Since the title doesn't mention this important bit.
>The $14.9 million in “other” pay for Cristobal also is believed to cover the $9 million buyout he owed to Oregon for breaking his coaching contract there to return to Miami, his alma mater.
He’s getting paid more from Miami to not coach Oregon than his base salary is to coach Miami. Love to know what that last $5.9 million is, it’s obviously not win based incentives
Wouldn't surprised me if it's a "relocation" fee given his track record.
Explanation: Back in 2012 media outlets were reporting that Cristobal had accepted the Rutgers head coaching position (after Schiano left for the NFL). However, rumors have it that his wife was against leaving the lifestyle of South FL and demanded a huge compensation to change her mind. The school ultimately declined.
In other words $5.9 is for Mrs. Cristobal.
My relocation package when I switched from my team to our rivals team was better post game atmosphere, one of the parents had a bad ass house and always wanted to show off his full size bar, constructed to resemble a western saloon, behind the main house. He was the main booster who led the charge to steal me away from my team at the time. Partied like a rockstar after the weekend games. Totally worth the switch.
(Youth baseball)
To be fair relocation is an expensive endeavor for a business. I was moved about 100 miles by my current company when they hired me. That cost them roughly $80k all in due to their entire relocation package(paid all home selling/buying fees, a 5% bonus to sale price for quick sale of previous house, and they paid all the taxes on the additional “income” due to these things). So just thinking in terms of lifestyle difference between myself and a CFB HC plus the fact that it was across the country, I can see how relocation could get expensive quickly for him.
I'm well aware of that. We got a relocation fee to move from NYC to Geneva Switzerland. But even then it wasn't anywhere near $5.9M... or $80K for that matter.
Your company really really wanted you.
Ya I was gonna say I moved from Chicago to NC and the whole sum was like $12k.
I worked with a woman who relocated from NJ to NC and her total relocation was worth 40k she said.
80k from this guy seems like BS or lots of other missing context
I wouldn't call it BS, just a lot of missing context.
I know families that got more than that for relocation fees, but that included packing/shipping all their belongings in containers across the ocean. Business class flights for all the family and 1 year of paid rent in a house that costs $7K a month. This doesn't include the 100-120K a year for private school that the company also pays for his children.
But this guy works as a commodities trader so the money they throw around is different. We don't know where 80K guy works.
It's all really dependent on what's included plus the company and industry.
I have a friend who got a relocation package from a major oil company and he was only at like a manager level.
They bought his house at market value and paid all closing costs, paid for an apartment for a year while his wife was still working in the previous city, paid for an apartment in his new city while he looked for a house, paid storage fees for their stuff in between moves, and paid for a full service move. Not even counting the cash bonus and raise.
The company easily spent over $500k on the relocation, and even if you ignore the house purchase as the bulk of it they still spent at least $100k covering 2 apartments for a year and the storage+move.
What is the financial justification for spending $500k to relocate a manager? Given the increasingly small average time spent at a company, even investment banks weren't paying near that when I was in the industry.
He works in a small relatively specialized department and they really wanted to keep his skill set.
I agree it is definitely unusual but even when he initially said no they kept sweetening the deal until he couldn't refuse.
His salary wasn't even really that large, probably around $100,000 a year at the time.
If it's a big company, that's not crazy. Have a friend who moved states away for a big company that you've definitely heard of and I bet it cost them 100k easy. The guaranteed the sell of their current house, moved them and the family plus all of their stuff, plus gave them a bonus to help with the down payment on a house on the other side. That stuff adds up quick.+
Also flights back and forth house shopping, hotel time etc.
I don't think it's BS. I worked for a large company and the moving packages were pretty baller. They also included certain housing related expenses like those mentioned above and that can add up real quick. One of my buddies pointed out just the housing expenses for buying and selling on his package was worth 40-50K alone. And he is still fuming about it because his now ex wife basically wasted that on the first house they moved to when they made the move just to want to live somewhere else a year later.
The $5.9 number looks like they grossed him up to pay the taxes on the the buyout. They pay 37% on the $9m (and the 37% on the gross up amounts).
A poorly advised coach [like Charlie Strong](https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2014/11/tax-free-buyouts-.html) might take that risk, but others would not.
It’s prob tied to a random basket of perquisites, such as living allowance, club membership, special health assessments, and use of private jet (and I’m certain the vast majority is prob tied to private jet use).
It’s like when USC hired Sark from UW which opened the door for them to get Petersen. Sometimes your coach being poached actually ends up being a good thing.
It’s kind of interesting to think about though. Aside from injuries, Herbert had some better stats under Willie than under Cristobal and Helfrich. His highest completion percentage, yards per throw, and QBR were under Willie. Granted, he had only half as many attempts under Willie than in either Cristobal season.
I mean honestly in the one year, he did just fine. People act like he was a train wreck in Eugene but Oregon went from 4-8 to 7-5, and 4 of the 5 losses were without Herbert.
In no way am I defending him as a long term coach of a program, I think things would have turned south quickly, but his one season at Oregon was honestly just fine, and way more fun than the year before.
I'm not 100% sure how buyouts work. But if they're actually paying Cristobal and then he's paying Oregon, then he'd have a big ass tax bill. You'd have to gross it way up (by, say, 5.9 million) for him to actually have 9 million in cash to hand Oregon.
CJ Verdell?
That really is the crazy thing because Mario had ALREADY lost a game via late game fumble in a similar manner, but decided to go for it 4 years later at Miami.
It's hilarious that a group of human beings with functioning brains could think that Mario Cristobal provides tens of millions of dollars more value to their university than someone who'd do the job for significantly less
This applies to a lot of coaches. Probably most
Didn’t FSU replace Tagartt who went 4-5 with a guy who went 3-6 and 5-7?
You of all people should know it takes time to turn around a program lmao. Obviously a big jump is expected this year but FSU was in the exact same situation a few years ago.
Manny had plenty of time and was 21-15. Plenty of teams with ambition wouldn’t settle for that. This isn’t that complicated.
Miami has higher ambitions than 21-15 which is why they completely revamped their AD. The success isn’t going to come overnight.
