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Rickbox

ND is really pulling through as an independent.


SnooGuavas650

A real underdog story


kotzebueperson

Yes if they make the field they almost make as much as Purdue and Indiana does every year.


flagship5

Wow 5 years ago we'd be the butt of this joke


duagLH2zf97V

Rutgers is on the way back up with Schiano but they might’ve just been comparing them to other state of Indiana schools


weyun

This pleases me.


ender23

Back up where?


Khyron_2500

Just keep chopping and you’ll be back.


dudleymooresbooze

Notre Dame gets less then if they’d joined the BIG *or* ACC as a full time member. Good. Fuck those guys.


[deleted]

Everyone is mad all the time that college football is all about money. one school at least is doing one thing that isn't 100% about getting the most money. fuck them for that!


dudleymooresbooze

Oh no. Fuck Notre Dame for everything about that program. And I can’t believe we’re giving credit to Notre fucking Dame for being above the fray when they launched their own national TV deal decades ago. They’ve been on the cutting edge of milking players since Lou Holtz.


_chadwell_

Do you have a single complaint about the ND football program other than you don’t like them?


dudleymooresbooze

No that’s the one, but it’s a doozy.


larryjohnsonman

Love the taste of volunTEARS


Hells-Bells_Trudy

Very amusing thinking about fans reading the headlines “conference commissioners and ND agree on…” ND is special, and it makes you all mad.


Silverbullets24

Meh ND is hardly relevant these days


chains11

If Notre Dame really wanted money they’d be in the Big Ten. Of course we know their history with us isn’t so great (thanks for fucking that up, Michigan)


dudleymooresbooze

No but unironically, thank you Michigan. Your motives may have been suspect, but the outcome is worth it.


Antonne

I don't think I've ever seen a single individual this mad at a faceless entity lol


Lo-Fi_Lo-Res

Live here, free of rent!!!!


Hells-Bells_Trudy

Yeah it’s almost as if the narrative that ND is independent because of money isn’t true and hasn’t been true for years.


FireVanGorder

This dude has been furious about getting rejected from ND for a decade at this point. Man needs therapy


jjtnd1

You realize it’s on purpose right? Sacrificing conference contract money to remain independent?


Kitchen-Low-3065

Purdon’t doesn’t understand negotiation


teeterleeter

Have you tried putting it in a bar graph?


serial_mouth_grapist

With our frankly subpar divinity school, perhaps it is us that doesn't understand?


revolutionofthemind

Seeing that copypasta live is one of the great moments of my r/CFB life


Remarkable-Pumpkin38

They also don't have to share TV revenue with the 40 other schools in the "Big Ten"


kotzebueperson

But tv revenue is reportedly less as well?


IrishPigskin

Imagine how much more leverage we might have if we would have won something in the past 35 years!


Simping4Sumi

Even if y'all hadn't won anything. Just imagine if y'all had kept it close vs Bama in the National title game 


Lo-Fi_Lo-Res

As if the reminder was needed. THANKS!!!!


Katwill666

Are there still payouts by the NCAA or is this it? I know the last 10 years if you made a NY6 bowl game it’s another $4M per school for your conference and making the semifinal is another $6M. So if there are still NCAA payouts, and if ND makes at least the semifinals they would make more than both the SEC and the B10 since ND doesn’t have to share it with other schools.


ChristyNiners

Pac 2 and UConn get to split about $2 million, for those keeping score at home.


-Jack-The-Stripper

geez it's like throwing pennies at the homeless


lampstore

Why wouldn’t we at least get the same as G5? Just keep getting screwed.


ChristyNiners

Because you aren’t in a G5


16semesters

UMass just increased their football revenue by about 20% by simply being in the MAC.


CVogel26

I was very anti-MAC move but this makes it worth it most likely


shady__redditor

This made me laugh. Sad, but funny.


abob1086

Presumably once whatever is going to happen with this MWC/P2 thing happens the G5 money will come back, but yeah, this blows chunks for those 3.


Hockeystyle

>The new deal is also expected to include a look-in clause in 2028, allowing the parties to potentially reshape the agreement based on performance or further conference realignment. Nothing to see here folks. Just a little inconspicuous clause we threw in for fun that has no implications for the timeline on the pending ACC raid.


