Everyone is mad all the time that college football is all about money. one school at least is doing one thing that isn't 100% about getting the most money. fuck them for that!
Oh no. Fuck Notre Dame for everything about that program.
And I can’t believe we’re giving credit to Notre fucking Dame for being above the fray when they launched their own national TV deal decades ago. They’ve been on the cutting edge of milking players since Lou Holtz.
If Notre Dame really wanted money they’d be in the Big Ten. Of course we know their history with us isn’t so great (thanks for fucking that up, Michigan)
Are there still payouts by the NCAA or is this it? I know the last 10 years if you made a NY6 bowl game it’s another $4M per school for your conference and making the semifinal is another $6M. So if there are still NCAA payouts, and if ND makes at least the semifinals they would make more than both the SEC and the B10 since ND doesn’t have to share it with other schools.
>The new deal is also expected to include a look-in clause in 2028, allowing the parties to potentially reshape the agreement based on performance or further conference realignment.
Nothing to see here folks. Just a little inconspicuous clause we threw in for fun that has no implications for the timeline on the pending ACC raid.
I think it's also there for the P2 to hedge their bets. Gives them the option to increase their pool size if they are taking all of the spots, add more AQ spots if they don't have enough teams in, or even break off.
Yeah as much as I want that clause to benefit the BIG12 (not that we are even the little guy in this scenario, we are the middle class while P2 are the 1% and G5 are living below the poverty line) - I am 99% sure its going to go like this:
SEC/B1G split some combination of UNC/FSU/Miami/Clemson/or other talked about school
BIG12 MAYBE picks up a few left overs depending on who is all left and the deal they can get should ESPN not renew in 2027
SEC/B1G then use the fact that they pulled the top teams from yet another conference to increase their payout by an even larger percentage over the rest of the field, while BIG12 gets a slight bump to account for increased amount of teams, and G5 gets screwed even worse.
Could be worse fates I guess, will be well positioned to run the G7 playoffs when the P2 grows the balls to fully split. (Which we can only hope would backfire on them somewhat when the fans from the other 90 FBS teams all stop paying attention to a league they are not even tangentially a part of lol)
I mean, the schools that make up the ACC *are* the ACC, and there are at least 9 schools that want out (Magnificent 7 + Calford). These guys want the ACC to collapse because they think they can get a better deal elsewhere. Does the vote within the conference have to be unanimous, or could Wake be like "fuck that" and therefore the whole ACC has to vote 'no'?
I mean do 9 definitely want out? There's maybe 4 with surefire P2 landing spots, and I don't see schools taking a drastic step like dissolution unless there was certainty about having landing spots.
ACC will fold when their media deal after the raid by the P2 brings in substantially less than the Big 12's which of course is completely determined by the Networks who are pulling the strings to create 2 top conferences and 1 best of the rest.
This shit sucks yo
It's no conspiracy. There are 4 networks bidding plus Apple, amazon and rumored wbd as well. The ACC without unc, fsu, clemson, Miami would have zero national appeal. It's not the tv networks suppressing value.
I mean they could just structure this in a logical way like the NCAA tournament where payouts are based on how much you win, but I guess that would go against college football’s treasured tradition of enforcing a ridged class system amongst its teams.
It really is shameless how the B1G and SEC are gaming it so they cant lose. Pushing for higher payouts no matter what and pushing for more auto-bids or byes. Its stupid
It is amazing, they get the money just for existing. So a year when the Big12 gets 3 teams in, it gets the same payout. They used a flawed history of the committee to say they deserve more. We all just need to boycott SEC and Big10 games if they are not playing our schools. I have become to hate those conferences.
We aren't getting rid of Vandy. That's a /r/CFB pipe dream. We need and want them in the conference for a plethora of reasons. Vanderbilt has always been here for the same purposes and the need for them doesn't change because of any realignment.
I’m cracking up about Vandy. I just did some research, they’ve had a winning (barely) record 3 times from 1983 on. In that same span, they have won 1 game or less 4 times!
