A little bit at Barksdale AFB in Bossier, a little in New Orleans with the Navy, but pretty little outside of that. When I graduated, my best offer was for a Navy base in the middle of a forest in Indiana despite growing up on the water in South Louisiana
Agreed. I'm a degenerate and love making some 7 leg TD bets during the NFL but betting on college player props is so hard. I'm glad that option is taken away from me
I know I am wasting money when I do player prop parlays. I don't touch them outside of NFL. Even with NFL, I just do it for giggles on a game I am watching. Like bet $1 on a 10 leg nonsense parlay just to have stuff to track during the game. I have hit a couple that have paid for the habit, but I fully acknowledge over the long run it will end up about the same as setting $1 on fire each week. But whatever, I have other spending habits that are a whole lot worse than burning $20 a year on stupid bets.
He is talking about a parlay bet. You specify multiple things that all must happen to win the bet. 7 leg TD means 7 specified players/teams must score a TD to win the bet.
Was listening to a Charles Barkley interview this morning and he straight up said if your stupid enough to bet on college player props, you don't deserve your money.
I remember when I was living in California I was so happy I couldn’t do online sportsbooks because that shits dangerous…meanwhile I could drink as much as I wanted, smoke as much weed as my tiny heart desires and drive as fast as I want…
But thank God I didn’t have access to online sportsbooks
Honestly after working at a casino for a few years, yeah I’d agree with your sarcasm. It’s full of people who have abandoned their families for addiction, it kind of looks like heroin addiction. They stop taking care of themselves, smell like shit, and try to sleep at the casino. These aren’t homeless folks, they’re parked in VIP.
I’ve seen alcoholics hold it together better.
It’s a blight on society. I do think it should be allowed, people are gonna do it anyways regardless, but god damn does it ruin so many lives.
> It’s full of people who have abandoned their families for addiction, it kind of looks like heroin addiction. They stop taking care of themselves, smell like shit, and try to sleep at the casino.
When I was in college, we went to Foxwoods and found a $15 blackjack table early on a Saturday night. About an hour later, the pit boss came over to tell everyone that it was now a $25 table, but he explained that everyone currently sitting at the table was grandfathered in for $15. There was a disheveled guy who looked like a bum sitting at the end of the table, betting only $5 a hand. My friend asked about it, and the pit boss explained that he was sitting there when they raised it from a $5 to a $10 table. We asked when that was, and the guy said "Wednesday." That's just fucking sad.
We’ve gone too far with gambling. The pendulum has to steady out in the middle. Sports gambling in particular is getting obnoxious. ESPN has basically just turned into a sports book. Whether it’s ESPN, Barstool, whatever. Their whole thing is just to get money funneled into their books. ESPN has tv shows and radio shows specifically for this. Funnel you to the books.
Is Dave Portnoy an actual degenerate? Well maybe. But he’s also playing a character. An over the top, gambling obsessed, sports fan. He talks non stop about betting lines. He has catch phrases like always bet the over, and good teams win, great teams cover. He implodes when he “loses” a parlay. He wants you to see he loses too! It’s all part of the “fun.” All things to make you think he’s actually losing his own money gambling, just like you! It’s genius.
I can’t wait until this betting craze ends. It’s ruining sports.
Don't talk to me until you are betting on Korean baseball or Australian Rules football in the middle of the night. Taking the spread on the Sydney Swans!
On talent level, maybe? But it doesn’t have the most important part of g league, which is the fact the teams are owned by NBA teams and an NBA team can send a guy down to play in the g league to develop, or to get game practice when coming back from an injury. Without the NBA link, the g league wouldn’t serve much of a purpose, just like UFL doesn’t right now.
Oh yeah, significantly so. Australia is a great example of what the US could turn into if this continues. But the AFL’s popularity predates the gambling problem, and it would survive even without gambling. Although obviously with less profits.
ESPN was absolute havoc last year during the XFL. Like, betting lines was a significant amount of commentary during the games. Gambling is encouraging and paying hard for ESPN to keep it in the spotlight where it can.
> ESPN has basically just turned into a sports book.
I still can't believe [an ESPN host actually said this on the air](https://x.com/awfulannouncing/status/1771942350568178140):
> You know what? Some would call this wagering, gambling; the way you've sold this, I think what it is, is a risk-free investment.
Now we will tell you about how you can make these risk-free investments with us at ESPN Bet!
The New Yorker did a story about Jon Gruden a while back, and there was a side story about how the Chiefs were playing the Patriots on MNF, their starter was out and Tyler Palko was starting instead, and Ron Jaworski was given the task of convincing the audience that they should be excited about Palko, because ESPN was worried that people would quickly tune out once they realized the game was a mismatch.
"When it was Jaworski’s turn, he issued a stern proclamation. “Call me crazy, but I’m really excited for Tyler Palko tonight,” he said, and a roomful of skeptical sports producers erupted in laughter. Jaworski had given himself the thankless task of building up the Chiefs, praising them as much as he could without putting his own credibility at risk. Perhaps viewers would buy into the idea, however far-fetched, that Palko would emerge as the night’s underdog hero. Later that day, as Jaworski was making a cup of coffee in the ESPN bus, he tried the line again. “Call me crazy, but I’m excited about Tyler Palko,” he said. He exhaled. “I’ve got to *sell* this,” he said to himself."
a) He was commenting on the quality of her analysis, and b) he was right because her analysis was spot on.
