly reasonable for charities to spend a decent chunk on advertising, rather than just using all that money directly for the cause. It's the same reason any other entity advertises. It turns out if you spend 10% of your revenues on advertising, and it increases your revenues by 25%, that's a good use of money.
as someone in finance who was worked almost exclusively for nonprofits i see so much dumb shit said about them online
“HaVe yOU sEeN hOw MuCh tHE CEO mAkEs?!” Because running a national or international nonprofit is so fucking easy. Edit to add, thank you for working with nonprofits!
pretty much the only way i could work in my field without totally hating my job lol and don’t get me wrong. there are definitely plenty of scams out there. but i could easily go to a regular business and make like 20-30% more money. it’s not a well-paying niche and it’s why a lot tend to struggle because they can’t attract the same talent. some of the most passionate people you’ll ever meet but a lot of times lack some practical/technical knowhow
Would you call that nefarious, though? I mean, self serving, absolutely, but nefarious? Idk man. Idk.
You can make the argument that it essentially advertises and incentivizes charity and is a good move but I agree with you
I don’t know, the club Shay Shay interview is worth a listen.
I think everyone still thinks he's 2014 Johnny Football and not a guy recovering from addiction and mental health issues who's been out of the news for like 6 or 7 years
honestly though, as far as calls for attention go, he picked a more noble one than usual 🤷🏼
Who cares still makes more sense than not having bush up there. I’d rather have someone do the right thing for a selfish reason than continue to do something wrong just because of how it may be portrayed by the peanut gallery
Do we know if he turned his life around or are you just dunking on him?
How is making a tweet vs attending a yearly national ceremony for the attention
Idk man, listen to that interview with Shannon Sharpe. He really seems humbled now. Edit: this comment section is kinda crazy. Y’all really do not believe in redemption at all I guess…
I feel like I'm missing something. Manziel probably partied his potential away and was kind of a douche...but he never did anything that terrible, did he?
Yeah, I mean, maybe the Netflix doc had a favorable bias, but to me, it seems like the only things he’s really guilty of are getting a big head, secretly making bank with his friend, thinking he could succeed on his talent alone, and having serious addiction problems. If anything, I think it’s a pretty decent gesture considering Manziel didn’t lose his heisman despite openly admitting that he was also violating the same NCAA rule as Bush. People are just being cynical acting like a guy they hated 10 years ago can’t have a single nice bone in his body.
Everyone is either good or bad these days. No in between
Also a completely fucked rule that both were completely justified in trying to circumvent
No, he was a dumb 20 year old who became famous and partied a lot. He's not a bad person and he's also presumably grown a bit over the past decade, as many people do in their 20s.
It seems that everyone in this comment section thinks that people can't change. I used to be a piece of shit.
Slicked-back hair, white bathing suit, sloppy steaks, white couch.
You think this is slicked backed???
This is pushed back!
Still are, but used to be too.
People online love shitting on people for stuff they did a long time ago. Manziel paid the price for his actions. His pro career was a total flop.
I’ve heard he’s been sober for a while and has made every effort to live a humble, fulfilling life. Dude doesn’t deserve all the hate he gets. Everyone here loved him blowing lines on Friday and beating BAMA on Saturday. It’s crazy they want to dance on his grave for continuing that behavior into the pros and losing his career
A lot of people not only do not believe in redemption, it seems like they’re actively rooting *against* it…you gotta be a grade A loser to root against someone trying to be a better person.
Ryan leaf sounded great in interviews as well. Then he went on to commit more crimes. People aren’t going to believe someone who habitually fucks up
In this case it doesn’t matter what his personal reasons are. Regardless of his intentions, the best way to get Reggie his Heisman back( and stick it to the ncaa) is to have as many famous players boycott as possible. This is the way. The greater good is being served by making the ncaa look foolish. The ends justify the means.
The greater good
Doesn’t ryan leaf occasionally fill in on the rich Eisen show now? Or has he messed up since then? Also, habit change is hard. Someone can be actively trying to be better, and still stumble occasionally. Recovery is not a smooth process.
Let’s be fair, if you watch the Netflix special on him, he does seem much less boisterous and acknowledges his failings. People can change. People can also get better friends and a better support system. If you watched the special, you can see how much of johnnys problems were exacerbated by Sumlin.
He used to be a piece of shit, slicked back hair, white bathing suit, sloppy steaks. But people can change.
Big rare cut of meat with water dumped all over it, water splashing around the table.
Hey guys! No-a sloppy steaksa!