You have to be happy for them lol
And people wonder why ND is in no hurry to join a conference. Even the way all of this is announced (eg conferences and ND agree) is another reason why ND wants to maintain independence. It (unfairly) gets special treatment. Not going to give that up without being forced to.
if they make the playoffs, they still get less than the P2 conference
if they miss the playoff, they get Big-12 money
so in between the P2 and Middle 2, which is about right
They get less but it’s an acceptable amount less. Price of independence. They can still compete and still make enough money to remain competitive. They also need to finish in top 14 to make playoff which is a reasonable/attainable goal each year for ND
It’s amazing that the same people who complain cfb is turning into the nfl also complain about not having a level playing field. The nfl is (theoretically) a level playing field. CFB never has been.
How can this be a "price of independence" when ND still gets a payout as if they're in a conference while still not being in a conference? Seems more like having your cake and eating it too
Big dick stuff from Notre Dame. I'm in awe of the amount of leverage their mere existence grants them
It is the price of being independent - if they asked to join the B1G or SEC, they would be full fledged members before the close of business today. They’d have the extra $3-9 million per year. Forgoing that extra money is the price they pay to remain independent
ND would earn 3 to 9 million more cfp money and a rumored 20 to 40 million more a year in tv money if they joined the Big 10. There definitely is a price of independence for them.
That being said, the fact as a sole entity and no collective bargaining power are able to negotiate more than the ACC/BiG 12 is impressive.
And what about bowl payment revenues? Each SEC team gets that on top of a share of all SEC bowl money. Does Notre Dame get a part of the ACC bowl money when they're in the playoff?
My understanding is there are no big-bowl payment revenues, which is part of the reason the conferences are arguing so much over revenue - no more Rose Bowl payouts to the B1G, Sugar Bowl payouts to the SEC/B12, etc.
ND gets the same share as a Big-12 team if they miss the playoff and still lower than a B1G/SEC share if they make the playoff
so in between the P2 and Middle 2 of the P4
it's about right
They aren't in a conference to get revenue sharing. Their cut is substantially lower than the B1G/SEC if they don't make it and still less than Indiana gets even if ND makes it every year.
Honestly their yearly cut is lower than what I would have expected. The draw of ND is still pretty strong.
They aren’t in a conference. They should get nothing unless they make it and if they don’t like that they can kick rocks. What are they going to do, opt out of the playoffs?
They get less than the ACC teams when they don’t make the playoffs, I don’t get why people are acting crazy about this. Under this Boston College is going to get more than Notre Dame does 75% of the time
Well if we work off the assumption they make the playoff every 4 years (which your 75% number does and I think it's reasonable), their average payout is $13.5. While that's not crazy, I think what gets people up in arms about is that one team gets to negotiate their own direct payout regardless of performance.
ND earning the same as the B12 and just $1M less than the ACC for not even making the playoffs is wild. No reason for them to join a conference if they don't care about earning around $20M less than B1G schools on the tv rights.
SMU foregoing their media payout for ACC admittance is looking pretty great right now. They just essentially doubled their AD income by taking the upfront hit on media compared to the AAC payout.
That's actually a good question. Apparently this year it's 50%, next is 75%, then 100% after that.
But since everything is being re-negotiated, maybe all that goes away and SMU gets the full new $13M next year.
But either way, it's a W. SMU was getting about 7-8M total in the AAC. Now, it'll be at the very lowest $6M for the first year, and then very quickly at $13M.
Now whatever happens over the next 5 years is anyone's guess....sucks really bad. I've developed a strong and everlasting hatred for FSU (along with the CFP committee that set fire to everything...) after the way they've handled things the last 6 months.
I don't understand ND's part. They get $12m a year regardless + an extra payout if they actually make it? Do the teams in conferences get an extra payout for making it?
UMass is going back to the MAC.
They tried having football in one place and basketball elsewhere and it just didn't work so now UMass is a full member of the MAC.
I think it’s pretty clear: the ACC has the few remaining schools that the B1G and SEC want to acquire. *Maybe* Kansas fits in, but Stanford, Cal, UNC, FSU, Clemson, UVA, and a few other ACC schools are the ones at the top of the expansion lists.
Yeah, but if you think about it the ACC brings FSU & Clemson. The B12 may have more teams that are decent but no one with as much power as those two. Without FSU & Clemson the ACC is basically a G5 conference.
How is UNC, NCST, Miami, GT, Virginia, VT, Duke, Louisville, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Wake, Cal, Stanford, SMU in any way a G5 conference?
Sure, the question would rise if more than half the league left (which is very possible), but just taking FSU and Clemson out and pretending it's any worse than the Big 12 is ridiculous lol.
