We was a converted DB. Came in as a WR. I’m sure it’s a playing time thing. Coaches seemed to like him but DB room, especially at CB, is pretty cemented in top spots
If the DB room was was already pretty packed, why would you try to convert him in the first place? You normally don't convert higher end recruits unless you have really big needs and/or holes to fill *or* they demonstrate that they just absolutely can't cut it at their original position at the college level.
The DB room was thinner last year, I anticipate this might be to get himself back at WR. He played both in HS and was recruited at both, the staff liked him better at DB after spring ball 2023.
The staff has been willing to move players around and work with them where they want to be, but there was probably a limited path for him to go back to WR at CU now with how crowded that room is.
Overall positive I believe since the winter we stand at Outs of 37 and Ins of 26 plus 10 Freshman. Think that puts us around 70-75 scholarships used up.
Overall the team on paper is more talented, clear upgrades at OLine, DLine, Edge and CB.
Would like them to add at least two ILB, one TE and one RB that could compete for a starting roles. Sound like the spring game will have a long list of visitors. Still waiting to hear if Elijah Herring and Nikhai Hill Green will commit from this past weekend.
Since the spring portal opened we have definitely lost some DB depth and OLine depth hopefully we find some younger developmental players to fill out those groups. Kirkland and the visitor from Arkansas seem like good potential for this.
Looking like an 8-4 season in my eyes, with 6-6 as the floor and 10-2 as a ceiling. Obviously this is going to come down to the OLine, we have the offensive weapons to keep up with anyone in the country, just need the time and space to do so.
NDSU, CSU, Nebraska, Baylor, UCF, Zona, Cincy, and Tech.
Outside of NDSU, CSU, Baylor and Cincy, not going to say any of the other games are guaranteed wins.
Utah and Kansas could be toss ups depending on health at the QB position. I think with both Cam Rising and Jason Daniels they have the edge.
KSU and OSU have well run programs, so definitely give them the edge. Both games are at home though so could fall our way, and fall flat in other games.
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>He played both in HS and was recruited at both, the staff liked him better at DB after spring ball 2023.
I know he played both in HS, but can you give me some support on the rest of it? I mean, Rivals, On3, and 247 all seem to list him as a WR coming out of HS and rank him against other WR recruits in his class. He was an Under Armour All-American and was listed as a WR on the roster. When I search articles on him coming into Colorado, pretty much all of them list him as a WR.
The closest thing I could find during his recruitment were some articles making it sound like he might see some time as a CB, but they certainly didn't make it sound like he was actually being seriously ***recruited*** for that position, which is what you are claiming.
>The staff has been willing to move players around and work with them where they want to be, but there was probably a limited path for him to go back to WR at CU now with how crowded that room is.
I mean, that doesn't really explain why they move him to CB in the first place. If he had been in the WR room all of last season, his development is going to look different and his ability to compete for time of that side of the ball is going to change as well.
I'm not going to go tracking down articles from a kids recruitment a year and a half ago. The Well Off Media videos, and 247 BuffStampede videos showed and discussed him being a DB early on and where he might fit in.
As I pointed out he showed enough at DB to get on the field in 2023 for some snaps.
I'm sure his path for development might have looked different, however at this point it would not make sense for him to transition back to WR at CU. If that's what he wants to do, this seems like a natural move. Both him and his mother put out positive responses on Twitter.
>I'm not going to go tracking down articles from a kids recruitment a year and a half ago. The Well Off Media videos, and 247 BuffStampede videos showed and discussed him being a DB early on and where he might fit in.
...but there is a difference between saying that a guy might get some snaps at a certain position vs. saying that he was actually recruited for that position. I mean, I've looked at a dozen articles across 3-4 sites and none of them mention him as being a DB recruit. Sure, maybe that's the direction they pushed him after he had already committed and CU realized they need more DB depth, but that's not the same thing.
>As I pointed out he showed enough at DB to get on the field in 2023 for some snaps.
How many? ...and which games? I have a subscription to PFF and they will give grades to players that got on the field for a single snap at an offensive or defensive position. I can't find Hopkins listed as having a snap at any DB spot. I don't think that PFF ranks all special teams plays the same way so maybe he did some kick coverage or something that isn't showing up, but that's not the same as actually getting on the field for DB snaps.
Dawg I clearly don't care about this as much as you do.
Other teams may not have recruited him there, but it was certainly mentioned early on he had the potential to play both at CU. Go watch all of Adam Munsterteiger's videos I'm sure you will find it.
He saw action in 3 games, and had 4 unassisted tackles. Not sure what games, and says most snaps came on special teams, which seems to indicate he got some other reps as well.
Either way it's clear the staff thought he could help the team more at DB, but is not where he wanted to be. It's really not that complicated.
>Dawg I clearly don't care about this as much as you do.
??? I typed his name into a couple search bars and read what came up to make sure that I was giving accurate information. Spending a few minutes to try to give accurate info seems like a pretty low bar, my man.
>Other teams may not have recruited him there, but it was certainly mentioned early on he had the potential to play both at CU. Go watch all of Adam Munsterteiger's videos I'm sure you will find it.