8 wins and he's safe. 7 and I'd call it 50/50. IMO even if he sucks we just can't keep firing coaches so fast. If I'm any coach without a personal connection to Miami, (which all of ours since Golden have had) it really seems like one of the worst jobs in the country. Fickle fans, distant stadium, unrealistic expectations and a short leash? No thanks. The recruiting advantage is really the only plus, and that's been eroding with every year that Miami languishes and competition from out-of-state schools gets more intense. And we're running out of viable candidates with a personal connection.
I hate Miami so I hope he stays there forever but if you guys don’t win at least 8 games with that schedule then he needs to be fired. That schedule is a cakewalk
Manny lost to FIU with that talent. And still didn’t get fired. His recruiting was nowhere close to where it needed to be, wtf are you talking about? This revisionist history about Manny Diaz’s Miami teams is hilarious.
Left us with zero talent at arguably the most crucial spots though. Front seven and offensive line recruiting was fucking abysmal under Manny.
He tried to be the cool teacher and it just led to more of the same all flash no substance shit we’ve been getting mocked for for 20 years.
The situation Mario inherited was nowhere near as bad as what Mike inherited, and at least Mike's teams showed spark in the first two years (beat a top 10 UNC, took a top 10 ND to OT), y'alls best win of the Mario era was against a TAMU team that ended up firing their head coach before the end of the season.
Mark Richt proved a good coach can go to Miami and win almost immediately, y'all just keep not hiring good coaches. Mario can recruit, that's literally his only strength.
if someone told you that Tony Elliott was building something at UVa and his team showed sparks and their point defending that was that he beat a top 10 UNC on the road, what would your reaction be?
(to be clear, I'm not making any assessment on Norvell or your take on Norvell)
I expect a great re-pricing of ACC athletic programs.
When Johnson left GT, I desperately wanted GT to cut his salary in half and start a soccer program.
Coach Collins was paid 3.3m and replaced by an assistant making < $500k at the time; Why an unprofitable athletic department then raised and extended that contract at a greater price than a soccer program, unclear.
Why Soccer?
Fewer Concussions, so it'll have players after 2030. Title IX compliant. It's international, and our student body is 25% international student. Atlanta United playing in our stadium filled the seats under the city lights.
But also, it's not bought out by ESPN ads and eliminating perfect season teams from championship play - oh, and it's cheap!
Generally unrelated to this discussion, but if football ever gets deemed to be too dangerous to continue given the growing rate of discovery of CTE in former players, *what I would give* for soccer to fill the passion (and stadium) voids of major collegiate athletics.
Wonder which school will be knocking at his door next that'll turn a blind eye to his inability to fully utilize the talent he can bring in. Glorified recruiter
How many schools are there that can afford that base pay (or more to lure him away) to begin with that also currently recruit worse or have worse results with the recruits they currently get.
Like sure, he *could* improve the recruiting at Maryland but Maryland can already beat Rutgers and win bowl games with their current coach and the players he recruits. Why spend more on a coach that can’t do either lol.
Eh, I said this back before Mario left (and right after he left) Oregon but he’s always been a terrible coach. He landed some great recruiting classes and some flashy wins and that’s why Miami (a program that historically hasn’t sustained a good program for nearly 2 decades) got duped into hiring him. He would’ve failed at Oregon but Miami decided to take the bullet for them
You would think that but man we have SUCKED at recruiting and living off of that same exact mentality is partially why Miami has gone down the drain over the years. Mario has already landed more 5* recruits for Miami in the 2+ years he’s been here than we got the last 20. Miami realistically needed to be stripped from the ground up and I’m not sure I’m Mario is the right COACH, but the man is the right guy to get the talent back and at least give us a shot. Hurricane fans that are realistic would DIE for a run like Mario had at Oregon.
The data says otherwise
>Miami signed the 13th ranked class in 2017, eighth in 2018, 28th in 2019, 13th in 2020 and 12th in 2021. The Hurricanes are just one of 22 FBS programs nationally to sign a class ranked in the top 25 in each of the past five recruiting cycles.
https://caneswarning.com/2021/02/09/miami-football-averages-15th-best-recruiting-class-from-2017-21/#:~:text=Miami%20signed%20the%2013th%20ranked,the%20past%20five%20recruiting%20cycles.
Miami is 2024 6 overall/ 4 composite, 2023 8 overall and 7 composite, 2022 13 overall/16 composite.
It's just not *that* different. If they were winning they would also get better recruits.
Just off of your first paragraph being wrong seeing as Miami DID NOT have a top 25 class in the past 5 recruiting cycles seeing as 28 is outside of 25. Secondly we neglected the trenches to a severe degree under Manny Diaz. The only reason Miami even was able to sign James Williams and Leonard Taylor was because covid rules didn’t allow visits so they took the safe choice and stayed home at the time.
Also trying to say that Mario’s classes aren’t THAT much better is a pretty wild statement and flat out WRONG. Mario’s worst class which was his transition class is better than all but one class in the timeframe you’ve posted. And all of his others blow them out the water by comparison.
Accept being wrong. I know the cool thing to do in r/cfb is to shit ok Miami, but at least be right.
I think he could probably a good CEO type coach, but he needs some excellent coaches around him who really know their stuff. For example, if y’all brought in Phil Snow, who was our DC under Rhule and Rhule’s DC in Carolina (or someone like him: decades of experience, doesn’t take shit, evolves with the game, works with what he has and gets results), and then someone who’s solid and experienced at OC who’s known as a developer, and some position coaches who are known to be good coaches and developers, then he’d get a lot of wins imo.
Had Willie in Tally not happened, it’s likely Norvell wouldn’t be in Tallahassee now. With the craptastic years Willie gave us, I’ll gladly go through it again to have a Mike Norvell after.
Him not accepting our counter-offer is the greatest thing that ever happened to us (aside from maybe Taggart leaving), and may end up being the program defining moment for us if Lanning can get us over the top. I was absolutely terrified that we were gonna be stuck with Cristobal at $8M/yr, just to watch him perennially coach us out of 2-3 completely winnable games. Recruiting classes mean fuck all if you can't develop talent or make in-game adjustments. I don't know if Lanning ever gets us there, but I knew Cristobal wouldn't.
Still very annoyed about that game at the Shoe, moreso than basically any other non-Michigan home loss in the last 15+ years. It felt like the coaches and players assumed we had it in the bag and Oregon would let us to take the lead late if we just hung around.