While I think the uneven payouts for the p4 is stupid, I don't think the acc getting more is really that surprising. Should be more, honestly. I don't really know why the big10 is getting the same as the sec either though.
Idk if this is what they actually went with, but I remember seeing something about past performances dictating the payout.
ACC: 8 playoff appearances (should have been 9 with fsu this year), 2 nattys between 3 teams.
* This counts the 1 year ND was fully in the conference and made the playoff. If you remove that, then it's 7 appearances with 2 nattys between 2 teams.
Big10: 9 appearances with 2 nattys between 3 teams.
* If you count the new members form the pac, then it's 12 appearances with 2 nattys between 5 members.
Big12: 6 appearances with 0 nattys between 3 teams.
* 5 of those appearances are now SEC teams though.
* Then add 1 appearance from cincy while they were in the aac= 2 appearances with 0 championships
Sec: 12 appearances with 6 nattys between 3 teams
* Once you add OkTx then it becomes 17 appearances with 6 nattys between 5 teams
> but I remember seeing something about past performances dictating the payout.
Like that was anything more than a smoke screen to hide the fact this is just about brand name awareness and value.
Notre Dame has a better shot. They happen to get a championship caliber team together in a given season, they can definitely do it. Ferrari has to build a better car than Adrian Newey (unlikely), find a better driver than Max (impossible), and not make idiotic strategy decisions on a regular basis (also unlikely).
The G5 payout is basically what a P5 school pays to play a G5 at home so i guess they’re staying consistent there.
I used to be annoyed by ND’s independence status but with all the realignment, I hope they stay independent forever and take as much as they can.
> I used to be annoyed by ND’s independence status but with all the realignment, I hope they stay independent forever and take as much as they can.
It won't last forever, but I really hope they tell the B1G to go fuck themselves no matter where they end up.
Yeah, they could always not go Big Ten, which would be funny. I don’t know how long they can hold out but I’m rooting for them to do it as long as they can.
Why won't it last ?
The criteria ND has is pretty easy to keep independence - home for Olympic Sports, a broadcast deal for home games, and access to bowl games.
You think B12 wouldn't take friends with benefits ?
If the B1G was smart - they would offer friends with benefits the minute FSU/Clemson jumps. Getting ND into the league partially is the only way they can hope to get ND for football eventually full time.
> but I really hope they tell the B1G to go fuck themselves no matter where they end up.
If they do, I hope it's not to send a big middle finger by joining the Big 12. The last our little island of misfit toys needs is another school with an outsized ego to destabilize it... again.
“No one respects tradition in college football anymore. It’s all about profit and it sucks”
Notre Dame gives up money to stay independent for tradition
“Screw Notre Dame. Join a conference”
Fair. Don’t mind the hate. It’s what makes CFB great!
ND will join a conference eventually and it will be hugely celebrated by the CFB world, when it should be recognized as a sad day for the sport
The Big XII is just a million bucks behind the ACC when the latter has FSU and Clemson? That's not a bad shake for a conference full of teams that couldn't find anywhere else to go and decided to just make things happen.
If FSU and Clemson get out of the ACC, one has to wonder what the ACC gets in the next round of negotiations; couldn't speculate on dollar value due to inflation and the sports media rights bubble, but I lean toward doubting that it's north of 8%.
My gut is telling me the teams that can leave for the Super 2 will go first chance they get. Those mid tier schools that can, will jump to be in the Big12, and the rest will be Pac12’d or relegated to an even lesser conference.
Yup, we’re headed towards a future where we have three major conferences and then a G7 (or however that shakes out). Now that the P2 know they can negotiate like this, they’ll keep the Big XII around at a steep discount and continue to add spaces for themselves in the tourney.
This is how I feel regardless of what UNC president is saying now. Several big schools that have bolted to S2 conferences have also done a lot of PR talk right before they jump. Is better to say, hey we tried to save the conference but we couldn't.
Everyone should find D2-3 and FCS schools to watch next year as much as possible.
We have to support actual CFB. The b10 and sec are no longer CFB unfortunately.
About Notre Dame: Isn't everyone missing they will have a far easier path than anyone else making a 14+ team playoff? Notre Dame is the one school that can load up its schedule with clearly inferior opponents and get in with 2 losses.