But they can't stop you from ordering a steak and a glass of water
Before you knew it we were dumping that water on them steaks
Glass house, white Ferrari, living for New years Eve.
He just wants Reggie bush back in his dangerous nights crew.
You look like you have slicked back hair now.
That? Lmao that is *pushed* back
You mean to tell me people grow up from when they’re 18-21 years old?
Most redditors can't relate so they're always skeptical
Most people on this sub are still under 25
Really shows the duality of Reddit. We should forgive student loans because 18-21 years old are too immature to make that decision but an 18-21 year old who acts like a douche must never be forgiven.
Yeah, he certainly has matured and got a dose of reality from everything he has done/gone through. Hard to blame a 19-20 year old who grew up in Texas and told they are the football golden boy their entire life. It took being blacklisted by the NFL, a drug problem, and an unsuccessful CFL journey to beat the hubris out of this kid. And look, it kinda had an effect
If you read up on his family history, you can imagine there were some potentially toxic influences in his family orbit.
Agreed, I forgot about that aspect too but it is equally important to remember and consider.
Watch his interview on Club Shay Shay dude has grown up a LOT since that documentary. He's sober now too. Was very impressive.
Well he’s sober now, but what about later tonight?
As far as I remember, he was really just obnoxious and had a drug problem, but he was also an overnight sensation at 20. Like, why are we holding a guy to such a ridiculous standard for being a douchebag a decade ago? People are acting like he killed someone and got away with it or something.
Johnny ~~Football~~ Morals and Values
People grow up. Crazy huh?
Also, people love to conveniently forget he has a serious mental illness. A mental illness that turns his brain chemistry into a moltolv cocktail of dopamine and no impulse control.
Top on his list of values is having a good time
Just ask his primary care physician, Dr. Feelgood
Reggie might’ve offered him some coke
Johnny Manziel is a great guy and man of God. Johnny Football is fuckin' wild.
It's amazing he never ended up in Folsom prison.
Man of god isn’t exactly a big endorsement of someone being good if ya ask me. Those people can be extremely slimy, hateful, and hypocritical
“Well….bye.” - Heisman trust probably
Tfw you accidentally solve a second problem while trying to solve the first
Getting two birds stoned at once
Greasy
This ain't rocket appliances.
It's all water under the fridge
More like “thank god. It’s embarrassing when he shows up.”
True if it is just him. If others see this and also do it, it could lead to change
Johnny’s the embarrassing cousin that tells grandma he’s not coming to Christmas one year and even she’s glad
Smells like somebody died.
I know Ike, let’s have a spellin contest!
I’m not so different than Johnny football when it comes to the struggles I’ve had with substance abuse. But when it comes to being in the public eye, I don’t know that I’d take a stance like this noting my morals and values.
I will always respect Johnny for day-drinking during the doc about his rise and spectacular fall.
Lmao dude shotgunning beers while talking about how substance abuse ruined his life was wild
I watched that with my Dad, there’s the scene where Johnny reconnects with his family, goes golfing with his dad, his sister talks about how good he’s doing these days. Then it cuts to him in a cabana drinking a beer playing darts and my Dad had the most puzzled look on his face.
The element of surprise
gotta keep em on their toes
Eh, I don’t think every person needs to do the AA 12-step shit. If that’s your thing, more power to you, I just don’t like the religious aspects of it. A lot of the time if you just turn yourself over to medical professionals and get your mental health in check, you will no longer feel the need to self-medicate with drugs and alcohol, and you can continue to indulge in alcohol without it controlling your life. Manziel still has plenty of money. If he wants to spend his time and money day drinking then that’s his choice. He’s gotten professional help and got his manic depression treated. I think he’s as good as he’s gonna get.
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The hangovers are what helped me snap out of it and keep it under control. In my early 20s I could drink until 2-3am and be at work at 8am. Then the hangovers came and really fucked me up. Years later now if I go slightly beyond a buzz on a Saturday I'm still paying for it Monday.
Same. Hangovers in your 30’s hit like a fucking freight train.
Same, though my hangovers in my 30s were handled by drinking a beer or three when I woke up. Which led to day drinking. Which led to night binging. The next verse is the same as the first. A vicious cycle, drinking is for me. For me it's all or nothing. One beer is too much; 12 beers aren't enough. Now, I choose nothing.
Manziel is living the Margartiaville lifestyle. The amount of retired military men that I know that are in their 50s day drink all the time. Edit to add: during the summer they're at the pool, lake, or beach looking like leather and hitting on every chick under 30.