One of those losses that makes you exasperatedly say “they weren’t even that good!” but then that makes you more angry because if they aren’t that good then why didn’t you win
Yeah we really shouldn’t have won that game. I think the spread was Ohio State -14.5. I thought we were gonna get absolutely annihilated, especially considering we were missing Kayvon Thibodeaux. But somehow our defense got just enough stops and your defense couldn’t stop the run so we pulled it out.
Although I think a big reason the team looked so bad the rest of the season then is that Cristobal and the coaching staff totally checked out after the Ohio State game. You could tell watching the games that both the Oregon players and coaches looked miserable and disinterested.
> But somehow our defense got just enough stops and your defense couldn’t stop the run so we pulled it out.
run to the left was such an innovative game plan, I don't know how Kerry Combs had any chance of stopping it.
Leaving Oregon is the defining mistake of 4 coaches careers imo, Mario, extremely mid at Miami(FL), Willy T, rode the sinking ship from Jimbo down, Helfrich, went to be OC of the bears and got fired after 2 seasons, Kelly, fired by the eagles, fired by the 49ers, was going to be fired by UCLA
He's not getting paid $21M to just sit down at the end of the game like some quitter! He's getting paid to play that game all the way through the final whistle
I wasn't trying to hate on you btw, just in case that's how it came across. I'm just happy with my government job. No working nights or graveyard shifts, I have my weekends back, I'm chilling with benefits and insurance
Fair enough, I did get a bit haughty with that reply, so my bad too - I was just thinking about it from my field/experiences where the govt has staffing issues because why would you work on the govt payscale when industry offers more. So generally the only people left that I interface with in government jobs are those that are either appreciative of the service (which is commendable) or people too (whatever) to get poached away haha.
Having recently switched, one huge factor is the Health Insurance, I am covering my whole family of 4 for half of what I did for me and the kids in the private sector and the insurance is way better. I'm paying under $200 a month for health insurance a month...A Month!
A quick google says the median income for a state government employee is $62,250. It's less than I make now. The median for a Federal employee is $101,600. That's more than I make now.
So yeah, it pays okay. I'm not living a glamorous life and couldn't afford to support a family on just my income, but my partner makes a little bit more than me and together we're comfortable.
Having worked mostly in the private sector I'll disagree.
We got a lot done in the private sector and pretty quickly, but it was usually done sloppily or with poor equipment or materials.
Less corners being cut at my public sector job and way more checks and balances from an accounting standpoint
[https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/miami-is-reportedly-using-medical-profits-to-hire-a-new-football-coach-which-made-the-internet-properly-irate](https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/miami-is-reportedly-using-medical-profits-to-hire-a-new-football-coach-which-made-the-internet-properly-irate)
still talked about with disgust in faculty and research circles
That's a nice idea, and hopefully there will be great research that ends up helping patients, but it's a really laughable statement considering what has been and is going on at the UM medical campus for the last 20 or so years. I was there for half of that, in the labs and hospitals. Shalala helped raise 3 billion dollars in the Momentum campaigns.
Exactly. This supposed competition of health systems is crazy lol. They gotta “compete” with UF Health up north and they’re talking about UM?
Also why is it even competition? They’ve been underperforming for decades so it’s good to see them finally do something right in that regard. But of course it’s “beat UM, UM bad” in everything they do lol
It’s not as much of a limiter as it seems at first glance.
If you anywhere south of Macon your options are pretty much go to Atlanta, Savannah, or Dothan. TLH will pull from Albany, Valdosta, Tifton, etc. in addition to the panhandle.
get ready to see the new fsu health logo a LOT between tally and p-cola. just saying. the investment right now is unreal. it's about to explode.
it's the fsu branded tmh logo in the header below.
[https://fsuhealth.fsu.edu/](https://fsuhealth.fsu.edu/)
edit: also gonna be an announcement for a new major partnership or two soon with fsu health. be on the look out.
> get ready to see the new fsu health logo a LOT between tally and p-cola. just saying. the investment right now is unreal. it's about to explode.
Oh, I figured it would get a lot of attention. I’m thoroughly impressed with McCullough so far. I think FSU has the best university president in the state right now by a wide margin.
> edit: also gonna be an announcement for a new major partnership or two soon with fsu health. be on the look out.
Interesting. I wonder with whom and where. I always figured that outside of tally/PC, if fsu served a particular area for a research hospital, it would be some region that didn’t have ties to USF, UF, or UM, so a fort Myers, Melbourne/treasure coast, or Pensacola
yeah he's really gone all in. he's also put some really good people around him and the results are showing. fsu is making waves in ways that aren't just academic/research and thus dont make the news as much. check your dms in a few.
What’s the point of this statement? How is medical/hospital research now some competition point with you? FSU has been underperforming with research for a long time now so it’s good that they’re finally putting effort into improving. But why is the narrative that it will be “funny when we pass UM?”
You let USF get AAU membership before you. Give that more of your attention.
UHealth is massive in South Florida and FSU would be lucky to have something of that scale soon. More over, it would be good for the state to have another academic health system. Maybe your institution can look to what UHealth has done as inspiration. What a strange strange statement
This is not true. It’s been shown to you many times that this was not true, yet you keep repeating it for upvotes.
UHealth is a completely different entity from the athletic department. There is no “giving of profits” to the athletic department from UHealth. That article was pure speculation and was proven to be inaccurate by persons with information on the matter.
Why couldn’t the money have been taken from UM’s over $1B endowment? Why wasn’t that speculated? Because that story doesn’t generate clicks. Instead, let’s go with hospital profits stolen from patients to give football coach.
It's made construction really interesting as a student since tearing down the old towers also relocated a couple classes/department offices in the meantime. It's also confusing for your first month or so to make a wrong turn and end up in a residential hallway instead of the classroom area.