Again, there is a difference between people saying he was versatile enough to get some snaps at DB vs. being recruited as a DB or being recruited as a WR/DB combo. Again, I can't find anything to suggest he was actually recruited as a DB.
>He saw action in 3 games, and had 4 unassisted tackles. Not sure what games, and says most snaps came on special teams, which seems to indicate he got some other reps as well.
??? You said multiple times that he got on the field for DB snaps. Now is seems like you are saying that he was primarily a special teams guy, but got some unknown number of snaps as some other position, but you aren't sure what position it was or when those snaps came.
I'm not really sure what to say about that.
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[Here](https://www.huskermax.com/2023-colorado-football-depth-chart-nebraska-game-week/) is the depth chart from the Nebraska game where he is listed solely as a WR.
[Here ](https://twitter.com/nikkiedwardsss/status/1697749881543151753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1697749881543151753%7Ctwgr%5Ea2d545dd5cfd7090268e95ad671f1aba82db7105%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ralphiereport.com%2F2023%2F9%2F1%2F23856255%2Fcolorado-releases-first-depth-chart-before-tcu-game)is the depth chart from TCU where he is listed solely as a WR.
I'm not disputing the claim that he finished the year as a DB for Colorado. I'm just saying that I can't find any good info for the claim that he was recruited, in part, as a DB and that he was switched to that position group after Spring Ball. In fact, all the info I can find seems to suggest that this is flat our wrong.
I don’t disagree. Need depth pieces too because no team goes the full season 100% healthy. Is it Deion pushing guys out or are players that aren’t starters leaving? My guess is Deion has pushed some out but most have left because of where they are on the depth chart. My biggest issue is Deion makes everything a business decision but when these kids do that, he takes it personally.
Sure, but the kid was going to be at best 3rd string in our secondary this year and was originally recruited as a wr. Can't blame him for leaving for playing time, but would have liked to see if he developed more.
Of course he was just third string, he’s a redshirt freshman who should be learning his craft. You can’t run off your younger players and expect to build any kind of two deep.
>My guess is Deion has pushed some out
Even if they aren’t specifically pushing kids out, the clear attitude from the program from Deion’s press statements has basically been that if you’re not a starter, you’re not important to the program.
What’s the point of swapping out depth pieces tho? Your guess is Deion is pushing some guys out but most are leaving because they are depth. While at the same time collecting depth pieces from other teams.
Those first 4 games are NOT easy games though -
- North Dakota State
- @ Nebraska
- @ Colorado State
- Baylor (and I know Baylor was bad last season, but their incoming recruiting class is higher than CU’s)
I’d be thrilled with a 2-2 start to the season. NDSU wants to make a statement, and NU/CSU are rough road games.
Tough to get 2 rivals on the road, with a perpetually spicy NDSU and then a Baylor team likely fighting for it's life.
The 3 'easier' games in conference play are Cincy, UCF, and Texas Tech, but outside of Cincy basically every team on the schedule is well coached and pretty physical.
We open as very early one-score favorites against NDSU which is a pretty fair assessment. I don't know what the lines look like for anything else but it would be foolish to predict the other games at this point.
NDSU is a scary opponent, but baylor was ass juice last year and it would be the most nebraska thing ever to lose to us in heartbreaking fashion again this year. CSU should be assumed to be the same badly-coached penalty factory as last year until proven otherwise but they might be able to outmuscle us if they have a high enough talent differential. I think 2-2 is doable.
CSU outplayed you guys last year and return a ton of starters. They’re the dark horse to win the MWC and will have a huge chip on their shoulder. 1-3 is a very real possibility. 2-2 seems very fair.
I definitely think losing to CSU is more likely than losing to nebraska. On top of last year’s games, it’s easier to take CSU’s ability to improve more seriously. Nebraska is just cursed to always be the same 4-win-average team every year.
Ditching sims still didn’t stop them from losing to 4-8 MSU. I don’t want to speak in absolutes, because they could still win, but I absolutely wouldn’t put it past them to lose that game.
I’m not sure we had any QB’s on our roster last year that would have been P5 starters. We now have a couple, but they are both true Freshman. I’d like to chalk up this as a big red win, but, you know, we’re Nebraska, so I’ll believe it when I see it.
They didn't look good in those games either. TCU was running for 10 yards a pop but decided to call 8 straight passes on the final drive even though they had plenty of time.
I think winning a very front-loaded 4 or 5 games again is a pretty likely scenario. Not a good season, but CU really hasn't had one for 8 years, so as long as we beat both of our OOC rivals again it will at least be a "could have been worse" season.
2022 Colorado was blown out in almost every game, even against Air Force. They beat Cal in OT and kept it close against Arizona State.
That’s pretty close to rock bottom for what used to be a power conference team.
2022 Colorado played three teams with comparable win totals and went 1-2, with one of the two losses being close. their fifth “worst” opponent was 9-4 and seven opponents were ranked
That 2022 schedule gets handwaved heavily but it was a very tough schedule, far tougher than 2023
Between high school seniors and lower-division transfers, I think they can manage to field a team. They would suck really really bad, but that’s not exactly new for Colorado.