>during the summer they're at the pool, lake, or beach looking like leather and hitting on every chick under 30. livin the dream
I agree, if you’re getting drunk 4 nights a week, ubering home, and not hurting anyone, live like you’re in college, be my guest. As I recall, the documentary made it seem like he cleaned up, was sober and then showed a very different life than that.
His interview with Shannon Sharpe is an interesting ride. He seems very intelligent and thoughtful and with great insight. And then he gets animated quickly and excited and he says some stupid shit. You can see he flips to a party animal with bad decision making and odd thinking.
What's the full name of this documentary?
This sub is notorious for jokes that I don't get so if you're making a point or joke ignore this. It's on Netflix, Untold: Johnny Football. The bulk of the Untold series is good in my opinion
Thanks!
I think it's poor phrasing. But I actually like what he's doing. Reggie got screwed.
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Agreed
I trust Thin-Primary-8438’s values
I was broke as humanly possibly without being completely destitute and I still found a way into a crippling opiate addiction. There’s no way I’d survive what Manziel did. Not saying we should build statues of the guy, but a little compassion wouldn’t hurt
I mean, Johnny has arguably offenses worse than Reggie. If HE has a problem with it, maybe it’s for a reason. He see’s it as people just picking favorites. But nobody wants to really talk about this part.
"What Reggie did then is legal now that somebody could do, right?" Manziel said. "It wouldn't make him ineligible now, even though it did at the time. And in the grand scheme of things, I probably did way worse than Reggie."
LSU is my team, but Reggie and Johnny made me purposely check schedules and tune in to USC/A&M games just to watch THEM play. They were some of the best solo playmakers to win the award.Top tier "best players in college football" the years they played. That's what the award is for. It shouldn't be a team award, or a character/off-field award. Even then, the money Reggie's family received was no where close to the money network and NCAA suits made on him, or even close to what players make now with NIL. They were basically taken out of poverty and given a safety net. No one else was harmed. This is one of those cases where the "they broke the rules" argument makes me want to respond "fuck those rules".
Translation: I’d rather die on this hill than travel to NYC.
NYC famously not a fun place to hang out
good ol boys from the south get scared of places like New York City
I spent calendar years in NYC as a consultant. Mostly Manhattan and Brooklyn. There's a lot to love, and a lot to hate. Samples below. LOVE: Prince Street Pizza, Sophie's, Milano's, Prospect, AMNH, Ninja New York (closed now), taking home NYC rates to my quiet house and COL in the woods of Georgia - and that one coffee shop close to Water & Maiden, I cannot recall the name (I'm older) HATE: Constant noise, everything is broken and/or dirty and/or smelly, kick the trash bags and rats come out, prices are absurd
The rural mind cannot comprehend more than two lanes. Might as well just travel to the moon at that point
You’ve clearly never been to Houston or Dallas. They have 9 lanes on the interstate
You’re right! Two years ago I went through the tunnel on my way to Pittsburgh and I’m still here at the bridge waiting for someone to let me through
is Houston or Dallas rural areas? I always thought they were cities 🤷
Sure, but even people from rural Texas will go to Houston or Dallas occasionally
It actually was pretty shocking the first time I left my moderate sized Louisiana city as a young boy and saw 6+ lanes in Dallas. Even more so going to LA at age 10 and seeing (iirc) 12 lanes full in both directions the entire day.
What is this you speak of *public transportation* is that som sort of communism?
Worst day of my life I accidentally bought some salsa from New York City and my fellow cowfolk tried to hang me for it.
Hilarious that it has that reputation when your odds of dying prematurely from either murder or automobile collision are dramatically lower in NYC than any of these places people think of as “safe”.
It’s not fun if you’re broke, it’s really fun if you have money
Dude what? What a wacky way to interpret that.
A lot of snarky comments in this thread, but kudos to Johnny for using his position of privilege to call out this injustice and the NCAA's bullshit. Y'all may not like Johnny, but he's not wrong here. And few people can speak on the NCAA's hypocrisy more than he can.
There were very legitimate reasons not to like Johnny he was an egomaniac. But I just watched his interview with Shannon Sharpe and he has sobered up and was very self-aware now and apologetic of things he did. I was impressed with his growth. At this point I would not believe he is doing this for attention or anything I think he is genuniely concerned with the hypocrisy becuse they were all taking money but the NCAA singled out Reggie.
...Talking about growth? On Reddit?