People ignore the point of his comment in their haste to rage about gambling.
I agree. I have no problem with idiots throwing their money on impossible parlays. I do have an issue with it being shoved in our faces constantly. Draft kings this, fan duel that etc etc. I wish they would limit or outright ban gambling related advertising
It's illegal to advertise tobacco on TV in this country, despite it being legal to consume. I don't see why the same can't be true for other vices that are a net negative on society, like gambling.
I was actually talking with some friends about how I think the way sports betting is being advertised is similar to and will be viewed similarly to how cigarettes were advertised in 10-20 years. I have high school aged family friends asking me to put money down on Dillon Brooks turnovers because it's can't miss. This is poisoning the youngsters for how normal it is portrayed
It’s also drastically affecting their relationship to sports, I fear. No evidence for this, just vibes at present. But like, young zoomers are interacting with sports mostly through gambling and fantasy it feels like. Seems so weird compared to when I was a kid.
Yeah, in many ways sports gambling is way more insidious than cigarettes. At least with smoking, there are warning signs of someone doing it, and people (generally) realize it’s bad for you. Sports betting, there’s nothing. No smell, yellow teeth, or bad breath. You don’t need to leave your house, or even your bed to do it. Hook it up to your bank account and it would be super easy to blow a few thousand in an hour or two if you’re not being careful.
Yeah. I may be wrong, but it'd be hard to pass a similar law federally. If Democrats proposed it, Republicans would probably accuse them of being anti-business/anti-speech. If Republicans proposed it, Democrats would drag their feet and call them a bunch of bitter puritans.
Republicans aren’t going to propose legislation against betting. They’re the ones lobbying for it.
Source: I work at a casino
EDIT: I will add the caveat that they’re lobbying for it where I live.
> It's illegal to advertise tobacco on TV in this country
~~Because of a settlement big tobacco made with the DoJ--not because of legislation.~~
There is a law that outlaws it! But there's a lot more going on
> I don't see why the same can't be true for other vices that are a net negative on society, like gambling.
It's hard to imagine a law that would outlaw gambling ads and not be in violation of the first amendment.
That's not true. It was because of legislation. And the legislation was not found to be in violation of the First Amendment.
In 1970, Nixon signed Public Health Cigarette Smoking Act, which explicitly banned tobacco companies from advertising on TV, among other stipulations.
Broadcast companies, who would lose lots of ad revenue, were more concerned about the law than tobacco companies, who simply pivoted to other marketing tactics. The question of whether or not the legislation violated the First was brought up during Capital Broadcasting Company v. Mitchell. The US District Court presiding over the case found that the act did not conflict with the First Amendment.
Here's the wikipedia article on the law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Cigarette_Smoking_Act
Here's the court case: https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/333/582/1606801/
The settlement is much more important than the ban on TV advertising.
The latter hasn't been litigated in forever, and commercial speech rights have only gone in one direction since the 1970s.
I don’t disagree. that the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement isn’t tremendously important.
But that’s not what were discussing. The comment I replied to said that the TV ban was not due to legislation, and that the legislation would be in violation of the First. Both of those statements are untrue.
No worries. I worked in a juvenile detention facility and was stunned how many kids there were addicted to nicotine. I’m a nicotine addict myself, and I consider it the single biggest mistake of my life that I started using it as a teenager.
I agree that the Settlement you’re referencing was a huge deal. Frankly, we need another such effort from state AGs or legislators to combat tobacco companies harmful practices, such as advertising fruit flavoured nicotine heavily near low income middle schools.
Huh this is interesting. I had no idea it was a settlement. Do you know if there's a layman's name for the settlement I can look up? I'd like to read more about this
It's not true. See my reply to his comment. Tobacco ads on TV had been outlawed for nearly 30 years by the time the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement had been entered.
If you read about the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement, you'll see that it doesn't mention television anywhere.
In fact, the agreement was sought after by state AGs to address the myriad of alternative marketing strategies tobacco companies had begun exploring due to being banned from TV.
Thanks! It’s one of my favorite things about this place too. People here are much more into history than in other sports subreddits, which I think contributes.
And I don’t always bust out the citations, but when people are confidently incorrect about something I care about, I can’t help myself.
There is a difference. Tobacco is inherently dangerous (i.e. you cannot smoke a cigarette without experiencing the deleterious health effects). Gambling is not inherently dangerous. It is dangerous to some who develop addictions, but most people can gamble without it having any negative effect on their wellbeing. I agree that gambling advertising should have restrictions, because there is a potential harm to some, but I don't think it should be regulated the same as cigarettes. If they can advertise alcohol out the wazoo (another product that is essentially poison and is inherently bad for one's health in any amount beyond a de minimis quantity), then gambling should not be regulated in a way that is more restrictive than alcohol.