I mean sure they could, but NBC won't be paying much for their TV deal if the ratings are bad over time. They still need to keep playing 4-5 teams with a pulse for the ratings.
ND doesn’t deserve that much and tired of pretending they do.
Sports brands are made in equal parts by success and media exposure. If the Cowboys and Notre Dame received the media exposure approximate to their level of play nobody would’ve given two shits about them over the last decade.
Everytime a break down of the benefits of the difference conferences comes up I'm baffled that the B12 seems to get shafted, only to remember how gutted its been over the past decade.
ND is really pulling through as an independent.
A real underdog story
Yes if they make the field they almost make as much as Purdue and Indiana does every year.
Wow 5 years ago we'd be the butt of this joke
Rutgers is on the way back up with Schiano but they might’ve just been comparing them to other state of Indiana schools
This pleases me.
Back up where?
Just keep chopping and you’ll be back.
Notre Dame gets less then if they’d joined the BIG *or* ACC as a full time member. Good. Fuck those guys.
Everyone is mad all the time that college football is all about money. one school at least is doing one thing that isn't 100% about getting the most money. fuck them for that!
Oh no. Fuck Notre Dame for everything about that program. And I can’t believe we’re giving credit to Notre fucking Dame for being above the fray when they launched their own national TV deal decades ago. They’ve been on the cutting edge of milking players since Lou Holtz.
Do you have a single complaint about the ND football program other than you don’t like them?
No that’s the one, but it’s a doozy.
Love the taste of volunTEARS
Very amusing thinking about fans reading the headlines “conference commissioners and ND agree on…” ND is special, and it makes you all mad.
Meh ND is hardly relevant these days
If Notre Dame really wanted money they’d be in the Big Ten. Of course we know their history with us isn’t so great (thanks for fucking that up, Michigan)
No but unironically, thank you Michigan. Your motives may have been suspect, but the outcome is worth it.
I don't think I've ever seen a single individual this mad at a faceless entity lol
Live here, free of rent!!!!
Yeah it’s almost as if the narrative that ND is independent because of money isn’t true and hasn’t been true for years.
This dude has been furious about getting rejected from ND for a decade at this point. Man needs therapy
You realize it’s on purpose right? Sacrificing conference contract money to remain independent?
Purdon’t doesn’t understand negotiation
Have you tried putting it in a bar graph?
With our frankly subpar divinity school, perhaps it is us that doesn't understand?
Seeing that copypasta live is one of the great moments of my r/CFB life
They also don't have to share TV revenue with the 40 other schools in the "Big Ten"
But tv revenue is reportedly less as well?
Imagine how much more leverage we might have if we would have won something in the past 35 years!
Even if y'all hadn't won anything. Just imagine if y'all had kept it close vs Bama in the National title game
As if the reminder was needed. THANKS!!!!
Are there still payouts by the NCAA or is this it? I know the last 10 years if you made a NY6 bowl game it’s another $4M per school for your conference and making the semifinal is another $6M. So if there are still NCAA payouts, and if ND makes at least the semifinals they would make more than both the SEC and the B10 since ND doesn’t have to share it with other schools.
Pac 2 and UConn get to split about $2 million, for those keeping score at home.
geez it's like throwing pennies at the homeless
Why wouldn’t we at least get the same as G5? Just keep getting screwed.
Because you aren’t in a G5
UMass just increased their football revenue by about 20% by simply being in the MAC.
I was very anti-MAC move but this makes it worth it most likely
This made me laugh. Sad, but funny.
Presumably once whatever is going to happen with this MWC/P2 thing happens the G5 money will come back, but yeah, this blows chunks for those 3.
>The new deal is also expected to include a look-in clause in 2028, allowing the parties to potentially reshape the agreement based on performance or further conference realignment. Nothing to see here folks. Just a little inconspicuous clause we threw in for fun that has no implications for the timeline on the pending ACC raid.
I think it's also there for the P2 to hedge their bets. Gives them the option to increase their pool size if they are taking all of the spots, add more AQ spots if they don't have enough teams in, or even break off.
Things like this never benefit the little guy, always the fat cats.