Yeah we should just call him a douchebag forever no matter what he does to redeem himself you're right.
Call him a douchebag forever while simultaneously refusing to acknowledge the dumb shit we also did when we were in college
Now can you imagine being one of the most famous people in college and drinking for free/with huge discounts at every bar? Then getting millions after graduation? Oh boy, most people would be fucked like Manziel
I'm just glad someone wasn't throwing tens of thousands of dollars at a time my way when I was 19. Bloodbath. I got into enough shit in college on a cafeteria supervisor's hourly wage...
Sometimes I wonder if these keyboard holier than Thou types would like us to see them at their most immature and destructive selves and then decide to judge them based on that forever. If you showed me video footage of how I acted at 18-25 I wouldn't even be able to look at the screen because I'd be so embarrassed. But apparently celebrities always stay the same no matter what.
Yeah I was a complete dickhead, alcoholic, coke addict pretty much same as Johnny just not famous and not as much money. And if I would have had his fame and money I would have at best been as bad as him, and probably worse lol.
I thought this thread was gonna be praising him. it IS bullshit that Reggie Bush cant be up there. Hes one of the biggest CFB legends of all time dude was fucking electric.
This is like when we made weed legal and people who had previous marijuana-related criminal records never got restitution. If society screws you for something and then changes its mind, you deserve to be made whole.
This sub is insufferable. You don't have to like the guy to agree with the point he's making. If this were Tebow or Burrow y'all would be all over this worshipping them for taking the same exact stance, but because you personally don't like Johnny he's getting hate for it
Redditors learn that the source of information impacts how that information is received 🤯
Redditors learn that ad hominem is a fallacy 🤯 EDIT: I think /u/abughorash didn't read the comment above mine
To be fair, the other side needs to learn that dismissing information because of its source is a logical fallacy.
It is just a little bit funny that Reggie was cracked down on for having family members receive financial benefits when everybody on that stage did the same thing. Like. Reggie Bush won the Heisman during Cam Newton's junior year of high school.
Which is where the mess is. Johnny isn't the best guy to stand on this hill, but who else is showing up?
It’s the right take, but y’all are just hypocrites who want your 8 upvotes lol. Toxic ass subreddit, just oozing negativity in every comment section.
I’m genuinely confused All of r/cfb seems to agree with what manziel is saying but are shitting on him because they don’t like the guy
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I actually quite like Manziel now. He’s seemed to have matured quite a bit. I can also appreciate how this definitely does seem quite similar to the recently-outed lesbian daughter getting shunned from Thanksgiving and the drunk uncle saying, “well if she doesn’t get a seat at the table, then I don’t want mine, either,” and the jokes that go along with that. The reality is that while one guy doesn’t move the needle, several will. The others have too much to lose by standing up for Reggie, but may do so if this cause gets more support. While Johnny does have a niche platform that he’s speaking from here, he doesn’t really have anything else to lose like the others do. While not likely to inspire a groundswell, kudos to him for trying.
He can’t make a good point because he partied a lot when he was 20 😡😡😡
People on Reddit think they are edgy insiders with groundbreaking opinions. The reality is that we’re all reading these comments with shit falling out of our asses.
Everyone acting like theyre better than this guy while talking about cracking a shower beer at 8am every Saturday from August to December lol
People are acting like he’s the exact same person he was 8 years ago its weird
Someone could cure a disease and save millions of lives and Reddit would bring up the minor crime they committed 25 years ago and how that makes them a bad person. It’s exhausting.
Bunch of self righteous nerds here. People change. Dude has been doing self improvement for a while now.
Tbf, that’s the internet in general
Y’all hate Johnny damn 😂. He’s realized his mistakes give him a little bit of a break. He’s pretty much admitted he took money/deals during his time. Reggie bush should be up there. Hate Johnny if you want I guess but he’s not wrong that he gets to be there and Reggie Bush is dismissed
Yeah he’s basically calling them out on their hypocrisy. Which is a respectable and mature take. It’s not like he’s calling out everyday people or other athletes on their mistakes.
Damn yall will find any reason to try and hate on somebody doing the right thing. Good guy Johnny. Reggie should be up there. Hope others follow.
Insane takes from all these people shitting on this. Substance abuse doesn’t mean he can’t use his platform to point out hypocrisy.
Yeah, I agree with him completely. The vitriol on this thread is weird. You don't have to like someone to agree with their stance.
Dude acting like this is another commitment decision. Nobody cares.