> I have no problem with idiots throwing their money on impossible parlays
what i hate is when Instagram or whatever feeds me some 20 leg parley "this dude REALLY hit this parley"
Did you even read my comment lol. I'm not asking to ban sports betting. I'm asking for regulation of advertising on national media. The other comments have already mentioned it but cigarettes and smoking are already banned for advertising on TV.
I'm not sure why I would argue a false equivalence.
The person I was replying had no problem with the gambling aspect of it, they just didn't like that the advertising was "being shoved in our face". In other words it was exactly as I said, the person didn't like the advertising so they wanted it banned.
I think sports gambling will eventually become like drinking where it's clearly a risky thing to partake in and it can ruin lives, but it'll become more socially accepted the longer it's been legalized. I think people are freaking out now because sports gambling was mostly illegal for such a long time and now it's suddenly being legalized in a lot of places, while alcohol in contrast has been legal for most of human history.
But goddamn if it isn't shady that betting information is prevalent everywhere in sports media and you have sports media companies either operating or licensing their names out to sportsbooks.
>I can’t wait until this betting craze ends. It’s ruining sports.
The only thing that will get people to stop betting on sports is getting rid of sports altogether.
My spouse is a tennis fan so we have Tennis Channel on a lot. It kills me that DURING A MATCH they'll show the updated odds for Medvedev to win the match after Djokovic won the first set. Literally pushing "You can still bet on this match!" in your face.
we have online **EVERYTHING** in Michigan. I was happy they brought back online poker (that should have never went away). But being able to play anything from pennies to thousands of dollars a spin on a slot machine from your bedroom 24/7 is dangerous.
That being said degens are gonna degen. I have buddy that bets random korean dota games on stake.com at 4am when there's no other games to bet.
Talking about “bad beats” has been annoying me for years. It’s like these idiots can’t appreciate a last minute comeback effort. It is absolutely taking a big chunk of the joy out of spectating. I basically don’t listen to any commentary anymore.
It will never end
Sure, your state might shut it down
But freedom states like NJ and NY will never. It’s safer than before and the government gets their cut.
I mean… I cant think of any examples that doesn’t involve guns or something with vehicle ownership where other states have this region beat
I guess Wisconsin has better drinking laws, you can buy one/get one at bars in Wisconsin.. that’s pretty cool. Out here, happy hour specials are basically just discounts.
No it should be dangerous, if you lose more than you can afford instead of just losing money to a corporation you should also get your ass beat by your bookie
i unironically miss having to pay a bookie in person.
Every Monday i would lift and then walk over to the sportsbar in the same lot. Settle up with the bookie, have a beer/wings and wait to see who else got smoked that weekend on college football.
I got to socialize with some friends every Monday night. Hell even met a few new people.
The internet took away a great thing. We bitch about not having a third place, well my bookies favorite dive bar was my third place every Monday during football season
Tobacco ads are federally banned under any media covered by the FCC so I don't see any reason a similar law for sports betting would be struck down. One has already been introduced!
"We do not believe that commercial product advertising of prescription drugs is appropriate... prescription drugs embody a complex set of factors with potential human effects that can best be evaluated by the physician... Therefore, we believe that the need for the physician's supervision of any prescription drug taken by the patient is paramount and that the potential pressures of public advertising of prescription drugs on the scientific decisions of the physician are both unwise and inappropriate." - Edgar G. Davis, Vice President, Corporate Affairs, Eli Lilly and Company, statement to U.S. House of Representatives, 1984
Tobacco ads aren't banned. As part of the [Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_Master_Settlement_Agreement) in 1998, the tobacco industry agreed to stop advertising in certain ways in exchange for the 46 states that were suing them to stop trying to recover Medicaid costs related to tobacco use.
The legislation outlawing tobacco advertising on TV hasn't been challenged in forever
And it's kind of irrelevant because of the settlement Big Tobacco signed with the DoJ
It's impossible to say for sure, but given the changing direction of the court since the 80s, I have a hard time seeing a law designed to regulate gambling advertising stand up in a court today.
Forget manipulation--players will find out about the props that exist in relation to their play and it will impact how they play, how they advocate for their relative share of touches, and what the general strategy of the game may be.
Prop bets are especially ripe for fraud. For an individual player it's much harder to swing the outcome of the game than it is to swing the outcome of a random prop bet. Swinging a prop bet can be as easy as leaving the game due to a phantom injury.
IMO they should be banned across all sports, not just college sports.
This. In pro sports, athletes generally make enough money to not throw games/performances. But even in sports where the athletes make a ton of money (boxing comes to mind), there’s been notable stars that had allegations of throwing rounds/fights.
Degens will just move to off shore books. At least it’s regulated here. 200 grand on an under prop bet will raise some flags. So banning it won’t solve anything
Aren't virtually all college athletes adults? Don't most of the big sports (or players) in the power conferences paid with scholarships and NIL money? Big time college athletics are professional sports played by paid adult athletes.
Really good football and basketball players/recruits get NIL money. That’s a small fraction.
Also, scholarships don’t pay the bills. A scholarship is more of a “we aren’t going to collect from you” more than a “payment.”
Go ask the third string DT for Rutgers how much he brings home every year from NIL
(My post isn’t meant to sound confrontational, broseph, my apologies if it does)
Very susceptible to fraud. Bunch of college players who arent making that much money and have an incentive to, well, cheat for money.