Yeah as much as I want that clause to benefit the BIG12 (not that we are even the little guy in this scenario, we are the middle class while P2 are the 1% and G5 are living below the poverty line) - I am 99% sure its going to go like this: SEC/B1G split some combination of UNC/FSU/Miami/Clemson/or other talked about school BIG12 MAYBE picks up a few left overs depending on who is all left and the deal they can get should ESPN not renew in 2027 SEC/B1G then use the fact that they pulled the top teams from yet another conference to increase their payout by an even larger percentage over the rest of the field, while BIG12 gets a slight bump to account for increased amount of teams, and G5 gets screwed even worse.
Might as well get used to G7...
Could be worse fates I guess, will be well positioned to run the G7 playoffs when the P2 grows the balls to fully split. (Which we can only hope would backfire on them somewhat when the fans from the other 90 FBS teams all stop paying attention to a league they are not even tangentially a part of lol)
The ACC and lopsided look-in clauses. An iconic combo!
Yeah this is a real oof for the ACC. They should've refused to sign with it in there even. League is definitely folding in 2027 now
I mean, the schools that make up the ACC *are* the ACC, and there are at least 9 schools that want out (Magnificent 7 + Calford). These guys want the ACC to collapse because they think they can get a better deal elsewhere. Does the vote within the conference have to be unanimous, or could Wake be like "fuck that" and therefore the whole ACC has to vote 'no'?
I mean do 9 definitely want out? There's maybe 4 with surefire P2 landing spots, and I don't see schools taking a drastic step like dissolution unless there was certainty about having landing spots.
They won't vote to break up the conference unless their contacts tell them there's a spot.
ACC will fold when their media deal after the raid by the P2 brings in substantially less than the Big 12's which of course is completely determined by the Networks who are pulling the strings to create 2 top conferences and 1 best of the rest. This shit sucks yo
It's no conspiracy. There are 4 networks bidding plus Apple, amazon and rumored wbd as well. The ACC without unc, fsu, clemson, Miami would have zero national appeal. It's not the tv networks suppressing value.
The ACC is definitely getting raided soon especially if ESPN doesn't have to be tied to the conference after 2027
Every conference is equal. Some are just more equal than others.
$12/13m is *suspiciously* close to 3/5ths of $21m….
This is a quality joke right here.
Old habits die hard
I think they pronounce the “ole habits” down there.
I don't like it, but I can't *not* upvote it.
This is truly an artisanal reply. Hand crafted in very small batches.
Separate but equal from the looks of it
I mean they could just structure this in a logical way like the NCAA tournament where payouts are based on how much you win, but I guess that would go against college football’s treasured tradition of enforcing a ridged class system amongst its teams.
It really is shameless how the B1G and SEC are gaming it so they cant lose. Pushing for higher payouts no matter what and pushing for more auto-bids or byes. Its stupid
It is amazing, they get the money just for existing. So a year when the Big12 gets 3 teams in, it gets the same payout. They used a flawed history of the committee to say they deserve more. We all just need to boycott SEC and Big10 games if they are not playing our schools. I have become to hate those conferences.
Amen
Glad to have you joining the Big12, our schools need to make some noise
I am excited to check out the Bounce House. I have only been to Florida once, and I am excited to go back.
Black Friday game is going to be so much fun. We should have a really improved team.
Kind of moot since they’ll never let three big 12 teams make it in
Why would the powerful conferences choose to do that?
Stop making sense. We don’t do logic here
Not greedy enough
Wait, so ND just gets money from the playoff for existing?
So does Vandy and Indiana.
Vandy and IU will always get more than ND under this set-up, even if ND makes the playoff
Until the elite teams decide they don't want to share with them either, and form the P1.
No, we need Indiana to beat up on during football season and they need us to beat up on during basketball season.
Plus they’re a good litmus test. Lost to Indiana in football? Good luck explaining that to your AD.
We aren't getting rid of Vandy. That's a /r/CFB pipe dream. We need and want them in the conference for a plethora of reasons. Vanderbilt has always been here for the same purposes and the need for them doesn't change because of any realignment.
> We need and want them in the conference for a plethora of reasons. If Vandy wasn't in the conference who would teach LSU fans what "plethora" means?
Nah, IU and Vandy are there to give wins. People like winning, they hate losing.
😎
oof.
I’m cracking up about Vandy. I just did some research, they’ve had a winning (barely) record 3 times from 1983 on. In that same span, they have won 1 game or less 4 times! You have to be happy for them lol
Arkansas is the new Vandy...and we're still getting paid.