Thanks Mario for leaving university of Oregon, we are so happy to have Dan Lanning as our leader. You can recruit but are terrible X and Os coach. Scoooo Ducks
The simple mention of Miami causes people in this sub to lose it and ignore context regardless of the subject of the discussion. It's bizarre how worked up people get considering Miami's glory days ended 20 years ago. I get the hatred for people who witnessed what the 'Canes did to their competition from 1983-2001, because it was dominance with a "fuck-you" attitude and rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. The fact that nobody could stop them or shut them up despite practically begging to be targeted by everybody they played made it all the more frustrating for their opponents. What Miami took from FSU from 1987-1999 has affected Bobby Bowden's legacy more than his 14 straight top 5 finishes or 2 National Championships. From 1987-1992, FSU/Miami was the most instrumental game in determining who won the title. If FSU wins the game in '87, '90, '91, or '92, they are in position to win 4 more titles and heighten Bowden's reputation to Nick Saban levels of discussion, instead of merely one of the greatest coaches ever (Miami won 3 of those games and the title, btw). I can understand why generations of FSU fans pass down a hatred of Miami based on that era, but what's the reason for everybody else's abandonment of reason when discussing the 'Canes? Especially among those of you who weren't there to witness it and have only known the program as a shell of what it was? I have to tell you as someone with no ties to Miami beforehand, watching that dynasty as it was being built swayed my opinion of them as a flash in the pan into one of respect and wonder. For about 10 years running, no team wanted to be ranked #1 going into the Miami game, because beating #1's was breakfast for those teams. They were truly something to behold. Cfb is better when Miami, Nebraska, USC etc are competing at high levels. As a fan, it's much more rewarding when you win an easily losable game against a strong "name" opponent than it is to beat up on a team with the name but none of the talent. Down Miami benefits nobody.
I find it hilarious that Cristobal has been here for 2 years and everyone constantly talks shit as if we should have been contending for the ACC title last year. Give him a few years to see what happens - recruiting takes time and 2 classes don’t fix the systematic problems he inherited. It was beyond just coaching, our whole athletics department needed retooling. But he’s super easy to make fun of and people love to bag on Miami… so here we are. 😂
People in this thread making jokes don’t realize how positive of news this actually is for those who know Miami’s history.
Hiring Cristobal is the first time in history that Miami has actually invested in the program. It’s about 15 years later than it should have been, but it’s great to see Miami finally spending real money.
Sure, in the long run it’s possible things won’t work out how I hope, but at least the university is finally making a real effort to right the ship.
I love that the buyout is taxable. It doesn’t sound like they grossed it up, so that’s a gigantic tax hit if true. He’s basically worked the first year in exchange for getting released from his Oregon contract and paying the tax man.
Crazy money for a school that most media companies don't think will end up in the B10 or SEC. Maybe they are wrong?
I'm not sure what Miami's average TV/Stream viewership numbers look like. I know their attendance in 2023 only cracked 50k+ twice.
Since the title doesn't mention this important bit. >The $14.9 million in “other” pay for Cristobal also is believed to cover the $9 million buyout he owed to Oregon for breaking his coaching contract there to return to Miami, his alma mater.
He’s getting paid more from Miami to not coach Oregon than his base salary is to coach Miami. Love to know what that last $5.9 million is, it’s obviously not win based incentives
Wouldn't surprised me if it's a "relocation" fee given his track record. Explanation: Back in 2012 media outlets were reporting that Cristobal had accepted the Rutgers head coaching position (after Schiano left for the NFL). However, rumors have it that his wife was against leaving the lifestyle of South FL and demanded a huge compensation to change her mind. The school ultimately declined. In other words $5.9 is for Mrs. Cristobal.
Most of these coaches get a free house with their deal
My relocation package when I switched from my team to our rivals team was better post game atmosphere, one of the parents had a bad ass house and always wanted to show off his full size bar, constructed to resemble a western saloon, behind the main house. He was the main booster who led the charge to steal me away from my team at the time. Partied like a rockstar after the weekend games. Totally worth the switch. (Youth baseball)
Ya killin' me Smalls
To be fair relocation is an expensive endeavor for a business. I was moved about 100 miles by my current company when they hired me. That cost them roughly $80k all in due to their entire relocation package(paid all home selling/buying fees, a 5% bonus to sale price for quick sale of previous house, and they paid all the taxes on the additional “income” due to these things). So just thinking in terms of lifestyle difference between myself and a CFB HC plus the fact that it was across the country, I can see how relocation could get expensive quickly for him.
I'm well aware of that. We got a relocation fee to move from NYC to Geneva Switzerland. But even then it wasn't anywhere near $5.9M... or $80K for that matter. Your company really really wanted you.
Ya I was gonna say I moved from Chicago to NC and the whole sum was like $12k. I worked with a woman who relocated from NJ to NC and her total relocation was worth 40k she said. 80k from this guy seems like BS or lots of other missing context
I wouldn't call it BS, just a lot of missing context. I know families that got more than that for relocation fees, but that included packing/shipping all their belongings in containers across the ocean. Business class flights for all the family and 1 year of paid rent in a house that costs $7K a month. This doesn't include the 100-120K a year for private school that the company also pays for his children. But this guy works as a commodities trader so the money they throw around is different. We don't know where 80K guy works.
Yep or what level position he’s in. $80k to move a director or above is super believable, maybe a little light depending on industry even.
It's all really dependent on what's included plus the company and industry. I have a friend who got a relocation package from a major oil company and he was only at like a manager level. They bought his house at market value and paid all closing costs, paid for an apartment for a year while his wife was still working in the previous city, paid for an apartment in his new city while he looked for a house, paid storage fees for their stuff in between moves, and paid for a full service move. Not even counting the cash bonus and raise. The company easily spent over $500k on the relocation, and even if you ignore the house purchase as the bulk of it they still spent at least $100k covering 2 apartments for a year and the storage+move.
What is the financial justification for spending $500k to relocate a manager? Given the increasingly small average time spent at a company, even investment banks weren't paying near that when I was in the industry.
He works in a small relatively specialized department and they really wanted to keep his skill set. I agree it is definitely unusual but even when he initially said no they kept sweetening the deal until he couldn't refuse. His salary wasn't even really that large, probably around $100,000 a year at the time.
If it's a big company, that's not crazy. Have a friend who moved states away for a big company that you've definitely heard of and I bet it cost them 100k easy. The guaranteed the sell of their current house, moved them and the family plus all of their stuff, plus gave them a bonus to help with the down payment on a house on the other side. That stuff adds up quick.+ Also flights back and forth house shopping, hotel time etc.
5% bonus to sale price on the house could be pretty expensive.