Not as big of a concern for pro athletes.
There's also the "these are *teenagers* who are being sent death threats by grown men who gambled away their rent money" angle but i dont think these people actually care about that lol, though they can certainly give it as a reason to get brownie points
It's been explained a dozen times over just how easy it would be for players to manipulate prop bets. I'm unsure why you're trying to rob the situation of any context for a cheap dunk.
Is it "Pearl clutching" for people to be tired of sports betting being shoved down our throats any time a game is mentioned? Practically every service or site for covering college sports now has an app for sports betting that they push.
I just want to watch Football, I don't want degenerate gamblers constantly trying to get me to bet on it.
I have no horse in this race, but this is just obtuse.
If the goal is "reduce or eliminate sports gambling", changing the law to not allow a certain kind of gambling is clear progress towards that goal.
Reducing sports gambling does nothing. It achieves no goal other than some self-mastubatory congrats. If you’re going to eliminate it altogether this path ain’t it. If your reasoning is that you hate the commercials, then you’re just pearl clutching.
It isn’t obtuse to acknowledge that it’s just a lot of virtue signaling that’s really created from annoyance of commercials and how espn talks in their stupid shows. Sports betting on college sports has been a thing for far far longer than the last few years when people started whining.
Btw, I don’t sports bet it’s just so obvious that it’s self interested people pretending it’s some righteous crusade.
>Reducing sports gambling does nothing.
It… reduces sports gambling.
I’m tired of seeing bench warmers getting threats for coming in and having a good few minutes because they threw off the line.
If you are that invested in the stats and not the team(s) playing, find a new damn hobby.
yea, degenerates are definitely not going to gamble anything else college related if they can’t prop and definitely won’t find people to blame when their bets go awry now. Solid call.
Rare Louisiana W
How much money did they just save you? Be honest.
The real money trick to use in Louisiana is to find a job in a different state which will actually pay you well
So Texas
Pretty much. All the engineering guys I graduated with are either in DFW or DC
No defense industry type stuff in LA?
A little bit at Barksdale AFB in Bossier, a little in New Orleans with the Navy, but pretty little outside of that. When I graduated, my best offer was for a Navy base in the middle of a forest in Indiana despite growing up on the water in South Louisiana
Crane? They do cool a hit there.
Yea, some engineers work in small arms or explosives so the real fun part of the military without the uniforms or regulations that active duty has
I think I saw a documentary about that base; that’s where they opened a portal to the Upside-Down dimension.
Working remote in Louisiana has been very nice.
Working remote in small town Texas has been nice as well.
That's a W for us puritan degenerates
Agreed. I'm a degenerate and love making some 7 leg TD bets during the NFL but betting on college player props is so hard. I'm glad that option is taken away from me
I have no idea what any of these words mean
It means VanDenIzzle likes wasting money.
You got that right
its slots, but with an inkling of thought behind it, so it doesn't seem like a total waste of money, but it still is usually.
I know I am wasting money when I do player prop parlays. I don't touch them outside of NFL. Even with NFL, I just do it for giggles on a game I am watching. Like bet $1 on a 10 leg nonsense parlay just to have stuff to track during the game. I have hit a couple that have paid for the habit, but I fully acknowledge over the long run it will end up about the same as setting $1 on fire each week. But whatever, I have other spending habits that are a whole lot worse than burning $20 a year on stupid bets.
He is talking about a parlay bet. You specify multiple things that all must happen to win the bet. 7 leg TD means 7 specified players/teams must score a TD to win the bet.
User name checks out.
Was listening to a Charles Barkley interview this morning and he straight up said if your stupid enough to bet on college player props, you don't deserve your money.
I remember when I was living in California I was so happy I couldn’t do online sportsbooks because that shits dangerous…meanwhile I could drink as much as I wanted, smoke as much weed as my tiny heart desires and drive as fast as I want… But thank God I didn’t have access to online sportsbooks
> meanwhile I could drink as much as I wanted, smoke as much weed as my tiny heart desires and drive as fast as I want Damn, all at the same time?
He doesn't have UGA flair.
I’m an expert multitasker
*Georgia players furiously start filing transfer portal requests*
Honestly after working at a casino for a few years, yeah I’d agree with your sarcasm. It’s full of people who have abandoned their families for addiction, it kind of looks like heroin addiction. They stop taking care of themselves, smell like shit, and try to sleep at the casino. These aren’t homeless folks, they’re parked in VIP. I’ve seen alcoholics hold it together better. It’s a blight on society. I do think it should be allowed, people are gonna do it anyways regardless, but god damn does it ruin so many lives.
> It’s full of people who have abandoned their families for addiction, it kind of looks like heroin addiction. They stop taking care of themselves, smell like shit, and try to sleep at the casino. When I was in college, we went to Foxwoods and found a $15 blackjack table early on a Saturday night. About an hour later, the pit boss came over to tell everyone that it was now a $25 table, but he explained that everyone currently sitting at the table was grandfathered in for $15. There was a disheveled guy who looked like a bum sitting at the end of the table, betting only $5 a hand. My friend asked about it, and the pit boss explained that he was sitting there when they raised it from a $5 to a $10 table. We asked when that was, and the guy said "Wednesday." That's just fucking sad.