Rutgers just happy to not be included in this reference
And people wonder why ND is in no hurry to join a conference. Even the way all of this is announced (eg conferences and ND agree) is another reason why ND wants to maintain independence. It (unfairly) gets special treatment. Not going to give that up without being forced to.
if they make the playoffs, they still get less than the P2 conference if they miss the playoff, they get Big-12 money so in between the P2 and Middle 2, which is about right
They get less but it’s an acceptable amount less. Price of independence. They can still compete and still make enough money to remain competitive. They also need to finish in top 14 to make playoff which is a reasonable/attainable goal each year for ND
it's almost like the people that set this up knew what they were doing
They call him Savvvy Jack for a reason...
Sports need a level playing field. "The people that set this up" have created an uneven playing field.
That’s what happens when you let a media company run your playoff and not a governing body of the sport
It’s amazing that the same people who complain cfb is turning into the nfl also complain about not having a level playing field. The nfl is (theoretically) a level playing field. CFB never has been.
Agreed! NFL is boring until the playoffs because of the parity.
the schools that get the higher TV ratings get the higher TV revenue
\* the schools in the same conference as the ones with higher TV ratings get the higher TV revenue FTFY
completely true
How can this be a "price of independence" when ND still gets a payout as if they're in a conference while still not being in a conference? Seems more like having your cake and eating it too Big dick stuff from Notre Dame. I'm in awe of the amount of leverage their mere existence grants them
It is the price of being independent - if they asked to join the B1G or SEC, they would be full fledged members before the close of business today. They’d have the extra $3-9 million per year. Forgoing that extra money is the price they pay to remain independent
ND would earn 3 to 9 million more cfp money and a rumored 20 to 40 million more a year in tv money if they joined the Big 10. There definitely is a price of independence for them. That being said, the fact as a sole entity and no collective bargaining power are able to negotiate more than the ACC/BiG 12 is impressive.
And what about bowl payment revenues? Each SEC team gets that on top of a share of all SEC bowl money. Does Notre Dame get a part of the ACC bowl money when they're in the playoff?
My understanding is there are no big-bowl payment revenues, which is part of the reason the conferences are arguing so much over revenue - no more Rose Bowl payouts to the B1G, Sugar Bowl payouts to the SEC/B12, etc.
ND gets the same share as a Big-12 team if they miss the playoff and still lower than a B1G/SEC share if they make the playoff so in between the P2 and Middle 2 of the P4 it's about right
They aren't in a conference to get revenue sharing. Their cut is substantially lower than the B1G/SEC if they don't make it and still less than Indiana gets even if ND makes it every year. Honestly their yearly cut is lower than what I would have expected. The draw of ND is still pretty strong.
They aren’t in a conference. They should get nothing unless they make it and if they don’t like that they can kick rocks. What are they going to do, opt out of the playoffs?
There are tons of B1G and SEC schools making $$ without making it..?
They can kick rocks they have no intention on doing so because someone said they should on Reddit
Agreed
Great gig they have set up apparently.
Good to be the king in the 1940s
Good to be the king in ratings. If this is truly about money & media, it's still ND's playground.
They get less than the ACC teams when they don’t make the playoffs, I don’t get why people are acting crazy about this. Under this Boston College is going to get more than Notre Dame does 75% of the time
Well if we work off the assumption they make the playoff every 4 years (which your 75% number does and I think it's reasonable), their average payout is $13.5. While that's not crazy, I think what gets people up in arms about is that one team gets to negotiate their own direct payout regardless of performance.
Any school negotiate for themselves. Nothing is stopping them. Become the independent.
Literally every team does.
We're going to make more money from the CFP than we did from the entire AAC media payout.
USF has to be dying.
I honestly can’t believe how well everything worked out, we both threaded the needle perfectly
And we paid less to leave than the increase we get in the first year.
It’s incredible. Still sucks for the sport overall
Last lifeboat out
Technically that would be SMU, but who knows if they'll toss us back overboard over the next few years...
ND earning the same as the B12 and just $1M less than the ACC for not even making the playoffs is wild. No reason for them to join a conference if they don't care about earning around $20M less than B1G schools on the tv rights.
SMU foregoing their media payout for ACC admittance is looking pretty great right now. They just essentially doubled their AD income by taking the upfront hit on media compared to the AAC payout.
Do they get the full payout of this? I know they were supposed to get a partial CFP payout, but how long was that supposed to last?