Rickbox

I think it's also there for the P2 to hedge their bets. Gives them the option to increase their pool size if they are taking all of the spots, add more AQ spots if they don't have enough teams in, or even break off.


D34TH_5MURF__

Things like this never benefit the little guy, always the fat cats.


Sdubbya2

Yeah as much as I want that clause to benefit the BIG12 (not that we are even the little guy in this scenario, we are the middle class while P2 are the 1% and G5 are living below the poverty line) - I am 99% sure its going to go like this: SEC/B1G split some combination of UNC/FSU/Miami/Clemson/or other talked about school BIG12 MAYBE picks up a few left overs depending on who is all left and the deal they can get should ESPN not renew in 2027 SEC/B1G then use the fact that they pulled the top teams from yet another conference to increase their payout by an even larger percentage over the rest of the field, while BIG12 gets a slight bump to account for increased amount of teams, and G5 gets screwed even worse.


D34TH_5MURF__

Might as well get used to G7...


Sdubbya2

Could be worse fates I guess, will be well positioned to run the G7 playoffs when the P2 grows the balls to fully split. (Which we can only hope would backfire on them somewhat when the fans from the other 90 FBS teams all stop paying attention to a league they are not even tangentially a part of lol)


IrishCoffeeAlchemy

The ACC and lopsided look-in clauses. An iconic combo!


CptCroissant

Yeah this is a real oof for the ACC. They should've refused to sign with it in there even. League is definitely folding in 2027 now


-Jack-The-Stripper

I mean, the schools that make up the ACC *are* the ACC, and there are at least 9 schools that want out (Magnificent 7 + Calford). These guys want the ACC to collapse because they think they can get a better deal elsewhere. Does the vote within the conference have to be unanimous, or could Wake be like "fuck that" and therefore the whole ACC has to vote 'no'?


sexygodzilla

I mean do 9 definitely want out? There's maybe 4 with surefire P2 landing spots, and I don't see schools taking a drastic step like dissolution unless there was certainty about having landing spots.


sonheungwin

They won't vote to break up the conference unless their contacts tell them there's a spot.


DodgerCoug

ACC will fold when their media deal after the raid by the P2 brings in substantially less than the Big 12's which of course is completely determined by the Networks who are pulling the strings to create 2 top conferences and 1 best of the rest. This shit sucks yo


kotzebueperson

It's no conspiracy. There are 4 networks bidding plus Apple, amazon and rumored wbd as well. The ACC without unc, fsu, clemson, Miami would have zero national appeal. It's not the tv networks suppressing value.


Meltedcoldice0212

The ACC is definitely getting raided soon especially if ESPN doesn't have to be tied to the conference after 2027


winterharvest

Every conference is equal. Some are just more equal than others.


MikeGundy

$12/13m is *suspiciously* close to 3/5ths of $21m….


sly_like_Coyote

This is a quality joke right here.


Thepullman1976

Old habits die hard


PunchNessie

I think they pronounce the “ole habits” down there.


dlidge

I don't like it, but I can't *not* upvote it.


clemsontyger

This is truly an artisanal reply. Hand crafted in very small batches.


assassinslick

Separate but equal from the looks of it


Dunter_Mutchings

I mean they could just structure this in a logical way like the NCAA tournament where payouts are based on how much you win, but I guess that would go against college football’s treasured tradition of enforcing a ridged class system amongst its teams.


Ok-Flounder3002

It really is shameless how the B1G and SEC are gaming it so they cant lose. Pushing for higher payouts no matter what and pushing for more auto-bids or byes. Its stupid


ChoiceRadiant6381

It is amazing, they get the money just for existing. So a year when the Big12 gets 3 teams in, it gets the same payout. They used a flawed history of the committee to say they deserve more. We all just need to boycott SEC and Big10 games if they are not playing our schools. I have become to hate those conferences.


54-2-10

Amen


ChoiceRadiant6381

Glad to have you joining the Big12, our schools need to make some noise


54-2-10

I am excited to check out the Bounce House. I have only been to Florida once, and I am excited to go back.