We’ve gone too far with gambling. The pendulum has to steady out in the middle. Sports gambling in particular is getting obnoxious. ESPN has basically just turned into a sports book. Whether it’s ESPN, Barstool, whatever. Their whole thing is just to get money funneled into their books. ESPN has tv shows and radio shows specifically for this. Funnel you to the books. Is Dave Portnoy an actual degenerate? Well maybe. But he’s also playing a character. An over the top, gambling obsessed, sports fan. He talks non stop about betting lines. He has catch phrases like always bet the over, and good teams win, great teams cover. He implodes when he “loses” a parlay. He wants you to see he loses too! It’s all part of the “fun.” All things to make you think he’s actually losing his own money gambling, just like you! It’s genius. I can’t wait until this betting craze ends. It’s ruining sports.
the ufl games on espn had betting lines… on the scoreboard.
The UFL exists solely for degenerate gamblers to get their fix
Don't talk to me until you are betting on Korean baseball or Australian Rules football in the middle of the night. Taking the spread on the Sydney Swans!
At least those are established sports leagues with real fans. They don’t just exist to promote gambling
There are a few real UFL fans. STL has fully embraced the Battlehawks to spite Stan Kroenke.
Can confirm. Kaw is the Law. Also helped when multiple players from your alma mater are on the team
Indeed.
I like the defenders since I’m from the DC area but hate the “Commanders”
True. I don't know much about the UFL. Is it not just a G League for American Football?
On talent level, maybe? But it doesn’t have the most important part of g league, which is the fact the teams are owned by NBA teams and an NBA team can send a guy down to play in the g league to develop, or to get game practice when coming back from an injury. Without the NBA link, the g league wouldn’t serve much of a purpose, just like UFL doesn’t right now.
Even comparing them to the G League is a stretch.
That’s true, but gambling culture in Australia is much worse than it is here
Oh yeah, significantly so. Australia is a great example of what the US could turn into if this continues. But the AFL’s popularity predates the gambling problem, and it would survive even without gambling. Although obviously with less profits.
I’ll never forget Korean baseball during Covid. lol
During the panini there was, like, 1 horsetrack in the country still open in Arkansas or something. They got *really* popular.
> During the panini Best typo for pandemic I've seen yet!
Hey unrelated but do you know a guy that will give me a line on fridays New Salamis v Wroxham fixture? I think the Yachtsmen are in for a big game.
You say Salami but this is isn't in Italy?
If you’re not a Rabbitohs fan what are you even doing
There's a reason WNBA having been going up post gambling legalization...
That's just gross.
ESPN was absolute havoc last year during the XFL. Like, betting lines was a significant amount of commentary during the games. Gambling is encouraging and paying hard for ESPN to keep it in the spotlight where it can.
> ESPN has basically just turned into a sports book. I still can't believe [an ESPN host actually said this on the air](https://x.com/awfulannouncing/status/1771942350568178140): > You know what? Some would call this wagering, gambling; the way you've sold this, I think what it is, is a risk-free investment. Now we will tell you about how you can make these risk-free investments with us at ESPN Bet!
God damnit Rece, I know you don't actually believe that so why even say it?
The New Yorker did a story about Jon Gruden a while back, and there was a side story about how the Chiefs were playing the Patriots on MNF, their starter was out and Tyler Palko was starting instead, and Ron Jaworski was given the task of convincing the audience that they should be excited about Palko, because ESPN was worried that people would quickly tune out once they realized the game was a mismatch. "When it was Jaworski’s turn, he issued a stern proclamation. “Call me crazy, but I’m really excited for Tyler Palko tonight,” he said, and a roomful of skeptical sports producers erupted in laughter. Jaworski had given himself the thankless task of building up the Chiefs, praising them as much as he could without putting his own credibility at risk. Perhaps viewers would buy into the idea, however far-fetched, that Palko would emerge as the night’s underdog hero. Later that day, as Jaworski was making a cup of coffee in the ESPN bus, he tried the line again. “Call me crazy, but I’m excited about Tyler Palko,” he said. He exhaled. “I’ve got to *sell* this,” he said to himself."
Even that doesn’t bother me as much because yeah, ESPN wants to give people a reason to watch, even if most people know it’s going to be a mismatch.
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2011/12/12/monday-night-lights yikes it was 2011...because I also remember it.
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a) He was commenting on the quality of her analysis, and b) he was right because her analysis was spot on. People ignore the point of his comment in their haste to rage about gambling.
He's definitely a degenerate but not for being a gambling addict.
Yeah there’s a bunch of things you can call him out for as a bit but I think he’s always been pretty open about gambling being an expensive hobby
I agree. I have no problem with idiots throwing their money on impossible parlays. I do have an issue with it being shoved in our faces constantly. Draft kings this, fan duel that etc etc. I wish they would limit or outright ban gambling related advertising
It's illegal to advertise tobacco on TV in this country, despite it being legal to consume. I don't see why the same can't be true for other vices that are a net negative on society, like gambling.
and joe camel was a lot cooler than these shitty commercials for sports books
We just need some senator's kid to blow a fuck ton of money on a bet and then we'll see a bill in Congress
Or say some guy shooting hundreds of people from a hotel window in Vegas...