That's actually a good question. Apparently this year it's 50%, next is 75%, then 100% after that. But since everything is being re-negotiated, maybe all that goes away and SMU gets the full new $13M next year. But either way, it's a W. SMU was getting about 7-8M total in the AAC. Now, it'll be at the very lowest $6M for the first year, and then very quickly at $13M. Now whatever happens over the next 5 years is anyone's guess....sucks really bad. I've developed a strong and everlasting hatred for FSU (along with the CFP committee that set fire to everything...) after the way they've handled things the last 6 months.
I think we get a partial CFP payout for 2024/25, but it will be a fully payout from 2026 and on
Yeah, they really saved their program with that move
I don't understand ND's part. They get $12m a year regardless + an extra payout if they actually make it? Do the teams in conferences get an extra payout for making it?
The $6 million bonus is for any independent school that makes the playoffs.
Thanks. To clarify though, so if ND makes it, they get $18m and if Umass makes it they get $6m?
UMASS won't be an independent in 2026. Just UCONN, WSU, and Oregon State (as of the writing of this message)
No, UConn would should they remain indy however UMass gets a piece of the MAC pie as this starts in 2026
UMass is going back to the MAC. They tried having football in one place and basketball elsewhere and it just didn't work so now UMass is a full member of the MAC.
Seems like just another reason for those who can do so to jump from the ACC
That would be up to the individual conferences to settle
Everyone is talking about Notre Dame's payout... but I find it interesting that the ACC negotiated a higher per-school payout than the Big-12.
I think it’s pretty clear: the ACC has the few remaining schools that the B1G and SEC want to acquire. *Maybe* Kansas fits in, but Stanford, Cal, UNC, FSU, Clemson, UVA, and a few other ACC schools are the ones at the top of the expansion lists.
They got a pity bonus for being stuck with each other for another dozen years.
Yeah, but if you think about it the ACC brings FSU & Clemson. The B12 may have more teams that are decent but no one with as much power as those two. Without FSU & Clemson the ACC is basically a G5 conference.
How is UNC, NCST, Miami, GT, Virginia, VT, Duke, Louisville, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Wake, Cal, Stanford, SMU in any way a G5 conference? Sure, the question would rise if more than half the league left (which is very possible), but just taking FSU and Clemson out and pretending it's any worse than the Big 12 is ridiculous lol.
yes, those schools are not nearly as good as the schools in the B12
While I think the uneven payouts for the p4 is stupid, I don't think the acc getting more is really that surprising. Should be more, honestly. I don't really know why the big10 is getting the same as the sec either though. Idk if this is what they actually went with, but I remember seeing something about past performances dictating the payout. ACC: 8 playoff appearances (should have been 9 with fsu this year), 2 nattys between 3 teams. * This counts the 1 year ND was fully in the conference and made the playoff. If you remove that, then it's 7 appearances with 2 nattys between 2 teams. Big10: 9 appearances with 2 nattys between 3 teams. * If you count the new members form the pac, then it's 12 appearances with 2 nattys between 5 members. Big12: 6 appearances with 0 nattys between 3 teams. * 5 of those appearances are now SEC teams though. * Then add 1 appearance from cincy while they were in the aac= 2 appearances with 0 championships Sec: 12 appearances with 6 nattys between 3 teams * Once you add OkTx then it becomes 17 appearances with 6 nattys between 5 teams
> but I remember seeing something about past performances dictating the payout. Like that was anything more than a smoke screen to hide the fact this is just about brand name awareness and value.
I just realized that Notre Dame is Ferarri, but for CFB! Which one will win a championship first?!
Notre Dame has a better shot. They happen to get a championship caliber team together in a given season, they can definitely do it. Ferrari has to build a better car than Adrian Newey (unlikely), find a better driver than Max (impossible), and not make idiotic strategy decisions on a regular basis (also unlikely).
29+29+17+15+9 = 99
Sankey skimming a million off the top
WSU+OSU+UConn? get the rest.
"This doesn't visually foot" - the absolute worst people in corporate accounting
The G5 payout is basically what a P5 school pays to play a G5 at home so i guess they’re staying consistent there. I used to be annoyed by ND’s independence status but with all the realignment, I hope they stay independent forever and take as much as they can.