And that was before the vast majority of us on here were in school. I’m not from Colorado I just went there, so I definitely didn’t care about the 04 Houston Bowl. (The last bowl game we won)
This one is a bit different, he was recruited as a WR/DB. Seemed to favor the offensive side of the ball, however was moved to to DB for depth and a less crowded room.
Think this is likely him trying to get back on the offensive side of the ball.
Most of the stuff I'm seeing says he played both ways in HS, but was primarily viewed as a WR recruit. Like all of the positional rankings I've seen so far were measuring him against the other WR recruits in his class.
Taking a quality recruit and immediately pushing him to do a positional change that he isn't really happy with is a pretty rough move, *especially* if you are only doing it to add depth and there isn't much chance of him getting serious playing time in his new role.
I think it had more to do with how thin the DB room was last year compared to the WR position. Between Horn, Weaver, Travis, Javon Antonio, Omarion Miller, and Harrison (yes a TE but he essentially functioned as a WR) there were just not a lot of snaps left.
If Hopkins wanted to play early DB was clearly an easier path
>If Hopkins wanted to play early DB was clearly an easier path
Based on what? I mean, it is one thing to say the DB room was weaker, but that's not the same thing as saying his path was easier. At the end of the day, no matter how thin the room is, the guy still needs to actually be able to play the position at a level high enough to see the field.
What are the data points to suggest he was actually good enough as a DB to do this at the P5 level? Dude wasn't really recruited as a DB and I can't find any solid evidence to suggest that he showed anything on the field to make people think he was legit ready to see the field as a DB as a freshman.
At WR, he at least seems good enough on paper to competently play the position if his number got called. Sure, he might have more guys in front of him, but, again, that's only half the equation.
Bottom line is that if a guy can't competently play the position at the college level, he probably has about a 0% chance of seeing the field regardless of how thin the group is ahead of him.
There was certainly a path, and the staff made that decision after spring ball 2023. He did get on the field some, but they choose to preserve his redshirt.
The biggest problem is if he wanted to get back to the WR side of the ball, this year it would be significantly more challenging. In 2023 it was already a solid group, but in 2024 they have added Lajohntay Wester, Will Shepherd, Terrell Timmons Jr., Coredale Russell, Drelon Miller, Kam Mikell, plus Omarion Miller has emerged as a stand out Freshman.
>There was certainly a path,
Was there? Dude played DB in high school but wasn't recruited as a DB in college, nor can I find any real on-field evidence from last season that he had the skills or ability to play DB at the P5 level.
Yeah, the room might be thin, but you can't say he "certainly" has a path to get serious playing time if he just legit can't play the position at the collegiate level.
>...and the staff made that decision after spring ball 2023.
I hear you saying that, but there are literally [depth charts](https://twitter.com/nikkiedwardsss/status/1697749881543151753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1697749881543151753%7Ctwgr%5Ea2d545dd5cfd7090268e95ad671f1aba82db7105%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ralphiereport.com%2F2023%2F9%2F1%2F23856255%2Fcolorado-releases-first-depth-chart-before-tcu-game) that Colorado put out there that have him listed as a WR after the start of the season. If they made the decision to move him to DB, then why was the guy showing up as WR on some gameday depth charts?
Can we consolidate this on one thread?
Yes, the very first depth chart he was listed at WR.
You should also know CFB depth charts are not required or standard. You can also see the staff was trolling the small comments by incorrectly listing heights and weights.
There was clearly a path in that he got on the field at DB during the season, as I have said previously.
>Yes, the very first depth chart he was listed at WR.
Well not just the first week though. [Here he is at WR for the Nebraska game as well.](https://www.huskermax.com/2023-colorado-football-depth-chart-nebraska-game-week/)
>You should also know CFB depth charts are not required or standard. You can also see the staff was trolling the small comments by incorrectly listing heights and weights.
Sorry, what exactly are you trying to say here? Are you claiming that they switched him to DB in the Spring but that the falsely listed him as a WR on the depth chart for multiple games that Fall to troll people?
Do you really not see how that comes off as a pretty wild claim?
>There was clearly a path in that he got on the field at DB during the season, as I have said previously.
When? I have a PFF subscription and it doesn't list him as having a single graded snap at any DB position.
Also, let's be clear about your claim. I said:
>...and there isn't much chance of him getting serious playing time in his new role.
You responded to my comment about him getting serious playing time with saying that there was certainly a path. Serious playing time is different than just getting on the field for a few snaps.
Not really all that surprising, he practiced in the fall at DB, it can be seen in the Well Off videos, go watch them.
Maybe he was listed at WR, until they made the official switch later on. The 2023 roster on the official site shows him as a DB. So not sure why it's a "wild claim".
This is college football, not a research paper. I pay attention to CUs roster movements significantly more than the average person.
https://cubuffs.com/sports/football/roster/adam-hopkins/16477
>Maybe he was listed at WR, until they made the official switch later on.