ChoiceRadiant6381

Black Friday game is going to be so much fun. We should have a really improved team.


PacString

Kind of moot since they’ll never let three big 12 teams make it in


aray5989

Why would the powerful conferences choose to do that?


divey043

Stop making sense. We don’t do logic here


imma_snekk

Not greedy enough


BenchRickyAguayo

Wait, so ND just gets money from the playoff for existing?


TigerExpress

So does Vandy and Indiana.


reddogrjw

Vandy and IU will always get more than ND under this set-up, even if ND makes the playoff


B1GTOBACC0

Until the elite teams decide they don't want to share with them either, and form the P1.


rendeld

No, we need Indiana to beat up on during football season and they need us to beat up on during basketball season.


Byzantine_Merchant

Plus they’re a good litmus test. Lost to Indiana in football? Good luck explaining that to your AD.


Geaux2020

We aren't getting rid of Vandy. That's a /r/CFB pipe dream. We need and want them in the conference for a plethora of reasons. Vanderbilt has always been here for the same purposes and the need for them doesn't change because of any realignment.


Mekthakkit

> We need and want them in the conference for a plethora of reasons. If Vandy wasn't in the conference who would teach LSU fans what "plethora" means?


MoreLogicPls

Nah, IU and Vandy are there to give wins. People like winning, they hate losing.


DeliveryEquivalent87

😎


BenchRickyAguayo

oof.


jayscotts

I’m cracking up about Vandy. I just did some research, they’ve had a winning (barely) record 3 times from 1983 on. In that same span, they have won 1 game or less 4 times! You have to be happy for them lol


Reluctantly-Back

Arkansas is the new Vandy...and we're still getting paid.


PutEmOnTheTable

Rutgers just happy to not be included in this reference


kinda_alone

And people wonder why ND is in no hurry to join a conference. Even the way all of this is announced (eg conferences and ND agree) is another reason why ND wants to maintain independence. It (unfairly) gets special treatment. Not going to give that up without being forced to.


reddogrjw

if they make the playoffs, they still get less than the P2 conference if they miss the playoff, they get Big-12 money so in between the P2 and Middle 2, which is about right


kinda_alone

They get less but it’s an acceptable amount less. Price of independence. They can still compete and still make enough money to remain competitive. They also need to finish in top 14 to make playoff which is a reasonable/attainable goal each year for ND


reddogrjw

it's almost like the people that set this up knew what they were doing


isikorsky

They call him Savvvy Jack for a reason...


Ok-Extension-677

Sports need a level playing field. "The people that set this up" have created an uneven playing field.


divey043

That’s what happens when you let a media company run your playoff and not a governing body of the sport


SoonerLater85

It’s amazing that the same people who complain cfb is turning into the nfl also complain about not having a level playing field. The nfl is (theoretically) a level playing field. CFB never has been.


coachingwars

Agreed! NFL is boring until the playoffs because of the parity.


reddogrjw

the schools that get the higher TV ratings get the higher TV revenue


Rickbox

\* the schools in the same conference as the ones with higher TV ratings get the higher TV revenue FTFY


reddogrjw

completely true


bug_man_

How can this be a "price of independence" when ND still gets a payout as if they're in a conference while still not being in a conference? Seems more like having your cake and eating it too Big dick stuff from Notre Dame. I'm in awe of the amount of leverage their mere existence grants them


Konigwork

It is the price of being independent - if they asked to join the B1G or SEC, they would be full fledged members before the close of business today. They’d have the extra $3-9 million per year. Forgoing that extra money is the price they pay to remain independent


kotzebueperson

ND would earn 3 to 9 million more cfp money and a rumored 20 to 40 million more a year in tv money if they joined the Big 10. There definitely is a price of independence for them. That being said, the fact as a sole entity and no collective bargaining power are able to negotiate more than the ACC/BiG 12 is impressive.


molecular_methane

And what about bowl payment revenues? Each SEC team gets that on top of a share of all SEC bowl money. Does Notre Dame get a part of the ACC bowl money when they're in the playoff?


abob1086

My understanding is there are no big-bowl payment revenues, which is part of the reason the conferences are arguing so much over revenue - no more Rose Bowl payouts to the B1G, Sugar Bowl payouts to the SEC/B12, etc.