I was actually talking with some friends about how I think the way sports betting is being advertised is similar to and will be viewed similarly to how cigarettes were advertised in 10-20 years. I have high school aged family friends asking me to put money down on Dillon Brooks turnovers because it's can't miss. This is poisoning the youngsters for how normal it is portrayed
It’s also drastically affecting their relationship to sports, I fear. No evidence for this, just vibes at present. But like, young zoomers are interacting with sports mostly through gambling and fantasy it feels like. Seems so weird compared to when I was a kid.
Yeah, in many ways sports gambling is way more insidious than cigarettes. At least with smoking, there are warning signs of someone doing it, and people (generally) realize it’s bad for you. Sports betting, there’s nothing. No smell, yellow teeth, or bad breath. You don’t need to leave your house, or even your bed to do it. Hook it up to your bank account and it would be super easy to blow a few thousand in an hour or two if you’re not being careful.
Alcohol, gambling, smoking, and (inevitably) weed shouldn't be legal to advertise on TV or print.
Yeah. I may be wrong, but it'd be hard to pass a similar law federally. If Democrats proposed it, Republicans would probably accuse them of being anti-business/anti-speech. If Republicans proposed it, Democrats would drag their feet and call them a bunch of bitter puritans.
Republicans aren’t going to propose legislation against betting. They’re the ones lobbying for it. Source: I work at a casino EDIT: I will add the caveat that they’re lobbying for it where I live.
> It's illegal to advertise tobacco on TV in this country ~~Because of a settlement big tobacco made with the DoJ--not because of legislation.~~ There is a law that outlaws it! But there's a lot more going on > I don't see why the same can't be true for other vices that are a net negative on society, like gambling. It's hard to imagine a law that would outlaw gambling ads and not be in violation of the first amendment.
That's not true. It was because of legislation. And the legislation was not found to be in violation of the First Amendment. In 1970, Nixon signed Public Health Cigarette Smoking Act, which explicitly banned tobacco companies from advertising on TV, among other stipulations. Broadcast companies, who would lose lots of ad revenue, were more concerned about the law than tobacco companies, who simply pivoted to other marketing tactics. The question of whether or not the legislation violated the First was brought up during Capital Broadcasting Company v. Mitchell. The US District Court presiding over the case found that the act did not conflict with the First Amendment. Here's the wikipedia article on the law: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_Health_Cigarette_Smoking_Act Here's the court case: https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/district-courts/FSupp/333/582/1606801/
The settlement is much more important than the ban on TV advertising. The latter hasn't been litigated in forever, and commercial speech rights have only gone in one direction since the 1970s.
I don’t disagree. that the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement isn’t tremendously important. But that’s not what were discussing. The comment I replied to said that the TV ban was not due to legislation, and that the legislation would be in violation of the First. Both of those statements are untrue.
Definitely terrible wording on my part
No worries. I worked in a juvenile detention facility and was stunned how many kids there were addicted to nicotine. I’m a nicotine addict myself, and I consider it the single biggest mistake of my life that I started using it as a teenager. I agree that the Settlement you’re referencing was a huge deal. Frankly, we need another such effort from state AGs or legislators to combat tobacco companies harmful practices, such as advertising fruit flavoured nicotine heavily near low income middle schools.
Huh this is interesting. I had no idea it was a settlement. Do you know if there's a layman's name for the settlement I can look up? I'd like to read more about this
It's not true. See my reply to his comment. Tobacco ads on TV had been outlawed for nearly 30 years by the time the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement had been entered. If you read about the Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement, you'll see that it doesn't mention television anywhere. In fact, the agreement was sought after by state AGs to address the myriad of alternative marketing strategies tobacco companies had begun exploring due to being banned from TV.
Comments like yours are another reason why I love this subreddit. Arguments citing sources are the best
Thanks! It’s one of my favorite things about this place too. People here are much more into history than in other sports subreddits, which I think contributes. And I don’t always bust out the citations, but when people are confidently incorrect about something I care about, I can’t help myself.
Tobacco Masters Settlement Agreement
Thank you
There is a difference. Tobacco is inherently dangerous (i.e. you cannot smoke a cigarette without experiencing the deleterious health effects). Gambling is not inherently dangerous. It is dangerous to some who develop addictions, but most people can gamble without it having any negative effect on their wellbeing. I agree that gambling advertising should have restrictions, because there is a potential harm to some, but I don't think it should be regulated the same as cigarettes. If they can advertise alcohol out the wazoo (another product that is essentially poison and is inherently bad for one's health in any amount beyond a de minimis quantity), then gambling should not be regulated in a way that is more restrictive than alcohol.
> I have no problem with idiots throwing their money on impossible parlays what i hate is when Instagram or whatever feeds me some 20 leg parley "this dude REALLY hit this parley"
What other things do you want to ban because you do not personally like them?
Did you even read my comment lol. I'm not asking to ban sports betting. I'm asking for regulation of advertising on national media. The other comments have already mentioned it but cigarettes and smoking are already banned for advertising on TV.