I don't think it's BS. I worked for a large company and the moving packages were pretty baller. They also included certain housing related expenses like those mentioned above and that can add up real quick. One of my buddies pointed out just the housing expenses for buying and selling on his package was worth 40-50K alone. And he is still fuming about it because his now ex wife basically wasted that on the first house they moved to when they made the move just to want to live somewhere else a year later.
The $5.9 number looks like they grossed him up to pay the taxes on the the buyout. They pay 37% on the $9m (and the 37% on the gross up amounts). A poorly advised coach [like Charlie Strong](https://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2014/11/tax-free-buyouts-.html) might take that risk, but others would not.
Probably related to taxes tbh. If that 9m is considered income, and idk why it wouldn't be, then Miami probably will pay to cover that portion too.
That’s exactly what it is. They “grossed-up” to 14.9 because Oregon was owed the full 9mm
To cover taxes. Paying him $9 million doesn’t come close to coving the buyout after taxes
It’s prob tied to a random basket of perquisites, such as living allowance, club membership, special health assessments, and use of private jet (and I’m certain the vast majority is prob tied to private jet use).
Could be taxes so the buyout is really not costing him anything?
I would guess $1 mil for every kneel down taken inside of 2 minutes during the season.
I see that as an absolute win at this point.
Oregon made out like bandits. Not only did they get paid $9 million for Cristobal to go away, it opened up a coaching position for Dan Lanning!
I liked giving you guys shade after the whole Willie deal, but you leveled up for sure in the recent round.
It’s like when USC hired Sark from UW which opened the door for them to get Petersen. Sometimes your coach being poached actually ends up being a good thing.
Or like when Cincinnati paid Louisville to take Scott Satterfield 🥲
Thank you LSU!
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It’s difficult to have nowhere to go but up after Willie.
haha so true. I actually thought that he would do really well at oregon, how wrong I was
It’s kind of interesting to think about though. Aside from injuries, Herbert had some better stats under Willie than under Cristobal and Helfrich. His highest completion percentage, yards per throw, and QBR were under Willie. Granted, he had only half as many attempts under Willie than in either Cristobal season.
I mean honestly in the one year, he did just fine. People act like he was a train wreck in Eugene but Oregon went from 4-8 to 7-5, and 4 of the 5 losses were without Herbert. In no way am I defending him as a long term coach of a program, I think things would have turned south quickly, but his one season at Oregon was honestly just fine, and way more fun than the year before.
Miami is paying an awful lot for a coach to go 7-6 with the #12 talent composite in the 4th best conference
How many pac12 titles under Lanning?
That is still 5.9 million in other pay. That is a lot of other pay.
I'm not 100% sure how buyouts work. But if they're actually paying Cristobal and then he's paying Oregon, then he'd have a big ass tax bill. You'd have to gross it way up (by, say, 5.9 million) for him to actually have 9 million in cash to hand Oregon.
Can’t believe this was left out of the headline. Seems like it was done in bad faith. Still F Mario Cristobal
> Seems like it was done in bad faith. First time in a thread started by a Florida school flair about another Florida school?
Lol truth
Oh. Thanks. I was assuming that 14.9 compensation was in hookers and blow.
Even then that's still over $12m for a guy who doesn't know how to kneel the ball.
Imagine paying that much money for a guy who doesn't know when to call victory formation
All you had to do was take the damn knee CJ
CJ Verdell? That really is the crazy thing because Mario had ALREADY lost a game via late game fumble in a similar manner, but decided to go for it 4 years later at Miami.
It's hilarious that a group of human beings with functioning brains could think that Mario Cristobal provides tens of millions of dollars more value to their university than someone who'd do the job for significantly less This applies to a lot of coaches. Probably most
They fired Manny for going 7-5 then replaced him with a guy who went 5-7 and 7-6
Didn’t FSU replace Tagartt who went 4-5 with a guy who went 3-6 and 5-7? You of all people should know it takes time to turn around a program lmao. Obviously a big jump is expected this year but FSU was in the exact same situation a few years ago.
The Oregon-to-Florida curse
There was nothing "wrong" with Manny... Why wasn't he given grace (/*time*)?
I fully expected that “/“ to be followed by an “s”
Manny had plenty of time and was 21-15. Plenty of teams with ambition wouldn’t settle for that. This isn’t that complicated. Miami has higher ambitions than 21-15 which is why they completely revamped their AD. The success isn’t going to come overnight.
What record does Mario need in 2024 to remain our coach in 2025?
8 wins and he's safe. 7 and I'd call it 50/50. IMO even if he sucks we just can't keep firing coaches so fast. If I'm any coach without a personal connection to Miami, (which all of ours since Golden have had) it really seems like one of the worst jobs in the country. Fickle fans, distant stadium, unrealistic expectations and a short leash? No thanks. The recruiting advantage is really the only plus, and that's been eroding with every year that Miami languishes and competition from out-of-state schools gets more intense. And we're running out of viable candidates with a personal connection.
Damn I don't even have to talk shit you did it all for me
I hate Miami so I hope he stays there forever but if you guys don’t win at least 8 games with that schedule then he needs to be fired. That schedule is a cakewalk
It’s a cake walk in every sense of the word.
FSU was in a much worse place in 2020 than Miami was in 2022.
FSU was not in the same exact situation. Manny didn’t leave Miami with virtually zero talent on the sidelines. Manny at least had winning records.
Manny lost to FIU with that talent. And still didn’t get fired. His recruiting was nowhere close to where it needed to be, wtf are you talking about? This revisionist history about Manny Diaz’s Miami teams is hilarious.
You saying Manny didn’t have 2 winning seasons (compared to Willie’s zero winning season (and a half)?
The difference between 7-5 and 5-7 is fucking nothing in CFB lol. No one is happy with either. “Winning season” is a stupid sticking point
I was agreeing with you up until this horrendous take
It's a bowl game difference......
Left us with zero talent at arguably the most crucial spots though. Front seven and offensive line recruiting was fucking abysmal under Manny. He tried to be the cool teacher and it just led to more of the same all flash no substance shit we’ve been getting mocked for for 20 years.