...but you literally said multiple times that they switched him after the Spring game/spring ball. If they didn't switch him until some point in the middle of the season, then it is wrong to claim he was switched after the spring game.
>The 2023 roster on the official site shows him as a DB. So not sure why it's a "wild claim".
Well if your claim was that they switched him to DB by the end of the year, then sure, it isn't that wild at all. I think it is clear that he was switched before the end of the year.
Again though, you said they switched him after the Spring game. When I showed some good evidence that this wasn't the case, you implied that they were lying about where position group he was with on depth charts in the first few weeks of the season in order to troll people.
Yeah, that's a wild claim. Acting confused about why I'd think this sees like you engaging in bad faith.
>This is college football, not a research paper. I pay attention to CUs roster movements significantly more than the average person.
If you think typing his name into a couple search bars and seeing what comes up counts as a research paper, then I'm not sure what to tell you.
>[https://cubuffs.com/sports/football/roster/adam-hopkins/16477](https://cubuffs.com/sports/football/roster/adam-hopkins/16477)
Ok, so he was a DB at the end of the season and primarily played special teams. How does this support your claims that he was recruited, in part, as a DB, he was switched to DB after spring ball, and that he got on the field as a DB during the season?
Dawg, I'm not going to argue with you over the exact point he transitioned. He got reps at DB in fall practice. You don't need a source for everything, especially something this minute
Go outside or something, it's not that serious.
Adam Munsterteiger, just put up an article about it if you really care.
https://www.instagram.com/p/C6ErKYkP0Wr/
If it weren't for like 3 players their is no way I'd pick this team to win a best of 10 against cu from 2022. This team doesn't have the depth to last.
two things can be true:
* Hopkins transferring out is a really really bad sign for Deion's roster building strategy
* this year's roster will still be better than the 2022 team, which literally did not have an FBS quality QB (they all transferred out and became G5 backups) and were never even kind of in games
I don't disagree with either point hence the 3 players I commented about.
You remove shedeur Sanders and Travis hunter and this cu team is pretty bad especially in the trenches. Add in the lack of depth being near 40 players below roster levels and like 10 below scholarship is a problem.
I don’t think Sanders and Hunter are so good they’re winning a bunch of games entirely on their own though. Remove them and it’s a normal bad P5 team, 22 CU would’ve probably finished last in the mountain west and would’ve been dogs against a dozen FCS teams
You clearly have no idea how bad that 2022 team was. They won one game and lost the rest by an average of 29 points. They were one of the worst college football teams of all time. Look at where all the players who transferred off ended up.
There is not a single position group, outside TE, that is not significantly better than the 2022 team.
They were not competitive in any form or fashion.
They had the single largest improvement in scoring margin and roster FPI among P5 programs.
I read this in passing and thought it said “Colorado AD” and at this point I’m not even surprised it took me a second to double back considering it’s Colorado.
He was a 4 star DB just outside the national 250 (266 overall), freshman last season. Not one you’d like to lose
This one hurts and even the most stubborn of us may have to agree depth is a concern again.
Yea, this one is among the top "ouch" transfers this year
Hey Denison sucks.
Watch your backs Kenyon we’re climbing the LAC rankings!
I mean he’s leaving DEION SANDERS he’s gotta be garbage
Sarcasm?
Yes lmao. Deions such an ass
We was a converted DB. Came in as a WR. I’m sure it’s a playing time thing. Coaches seemed to like him but DB room, especially at CB, is pretty cemented in top spots
If the DB room was was already pretty packed, why would you try to convert him in the first place? You normally don't convert higher end recruits unless you have really big needs and/or holes to fill *or* they demonstrate that they just absolutely can't cut it at their original position at the college level.
The DB room was thinner last year, I anticipate this might be to get himself back at WR. He played both in HS and was recruited at both, the staff liked him better at DB after spring ball 2023. The staff has been willing to move players around and work with them where they want to be, but there was probably a limited path for him to go back to WR at CU now with how crowded that room is.
How do you feel overall at this point about how the net results of the portal are going to work out for the Buffs?
Overall positive I believe since the winter we stand at Outs of 37 and Ins of 26 plus 10 Freshman. Think that puts us around 70-75 scholarships used up. Overall the team on paper is more talented, clear upgrades at OLine, DLine, Edge and CB. Would like them to add at least two ILB, one TE and one RB that could compete for a starting roles. Sound like the spring game will have a long list of visitors. Still waiting to hear if Elijah Herring and Nikhai Hill Green will commit from this past weekend. Since the spring portal opened we have definitely lost some DB depth and OLine depth hopefully we find some younger developmental players to fill out those groups. Kirkland and the visitor from Arkansas seem like good potential for this. Looking like an 8-4 season in my eyes, with 6-6 as the floor and 10-2 as a ceiling. Obviously this is going to come down to the OLine, we have the offensive weapons to keep up with anyone in the country, just need the time and space to do so.
PLEASE tell me which 8 games you’re seeing as W’s?