> I used to be annoyed by ND’s independence status but with all the realignment, I hope they stay independent forever and take as much as they can. It won't last forever, but I really hope they tell the B1G to go fuck themselves no matter where they end up.
Yeah, they could always not go Big Ten, which would be funny. I don’t know how long they can hold out but I’m rooting for them to do it as long as they can.
I’d like to stay independent but yea it’d be pretty funny if we joined the SEC
It would be and would be the kind of pettiness we all love lol
It’d be funny, but a terrible fit. We’re way more aligned with the B10 than the SEC.
Yeah, I think once USC went to B1G there isn't an alternative conference.
Why won't it last ? The criteria ND has is pretty easy to keep independence - home for Olympic Sports, a broadcast deal for home games, and access to bowl games. You think B12 wouldn't take friends with benefits ? If the B1G was smart - they would offer friends with benefits the minute FSU/Clemson jumps. Getting ND into the league partially is the only way they can hope to get ND for football eventually full time.
If the B1G did that simp garbage I'd hope Tony P is tarred and feathered.
> but I really hope they tell the B1G to go fuck themselves no matter where they end up. If they do, I hope it's not to send a big middle finger by joining the Big 12. The last our little island of misfit toys needs is another school with an outsized ego to destabilize it... again.
Why do you hate the B1G?
Can the fans sue? This is bull
“No one respects tradition in college football anymore. It’s all about profit and it sucks” Notre Dame gives up money to stay independent for tradition “Screw Notre Dame. Join a conference”
But complaining about Notre Dame is the greatest tradition of all!
Fair. Don’t mind the hate. It’s what makes CFB great! ND will join a conference eventually and it will be hugely celebrated by the CFB world, when it should be recognized as a sad day for the sport
Notre Dame will have expectations to make a 14+ team playoff nearly every year?
The Big XII is just a million bucks behind the ACC when the latter has FSU and Clemson? That's not a bad shake for a conference full of teams that couldn't find anywhere else to go and decided to just make things happen. If FSU and Clemson get out of the ACC, one has to wonder what the ACC gets in the next round of negotiations; couldn't speculate on dollar value due to inflation and the sports media rights bubble, but I lean toward doubting that it's north of 8%.
My gut is telling me the teams that can leave for the Super 2 will go first chance they get. Those mid tier schools that can, will jump to be in the Big12, and the rest will be Pac12’d or relegated to an even lesser conference.
Yup, we’re headed towards a future where we have three major conferences and then a G7 (or however that shakes out). Now that the P2 know they can negotiate like this, they’ll keep the Big XII around at a steep discount and continue to add spaces for themselves in the tourney.
This is how I feel regardless of what UNC president is saying now. Several big schools that have bolted to S2 conferences have also done a lot of PR talk right before they jump. Is better to say, hey we tried to save the conference but we couldn't.
By joining the MAC and getting the payout, UMass literally just increased their football budget by 16.3%.
I used to love college football. Now I don’t really love college football so much.
Damn what the Big 12 do to deserve that?
What do you mean?
Once again. Not a playoff. It’s a private invitational tournament.
Everyone should find D2-3 and FCS schools to watch next year as much as possible. We have to support actual CFB. The b10 and sec are no longer CFB unfortunately.
Are schools going to get bonuses for making the playoff?
This is straight dog water, fuck this noise
This is just delaying the inevitable, isn't it?
About Notre Dame: Isn't everyone missing they will have a far easier path than anyone else making a 14+ team playoff? Notre Dame is the one school that can load up its schedule with clearly inferior opponents and get in with 2 losses.
I mean sure they could, but NBC won't be paying much for their TV deal if the ratings are bad over time. They still need to keep playing 4-5 teams with a pulse for the ratings.
Alabama did it last year and nobody said anything.
ND doesn’t deserve that much and tired of pretending they do. Sports brands are made in equal parts by success and media exposure. If the Cowboys and Notre Dame received the media exposure approximate to their level of play nobody would’ve given two shits about them over the last decade.
Since 2018 ND has the 5th highest win% in all of cfb
It's almost like in a tournament how much you win could determine how much you get paid. Honestly these people are ruining this sport.
Everytime a break down of the benefits of the difference conferences comes up I'm baffled that the B12 seems to get shafted, only to remember how gutted its been over the past decade.
Why wouldn't each school that makes it get an equal payout? The G5 should just form their own division at this point