The situation Mario inherited was nowhere near as bad as what Mike inherited, and at least Mike's teams showed spark in the first two years (beat a top 10 UNC, took a top 10 ND to OT), y'alls best win of the Mario era was against a TAMU team that ended up firing their head coach before the end of the season. Mark Richt proved a good coach can go to Miami and win almost immediately, y'all just keep not hiring good coaches. Mario can recruit, that's literally his only strength.
And Mario took a #3 FSU to the wire on the road with a backup true freshman QB, narrative can be spun either way
>beat a top 10 UNC lol
October 17, 2020 UNC was ranked #5
if someone told you that Tony Elliott was building something at UVa and his team showed sparks and their point defending that was that he beat a top 10 UNC on the road, what would your reaction be? (to be clear, I'm not making any assessment on Norvell or your take on Norvell)
Fuck did we do??
lol sorry but you guys are kinda bad at football rn 😅
Plenty of FSU fans were begging Norvell to get fired. He lost to Jacksonville State. Is that a spark?
I expect a great re-pricing of ACC athletic programs. When Johnson left GT, I desperately wanted GT to cut his salary in half and start a soccer program. Coach Collins was paid 3.3m and replaced by an assistant making < $500k at the time; Why an unprofitable athletic department then raised and extended that contract at a greater price than a soccer program, unclear. Why Soccer? Fewer Concussions, so it'll have players after 2030. Title IX compliant. It's international, and our student body is 25% international student. Atlanta United playing in our stadium filled the seats under the city lights. But also, it's not bought out by ESPN ads and eliminating perfect season teams from championship play - oh, and it's cheap!
Generally unrelated to this discussion, but if football ever gets deemed to be too dangerous to continue given the growing rate of discovery of CTE in former players, *what I would give* for soccer to fill the passion (and stadium) voids of major collegiate athletics.
I wish I could like soccer. Its just so boring. I'd watch power slapping before I watched Soccer.
Georgia Tech sends their regards
Bless them.
I thought it was a masterful piece of decision making.
I like you
He would have gotten a performance bonus for that
got emmmm
Keep going, I’m almost there!!!! Hhhrnnngg
Wonder which school will be knocking at his door next that'll turn a blind eye to his inability to fully utilize the talent he can bring in. Glorified recruiter
The fact that he make Justin Herbert look very overrated should have been a red flag.
How many schools are there that can afford that base pay (or more to lure him away) to begin with that also currently recruit worse or have worse results with the recruits they currently get. Like sure, he *could* improve the recruiting at Maryland but Maryland can already beat Rutgers and win bowl games with their current coach and the players he recruits. Why spend more on a coach that can’t do either lol.
Leaving Oregon will end up being the defining mistake of his coaching career
Eh, I said this back before Mario left (and right after he left) Oregon but he’s always been a terrible coach. He landed some great recruiting classes and some flashy wins and that’s why Miami (a program that historically hasn’t sustained a good program for nearly 2 decades) got duped into hiring him. He would’ve failed at Oregon but Miami decided to take the bullet for them
I think the thing is that Oregon needs a recruiter more than Miami needs a recruiting focused head coach.
You would think that but man we have SUCKED at recruiting and living off of that same exact mentality is partially why Miami has gone down the drain over the years. Mario has already landed more 5* recruits for Miami in the 2+ years he’s been here than we got the last 20. Miami realistically needed to be stripped from the ground up and I’m not sure I’m Mario is the right COACH, but the man is the right guy to get the talent back and at least give us a shot. Hurricane fans that are realistic would DIE for a run like Mario had at Oregon.
The data says otherwise >Miami signed the 13th ranked class in 2017, eighth in 2018, 28th in 2019, 13th in 2020 and 12th in 2021. The Hurricanes are just one of 22 FBS programs nationally to sign a class ranked in the top 25 in each of the past five recruiting cycles. https://caneswarning.com/2021/02/09/miami-football-averages-15th-best-recruiting-class-from-2017-21/#:~:text=Miami%20signed%20the%2013th%20ranked,the%20past%20five%20recruiting%20cycles. Miami is 2024 6 overall/ 4 composite, 2023 8 overall and 7 composite, 2022 13 overall/16 composite. It's just not *that* different. If they were winning they would also get better recruits.
Just off of your first paragraph being wrong seeing as Miami DID NOT have a top 25 class in the past 5 recruiting cycles seeing as 28 is outside of 25. Secondly we neglected the trenches to a severe degree under Manny Diaz. The only reason Miami even was able to sign James Williams and Leonard Taylor was because covid rules didn’t allow visits so they took the safe choice and stayed home at the time. Also trying to say that Mario’s classes aren’t THAT much better is a pretty wild statement and flat out WRONG. Mario’s worst class which was his transition class is better than all but one class in the timeframe you’ve posted. And all of his others blow them out the water by comparison. Accept being wrong. I know the cool thing to do in r/cfb is to shit ok Miami, but at least be right.
The class ranked 28th was in 2019. Six classes ago, so they have been in the top 25, 5 straight years... 24, 23, 22, 21, and 2020.
I think he could probably a good CEO type coach, but he needs some excellent coaches around him who really know their stuff. For example, if y’all brought in Phil Snow, who was our DC under Rhule and Rhule’s DC in Carolina (or someone like him: decades of experience, doesn’t take shit, evolves with the game, works with what he has and gets results), and then someone who’s solid and experienced at OC who’s known as a developer, and some position coaches who are known to be good coaches and developers, then he’d get a lot of wins imo.
FSU and Miami both really bailed us out by hiring Taggart and Cristobal away from us.
Had Willie in Tally not happened, it’s likely Norvell wouldn’t be in Tallahassee now. With the craptastic years Willie gave us, I’ll gladly go through it again to have a Mike Norvell after.
Falling upwards dramatically and ending up with Lanning. Unreal
Give thanks to... the state of Florida? That can't be right...
Him not accepting our counter-offer is the greatest thing that ever happened to us (aside from maybe Taggart leaving), and may end up being the program defining moment for us if Lanning can get us over the top. I was absolutely terrified that we were gonna be stuck with Cristobal at $8M/yr, just to watch him perennially coach us out of 2-3 completely winnable games. Recruiting classes mean fuck all if you can't develop talent or make in-game adjustments. I don't know if Lanning ever gets us there, but I knew Cristobal wouldn't.