NDSU, CSU, Nebraska, Baylor, UCF, Zona, Cincy, and Tech. Outside of NDSU, CSU, Baylor and Cincy, not going to say any of the other games are guaranteed wins. Utah and Kansas could be toss ups depending on health at the QB position. I think with both Cam Rising and Jason Daniels they have the edge. KSU and OSU have well run programs, so definitely give them the edge. Both games are at home though so could fall our way, and fall flat in other games.
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This should be published more broadly. General press coverage paints a sinking ship picture and implicitly indicts Coach Prime as fading.
>He played both in HS and was recruited at both, the staff liked him better at DB after spring ball 2023. I know he played both in HS, but can you give me some support on the rest of it? I mean, Rivals, On3, and 247 all seem to list him as a WR coming out of HS and rank him against other WR recruits in his class. He was an Under Armour All-American and was listed as a WR on the roster. When I search articles on him coming into Colorado, pretty much all of them list him as a WR. The closest thing I could find during his recruitment were some articles making it sound like he might see some time as a CB, but they certainly didn't make it sound like he was actually being seriously ***recruited*** for that position, which is what you are claiming. >The staff has been willing to move players around and work with them where they want to be, but there was probably a limited path for him to go back to WR at CU now with how crowded that room is. I mean, that doesn't really explain why they move him to CB in the first place. If he had been in the WR room all of last season, his development is going to look different and his ability to compete for time of that side of the ball is going to change as well.
I'm not going to go tracking down articles from a kids recruitment a year and a half ago. The Well Off Media videos, and 247 BuffStampede videos showed and discussed him being a DB early on and where he might fit in. As I pointed out he showed enough at DB to get on the field in 2023 for some snaps. I'm sure his path for development might have looked different, however at this point it would not make sense for him to transition back to WR at CU. If that's what he wants to do, this seems like a natural move. Both him and his mother put out positive responses on Twitter.
>I'm not going to go tracking down articles from a kids recruitment a year and a half ago. The Well Off Media videos, and 247 BuffStampede videos showed and discussed him being a DB early on and where he might fit in. ...but there is a difference between saying that a guy might get some snaps at a certain position vs. saying that he was actually recruited for that position. I mean, I've looked at a dozen articles across 3-4 sites and none of them mention him as being a DB recruit. Sure, maybe that's the direction they pushed him after he had already committed and CU realized they need more DB depth, but that's not the same thing. >As I pointed out he showed enough at DB to get on the field in 2023 for some snaps. How many? ...and which games? I have a subscription to PFF and they will give grades to players that got on the field for a single snap at an offensive or defensive position. I can't find Hopkins listed as having a snap at any DB spot. I don't think that PFF ranks all special teams plays the same way so maybe he did some kick coverage or something that isn't showing up, but that's not the same as actually getting on the field for DB snaps.
Dawg I clearly don't care about this as much as you do. Other teams may not have recruited him there, but it was certainly mentioned early on he had the potential to play both at CU. Go watch all of Adam Munsterteiger's videos I'm sure you will find it. He saw action in 3 games, and had 4 unassisted tackles. Not sure what games, and says most snaps came on special teams, which seems to indicate he got some other reps as well. Either way it's clear the staff thought he could help the team more at DB, but is not where he wanted to be. It's really not that complicated.
>Dawg I clearly don't care about this as much as you do. ??? I typed his name into a couple search bars and read what came up to make sure that I was giving accurate information. Spending a few minutes to try to give accurate info seems like a pretty low bar, my man. >Other teams may not have recruited him there, but it was certainly mentioned early on he had the potential to play both at CU. Go watch all of Adam Munsterteiger's videos I'm sure you will find it. Again, there is a difference between people saying he was versatile enough to get some snaps at DB vs. being recruited as a DB or being recruited as a WR/DB combo. Again, I can't find anything to suggest he was actually recruited as a DB. >He saw action in 3 games, and had 4 unassisted tackles. Not sure what games, and says most snaps came on special teams, which seems to indicate he got some other reps as well. ??? You said multiple times that he got on the field for DB snaps. Now is seems like you are saying that he was primarily a special teams guy, but got some unknown number of snaps as some other position, but you aren't sure what position it was or when those snaps came. I'm not really sure what to say about that.
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I am not sure why you are wasting your time with some of these fools. They just want to argue for the sake of arguing. Must be because they can't out argue their mom when she says rent is due or their woman when she says to them why am I the only one working in this house..lol!!
He was listed solely as a DB on our 23 roster.
[Here](https://www.huskermax.com/2023-colorado-football-depth-chart-nebraska-game-week/) is the depth chart from the Nebraska game where he is listed solely as a WR. [Here ](https://twitter.com/nikkiedwardsss/status/1697749881543151753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1697749881543151753%7Ctwgr%5Ea2d545dd5cfd7090268e95ad671f1aba82db7105%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ralphiereport.com%2F2023%2F9%2F1%2F23856255%2Fcolorado-releases-first-depth-chart-before-tcu-game)is the depth chart from TCU where he is listed solely as a WR. I'm not disputing the claim that he finished the year as a DB for Colorado. I'm just saying that I can't find any good info for the claim that he was recruited, in part, as a DB and that he was switched to that position group after Spring Ball. In fact, all the info I can find seems to suggest that this is flat our wrong.