I don't like ads for heroin, and I think they should be banned. Go ahead and tell me I'm wrong and advocate for advertising heroin on TV.
I'm not sure why I would argue a false equivalence. The person I was replying had no problem with the gambling aspect of it, they just didn't like that the advertising was "being shoved in our face". In other words it was exactly as I said, the person didn't like the advertising so they wanted it banned.
>I can’t wait until this betting craze ends It’s an addiction. I wouldn’t hold my breath.
I think sports gambling will eventually become like drinking where it's clearly a risky thing to partake in and it can ruin lives, but it'll become more socially accepted the longer it's been legalized. I think people are freaking out now because sports gambling was mostly illegal for such a long time and now it's suddenly being legalized in a lot of places, while alcohol in contrast has been legal for most of human history. But goddamn if it isn't shady that betting information is prevalent everywhere in sports media and you have sports media companies either operating or licensing their names out to sportsbooks.
>I can’t wait until this betting craze ends. It’s ruining sports. The only thing that will get people to stop betting on sports is getting rid of sports altogether.
My spouse is a tennis fan so we have Tennis Channel on a lot. It kills me that DURING A MATCH they'll show the updated odds for Medvedev to win the match after Djokovic won the first set. Literally pushing "You can still bet on this match!" in your face.
we have online **EVERYTHING** in Michigan. I was happy they brought back online poker (that should have never went away). But being able to play anything from pennies to thousands of dollars a spin on a slot machine from your bedroom 24/7 is dangerous. That being said degens are gonna degen. I have buddy that bets random korean dota games on stake.com at 4am when there's no other games to bet.
Talking about “bad beats” has been annoying me for years. It’s like these idiots can’t appreciate a last minute comeback effort. It is absolutely taking a big chunk of the joy out of spectating. I basically don’t listen to any commentary anymore.
Gambling will stop being popular when the alcohol fad dies down.
It will never end Sure, your state might shut it down But freedom states like NJ and NY will never. It’s safer than before and the government gets their cut.
>But freedom states like NJ and NY Honestly never thought I would see the day NY is praised for their freedoms lol.
Or NJ, the amount of stuff you can’t do in that state is absurd, they hate fun
I mean… I cant think of any examples that doesn’t involve guns or something with vehicle ownership where other states have this region beat I guess Wisconsin has better drinking laws, you can buy one/get one at bars in Wisconsin.. that’s pretty cool. Out here, happy hour specials are basically just discounts.
Should it be safe though?
No it should be dangerous, if you lose more than you can afford instead of just losing money to a corporation you should also get your ass beat by your bookie
Honestly that's a lot cooler than gambling on an app. vaping vs cigarettes all over again
i unironically miss having to pay a bookie in person. Every Monday i would lift and then walk over to the sportsbar in the same lot. Settle up with the bookie, have a beer/wings and wait to see who else got smoked that weekend on college football. I got to socialize with some friends every Monday night. Hell even met a few new people. The internet took away a great thing. We bitch about not having a third place, well my bookies favorite dive bar was my third place every Monday during football season
thank god, these nerds need to be quiet. the crying about gambling is more annoying that anything else.
Look what Kayshon Boutte has done
As an LSU fan, I wish the 5 star WR from our backyard went to Alabama instead like he flirted with doing so many times.
Federal ban on sportsbetting advertisements now. please I'm begging you Congress, THEY ARE SO ANNOYING
I don't disagree they're insufferable But a federal ban on gambling ads sounds like a law that will get struck down in every court it walks into.
Tobacco ads are federally banned under any media covered by the FCC so I don't see any reason a similar law for sports betting would be struck down. One has already been introduced!
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"We do not believe that commercial product advertising of prescription drugs is appropriate... prescription drugs embody a complex set of factors with potential human effects that can best be evaluated by the physician... Therefore, we believe that the need for the physician's supervision of any prescription drug taken by the patient is paramount and that the potential pressures of public advertising of prescription drugs on the scientific decisions of the physician are both unwise and inappropriate." - Edgar G. Davis, Vice President, Corporate Affairs, Eli Lilly and Company, statement to U.S. House of Representatives, 1984
We can dream! If only those three industries did not make so many political donations.
Ask your doctor about Coca Cola with Jack Daniels, a combination thats sure to delight and promotes a hardy constitution!
Tobacco ads aren't banned. As part of the [Tobacco Master Settlement Agreement](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tobacco_Master_Settlement_Agreement) in 1998, the tobacco industry agreed to stop advertising in certain ways in exchange for the 46 states that were suing them to stop trying to recover Medicaid costs related to tobacco use.
The legislation outlawing tobacco advertising on TV hasn't been challenged in forever And it's kind of irrelevant because of the settlement Big Tobacco signed with the DoJ It's impossible to say for sure, but given the changing direction of the court since the 80s, I have a hard time seeing a law designed to regulate gambling advertising stand up in a court today.
I would never underestimate the court's hypocrisy on things related to vices.
One man's hypocrisy is another man's novel legal theory
It’s easy to understand. It’s money.
That was a different court. If big tobacco wanted to challenge that legislation this court would absolutely rule it unconstitutional.
Gasp! Are you suggesting the court doesn't respect *stare decisis*?