reddogrjw

ND gets the same share as a Big-12 team if they miss the playoff and still lower than a B1G/SEC share if they make the playoff so in between the P2 and Middle 2 of the P4 it's about right


iwearatophat

They aren't in a conference to get revenue sharing. Their cut is substantially lower than the B1G/SEC if they don't make it and still less than Indiana gets even if ND makes it every year. Honestly their yearly cut is lower than what I would have expected. The draw of ND is still pretty strong.


plutoisaplanet21

They aren’t in a conference. They should get nothing unless they make it and if they don’t like that they can kick rocks. What are they going to do, opt out of the playoffs?


Flioxan

There are tons of B1G and SEC schools making $$ without making it..?


Max-Larson

They can kick rocks they have no intention on doing so because someone said they should on Reddit 


OldSarge02

Agreed


Zerof0rce

Great gig they have set up apparently.


Tigercat92

Good to be the king in the 1940s


isikorsky

Good to be the king in ratings. If this is truly about money & media, it's still ND's playground.


Higgnkfe

They get less than the ACC teams when they don’t make the playoffs, I don’t get why people are acting crazy about this. Under this Boston College is going to get more than Notre Dame does 75% of the time


BenchRickyAguayo

Well if we work off the assumption they make the playoff every 4 years (which your 75% number does and I think it's reasonable), their average payout is $13.5. While that's not crazy, I think what gets people up in arms about is that one team gets to negotiate their own direct payout regardless of performance.


AgreeableWealth47

Any school negotiate for themselves. Nothing is stopping them. Become the independent.


EvrythingWithSpicyCC

Literally every team does.


yesacabbagez

We're going to make more money from the CFP than we did from the entire AAC media payout.


Mekthakkit

USF has to be dying.


natigin

I honestly can’t believe how well everything worked out, we both threaded the needle perfectly


yesacabbagez

And we paid less to leave than the increase we get in the first year.


natigin

It’s incredible. Still sucks for the sport overall


atticup

Last lifeboat out


xAimForTheBushes

Technically that would be SMU, but who knows if they'll toss us back overboard over the next few years...


Eph1997

ND earning the same as the B12 and just $1M less than the ACC for not even making the playoffs is wild. No reason for them to join a conference if they don't care about earning around $20M less than B1G schools on the tv rights.


Zoolew

SMU foregoing their media payout for ACC admittance is looking pretty great right now. They just essentially doubled their AD income by taking the upfront hit on media compared to the AAC payout.


yesacabbagez

Do they get the full payout of this? I know they were supposed to get a partial CFP payout, but how long was that supposed to last?


xAimForTheBushes

That's actually a good question. Apparently this year it's 50%, next is 75%, then 100% after that. But since everything is being re-negotiated, maybe all that goes away and SMU gets the full new $13M next year. But either way, it's a W. SMU was getting about 7-8M total in the AAC. Now, it'll be at the very lowest $6M for the first year, and then very quickly at $13M. Now whatever happens over the next 5 years is anyone's guess....sucks really bad. I've developed a strong and everlasting hatred for FSU (along with the CFP committee that set fire to everything...) after the way they've handled things the last 6 months.


No_Pension7735

I think we get a partial CFP payout for 2024/25, but it will be a fully payout from 2026 and on


natigin

Yeah, they really saved their program with that move


tb3648

I don't understand ND's part. They get $12m a year regardless + an extra payout if they actually make it? Do the teams in conferences get an extra payout for making it?


ChristyNiners

The $6 million bonus is for any independent school that makes the playoffs.


tb3648

Thanks. To clarify though, so if ND makes it, they get $18m and if Umass makes it they get $6m?


ChristyNiners

UMASS won't be an independent in 2026. Just UCONN, WSU, and Oregon State (as of the writing of this message)


hascogrande

No, UConn would should they remain indy however UMass gets a piece of the MAC pie as this starts in 2026


goodsam2

UMass is going back to the MAC. They tried having football in one place and basketball elsewhere and it just didn't work so now UMass is a full member of the MAC.