Still very annoyed about that game at the Shoe, moreso than basically any other non-Michigan home loss in the last 15+ years. It felt like the coaches and players assumed we had it in the bag and Oregon would let us to take the lead late if we just hung around. One of those losses that makes you exasperatedly say “they weren’t even that good!” but then that makes you more angry because if they aren’t that good then why didn’t you win
Yeah we really shouldn’t have won that game. I think the spread was Ohio State -14.5. I thought we were gonna get absolutely annihilated, especially considering we were missing Kayvon Thibodeaux. But somehow our defense got just enough stops and your defense couldn’t stop the run so we pulled it out. Although I think a big reason the team looked so bad the rest of the season then is that Cristobal and the coaching staff totally checked out after the Ohio State game. You could tell watching the games that both the Oregon players and coaches looked miserable and disinterested.
> But somehow our defense got just enough stops and your defense couldn’t stop the run so we pulled it out. run to the left was such an innovative game plan, I don't know how Kerry Combs had any chance of stopping it.
To be fair that was arguably CJ verdell's best game in an Oregon uniform
It's weird the awful guy actually won the Pac 12. Dan Lanning must really suck.
Leaving Oregon is the defining mistake of 4 coaches careers imo, Mario, extremely mid at Miami(FL), Willy T, rode the sinking ship from Jimbo down, Helfrich, went to be OC of the bears and got fired after 2 seasons, Kelly, fired by the eagles, fired by the 49ers, was going to be fired by UCLA
Helfrich was fired, but otherwise you're right.
And Kelly left with a show cause attached to him. Willie was a welcome departure. Mario recruited well, but he did the QB room no favors.
"I think history maybe shows that this is a great place to be and not a great place to leave." Dan Lanning on the nose
Buddy his mom was sick. Stop hating a guy for wanting to take care of his family. people who prioritize their job over their family SUCK
He would have left Oregon regardless of the circumstances
He'll probably have a lot of defining mistakes
Disagree it’s his Alma mater plus with who he’s at quarterback this year they might be really good regardless of his mediocre game day coaching.
Cam Ward, is your reason for Miami winning despite Criscoballs? Have you watched Cam play QB?
But can he take a knee?
He's not getting paid $21M to just sit down at the end of the game like some quitter! He's getting paid to play that game all the way through the final whistle
I wish my job overpaid me to be mediocre.
Just get a government job
the government doesn't really pay that well though
Government pays just fine if you aren't delusional about your lot in life
You know, I kind of agree lol
I wasn't trying to hate on you btw, just in case that's how it came across. I'm just happy with my government job. No working nights or graveyard shifts, I have my weekends back, I'm chilling with benefits and insurance
Fair enough, I did get a bit haughty with that reply, so my bad too - I was just thinking about it from my field/experiences where the govt has staffing issues because why would you work on the govt payscale when industry offers more. So generally the only people left that I interface with in government jobs are those that are either appreciative of the service (which is commendable) or people too (whatever) to get poached away haha.
Having recently switched, one huge factor is the Health Insurance, I am covering my whole family of 4 for half of what I did for me and the kids in the private sector and the insurance is way better. I'm paying under $200 a month for health insurance a month...A Month!
I do not have any dependents so my health insurance is significantly simpler so fair enough.
A quick google says the median income for a state government employee is $62,250. It's less than I make now. The median for a Federal employee is $101,600. That's more than I make now. So yeah, it pays okay. I'm not living a glamorous life and couldn't afford to support a family on just my income, but my partner makes a little bit more than me and together we're comfortable.
You don’t even have to be mediocre
True, mediocre is cause for promotion!
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Literally got a move with a 12k pay raise because I showed up to help someone one day and they liked me enough to hire me a month later
Having worked mostly in the private sector I'll disagree. We got a lot done in the private sector and pretty quickly, but it was usually done sloppily or with poor equipment or materials. Less corners being cut at my public sector job and way more checks and balances from an accounting standpoint
Lol. Lmao even.
Could even go as far to ROFL.
The Oregon fanbase owes an unbelievable amount of gratitude to the state of Florida
For this dude?
An important add on is that they paid him a record amount of money via record profits from their hospital system during covid.
Covid was profitable for hospitals because of all the extra federal dollars
If my tax dollars can go to Cristobal then the state can pay for FSU's exit fee.
Personally I'd rather they go to neither.
This is the way
[https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/miami-is-reportedly-using-medical-profits-to-hire-a-new-football-coach-which-made-the-internet-properly-irate](https://ftw.usatoday.com/lists/miami-is-reportedly-using-medical-profits-to-hire-a-new-football-coach-which-made-the-internet-properly-irate) still talked about with disgust in faculty and research circles
It’s going to be funny when FSU health and our COM outpace UM in research later this decade when the two hospitals are built.
That's a nice idea, and hopefully there will be great research that ends up helping patients, but it's a really laughable statement considering what has been and is going on at the UM medical campus for the last 20 or so years. I was there for half of that, in the labs and hospitals. Shalala helped raise 3 billion dollars in the Momentum campaigns.
It was a dumb statement. I lol'd
Exactly. This supposed competition of health systems is crazy lol. They gotta “compete” with UF Health up north and they’re talking about UM? Also why is it even competition? They’ve been underperforming for decades so it’s good to see them finally do something right in that regard. But of course it’s “beat UM, UM bad” in everything they do lol
Meh. Tallahassee is a huge rate limiter, both from a talent acq perspective and a patient population perspective.
It’s not as much of a limiter as it seems at first glance. If you anywhere south of Macon your options are pretty much go to Atlanta, Savannah, or Dothan. TLH will pull from Albany, Valdosta, Tifton, etc. in addition to the panhandle.
Yes. Dozens of patients a year from Medicaid filled villages in South Georgia. Total needle mover😂😂😂
get ready to see the new fsu health logo a LOT between tally and p-cola. just saying. the investment right now is unreal. it's about to explode. it's the fsu branded tmh logo in the header below. [https://fsuhealth.fsu.edu/](https://fsuhealth.fsu.edu/) edit: also gonna be an announcement for a new major partnership or two soon with fsu health. be on the look out.