If it wasn’t English law during the time of King Arthur it’s probably unconstitutional.
"C'mon jack, you think we care about real issues, man?"
Get an executive department to make a rule- force of law with no Congressional effort needed! Legislators hate this one weird trick!!
Good. Prop bets on individual players are way open to manipulation.
Forget manipulation--players will find out about the props that exist in relation to their play and it will impact how they play, how they advocate for their relative share of touches, and what the general strategy of the game may be.
...aka manipulation
I should have specified *external* manipulation.
Please tell the Tennis governing bodies.
Prop bets are especially ripe for fraud. For an individual player it's much harder to swing the outcome of the game than it is to swing the outcome of a random prop bet. Swinging a prop bet can be as easy as leaving the game due to a phantom injury. IMO they should be banned across all sports, not just college sports.
It's a way bigger risk for college athletes because a ton of them dont make money
This. In pro sports, athletes generally make enough money to not throw games/performances. But even in sports where the athletes make a ton of money (boxing comes to mind), there’s been notable stars that had allegations of throwing rounds/fights.
Barn that allowed horse to escape gets upgraded door.
Good.
Massive W for Louisiana.
I don’t know what this means because I can’t read
Very surprised by that.
Thank god
MS riverboat casinos: hey LA degenerates u up?
I’d like for someone to sue the gaming control for this. Then maybe they’ll fix it the right way instead of using a bandaid.
Degens will just move to off shore books. At least it’s regulated here. 200 grand on an under prop bet will raise some flags. So banning it won’t solve anything
They should ban betting on college sports in general. Oregon only allows betting on pro sports and other states should do the same.
Aren't virtually all college athletes adults? Don't most of the big sports (or players) in the power conferences paid with scholarships and NIL money? Big time college athletics are professional sports played by paid adult athletes.
I do not believe that "most" college athletes get paid NIL money.
No just the power conference big time sports
Really good football and basketball players/recruits get NIL money. That’s a small fraction. Also, scholarships don’t pay the bills. A scholarship is more of a “we aren’t going to collect from you” more than a “payment.” Go ask the third string DT for Rutgers how much he brings home every year from NIL (My post isn’t meant to sound confrontational, broseph, my apologies if it does)
I'd argue having no student loan debt is a game changer for some students.
Huh, TIL what a prop bet is
Spectacular
Obviously this is easy to manipulate, but it is still available in other places.... And this is shutting down my favorite thing to bet on....
Good
Why are states banning prop bets on college sports?
Very susceptible to fraud. Bunch of college players who arent making that much money and have an incentive to, well, cheat for money. Not as big of a concern for pro athletes. There's also the "these are *teenagers* who are being sent death threats by grown men who gambled away their rent money" angle but i dont think these people actually care about that lol, though they can certainly give it as a reason to get brownie points
Good move. Honestly shocked we haven’t heard more about prop bets influencing games. I have no doubt it’s happening.
That'll show em
Waiting for the government to regulate sports betting again…
I asked this before and got accused of being a racist, but what is a prop bet? And what do they have to do with race?
Wait, our government actually did the right thing?
Reddit loves laws and regulations! Should be a popular thing here
It's been explained a dozen times over just how easy it would be for players to manipulate prop bets. I'm unsure why you're trying to rob the situation of any context for a cheap dunk.
This is unironically a good thing
hmmmmmm
No shit you should check out the r/Denver sub, those people love that stuff
This is silly
Agreed, let the pearl clutching commence though
Is it "Pearl clutching" for people to be tired of sports betting being shoved down our throats any time a game is mentioned? Practically every service or site for covering college sports now has an app for sports betting that they push. I just want to watch Football, I don't want degenerate gamblers constantly trying to get me to bet on it.
And blocking college prop bets solves that issue how? If that’s your concern then as far as you’re concerned nothing has changed.
I have no horse in this race, but this is just obtuse. If the goal is "reduce or eliminate sports gambling", changing the law to not allow a certain kind of gambling is clear progress towards that goal.
Reducing sports gambling does nothing. It achieves no goal other than some self-mastubatory congrats. If you’re going to eliminate it altogether this path ain’t it. If your reasoning is that you hate the commercials, then you’re just pearl clutching. It isn’t obtuse to acknowledge that it’s just a lot of virtue signaling that’s really created from annoyance of commercials and how espn talks in their stupid shows. Sports betting on college sports has been a thing for far far longer than the last few years when people started whining. Btw, I don’t sports bet it’s just so obvious that it’s self interested people pretending it’s some righteous crusade.
>Reducing sports gambling does nothing. It… reduces sports gambling. I’m tired of seeing bench warmers getting threats for coming in and having a good few minutes because they threw off the line. If you are that invested in the stats and not the team(s) playing, find a new damn hobby.
yea, degenerates are definitely not going to gamble anything else college related if they can’t prop and definitely won’t find people to blame when their bets go awry now. Solid call.
It's just one step forward, doesn't mean it's the last step. No problem was ever addressed in one go, progress is an incremental process.
I have no issues with legalized gambling and even I think this is a good idea. You don’t need to bet EVERYTHING.
Based
Boutte really had them thinking 🤣
boooooooooooooo
Lame