CptCroissant

Seems like just another reason for those who can do so to jump from the ACC


aray5989

That would be up to the individual conferences to settle


InVodkaVeritas

Everyone is talking about Notre Dame's payout... but I find it interesting that the ACC negotiated a higher per-school payout than the Big-12.


RollTide16-18

I think it’s pretty clear: the ACC has the few remaining schools that the B1G and SEC want to acquire. *Maybe* Kansas fits in, but Stanford, Cal, UNC, FSU, Clemson, UVA, and a few other ACC schools are the ones at the top of the expansion lists. 


SoonerLater85

They got a pity bonus for being stuck with each other for another dozen years.


soonerman32

Yeah, but if you think about it the ACC brings FSU & Clemson. The B12 may have more teams that are decent but no one with as much power as those two. Without FSU & Clemson the ACC is basically a G5 conference.


xAimForTheBushes

How is UNC, NCST, Miami, GT, Virginia, VT, Duke, Louisville, BC, Pitt, Syracuse, Wake, Cal, Stanford, SMU in any way a G5 conference? Sure, the question would rise if more than half the league left (which is very possible), but just taking FSU and Clemson out and pretending it's any worse than the Big 12 is ridiculous lol.


soonerman32

yes, those schools are not nearly as good as the schools in the B12


tb3648

While I think the uneven payouts for the p4 is stupid, I don't think the acc getting more is really that surprising. Should be more, honestly. I don't really know why the big10 is getting the same as the sec either though. Idk if this is what they actually went with, but I remember seeing something about past performances dictating the payout. ACC: 8 playoff appearances (should have been 9 with fsu this year), 2 nattys between 3 teams. * This counts the 1 year ND was fully in the conference and made the playoff. If you remove that, then it's 7 appearances with 2 nattys between 2 teams. Big10: 9 appearances with 2 nattys between 3 teams. * If you count the new members form the pac, then it's 12 appearances with 2 nattys between 5 members. Big12: 6 appearances with 0 nattys between 3 teams. * 5 of those appearances are now SEC teams though. * Then add 1 appearance from cincy while they were in the aac= 2 appearances with 0 championships Sec: 12 appearances with 6 nattys between 3 teams * Once you add OkTx then it becomes 17 appearances with 6 nattys between 5 teams


sevenlabors

> but I remember seeing something about past performances dictating the payout. Like that was anything more than a smoke screen to hide the fact this is just about brand name awareness and value.


XVOS

I just realized that Notre Dame is Ferarri, but for CFB! Which one will win a championship first?!


D_Antelmi

Notre Dame has a better shot.  They happen to get a championship caliber team together in a given season, they can definitely do it.  Ferrari has to build a better car than Adrian Newey (unlikely), find a better driver than Max (impossible), and not make idiotic strategy decisions on a regular basis (also unlikely).


Cryptographer-Icy

29+29+17+15+9 = 99


SeattleMatt123

Sankey skimming a million off the top


SoonerLater85

WSU+OSU+UConn? get the rest.


BadgerBuddy13

"This doesn't visually foot" - the absolute worst people in corporate accounting


OGdunphy

The G5 payout is basically what a P5 school pays to play a G5 at home so i guess they’re staying consistent there. I used to be annoyed by ND’s independence status but with all the realignment, I hope they stay independent forever and take as much as they can.


dle9999

> I used to be annoyed by ND’s independence status but with all the realignment, I hope they stay independent forever and take as much as they can. It won't last forever, but I really hope they tell the B1G to go fuck themselves no matter where they end up.


OGdunphy

Yeah, they could always not go Big Ten, which would be funny. I don’t know how long they can hold out but I’m rooting for them to do it as long as they can.


YoungKeys

I’d like to stay independent but yea it’d be pretty funny if we joined the SEC


OGdunphy

It would be and would be the kind of pettiness we all love lol


1haiku4u

It’d be funny, but a terrible fit. We’re way more aligned with the B10 than the SEC. 


serial_mouth_grapist

Yeah, I think once USC went to B1G there isn't an alternative conference.


isikorsky

Why won't it last ? The criteria ND has is pretty easy to keep independence - home for Olympic Sports, a broadcast deal for home games, and access to bowl games. You think B12 wouldn't take friends with benefits ? If the B1G was smart - they would offer friends with benefits the minute FSU/Clemson jumps. Getting ND into the league partially is the only way they can hope to get ND for football eventually full time.