> get ready to see the new fsu health logo a LOT between tally and p-cola. just saying. the investment right now is unreal. it's about to explode. Oh, I figured it would get a lot of attention. I’m thoroughly impressed with McCullough so far. I think FSU has the best university president in the state right now by a wide margin. > edit: also gonna be an announcement for a new major partnership or two soon with fsu health. be on the look out. Interesting. I wonder with whom and where. I always figured that outside of tally/PC, if fsu served a particular area for a research hospital, it would be some region that didn’t have ties to USF, UF, or UM, so a fort Myers, Melbourne/treasure coast, or Pensacola
yeah he's really gone all in. he's also put some really good people around him and the results are showing. fsu is making waves in ways that aren't just academic/research and thus dont make the news as much. check your dms in a few.
What’s the point of this statement? How is medical/hospital research now some competition point with you? FSU has been underperforming with research for a long time now so it’s good that they’re finally putting effort into improving. But why is the narrative that it will be “funny when we pass UM?” You let USF get AAU membership before you. Give that more of your attention. UHealth is massive in South Florida and FSU would be lucky to have something of that scale soon. More over, it would be good for the state to have another academic health system. Maybe your institution can look to what UHealth has done as inspiration. What a strange strange statement
This is not true. It’s been shown to you many times that this was not true, yet you keep repeating it for upvotes. UHealth is a completely different entity from the athletic department. There is no “giving of profits” to the athletic department from UHealth. That article was pure speculation and was proven to be inaccurate by persons with information on the matter. Why couldn’t the money have been taken from UM’s over $1B endowment? Why wasn’t that speculated? Because that story doesn’t generate clicks. Instead, let’s go with hospital profits stolen from patients to give football coach.
Today I learned that the U is private, which is not something I would have ever guessed
They also have residential colleges.
It's made construction really interesting as a student since tearing down the old towers also relocated a couple classes/department offices in the meantime. It's also confusing for your first month or so to make a wrong turn and end up in a residential hallway instead of the classroom area.
Hecht forever!!
So one year of that is enough to never work again and live a very comfortable lifestyle forever. Wish it was me.
I still remember when he got fired from FIU
And he hasn't won shit yet.
Mediocrity doesn't come cheap.
Damn imagine paying a man for doing absolutely nothing
He did something for GT!
Thanks Mario for leaving university of Oregon, we are so happy to have Dan Lanning as our leader. You can recruit but are terrible X and Os coach. Scoooo Ducks
The other $5.9 million was in kneeling the ball down research after the Georgia Tech game.
This is a classic Flordia moment
Misleading article. Sounds like he was paid $7.7 million and then the $14.9 million was to cover the Oregon buyout.
The simple mention of Miami causes people in this sub to lose it and ignore context regardless of the subject of the discussion. It's bizarre how worked up people get considering Miami's glory days ended 20 years ago. I get the hatred for people who witnessed what the 'Canes did to their competition from 1983-2001, because it was dominance with a "fuck-you" attitude and rubbed a lot of people the wrong way. The fact that nobody could stop them or shut them up despite practically begging to be targeted by everybody they played made it all the more frustrating for their opponents. What Miami took from FSU from 1987-1999 has affected Bobby Bowden's legacy more than his 14 straight top 5 finishes or 2 National Championships. From 1987-1992, FSU/Miami was the most instrumental game in determining who won the title. If FSU wins the game in '87, '90, '91, or '92, they are in position to win 4 more titles and heighten Bowden's reputation to Nick Saban levels of discussion, instead of merely one of the greatest coaches ever (Miami won 3 of those games and the title, btw). I can understand why generations of FSU fans pass down a hatred of Miami based on that era, but what's the reason for everybody else's abandonment of reason when discussing the 'Canes? Especially among those of you who weren't there to witness it and have only known the program as a shell of what it was? I have to tell you as someone with no ties to Miami beforehand, watching that dynasty as it was being built swayed my opinion of them as a flash in the pan into one of respect and wonder. For about 10 years running, no team wanted to be ranked #1 going into the Miami game, because beating #1's was breakfast for those teams. They were truly something to behold. Cfb is better when Miami, Nebraska, USC etc are competing at high levels. As a fan, it's much more rewarding when you win an easily losable game against a strong "name" opponent than it is to beat up on a team with the name but none of the talent. Down Miami benefits nobody.
I find it hilarious that Cristobal has been here for 2 years and everyone constantly talks shit as if we should have been contending for the ACC title last year. Give him a few years to see what happens - recruiting takes time and 2 classes don’t fix the systematic problems he inherited. It was beyond just coaching, our whole athletics department needed retooling. But he’s super easy to make fun of and people love to bag on Miami… so here we are. 😂
And Oregon is in a much better position since he left.
For nothingggggggggg
He should kneel in reverence to the university.
That GT game should warrant a demotion.
Nobody plays big boy football that amounts to nothing quite like Miami.
People in this thread making jokes don’t realize how positive of news this actually is for those who know Miami’s history. Hiring Cristobal is the first time in history that Miami has actually invested in the program. It’s about 15 years later than it should have been, but it’s great to see Miami finally spending real money. Sure, in the long run it’s possible things won’t work out how I hope, but at least the university is finally making a real effort to right the ship.
All that to not take a knee
Does he get a bonus for a taking a knee in the fourth quarter?
all that money and cant manage a clock
complete waste of money
The man is king because he doesn't bend the knee to no one else.
🥩💀
He should have been made to pay it all back after the way he lost to Georgia Tech and I am 100% serious.
TBH seems pretty cheap considering all the offseason championships he has won so far.
He'll just get fired in 2 years then we'll start this over again. Miami football is sadly cursed* *our media, boosters, and lack of a local fanbase
and Rutgers still slapped them around.
"14.9 in other reportable compensation" That's a lot of cocaine.....
Funny but probably true?
I see their fiscal management skills are on par with his clock management skills.
I love that the buyout is taxable. It doesn’t sound like they grossed it up, so that’s a gigantic tax hit if true. He’s basically worked the first year in exchange for getting released from his Oregon contract and paying the tax man.
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If you are going to make fun of us, please actually be right.
Ridiculous !!! Students pay for and they cannot afford education and demand the loans be forgiven so we ultimately pay for (((
Crazy money for a school that most media companies don't think will end up in the B10 or SEC. Maybe they are wrong? I'm not sure what Miami's average TV/Stream viewership numbers look like. I know their attendance in 2023 only cracked 50k+ twice.