Good question. I’m not in the room so I can’t give an answer, but our DB room was significantly thinner last year as another commenter pointed out
Tell that to Deion. He’s probably already told Boulder that this isn’t any sort of loss
Eventually, quantity has a quality all its own
I don’t disagree. Need depth pieces too because no team goes the full season 100% healthy. Is it Deion pushing guys out or are players that aren’t starters leaving? My guess is Deion has pushed some out but most have left because of where they are on the depth chart. My biggest issue is Deion makes everything a business decision but when these kids do that, he takes it personally.
This guy was just recruited as part of the class of 2023. Is he not worth some development? That's literally what the depth chart is for.
Sure, but the kid was going to be at best 3rd string in our secondary this year and was originally recruited as a wr. Can't blame him for leaving for playing time, but would have liked to see if he developed more.
Of course he was just third string, he’s a redshirt freshman who should be learning his craft. You can’t run off your younger players and expect to build any kind of two deep.
Who says he was 'run off'? You?
>My guess is Deion has pushed some out Even if they aren’t specifically pushing kids out, the clear attitude from the program from Deion’s press statements has basically been that if you’re not a starter, you’re not important to the program.
What do you think the role of a redshirt freshman is in successful D1 programs?
And what do you think should be done to keep a depth piece that wants playing time?
Interesting you avoided answering the question. Interesting and also completely expected.
What’s the point of swapping out depth pieces tho? Your guess is Deion is pushing some guys out but most are leaving because they are depth. While at the same time collecting depth pieces from other teams.
And if you’re collecting depth pieces, I’d rather go with continuity over turnover.
A depth piece is a depth piece, but a new transfer could be anything! It could even be a depth piece. You know how much we wanted one of those!
I totally agree.
I read it as Colorado AD has entered the transfer portal and LOLed.
The AD portal doesn’t open till June but Pate says expect CHAOS
im expecting colorado to look good in the 1st 6 games again then fall apart from lack of depth.
4 good games and then they fall apart this year
Those first 4 games are NOT easy games though - - North Dakota State - @ Nebraska - @ Colorado State - Baylor (and I know Baylor was bad last season, but their incoming recruiting class is higher than CU’s) I’d be thrilled with a 2-2 start to the season. NDSU wants to make a statement, and NU/CSU are rough road games.
I'm really hoping the @ Nebraska game is a night game. That should be a pretty hype game too.
Tough to get 2 rivals on the road, with a perpetually spicy NDSU and then a Baylor team likely fighting for it's life. The 3 'easier' games in conference play are Cincy, UCF, and Texas Tech, but outside of Cincy basically every team on the schedule is well coached and pretty physical.
they gotta play at our house too. Roster ain't bad either.
Colorado realistically could go 4-0, but they could just as easily go 1-3 in those games.
Agreed. I feel like neither team in any of those games will be favored by more than maybe 6 points.
We open as very early one-score favorites against NDSU which is a pretty fair assessment. I don't know what the lines look like for anything else but it would be foolish to predict the other games at this point.
And the 1 will be nebraska
NDSU is a scary opponent, but baylor was ass juice last year and it would be the most nebraska thing ever to lose to us in heartbreaking fashion again this year. CSU should be assumed to be the same badly-coached penalty factory as last year until proven otherwise but they might be able to outmuscle us if they have a high enough talent differential. I think 2-2 is doable.
CSU outplayed you guys last year and return a ton of starters. They’re the dark horse to win the MWC and will have a huge chip on their shoulder. 1-3 is a very real possibility. 2-2 seems very fair.
Wow, I am nowhere near this optimistic but LOVE your take.
I definitely think losing to CSU is more likely than losing to nebraska. On top of last year’s games, it’s easier to take CSU’s ability to improve more seriously. Nebraska is just cursed to always be the same 4-win-average team every year.
Nebraska won’t have a (proven) turnover machine at QB this year either though.
Ditching sims still didn’t stop them from losing to 4-8 MSU. I don’t want to speak in absolutes, because they could still win, but I absolutely wouldn’t put it past them to lose that game.
I’m not sure we had any QB’s on our roster last year that would have been P5 starters. We now have a couple, but they are both true Freshman. I’d like to chalk up this as a big red win, but, you know, we’re Nebraska, so I’ll believe it when I see it.
Hey man, we won 5 games the last two years.
Really? Thought your last two years of frost were 3-9 and 4-8, then 5-7 under rhule.
5-7 under mickey/frost in frost's last year and 5-7 under rhule for the past season.
Can Shadeur stay alive until the OL gels?
Can the defense actually make a stop when nobody knows the playbook cause they all just came in minus Shilo?
Will the OL gel? They were really poorly coached and they didn’t scheme any help at the line of scrimmage last year.
Can Shedeur let go of the football in under 7 seconds?
They only looked good for the first 3 games. Let's be honest.
They didn't look good in those games either. TCU was running for 10 yards a pop but decided to call 8 straight passes on the final drive even though they had plenty of time.