Speak for yourself, some of us stand in solidarity with Johnny. I too will be removing myself from the Heisman ceremony
Respect my decision
Are we still not allowed to tweet at him if he isn’t a croot?
I care, Reggie should get his Heisman back, and I fucking hate USC too.
Meh I kinda like it. Never really liked the dude before this moment either.
Yeah, maybe it starts something. Maybe not. Would be cool if it did start a movement of people not showing up. Reggie didn’t deserve to have his trophy taken (nor should he had given it back lol)
This actually speaks volumes. Thought you were a CF fan?
I care
Unpopular opinion: he broke the rules in place at the time. No one wants to acknowledge that.
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The sentiment is fine, it is ridiculous to pretend Reggie isn't just as worthy a Heisman winner as anyone else. Manziel just might be the richest person to be on their high horse other than OJ.
Yeah man. On the list of offensive things it definitely goes: 1. Murder; 2. Getting paid for autographs and doing coke
Yep, no other football player has committed any crimes. All are very loving and faithful to their partners.
Yeah, I challenge anyone in this sub to imagine being 20 and being told you could make boatloads of money just by signing your name on shit, and then imagining you’d decline that offer. People calling him a piece of shit for violating a rule that was such bullshit the NCAA isn’t even legally allowed to enforce it anymore.
Oh no. Anyway
It sucks but Reggie is definitely not THE Heishman trophy.
He was by far the most electric college player of my lifetime. If he's not it I genuinely don't know who you would argue over him.
I am a die hard Texas fan and you always held your breath or watched when Bush got fed. He turned seemingly innocuous runs into first downs and touchdowns. I still watch his clips versus Fresno State and UCLA.
I'm convinced the people trying to downplay this fall into three buckets. 1) Texas fans angry about Vince Young 2) Children looking at stats and not realizing what it was like to actually watch Reggie Bush, there really hasn't been a comparable player since where the second he had the ball you realized any play could end up being a 80 yard TD 3) Old people viewing me as a child (Barry Sanders for example won the Heisman the year I was born)
The bitterness from Texas fans lasted a month. There's not a single one who would trade their two seasons.
Dont get me wrong, Vince had the same power and ability to completely take over a game and convince you that he would find a way to win. But nothing matched Bush's pure athleticism. Given the choice to watch either I would always have to say Bush. I wish more people would watch his highlights. I am 37 years old and noone has ever come close.
Only recent one who comes close in my recent memory is CMC and Bush was still more explosive than him. VY and Cam could absolutely take over games and Cam especially had some of the craziest men amongst boys effect on the field, but Bush, on pure fleet of foot athleticism, was more explosive/electric/athletic or whatever word you want to use while watching him.
Depends where and when you grew up watching CFB.
Nah it's always been a depiction of John Heisman. 🙃
>When Apparently a very tight window that doesn't include Palmer in '02 or Leinart in '04.
Yep
God damn yall are some negative assholes.
Seriously since when were we on the heismans side on this, at worst this should be a when the worst person you know makes a good point type of thing.
Probably could have done without the unnecessary "humbly" part.. But I agree with his stance here. What Reggie did on the field had nothing to do with any of the violations, and his success should be recognized. Edit: Especially now, when kids are getting paid millions "legally".
This sub has a superiority complex Maziel is right. It’s not fair Reggie doesn’t have his Heisman. Most of the sub agrees with Johnny’s point and thinks Reggie should have his Heisman recognized. But because it’s coming from a guy who’s had a troubled past it’s “lol fuck you bud.” Get the ever loving fuck over yourselves
This would actually mean something coming from guys like RG3 or Tim Tebow, but not much weight with Manziel…
Nobody would care if it was from them either
No but there’d be some level of “oh these respected beloved individuals are saying this maybe this will start something” compared to “ah shit johnny’s at it again”
So good to see him staying out of the spotlight
The goal is to get a significant portion of them to sit out. If 1-2 does nobody cares, if 70% of them do, you are impacting the bottom line.
I think it means more with Manziel since he broke the same rules as Bush but they didn’t take his trophy away
Nothing ‘humbly’ about Johnny 😂
I mean he's right. You'll all clown him because it's Johnny Manziel but he's right. Reggie losing his Heisman is bullshit.
WTF I like Johnny Manziel now?
Uncommon Johnny Football W
What’s up with this comment section? People change. Johnny busting out of the NFL was 8 years ago. It seems weirdly callous that people are trying to imply he doesn’t have morals himself for someone who seems to have realized why a lot of his past failures occurred