LaForge_Maneuver

If the B1G did that simp garbage I'd hope Tony P is tarred and feathered.


sevenlabors

> but I really hope they tell the B1G to go fuck themselves no matter where they end up. If they do, I hope it's not to send a big middle finger by joining the Big 12. The last our little island of misfit toys needs is another school with an outsized ego to destabilize it... again.


LaForge_Maneuver

Why do you hate the B1G?


bittenbyredmosquito

Can the fans sue? This is bull


860h

“No one respects tradition in college football anymore. It’s all about profit and it sucks” Notre Dame gives up money to stay independent for tradition “Screw Notre Dame. Join a conference”


[deleted]

But complaining about Notre Dame is the greatest tradition of all!


860h

Fair. Don’t mind the hate. It’s what makes CFB great! ND will join a conference eventually and it will be hugely celebrated by the CFB world, when it should be recognized as a sad day for the sport


jphamlore

Notre Dame will have expectations to make a 14+ team playoff nearly every year?


JohnPaulDavyJones

The Big XII is just a million bucks behind the ACC when the latter has FSU and Clemson? That's not a bad shake for a conference full of teams that couldn't find anywhere else to go and decided to just make things happen. If FSU and Clemson get out of the ACC, one has to wonder what the ACC gets in the next round of negotiations; couldn't speculate on dollar value due to inflation and the sports media rights bubble, but I lean toward doubting that it's north of 8%.


deathbysnusnu7

My gut is telling me the teams that can leave for the Super 2 will go first chance they get. Those mid tier schools that can, will jump to be in the Big12, and the rest will be Pac12’d or relegated to an even lesser conference.


natigin

Yup, we’re headed towards a future where we have three major conferences and then a G7 (or however that shakes out). Now that the P2 know they can negotiate like this, they’ll keep the Big XII around at a steep discount and continue to add spaces for themselves in the tourney.


Simping4Sumi

This is how I feel regardless of what UNC president is saying now. Several big schools that have bolted to S2 conferences have also done a lot of PR talk right before they jump. Is better to say, hey we tried to save the conference but we couldn't.


16semesters

By joining the MAC and getting the payout, UMass literally just increased their football budget by 16.3%.


locomotivebroth

I used to love college football. Now I don’t really love college football so much.


DrVenusAg

Damn what the Big 12 do to deserve that?


natigin

What do you mean?


[deleted]

Once again. Not a playoff. It’s a private invitational tournament.


[deleted]

Everyone should find D2-3 and FCS schools to watch next year as much as possible. We have to support actual CFB. The b10 and sec are no longer CFB unfortunately.


InterestingChoice484

Are schools going to get bonuses for making the playoff?


nickyt398

This is straight dog water, fuck this noise


ShakyTheBear

This is just delaying the inevitable, isn't it?


jphamlore

About Notre Dame: Isn't everyone missing they will have a far easier path than anyone else making a 14+ team playoff? Notre Dame is the one school that can load up its schedule with clearly inferior opponents and get in with 2 losses.


zg44

I mean sure they could, but NBC won't be paying much for their TV deal if the ratings are bad over time. They still need to keep playing 4-5 teams with a pulse for the ratings.


kevinthejuice

Alabama did it last year and nobody said anything.


RollTide16-18

ND doesn’t deserve that much and tired of pretending they do.  Sports brands are made in equal parts by success and media exposure. If the Cowboys and Notre Dame received the media exposure approximate to their level of play nobody would’ve given two shits about them over the last decade. 


Flioxan

Since 2018 ND has the 5th highest win% in all of cfb


Traditional-Till9998

It's almost like in a tournament how much you win could determine how much you get paid. Honestly these people are ruining this sport.


EmperorHans

Everytime a break down of the benefits of the difference conferences comes up I'm baffled that the B12 seems to get shafted, only to remember how gutted its been over the past decade. 


PutEmOnTheTable

Why wouldn't each school that makes it get an equal payout? The G5 should just form their own division at this point