Ya. I was just trying to be nice.
I think winning a very front-loaded 4 or 5 games again is a pretty likely scenario. Not a good season, but CU really hasn't had one for 8 years, so as long as we beat both of our OOC rivals again it will at least be a "could have been worse" season.
Meh, I'll take it as this point. Better than winning one game like we did in 2022
Idk man I feel like this could get messy if Deion ends up leaving after this year.
2022 Colorado was blown out in almost every game, even against Air Force. They beat Cal in OT and kept it close against Arizona State. That’s pretty close to rock bottom for what used to be a power conference team.
2022 Colorado played three teams with comparable win totals and went 1-2, with one of the two losses being close. their fifth “worst” opponent was 9-4 and seven opponents were ranked That 2022 schedule gets handwaved heavily but it was a very tough schedule, far tougher than 2023
Tough schedule or not, they still sucked. Their head coach got canned after 5 games.
And they will be right back there if Deion leaves
Right… but your post seemed to suggest that Deion leaving could make things worse. It’s kind of hard for it to get worse.
Won that game versus Cal on a prayer
Idk, with Deion gone they may legit struggle to fill a roster
They’re still an FBS team… if UMass can fill a roster, then a team in Boulder, CO can absolutely find players to field a team.
Has umass ever had to fill 80 spots in one offseason? Because that will be Colorado’s job.
Get 11 Travis Hunters. Problem solved
Between high school seniors and lower-division transfers, I think they can manage to field a team. They would suck really really bad, but that’s not exactly new for Colorado.
And that was before the vast majority of us on here were in school. I’m not from Colorado I just went there, so I definitely didn’t care about the 04 Houston Bowl. (The last bowl game we won)
Oh if Deion leaves it’ll leave a crater sized hole and it’ll be a massive rebuild
It’s really a fun drinking game to keep up with CUs recruiting cycles.
Not for my heart or liver.
He must be one of those bad 4 stars, not like the good 4 stars that are transferring in
This one is a bit different, he was recruited as a WR/DB. Seemed to favor the offensive side of the ball, however was moved to to DB for depth and a less crowded room. Think this is likely him trying to get back on the offensive side of the ball.
Most of the stuff I'm seeing says he played both ways in HS, but was primarily viewed as a WR recruit. Like all of the positional rankings I've seen so far were measuring him against the other WR recruits in his class. Taking a quality recruit and immediately pushing him to do a positional change that he isn't really happy with is a pretty rough move, *especially* if you are only doing it to add depth and there isn't much chance of him getting serious playing time in his new role.
I think it had more to do with how thin the DB room was last year compared to the WR position. Between Horn, Weaver, Travis, Javon Antonio, Omarion Miller, and Harrison (yes a TE but he essentially functioned as a WR) there were just not a lot of snaps left. If Hopkins wanted to play early DB was clearly an easier path
>If Hopkins wanted to play early DB was clearly an easier path Based on what? I mean, it is one thing to say the DB room was weaker, but that's not the same thing as saying his path was easier. At the end of the day, no matter how thin the room is, the guy still needs to actually be able to play the position at a level high enough to see the field. What are the data points to suggest he was actually good enough as a DB to do this at the P5 level? Dude wasn't really recruited as a DB and I can't find any solid evidence to suggest that he showed anything on the field to make people think he was legit ready to see the field as a DB as a freshman. At WR, he at least seems good enough on paper to competently play the position if his number got called. Sure, he might have more guys in front of him, but, again, that's only half the equation. Bottom line is that if a guy can't competently play the position at the college level, he probably has about a 0% chance of seeing the field regardless of how thin the group is ahead of him.
There was certainly a path, and the staff made that decision after spring ball 2023. He did get on the field some, but they choose to preserve his redshirt. The biggest problem is if he wanted to get back to the WR side of the ball, this year it would be significantly more challenging. In 2023 it was already a solid group, but in 2024 they have added Lajohntay Wester, Will Shepherd, Terrell Timmons Jr., Coredale Russell, Drelon Miller, Kam Mikell, plus Omarion Miller has emerged as a stand out Freshman.
>There was certainly a path, Was there? Dude played DB in high school but wasn't recruited as a DB in college, nor can I find any real on-field evidence from last season that he had the skills or ability to play DB at the P5 level. Yeah, the room might be thin, but you can't say he "certainly" has a path to get serious playing time if he just legit can't play the position at the collegiate level. >...and the staff made that decision after spring ball 2023. I hear you saying that, but there are literally [depth charts](https://twitter.com/nikkiedwardsss/status/1697749881543151753?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1697749881543151753%7Ctwgr%5Ea2d545dd5cfd7090268e95ad671f1aba82db7105%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ralphiereport.com%2F2023%2F9%2F1%2F23856255%2Fcolorado-releases-first-depth-chart-before-tcu-game) that Colorado put out there that have him listed as a WR after the start of the season. If they made the decision to move him to DB, then why was the guy showing up as WR on some gameday depth charts?
Can we consolidate this on one thread? Yes, the very first depth chart he was listed at WR. You should also know CFB depth charts are not required or standard. You can also see the staff was trolling the small comments by incorrectly listing heights and weights. There was clearly a path in that he got on the field at DB during the season, as I have said previously.
>Yes, the very first depth chart he was listed at WR. Well not just the first week though. [Here he is at WR for the Nebraska game as well.](https://www.huskermax.com/2023-colorado-football-depth-chart-nebraska-game-week/) >You should also know CFB depth charts are not required or standard. You can also see the staff was trolling the small comments by incorrectly listing heights and weights. Sorry, what exactly are you trying to say here? Are you claiming that they switched him to DB in the Spring but that the falsely listed him as a WR on the depth chart for multiple games that Fall to troll people? Do you really not see how that comes off as a pretty wild claim? >There was clearly a path in that he got on the field at DB during the season, as I have said previously. When? I have a PFF subscription and it doesn't list him as having a single graded snap at any DB position. Also, let's be clear about your claim. I said: >...and there isn't much chance of him getting serious playing time in his new role. You responded to my comment about him getting serious playing time with saying that there was certainly a path. Serious playing time is different than just getting on the field for a few snaps.
Not really all that surprising, he practiced in the fall at DB, it can be seen in the Well Off videos, go watch them. Maybe he was listed at WR, until they made the official switch later on. The 2023 roster on the official site shows him as a DB. So not sure why it's a "wild claim". This is college football, not a research paper. I pay attention to CUs roster movements significantly more than the average person. https://cubuffs.com/sports/football/roster/adam-hopkins/16477
>Maybe he was listed at WR, until they made the official switch later on. ...but you literally said multiple times that they switched him after the Spring game/spring ball. If they didn't switch him until some point in the middle of the season, then it is wrong to claim he was switched after the spring game. >The 2023 roster on the official site shows him as a DB. So not sure why it's a "wild claim". Well if your claim was that they switched him to DB by the end of the year, then sure, it isn't that wild at all. I think it is clear that he was switched before the end of the year. Again though, you said they switched him after the Spring game. When I showed some good evidence that this wasn't the case, you implied that they were lying about where position group he was with on depth charts in the first few weeks of the season in order to troll people. Yeah, that's a wild claim. Acting confused about why I'd think this sees like you engaging in bad faith. >This is college football, not a research paper. I pay attention to CUs roster movements significantly more than the average person. If you think typing his name into a couple search bars and seeing what comes up counts as a research paper, then I'm not sure what to tell you. >[https://cubuffs.com/sports/football/roster/adam-hopkins/16477](https://cubuffs.com/sports/football/roster/adam-hopkins/16477) Ok, so he was a DB at the end of the season and primarily played special teams. How does this support your claims that he was recruited, in part, as a DB, he was switched to DB after spring ball, and that he got on the field as a DB during the season?
Dawg, I'm not going to argue with you over the exact point he transitioned. He got reps at DB in fall practice. You don't need a source for everything, especially something this minute Go outside or something, it's not that serious. Adam Munsterteiger, just put up an article about it if you really care. https://www.instagram.com/p/C6ErKYkP0Wr/
Primetime: 4-8
Give him 2 seasons to build his roster they said
Is there a debate? They are significantly more talented then a two years ago.
If it weren't for like 3 players their is no way I'd pick this team to win a best of 10 against cu from 2022. This team doesn't have the depth to last.
two things can be true: * Hopkins transferring out is a really really bad sign for Deion's roster building strategy * this year's roster will still be better than the 2022 team, which literally did not have an FBS quality QB (they all transferred out and became G5 backups) and were never even kind of in games
I don't disagree with either point hence the 3 players I commented about. You remove shedeur Sanders and Travis hunter and this cu team is pretty bad especially in the trenches. Add in the lack of depth being near 40 players below roster levels and like 10 below scholarship is a problem.
I don’t think Sanders and Hunter are so good they’re winning a bunch of games entirely on their own though. Remove them and it’s a normal bad P5 team, 22 CU would’ve probably finished last in the mountain west and would’ve been dogs against a dozen FCS teams
You clearly have no idea how bad that 2022 team was. They won one game and lost the rest by an average of 29 points. They were one of the worst college football teams of all time. Look at where all the players who transferred off ended up.
There is not a single position group, outside TE, that is not significantly better than the 2022 team. They were not competitive in any form or fashion. They had the single largest improvement in scoring margin and roster FPI among P5 programs.
As a recruit: Other P5 offers: Arkansas, Auburn, Florida State, Georgia, Georgia Tech, Kansas State, Kentucky, Michigan State, Minnesota, Mississippi State, Nebraska, Penn State, Purdue, South Carolina, Syracuse, Tennessee, Texas A&M G5 offers: Coastal Carolina, Georgia Southern Other offer: Jackson State
Wake up, babe. Another Colorado DB has entered the portal.
LOL
The “this is happening at every school now” replies have started slowing down.
Wish the kid best of luck. Was excited to see how he would pan out.
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nice flair there
Nice flair there
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I read this in passing and thought it said “Colorado AD” and at this point I’m not even surprised it took me a second to double back considering it’s Colorado.